Devlet Geray
Joined 31 January 2019
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Belwine in topic January 2021
January 2021
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Welcome to Wikipedia. Your recent change to the page Tatars appears to have added wrong information and has been removed. If you think the information that you added was correct, please provide a source for the change or discuss it on the article's talk page. Please use the sandbox for any tests that you wish to make. Thank you. Belwine • 💬 • 📜 20:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- strange that i should provide the sources for the fact that "sky is blue" --Devlet Geray (talk) 20:59, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, I looked at Tatars on the English Wikipedia and Crimean Tatars are included.
Your new page is good, so I'm questioning whether the English Wikipedia might be wrong here... Belwine • 💬 • 📜 21:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)- Hi, thanks! The article on EnWiki mostly concentrates on the term "tatar": an umbrella term for different Turkic ethnic groups bearing the name "Tatar." and this: ethnic groups who refer to themselves as Tatars or who speak languages that are commonly referred to as Tatar, while the article here more about an ethnicity, a Tatar nation (Татары), we can see it from the photos in the article here (only Tatars, no Crimean Tatars), statistics which includes only Tatars (for example population of Tatars in Ukraine here - 73,304 (only those who are considered to be a part of a "large Tatar nation" and mostly name themselves as Tatars), while there - 319,377 (those who name themselves as tatars + those who name themselves as crimean tatars) and so on) --Devlet Geray (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- It's quite difficult to explain because in Russia (where these peoples mostly live) Volga, Astrakhan and Siberian Tatars are included into one group - Tatars (and they are considered to be one nation, although not only they bear this name). See here В пределах этих государств сложились совр. этнотерриториальные группы Т.: в Волго-Уральском регионе – казанских Т. (см. в статьях Казанское ханство, Татарстан), касимовских Т. и мишарей (см. Касимовское царство), в Нижнем Поволжье – астраханских Т. (см. Астраханское ханство), в Зап. Сибири – сибирских Т. (см. Сибирское ханство); как особый народ сформировались крымские татары -- Within these states, the modern ethno-territorial groups of Tatars were formed: in the Volga-Ural region - Kazan T. (see the articles Kazan Khanate, Tatarstan), Kasimov T. and Mishars (see Kasimov kingdom), in the Lower Volga region - Astrakhan T. (see Astrakhan Khanate) , in Western. Siberia - Siberian T. (see Siberian Khanate, state in the steppe zone of Western Siberia); as a special people, the Crimean Tatars were formed --Devlet Geray (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks! The article on EnWiki mostly concentrates on the term "tatar": an umbrella term for different Turkic ethnic groups bearing the name "Tatar." and this: ethnic groups who refer to themselves as Tatars or who speak languages that are commonly referred to as Tatar, while the article here more about an ethnicity, a Tatar nation (Татары), we can see it from the photos in the article here (only Tatars, no Crimean Tatars), statistics which includes only Tatars (for example population of Tatars in Ukraine here - 73,304 (only those who are considered to be a part of a "large Tatar nation" and mostly name themselves as Tatars), while there - 319,377 (those who name themselves as tatars + those who name themselves as crimean tatars) and so on) --Devlet Geray (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, I looked at Tatars on the English Wikipedia and Crimean Tatars are included.
- So the thing is that Crimean Tatars are not an ethno-territorial group of Tatars, but another nation (or a people) which bears the same name --Devlet Geray (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thanks for your constructive changes and sorry for the confusion on my end. :) Belwine • 💬 • 📜 22:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)