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DYK update frequency change
Hello all, there's been some back and forth at Wikipedia talk:Did you know however no results were achieved/consensus. I was wondering if we might be able to reach something here or if not if we could direct a vote (if needed) somewhere else.
If you could see the did you know nominations page, there's a large amount of approved hooks in the holding area. We agree that the solution would be to increase the DYK update frequency. Perhaps instead of twice a month we could go back to updating once a week.
Not sure if we could get the ball rolling here since at Wikipedia talk:Did you know there hasn't been much activity/updates about this.
I'd be in favor of updating DYK's once a week/every ten days so that we could knock out some hooks from the holding area. Thoughts? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support I agree, at least till the time we have a lot of accepted nominations -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 00:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support We have way too many hooks in the waiting area. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Support Every week is a good idea. Kk.urban (talk) 16:21, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Ayesha46:, @QuicoleJR:, @Kk.urban: & @Eptalon: Looking at it, there might be some problems in terms as who will be dedicated in updating the DYKs with a week's frequency. Another alternative soluation that I've found might be to increase the number of hooks per queue. At English Wikipedia, each queue has around 8-9 hooks. Our queues currently holds five hooks. This might be another good alternative possibly if no one's willing to update DYK every week. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- At this point, we have a huge number of hooks in the holding area and our queues are full. We could get around 35 weeks of DYK with the holding area and queues combined, which would last us up until the end of the year. We just need to keep in mind that the queues should have a variety of topics, especially now we have plenty of hooks to choose from! TDKR Chicago 101, it might last even longer if we go for 5 hooks per queue instead of 6, honestly I don't think it makes a huge difference but I think it is better for the hooks to last for as long as possible rather than potentially not updating for months once we have burnt through all these hooks. --Ferien (talk) 14:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2024: We are back! change
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Hello, dear Wikipedians!
Wikimedia Ukraine, in cooperation with the MFA of Ukraine and Ukrainian Institute, has launched the forth edition of writing challenge "Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month", which lasts from 1st until 31st March 2024. The campaign is dedicated to famous Ukrainian artists of cinema, music, literature, architecture, design and cultural phenomena of Ukraine that are now part of world heritage. We accept contribution in every language! The most active contesters will receive prizes.
We invite you to take part and help us improve the coverage of Ukrainian culture on Wikipedia in your language! Also, we plan to set up a banner to notify users of the possibility to participate in such a challenge! ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk)
Dumping ground: Paintings change
Non-notable painting, but notable artist.--Please find 12 thousand votes, uh, whatever is needed to redirect this painting, to the article about the painter.--Is wikipedia now out of the woods, in regard to being spammed in regard to many articles about non-notable paintings (or have i missed spamming campaigns)? --Please also show some mercy to those that are manning the pumps, at Article-for-Delete.--I will be busy fixing other articles. 2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E (talk) 22:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Another Non-notable painting, but same notable artist as above. 2001:2020:349:9B65:55CF:4AFD:182E:9216 (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- You can do one of two things, get the requests for deletion process underway, or be bold and redirect these pages back to artist in question. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, user:Lee Vilenski. Now, i have cut off two of the heads of (what looks like a "Painting-market and Real-estate-market Hydra". 2001:2020:345:9B4D:1550:5AE4:205D:9C5F (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just as a quick reminder, not all paintings are non-notable, where they wouldn't be suitable for redirects. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, user:Lee Vilenski. Now, i have cut off two of the heads of (what looks like a "Painting-market and Real-estate-market Hydra". 2001:2020:345:9B4D:1550:5AE4:205D:9C5F (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- You can do one of two things, get the requests for deletion process underway, or be bold and redirect these pages back to artist in question. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Another Non-notable painting, but same notable artist as above. 2001:2020:4331:DBF2:3893:92CA:47E3:E16B (talk) 19:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- "My" redirect, was reverted. (See Fall by lake with sculpture (Garau): Revision history.)--Anyone who nominates this to AfD, has my support.--One pattern with many (all?) of these articles are, is that there is no interwiki to English, German.--Meanwhile, i will fix some non-painting articles. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:422:85F:34CE:2AEE (talk) 21:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted your redirect as it is not needed. The painting is by a notable editor; therefore, it can have its own article and is in the categories as required. To redirect every possible piece of art because an editor deems it non-notable for whatever reason is basically erasing its history. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I reverted your redirect as it is not needed. The painting is by a notable editor; therefore, it can have its own article and is in the categories as required. To redirect every possible piece of art because an editor deems it non-notable for whatever reason is basically erasing its history. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Link, simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fall_by_lake_with_sculpture_(Garau)&action=history. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:422:85F:34CE:2AEE (talk) 21:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E
- IP editor, on what grounds are you using that paintings are not notable and should be redirected to the artist instead (or even to RfD)? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- On what grounds does user:PDL think that the wiki-article states notability, and demonstrates notability?
The painting exists, and so what.
If user:PDL thinks that the painting is notable, then s/he should consider asking anyone (except me), to insert the Simple-English article at English-wiki.--If my post contradicts the intentions of the project that Jimbo Wales' started, then let me know.
(However, Jimbo Wales did not start the "Yellow Pages for any painting that has been mentioned, on one page, in a book or two, by non-notable authors".)--Please also show some mercy to those that are manning the pumps, at Article-for-Delete. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:6545:D815:ECAB:E065 (talk) 02:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E- Ok, you seem to have a misunderstanding of what notability means. It doesn't mean that the article shows notability (although including all sourcing helps). We just require that there is enough third-party reliable sources that talk in depth about the subject. Whilst I'm not sure that all paintings meet the criteria, redirecting paintings as a whole as non-notable isn't really suitable.
- Whilst the English Wikipedia has a really good editor base, it doesn't mean that something that is notable has to exist there for it to exist on simple. Even if Enwiki had a consensus that all paintings were defacto non-notable, that wouldn't pass through to here.
- My suggestion would be one of two things - either make a list of articles that you think aren't suitable, and post them somewhere for a discussion (as we have started this thread, it seems suitable here). We can then get a discussion going and confirm if we think as a group that all/any/none of those articles are notable.
- The other thing you can do, now that someone has reverted your redirect is to take that article to AfD for that same discussion I just mentioned. The issue with simply redirecting non-notable isn't so much of a problem with one article, but when you do many it's difficult to catch up and get a consensus afterwards. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- On what grounds does user:PDL think that the wiki-article states notability, and demonstrates notability?
- Fa... b... (G...) (link to article that says NOTHING about notability. (Being in an art-collection, means little. However, being on permanent display at the Louvre or (permanent display at) Germany's national museum: those articles stand a fair chance of not being Deleted, for whatever reason. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:6545:D815:ECAB:E065 (talk) 02:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am only responding to the last and only that comment:
The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.
per w:Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals. Nowhere does it state that it only has to be on a permanent display as the only criteria. And since you made the statement you just made, you answered my previous question that you evaded by your run on turning it on me. That was all I needed to know. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 02:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- I am only responding to the last and only that comment:
Please quote (and link) to w:Wikipedia:Paintings, or something relevant.--I have made no attempt at discussing the notability of Painters (so for now, I have no plan to dig into En-wiki's guidelines about Painters).--If Simple-wiki wants to become a Dumping Ground Articles about individual (non-notable) Paintings, then that is a fair enough position. However, En-wiki is no such thing.--Wiki-lawyering and such, is one thing. But the proof is in the Delete-discussions, so to speak.--See ya there, when anyone starts any Delte-discussion.--Meanwhile I will be busy working on other articles.--Good luck! 2001:2020:333:B233:905E:248F:C4EA:DD11 (talk) 19:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E
- IP Editor - Please look at the link in the reply right above that covers creative artists. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Please be aware if the following is going on: Articles about (individual) Italian paintings, being created: Article not being created in Italian language, only French and/or Spanish language.--In that case "Suspicious Minds" (Elvis song), might become the song of the hour. 2001:2020:319:CE6F:2408:3F6E:33D8:7A7B (talk) 05:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E
- An article existing on other Wikipedias has little bearing to whether or not it should exist here. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Your wiki will be in read-only soon change
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- Did it work here? I don't think that it went read-only here.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- I did notice that there was a read-only period for less than an hour when the servers were being switched. I tried publishing an edit but I got the message that I couldn't publish since the Wiki was Read-Only. 84Swagahh (talk) 14:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, I didn't notice any problems at all when the switchover occured.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 13:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I did notice that there was a read-only period for less than an hour when the servers were being switched. I tried publishing an edit but I got the message that I couldn't publish since the Wiki was Read-Only. 84Swagahh (talk) 14:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Removing user rights change
Should this Wiki remove special user rights (example: Rollback) from inactive users? I know we do this for administrators, but is there something like this for other special permissions? SI (talk) 18:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Rather than remove them from inactive users, maybe we should remove them from indeffed users. Inactive users haven't done anything to show that they can't be trusted, but blocked and banned users have. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Auntof6 I disagree with you on this. I’m thinking of w:WP:INDEFRIGHTS where if the editor is not site banned or did not misuse their rights, then the right(s) stay in place and they do not need to go through another RfP. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 22:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- The reason for high tier user rights being removed for inactivity is security. Items such as rollback isn't close to dangerous enough to remove from all accounts on an activity basis. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- We don't remove rollback because its not a security concern with that flag. Has been discussed in the past a few times I think and there really just isn't a good reason to remove them. -Djsasso (talk) 18:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, I see no benefit to this. Apart from the amount of work it would take I see no reason to do it. Removing rights from banned or blocked users is fine however. If they score an unblock they should have to apply for RB again.fr33kman 18:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Tomato sauce article change
I feel like tomato sauce should be a standalone article rather than a disambiguation page. What do you guys think? We can then put a redirect to Ketchup in the hatnote. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 18:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure we'd want an additional article for tomato sauce if ketchup already exists. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Tomato sauce and ketchup are two different things though. They both are tomato-based, yes, but they are made with different ingredients. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at what we have, it's ocmpletely off the track:
- Tomato sauce is made from tomatoes, and is the base for many sauces in the Italian and other cuisines. It is not pasta sauce, and it isn't limited to Italian cuisine
- Ketchup is a spcial condiment, which likely also exists in two or three versions.
- So, how should we clear this up? Eptalon (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Replaced it with a three-sentence stub, to be extended. Also, I leave cleaning up intwewiki stuff to others. Eptalon (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I was busy, but thank you. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say split tomato sauce and ketchup, although modern ketchup is just tomatoes and sugar, it can be a variety of edible foods, like fish, and mushrooms. RiggedMint 15:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Replaced it with a three-sentence stub, to be extended. Also, I leave cleaning up intwewiki stuff to others. Eptalon (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at what we have, it's ocmpletely off the track:
- Tomato sauce and ketchup are two different things though. They both are tomato-based, yes, but they are made with different ingredients. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
New change update change
Hi all, just wanted to post one of the items from the tech changes that applies to everyone. The rest are admin and bot related for those users who use them or are them.
- The notice "Language links are at the top of the page" that appears in the Vector 2022 skin main menu has been removed now that users have learned the new location of the Language switcher.
Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 05:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Getting an article to GA status change
Hello.
I've come to ask about the quality of this article and what still needs to be done as an editor improved it and came recently to the talk page of the Video Games Wikiproject to ask for help getting it to GA status, and I figured I'd field opinions on it. It'd be nice to get it there soon. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- The biggest issue may be that there's a lot of redlinks. Whilst the WP:GA criteria doesn't specify that all links have to be blue, there is a requirement for most links to not be red. In terms of sourcing and content it's good, but may need some additional clipping in terms of sentence structure. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- As the editor he mentioned, thank you for the suggestions. Seems like MourningRainfall has fixed most of the redlinks already. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most links are not red (as of today).--I am guessing that the ratio blue:red, is c. 3:1.--That issue seems (as of today), taken care of. 2001:2020:317:BD8D:D839:E120:3200:9764 (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Can somebody please revdel the high offensive MR term from the Generation Alpha Page's history? change
Is there anybody on Simple English Wikipedia whoever can take off the MR disability term in the history of that page, please? It's too far offensive for me to want to go through the page history looking at that terminology in the Generation Alpha page here. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 19:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- (non admin comment) The offending edit appears to be here and on another article here, Not a nice word I agree but imho not enough to revdel but others may disagree and revdel –Davey2010Talk 20:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Removed, the intention was to cause offense and be disruptive.Peterdownunder (talk) 20:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
City, state in infoboxes change
In your opinion, should infoboxes for US cities include the name of the state in their header? (For example, should the infobox for Tampa, Florida have just "Tampa", or "Tampa, Florida" for its header?). I know they are usually copied from enwiki, so it's not that important for simplewiki to have its own preference, but if someone is updating the infobox, which do you think is better. Enwiki has suggestions but doesn't really follow them. Kk.urban (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Kk.urban They should have the state. Some states have the same cities. Scranton, PA and Scranton, OH; San Diego, CA and San Diego, TX. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 05:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and that's because many names were taken from Britain, where they are still used (well, not the Spanish names!) Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yep for the reasons already stated as well as there not really being any reasons I can think of not to. -Djsasso (talk) 18:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Totally was thinking you meant page name as opposed to header on infobox for some reason. In the infobox they probably aren't as necessary because we aren't disambiguating in the infobox, but I might do it for smaller places that need to be disambiguated but not for big places that are clear what they are for example "Los Angeles". I just use what en.wiki uses since we tend to just bring over the infoboxes from there and having a difference in this case just adds complexity that isn't needed. -Djsasso (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Djsasso It still should have it in there because we pull wikidata from it so it helps to have the extra name in it as I look at the page and the infobox to make sure they are the same and contain the correct information for that specific city/town. Would we want the wrong data for a town that has a population of 200 vs. 450,000 (extravagant difference but being used as an example)? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Totally was thinking you meant page name as opposed to header on infobox for some reason. In the infobox they probably aren't as necessary because we aren't disambiguating in the infobox, but I might do it for smaller places that need to be disambiguated but not for big places that are clear what they are for example "Los Angeles". I just use what en.wiki uses since we tend to just bring over the infoboxes from there and having a difference in this case just adds complexity that isn't needed. -Djsasso (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
A community proposal change
I have come up with a project that not only affects simple, but will encourage us as a volunteer team to help clear up a major back log of articles. If interested in this project, please visit my project proposal page and help form this amazing and fun team. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 05:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nice initiative 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
- - 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 13:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- is it like wikiproject references? MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk) 19:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure but they may be referring to Wikipedia:Big Weekend which used to happen once in awhile. -Djsasso (talk) 14:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- PotsdamLamb seems to be retired now (see his userpage). Should we move this to another account? SI (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's the most advisable option.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 13:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Or how about not moving stuff from my personal space. @Djsasso This is to happen continuously, though not just on weekends. For everyone else, please post on the proposal page, not here. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- How are you defining "the backlog"? Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Darkfrog24 It will be based on the categories. We have a lot that show as “back log” based on how that category is set. For example All BLPs needing sources which is a parent of of All BLPs needing more sources, lacking sources, no sources. More than likely start with the BLPs no sources to eliminate that by putting at least one source on the article and then work our way up. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure BLP would be a good place to start. Biographies of living people require extra skill that I've not seen required for other types of articles. I've been wikiwriting for many years, and I don't know how to BLP. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Darkfrog24 Just using it as an example to answer your question. On the project page is where we propose what to work on. This was meant as the announcement section :) Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 02:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure BLP would be a good place to start. Biographies of living people require extra skill that I've not seen required for other types of articles. I've been wikiwriting for many years, and I don't know how to BLP. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Darkfrog24 It will be based on the categories. We have a lot that show as “back log” based on how that category is set. For example All BLPs needing sources which is a parent of of All BLPs needing more sources, lacking sources, no sources. More than likely start with the BLPs no sources to eliminate that by putting at least one source on the article and then work our way up. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- How are you defining "the backlog"? Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Or how about not moving stuff from my personal space. @Djsasso This is to happen continuously, though not just on weekends. For everyone else, please post on the proposal page, not here. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's the most advisable option.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 13:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Importer change
Is there a way to request something to be imported without going through the Requests for Importer process?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just ask an admin to import it. (which for most people is the prefered method) Do you need something brought over? -Djsasso (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, probably should've guessed that. And yes, I could use something being brought over.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to let me know what it is. -Djsasso (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- nevermind, I didn't do enough research :|.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- @FusionSub I can also help with this. Just leave me a note on my tp and I can bring it over. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- nevermind, I didn't do enough research :|.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to let me know what it is. -Djsasso (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, probably should've guessed that. And yes, I could use something being brought over.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Timestamp tool change
Hi, Does anyone know what tool the clickable timestamp is ?, I can click timestamps which copies the url to my clipboard and changes the url to for instance Wikipedia:Simple_talk#c-FusionSub-20240322141400-Importer however the timestamp is grey and I hate it,
I dont appear to have this feature enabled on EN as the timestamps are black/unclickable so I have no idea what this tool is ?, Nothing's ticked in beta features and as far as I know CSS stuff's fine?, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 14:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think its a beta feature, I believe this is the current version we are on here now. Likely en opted out of the change knowing them or it just hasn't happened there yet, rollouts tend to go to smaller wikis first. But I will take a look. -Djsasso (talk) 14:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Djsasso, Oh ..... okay .... What does grey do that black doesn't though? (sorry wasn't asking you I'm just confused with the point of it lol), I've checked WP/T and TECHNEWS and nothing seems to come up so I'll ask at EN on the offchance they might know, Thanks for your help it's greatly appreciated, Many Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 15:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've gone to Spain Wiki and the timestamps are the exact same there too so you're right this is some sort of roll out/update, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 15:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I believe when you click it and get that link if someone else opens that link it highlights the comment that the link is from. -Djsasso (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh so it does, It's clever and I'm impressed .... just a shame it's not black lol, –Davey2010Talk 16:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, if it was black it would certainly make legibility better for people that may be having problems reading it currently.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh so it does, It's clever and I'm impressed .... just a shame it's not black lol, –Davey2010Talk 16:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I believe when you click it and get that link if someone else opens that link it highlights the comment that the link is from. -Djsasso (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- (It was reported on m:Tech/News/2024/05.) LightNightLights (talk) 16:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah okay thanks for that, Interesting, –Davey2010Talk 17:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've gone to Spain Wiki and the timestamps are the exact same there too so you're right this is some sort of roll out/update, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 15:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Djsasso, Oh ..... okay .... What does grey do that black doesn't though? (sorry wasn't asking you I'm just confused with the point of it lol), I've checked WP/T and TECHNEWS and nothing seems to come up so I'll ask at EN on the offchance they might know, Thanks for your help it's greatly appreciated, Many Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 15:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Is this draft good? change
I have been working on a draft here User:Immanuelle/Kasuga-taisha can someone give me feedback on it? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 22:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle I will be happy to take a look and see what you have. Give me a few minutes and I will post on your talk page my thoughts. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 22:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
AI generated images change
HI! Just wondering how we are going to deal with AI generated images being used on pages. One example of it is what I saw on Loyalakpa, and I just wanted to know what the wider community thinks about it.--BRP ever 12:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- That's a problem for commons, as we don't allow image uploads. Note also: detecting that an image is AI generated can be very difficult. Eptalon (talk) 12:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- The only reason we would ever really care here is if we allow image uploads, which is certainly not happening anytime soon.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 12:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Eptalon, @FusionSub, I am talking about using the images. Artificial images that aren't real might not substantially represent the topic, and similar issue. And there is the problem of genuinity. BRP ever 15:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion, an AI image should probably be avoided if possible.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- to be clear: if the image serves to illustrate what it should, I don't see a problem of using an ai generated image. Ideally we should mention it is AI generated. Modern cameras and smartphones already have technologies that enhance an image, 'AI' is just another set of such technologies. Eptalon (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify my stance: I believe if there is a non-AI image that serves the exact same purpose as an AI image, the non-AI image should take priority, but AI images can be used if it represents the subject well and there isn't any non-AI version. I also agree with Eptalon that, in cases where AI generated images are used, it should be clearly stated that it was either generated by AI or digitally modified by an AI.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 17:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think anything AI should be avoided. It’s taking parts of images and putting them together and no clue if any of it is copyrighted or not. As the AI will generate its own description and info about it and not give attribution. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 04:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion, an AI image should probably be avoided if possible.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Eptalon, @FusionSub, I am talking about using the images. Artificial images that aren't real might not substantially represent the topic, and similar issue. And there is the problem of genuinity. BRP ever 15:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Page Request change
Hi! Would someone be willing to help us create a Wikipedia page for our client screenwriter/playwright Jonathan Abrams? He wrote the book for "The Heart of Rock and Roll" that is about to open on Broadway, and he wrote the screenplay for the upcoming Clint Eastwood film "Juror No. 2." Here is his IMDb Pro page: https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm3524942/credits Rubyzinner (talk) 13:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- this may not be notable enough, if it is, though, I think we can. (see WP:GNG) simpleist (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly I would decline this. He doesn’t meet any notability requirements and having some ask the community to create a page for their client means they want us to do the work so they can get paid. @Simpleist Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I promise we would not benefit from this haha! He is an independent artist and writer - his new film involves Clint Eastwood and he wrote a show that is opening on Broadway. He is mentioned on multiple wiki pages but there is no link to an outside page for him. Would love your help beginning a basic page for him. Not trying to take advantage at all haha - just not my area of expertise and figured maybe someone who enjoyed this could offer a helping hand. No need to be rude!! Rubyzinner (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done as a non-starter, no evidence of any notability, Please read WP:Notability and WP:GNG, Thanks –Davey2010Talk 20:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-13 change
Hi All! Especially admins and those who use the vector skin. @Admins - They are making changes to how things work and provided a checklist for admins to do before the change hits us in April.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- An update was made on March 18th 2024 to how various projects load site, user JavaScript and CSS in Vector 2022 skin. A checklist is provided for site admins to follow.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 March. It will be on all wikis from 28 March (calendar). [1][2]
TheChineseEmbassyLondon change
Vandalism only account. BigKrow (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @BigKrow You want to report this to WP:VIP. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 03:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Account is globally locked. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 03:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Personal Sandbox change
On enwiki as well as other wikis similar to its size, there is a feature called the "personal sandbox" located at the top right. I get that you're able to manually create one, but it would be helpful to newbies as well as people who use simplewiki exclusively to have one. Is there a way an admin can enable such feature? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LOLHWAT (talk • contribs) 15:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- LOLHWAT, hi there. In the past, a proposal was proposed for this but was rejected as the good impact could easily be outweighed by spam. --Ferien (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- In case I've missed a message, do we stop someone creating say User:Lee Vilenski/sandbox, or the like? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Lee Vilenski No. you can create it and other subpages under your name Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 15:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Lee Vilenski, no, creating sandboxes is still acceptable and encouraged, to be honest, just it's probably best for the link not to be enabled. It was last discussed on Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 140#Sandbox link / m:Requests for comment/Enable sandbox for all Wikipedias, the reasons are more detailed (and probably better explained) there. --Ferien (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Makes perfect sense. Just wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand as I know there's no draftspace. I don't have any specific feelings on generating a link to creating a user sandbox. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- In case I've missed a message, do we stop someone creating say User:Lee Vilenski/sandbox, or the like? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Naming this Wiki change
Hi there, there seems to be no consensus on whether to refer to this wiki as "Simple English Wikipedia," "Simple," or "Simple English." This page seems to name it as 'simple,' however, enwiki simply calls themselves "Wikipedia" and had discouraged calling it "Wiki," since at least the 2000s. What should be done for SW, especially since we have many, many similarities? Thanks, LOLHWAT (talk) 16:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- i believe all three names may be used, but Simple English Wikipedia seems pretty good. four-wicket running back body (talk) 19:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- People refer to projects by different names, For instance I call the English Wikipedia "EN" and Simple "Simple Wikipedia". Officially it's called Simple English Wikipedia and includes this when you hover over any Simple Wikipedia tab on Chrome, –Davey2010Talk 19:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- En.wikipedia doesn't call itself Wikipedia, it is the "English Language Wikipedia". It is the general public that simplifies it. Wikipedia is the term used for all the different language Wikipedias. We don't use "Wiki" as a term much, because it has a specific meaning. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Official name: "Simple English Wikipedia." Nicknames: "SEWP," "Simple," "Simplewiki," "simple.wikipedia." We're good. Wear an outfit of due formality to the situation; use a name of due formality to the situation. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I prefer the name "Simple English Wikipedia" than just "Simple Wikipedia". When I read the name "Simple English Wikipedia", I know this is wikipedia where the article is written in simple English. When I read the name "simple wikipedia", I don't know what is "simple" here. In Vietnamese, we refer to the Vietnamese Wikipedia simply as "Wikipedia", and the English Wikipedia as "English Wikipedia" in full. Therefore, I believe ‘Simple English Wikipedia’ should be the preferred term. Hanoifun (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oooh, good point. I don't think we need a rule about it, but yes. Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
I am wondering if this should be redirected to, perhaps, London? I’m not familiar with it but no other article exists for this and the wikidata entry is just the article name and linked to simple. Nothing else in the qid. Thoughts? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 02:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @PotsdamLamb I think it would be better to redirect to Southwark than London, since that’s the region it’s in. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 02:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle Thanks! Like I said I don’t know much about London or any of that country layout. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 02:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Enabling a machine translation model, Section and Content translation tools in your Wikipedia change
Hello Simple English Wikipedians!
The WMF Language team plans to enable the Section and Content translation tools to Simple English Wikipedia by default. Also, the team is considering using the MADLAD-400 open-source translation model in the MinT machine translation for your Wikipedia. The current model in MinT provides limited support for your language, while the MADLAD-400 will provide more translation support from other source languages. We want to make sure it is useful for your translation work. For this, my team would like members of your community to:
- Test the MADLAD-400 model in a test instance. You can paste multiple pieces of content from different Wikipedia articles and check whether the provided result is a useful starting point for a translation.
- Give us feedback if the machine translation quality is okay to be on your Wikipedia by default, as an optional service or if it is not useful at all.
- Let us know if you have any objections to having the Section and Content translation enabled by default in this Wikipedia.
Below is background information about the tools and how you can test them.
Background information
Content Translation has been a successful tool for editors to create content in their language. Since its release in 2015, the tool has aided the translation of more than one million articles across all languages. However, the tool is in beta in Simple English Wikipedia, limiting its discoverability and use. Being in beta also blocks enabling the Section translation in your Wikipedia.
Section Translation extends the capabilities of Content Translation to support mobile devices. On mobile, the tool will:
- Guide you to translate one section at a time to expand existing articles or create new ones
- Make it easy to transfer knowledge across languages anytime from your mobile device
MinT (Machine in Translation) is a machine translation service hosted in the Wikimedia Infrastructure. It is designed to provide translations from many MT models and we have the MADLAD-400 that might be suitable for your community.
Our request
The MADLAD-400 MT is available for your Wiki in our test instance. We want you to test it (translate sentences and paragraphs from articles) in our test instance:https://translate.wmcloud.org. Let us know in this thread if the quality of the automatic translation generated is okay to enable it in Simple English Wikipedia along with the Section and Content translation tool.
Our plans to enable the tools and the machine translation support
We plan to deploy the tools with the MT support by the 16th of April. If there are no objections from your community, we will deploy them. We want to provide the tools in the way they best serve the community, so we are open to make further adjustments after the deployment based on your experience.
We look forward to getting your feedback in this thread. Thank you!
UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 20:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC) On behalf of the Language team.
- the english to simple english translation is broken
- https://i.ibb.co/4TWRLRp/image.png MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk) 21:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It worked somewhat when I ran it, but it's not really good enough for translation. I'm not a fan of automated translation anyway, you might as well run en-wiki with a Google translate. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Taiwanese people redirects to China change
This page Taiwanese people redirects to People's Republic of China. I think it needs to be fixed to redirect to Taiwan. Also early revisions might need to be deleted. They are troll revisions but not grossly offensive. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Immanuelle I fixed it so it redirects to Taiwan. Kk.urban (talk) 21:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like a bot did it at a time when the article Taiwan itself redirected to the article about China. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Dixon, Iowa change
Are the changes I made to Dixon, Iowa okay? I thought that it would be better to put the old demographic information in table form rather than keeping so many paragraphs of census facts. Kk.urban (talk) 01:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)