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It looks like you've got it installed twice. If it's not working, make sure you refresh with Crtl+F5. Furthermore, you may need to be autoconfirmed before Twinkle will work, which takes about 4 days from your first edit. Until then, I can give you Rollback ability, if you'd like. I see you made a request already on my talk. You should have Rollback in a minute; please continue to use it wisely as you have on the English Wikipedia. EhJJTALK 00:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, do you have Twinkle installed in your settings (Special:Preferences) as a Gadget? EhJJTALK 03:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I do. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
You should have Twinkle installed in only one place: either in your monobook User:Griffinofwales/monobook.js or in your Gadgets, but not both. Installing it more than once will cause it to appear twice. I'd suggest removing it from your Gadgets, due to some bugs that only occur when Twinkle is installed as a Gadget. Also, installing it in monobook means you can change some of the ways Twinkle works, if you decide to do that. EhJJTALK 04:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Add the following to your monobook.js and nothing should get automatically added to your watchlist. EhJJTALK 22:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

if( typeof( TwinkleConfig ) == 'undefined' ) TwinkleConfig = {}; // DO NOT REMOVE THIS LINE - ALL TWINKLE SETTINGS AFTER THIS
TwinkleConfig.watchRevertedPages			=	[ ];
TwinkleConfig.watchSpeedyPages				=	[ ];
TwinkleConfig.watchWarnings				=	false;

Hm... Twinkle on Simple just doesn't seem to get along with you. Are you using Firefox? If so, can you go to Tools>Error Console (or press Ctrl+Shift+J) and click on the Errors tab? Check there for any errors caused by Twinkle. If there are any, right-click one or more of the and select copy and paste them on my talk, in an e-mail to me, or at Wikipedia talk:Twinkle, please. I haven't had any problems with Twinkle recently, and it always appears for me on user talk pages. It may very well be conflicting with another script, gadget or Common.js. If so, I'll see what I can do to fix it, but right now I don't know why it's not working. Thanks! EhJJTALK 18:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I've set up Twinkle here to be consistent with our warning templates as found at User:Fairfield/WikiProject User Warnings. If you'd like to create the template and add it to the list of available templates (so that it's "official"), I'll gladly add it to Twinkle. If you need some help with the template, feel free to let me know or ask at WP:ST. Thanks for the suggestion. EhJJTALK 02:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


MRI is much bigger than the other page; I just found out when I wanted to move MRI to its full name. Anyway, just noticed, and put the flag there. Go ahead if you like. --Eptalon (talk) 21:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


It is always nice to see a new editor here, and I would personally like to welcome you to the Simple English Wikipedia! Great work that you've done so far with the vandalism reverting, and don't forget to help us expand some articles that need expanding if you want to :) Anyways, welcome, and hope to see you around the site, Razorflame 17:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


Thanks, I knew there was something I'd forgotten to do, but couldn't remember what it was :) fr33kman talk 16:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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fr33kman talk 18:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Based on this: Its one of those standard practices that you learn throughout your time on en, in a way. I often make a mistake somewhere, and quick revert it back its original place. Now, if someone else sees it, they have to undo it. Theres a thin line between these, but most people know this. Its fine that you don't, no harm done. Synergy 22:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about here or en.wp? Griffinofwales (talk) 22:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I hereby allow rollbacking your own edits on Simple English Wikipedia. Gimme a sec to update the guideline. PeterSymonds (talk) 22:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
It's already there. en.wp guidelines don't allow it though. That was why I was confused (most of our policies/guidelines are copies of en.wp policies [just simplified]). Griffinofwales (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
It's pretty common on enWP even fr33kman talk 22:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
You are allowed to do that when you are using Twinkle because it allows for an edit summary. Policy says that when you rollback an edit that is not vandalism at enWP you have to provide an edit summary. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
We're saying that people ignore the policy in non-controversial circumstances. fr33kman talk 23:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) WP:IAR doesn't apply (at least I don't think so) because WP:Rollback is not preventing you from removing the edit. It is only stopping you from using rollback in those types of situations. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Rollback uses less bandwidth so its use aids the project. The point is that both here and at enWP, rollbacking your own edits is openly done in many cases. fr33kman talk 23:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Policies are descriptive (ie they describe what has happened in previous cases or what is the usual practice). You are not obliged to follow them word-for-word, and that is basically the essence of IAR. Trust me, Fr33kman, Peter, Synergy on this -- I for, example, have been admin at for almost two years now -- on this: rollback, especially, is not such a big deal to launch huge discussions about. Time's better spent making actual useful article edits (your revert of me of neon was most impolite, it's called wiki-hounding. Maxim(talk) 23:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I explained my undoing of your edit. I think I was polite and I did not hound you. I monitor everybody's edits when I'm online. I do spend some (not all) of my time editing articles. About WP:IAR/WP:ROLLBACK, no it's not a big issue, it just happened to be something that policy said should not be done, and I do follow policies unless I can justify using WP:IAR. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
We have a different policy than English Wikipedia, see WP:RBK:

If you make an obvious mistake, or you need to revert your edits quickly, using rollback on yourself is also allowed. David0811 (talk) 23:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I have already read the policy. Read the above. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


Maxim is an experienced and well-known user who knows how to edit. I fully understand you are trying to help us out at simpleWP and thanks for doing that. But it can seem to people that you are watching their actions when you are, of course, just watching RecentChanges. We do tend to just watch IP editors and brand new accounts on RC, and tend not to review each others (the regulars) edits in mainspace. It's considered more polite, and more conducive to community spirit. Hope this helps. fr33kman talk 23:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes...I know. I seem to bother the regulars here a lot. Thanks for the advice. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I think bother is too strong a term; but you're welcome! :-) fr33kman talk 23:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Since I'm sure people are watching NewChanges, I should get a quick response. In the case above where I undid one of Maxim's edits, it was done because the wording was not simple enough. The question is, should I have done it? I would say yes because I had a legitimate reason, and I wasn't rollbacking or warning the user (although I guess I could have, but enWP has a policy about not templating the regulars). Comments please. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Your note to AmphBot

Please be aware that our wiki subscribes to meta:Bot_policy#Automatic_approval which allows an interwiki operator to operate without a flag for a trial run so that a steward may automatically grant the flag after certain conditions are met and assuming the edits were of good quality. -Djsasso (talk) 13:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

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Griffin: sysops are elected by the community BECAUSE they are trusted. After their election, they are not then required to explain every action to the community, because they are thenceforth trusted with the bit. You don't need to question every action NVS does. Please talk to me if you want to about what it means to be an admin. Thanks!! :) fr33kman talk 04:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not targeting NVS in particular, he happens to be the admin online most of the time though so he has to make the controversial decisions. I question the decisions so I can learn more about policy for that time in the future when I become admin. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
That's fine and I understand your feelings; but do keep in mind that he has the RIGHT to act as he sees fit. Believe me, if he goes beyond his remit as an admin, the rest of us sysops will be on his case faster than you can spell "IT"! He has my full confidence! I also respect you as an editor and think you are doing a great job!!!! :-) fr33kman talk 04:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Will keep that in mind. Thanks for AGF. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Always, I rarely ABF and never of the editors who have proved themselves to be an asset! :-) fr33kman talk 04:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Quick Deletion Requests

You tagged the article correctly. :) From time to time, I take the tagging as an invitation to expand the article... I see it as a challenge. This is a good thing. Keep up the good work! Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 05:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


that ip user keeps replacing the page with info about the movie. just wanted to let know. -- (talk) 20:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks but I'm watching Recent Changes so I will revert it when I see it. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


The sv account is not mine, and I didn't bother having my other accounts renamed when I had my username changed. Exert 02:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I see, then I won't worry about it. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:51, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I see you are welcoming a lot of new users. This is a good thing, but your edits are flooding recent changes. If you want to make mass changes in a short amount of time, please ask an admin for the flood flag. Thanks, Shappy talk 01:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for reminding me (I knew I had forgotten something). Griffinofwales (talk) 01:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
I just remembered, you're an admin. Could you give me the flood flag and take it away at 6 AM GMT or later if I don't notify you. I will try to remember to notify an admin to remove it. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  • It appears that there are none (crats) online at the moment, I tried IRC. Hopefully we can get you flagged shortly. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 02:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I thought an admin could do it. Thanks to NVS for trying to get a 'crat and thanks to Shappy for reminding me (I have over 50 account talk pages ready for saving once I get the flag [I love tabs!]) Griffinofwales (talk) 02:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
New users don't need to be welcomed until they actually edit... it just wastes your time when you could be, instead, building an encyclopaedia... Goblin 08:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!
Not only that, but a red talk page link can be a red flag (so to speak) for a new account. Welcoming them just to welcome them is very counter-productive. EVula // talk // // 21:47, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
@BG7, I am only welcoming users that have edited. EVula, I scan the edits of all the users I welcome. I hope that addresses your concerns. Sorry about the delay in responding. Luckily, Firefox saves my tabs but my computer is now slow because of all the tabs :(. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Please don't welcome users who haven't edited like you did here. That's is complete useless. Thanks Barras (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Oops...Sorry. I haven't been paying attention recently. Thanks for the reminder. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


Is there a guideline on taxonomical articles? These are rather difficult to simplify, so I was wondering if there is some standard procedure regarding them that we follow. Thanks, →javért stargaze 23:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No clue, but I don't think there is a special policy concerning it. Try going here. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Will do, thanks. :) →javért stargaze 23:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: 51 Pegasi

Thanks for the complement. :) I appreciate it. I'm sorry that you've had to go back and fix some of my errors, though, I will try to be more careful in the future. Cheers, →javért stargaze 01:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


Sorry about that Griffin sorry for taking up your time. --Negano (talk) 05:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Griffinofwales (talk) 05:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

You, as an editor

Griffin, I wanted to straight out tell you that I think you're a good user here. Yes, you can be blunt and straight-to-the-point but I prefer that frankly. I'm not big on people who "hum and hah"; if you've got something to say to me, then say it! :-) I think that regardless of your history on enwiki (not a place I hang around much anymore frankly) you seem to be growing as an editor. Keep up the good work! (btw: you are always welcome to ask me about or question any action I take as an editor, sysop or bureaucrat here. I welcome it!) fr33kman talk 01:13, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The block issue was cleared up. Instead of the original 12 hour block, I ended up blocked for 45 minutes. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


Moved here Griffinofwales (talk) 01:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Your question

That was me. It has been removed and replaced by me. So that the edit is attributed to me. Thanks, NonvocalScream (talk) 03:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that's a proper use of admin tools. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll take that into consideration. Have a good evening. NonvocalScream (talk) 03:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I will. Thanks, Griffinofwales (talk) 03:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
No, it's a perfectly appropriate admin action. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
How? Could you provide a source? Griffinofwales (talk) 03:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
IAR, it's all good. Exert 03:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
en:Wikipedia:Selective deletion; "This is generally only done when the revisions contain personal information of a user or some other person (telephone numbers, etc.)" –Juliancolton | Talk 03:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Just to make it clear. If anyone accidentally edits while logged out... and comes to me on IRC and requests that the revision be deleted so they can replace the edit immediately while logged in, I will do that for them, in deference to privacy. This is not written in any policy or guideline. It is my best judgement. The community elected me to use my judgement. That is what I will do. Very best, NonvocalScream (talk) 03:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
    @JC: The IP identify tools that WP uses do not give enough information to identify anybody. @NVS: There isn't a privacy issue here. I don't want people knowing where I live, but if they see my IP, they will know which city I live in and that's it. It's not a big deal. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Speaking as an oversighter on the English Wikipedia, this is exactly the sort of thing that we routinely get requested to suppress. This is an appropriate administrator action. EVula // talk // // 03:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

  •  (change conflict)  This is also a case of a person's POV on this matter. For those with dynamic IP addresses, the problem is not that great. This becomes different when someone has a static IP address. Chenzw  Talk  03:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
@EVUla: Really? It's not that big of an issue. Guess I was wrong. Sorry NVS. @Chenzw: and what if a user has a static IP? Griffinofwales (talk) 03:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
They can use your IP to help them figure out who you are in real life. Exert 03:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Not a problem, tis ok. The IP alone may not be enough. But the IP geolocating a city, knowledge of my name, crumbs of my occupation here an there... it all adds up. NonvocalScream (talk) 03:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
True...good point NVS. A lot of research though. Someone who was determined could probably start adding stuff together and find out who I am (it would take forever though). Thanks for teaching me something. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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hi Griffin! what I mean is Mr. Jordan Galland was invited to be on a panel of speakers during the prestigious Canadian music week, because of his musical contributions to shows and movies. Thanks! is there a limit of one pic per article on simple wik? if so I guess you can remove it...I took the pic myself. Bubblycanuck (talk) 16:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

No, there is isn't but the article is so small that it only needs one photo. All you need in an article is one profile photo, and a few others as the article grows. Instead, create a cat at commons and create a link from here (I think you can do that, you should check with commons). Griffinofwales (talk) 17:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits...

I see you have added the "no footnotes" template here. There are inline cites, I don't understand. NonvocalScream (talk) 04:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Now reverted. Usually the 'Other websites' section is under the 'References' section so I guessed that there wasn't a references section. I will move the sections. Thanks for notifying me, Griffinofwales (talk) 04:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


Is there a better work word for "Reaction"? Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 03:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

? Griffinofwales (talk) 04:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I saw you were active and thought you might know a simpler word. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 04:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Response? Reply? Griffinofwales (talk) 04:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I will use Response, I was beating my head to the point were I could no longer progress with the simplification of the Essjay article. I can continue now. I promise, that when I've moved the bulk, I will do a very through copy edit. Very best, NonvocalScream (talk) 04:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


Those reference tags will be defined as soon as I convert the rest of the article. They are defined in parts of the article further down, I've not moved yet. They must remain, because with this BLP, and especially this one, *everything* has to be sourced. It is a negative BLP. Please consider reverting that last edit where you changed the ref tags. Very best! NonvocalScream (talk) 04:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Will do. I will not revert but I will add the refs. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, the references are fixed. They were defined in the quotes section, but since as an eventuality, all quotes will be removed, I've adjusted the reference definitions. I just need to understand the impact removing the quotes will have on the quality of the article, and how to best handle that. I'll probably ponder that for a few hours. I need to copy edit as well, and probably more simplification... yes. Very best! NonvocalScream (talk) 05:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
You need to fix a ref. It is at the end of Jimbo's quote located just above Larry's picture. Griffinofwales (talk) 05:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Good catch. My eyes need rest. I'll give the article another go in a few hours time. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 05:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Me too. I think we are in the same time zone. Be back at 1430 GMT or later. Griffinofwales (talk) 05:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Stop this

Please stop this ridiculous crusade in questioning every single thing every admin does. It's becoming extremely tiresome, and as myself and others have pointed out to you, you do not need to question everything all the time. Djsasso told you things are not always black and white, and rules are often bent to better the project. Your latest two problems: Yegoyan and DNA: I'll explain to you in simple terms, and I want you to drop the topic. If you continue, I will block you from editing, as enough is enough.

Yegoyan is the sockpuppet of a banned user on English Wikipedia. He created his account here prior to being blocked on English Wikipedia. He has done nothing here to suggest inappropriate behaviour or activity. He became an admin despite being banned on English Wikipedia. Oh well. He never caused a problem, so what's the deal? There is no deal. At all. So stop bringing it up like it is, and causing a fuss about nothing. And bear in mind - he hasn't edited for months. So it isn't an issue.

DNA is the sockpuppet of a banned user of English Wikipedia. He has caused lots of problems here, ranging from trolling to copyvios to vandalism. The tagging of Simple talk was the last proverbial straw, so he was blocked. People do not need a warning when they are deliberately causing trouble. The block was completely justified. DNA caused problems here from the start and was in general a net negative.

What is a net negative also is your incessant questioning of administrators for no apparent reason other than the sake of questioning them. Please assume a little good faith before jumping on to their talk page demanding why they did something that was perfectly appropriate.

If this pattern of behaviour continues from you, I will be persuing further input on this on Simple talk. This cannot continue. Majorly talk 19:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Fact checking. Response in a few minutes. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I read his RFA. They never mentioned the block, which means the voters probably didn't know about it. None of the users that voted are active anymore (Vector, M7, Exert), and they wouldn't remember anyways. I had understood that this WP had a zero tolerance policy for banned offenders from enWP. ZERO. But, I am new here, so I might be wrong. The reason I question admins is to learn from them. Their decisions help make policy, and if I learn why they did such and such decision, I can better understand how policy should be applied (and whether it should be applied at all). Griffinofwales (talk) 19:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I am concerned with you editing style, and I have posted my concern on AN [1]. Respectfully, NonvocalScream (talk) 19:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Continuation of conversation at Shappy's talk page

I couldn't find any evidence of trolling. I will continue to pursue a ban for Yegoyan per this case. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC) Your ban actually helped me. Thanks.
It's not actually a zero tolerance policy in the way you are thinking of it. We allow banned users from other projects to edit here. They get one chance to screw up here and then we institute a ban/block on them as well. As such Yegoyan has done nothing here to warrant a ban. Also this policy only came into effect within the last year or so, after Yegoyan was already a user here. Please stop trolling. -Djsasso (talk) 19:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
DNA screwed up? From meta, Trolling is a deliberate, bad faith attempt to disrupt the editing of Wikipedia. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, he tried to QD simple talk. A clear and deliberate bad faith edit. -Djsasso (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Why would he have done that after a year of editing normally? We should create a template for banned users that edit here so that they know that they can be blocked after 1 bad edit. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
He didn't really have a year of editing normally....He edited a tiny bit a year ago, and disappeared and then edited a tiny bit this month. We don't need to template everything. Users know what is expected of them. They shouldn't have to be told you can only screw up shouldn't screw up ever. There should be no need of chances. -Djsasso (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)Moved from Shappy's talk page

So should we change policy to 1 strike, you're out? Griffinofwales (talk) 19:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
For editors that are already "out" on other projects? Yes. Coddling bad-faithed editors only harms the project. EVula // talk // // 22:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Should they be warned when they come here? and is this a new policy that you made, or has an unwritten policy been made at ST? Griffinofwales (talk) 22:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

[unindent] No, we don't need to warn them when they get here; again, coddling is bad, and if they don't understand that edit warring (or whatever they got banned for) is a bad thing, that's not our fault, and not our responsibility to teach them. This isn't policy, "policy", or any other permutation thereof; it's my opinion. EVula // talk // // 23:03, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, works for me. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)ért stargaze 23:40, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I spotted it 2 months ago. Luckily, it isn't policy here, or we would have another Netoholic (who I just finished reading about). Just kidding EVula, Griffinofwales (talk) 23:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


Remember that redlinks such as this one are not bad. It encourages article creation. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 22:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

In the main article space, yes. But this is the other pages section, where there should be links to pages relevant to the article. If the article doesn't exist then it's not relevant. You're challenging one of my actions! This is the 3rd one today! I should take you to WP:AN! Just kidding, Griffinofwales (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll step back. You have been of great help to me in mainspace, however. :) Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 22:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Please do bother me. I learn a lot from it. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi there. I just want to make sure of something: Are we marking all unreferenced articles with the {{unsourced}} template now? Just need to know so that I can add this to the list of things that I do when I do wikignome stuff. Cheers, Razorflame 00:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I am and no one has complained, so add to your list. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Okey-dokey. Will do. Thanks for clearing this up! Cheers, Razorflame 00:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Maintenance templates

Please avoid drive-by tagging, especially on a large scale. It's rather pointless. Thanks, –Juliancolton | Talk 01:24, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

And is redundant on stubs. Stubs by definition are probably unreferenced. -Djsasso (talk) 01:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Not always though :). Razorflame 01:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 (change conflict) Pointless? I think it's useful. Please explain. @ Djsasso: Actually stubs refer to content, not whether they are referenced or not. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but if something is a stub then it is noted as being unfinished and should be expanded. One of those ways is to reference it. Basically what we are saying is don't put so many tags on single line stubs. It actually hurts the wiki more than helps. If its is a large article that is unreferenced have at it and put a tag on it. -Djsasso (talk) 01:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I have the bot flag right now, and I will go back to flooding RC, but instead of adding maintenance templates, I will add stub templates. Does that work? Griffinofwales (talk) 01:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
How is it hurting the project? They are not single line stubs, the articles usually have some content (5 lines or more w/ infobox) Griffinofwales (talk) 01:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
The tags alert the reader immediately that this problem needs to be fixed. A stub tag doesn't tell them anything. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I have given you the bot flag to stop the flooding of RC, not because I agree with your actions. Please discuss this with the above editors prior to resuming tagging. fr33kman talk 01:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I just left a tb with Djsasso. Thanks for the flag, I will get you or Djsasso to remove it when I'm done. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Saint-Seurin-sur-l'Isle is an example of what I am talking about. I have seen you tag a very large number of these. A stub tag is also a tag that tells editors there is a problem. But yes I do prefer stub tags to what you had been doing. -Djsasso (talk) 01:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Compromise: I will stop adding those templates to articles that do not infoboxes, and are 1-2 sentences long. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Maybe instead of just adding the unsourced tag to an article, we can hold off on adding tags to articles until it needs more than one tag, or the tag that it needs is fairly important, such as {{uncat}}, {{wikify}}, and {{cleanup}}? I think that that would be a fair compromise to this situation. `Razorflame 01:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I think that the unsourced template is important enough, but I have already been threatened with a ban so I am making sure I have the consensus of all the admins. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

(unindent) Stubs are generally (also) unreferenced. In addition, a stub is, after all, a stub (very few lines of content). Any reader can tell at once if it is unreferenced. That template should only be used for longer articles. Chenzw  Talk  01:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. fr33kman talk 01:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, if someone would put a informational template on the template page, it would help. They use them the information templates everywhere at enWP. So anything that is not stub-like (10 lines or less with or without box) gets a template? Griffinofwales (talk) 02:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
We're not enWP. We have different needs. I am going to remove the bot flag now, you don't need it now. fr33kman talk 02:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
(ec) We aren't -Djsasso (talk) 02:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Go ahead with the removal. Clarified my comment. I still don't totally understand why, but since I'm overruled, I will go back to cleanup. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Flood flag

Hi. I see your doing a good deal of clean up. May I ask if you could request the flood flag since the edits are rapid? Very respectfully, NonvocalScream (talk) 21:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I've stopped. Thanks for reminding me though. Next time, I go stubbing, I will check if a crat is online before I start. Question: Am I allowed to flood RC if there is not a crat online? Griffinofwales (talk) 21:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
You could ask on the administrators' noticeboard for the flag. Give it a few minutes, then begin your work. I don't see how anyone could penalise (I don't know of a better word) you, for there being no crat online. We need more crats. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 22:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
If you don't have the bot flag, don't flood RC. Slow down more than you would with the flag (a few edits a minute, not twenty) MC8 (b · t) 17:58, Tuesday August 11 2009 (UTC)
I am not going to wait more than 10-15 minutes per above. Once, I had to wait 48 hours before I got a response to my request. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Why? There is never any rush on Wikipedia. It is a perpetual work in progress. MC8 (b · t) 18:02, Tuesday August 11 2009 (UTC)
Work piles up, and in my case, the work I do with the bot flag is time-sensitive. If I wait too long, I lose my place on the list and have to go through the list again (which has thousands of articles on it). Griffinofwales (talk) 18:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
He should not wait because there is no crat available. Think about nominating for more crats if this is an issue. This is not Griffin's fault. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 19:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Is the bot flag still needed by you Griffin? fr33kman talk 19:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
NVS, no, it is not Griffin's fault that there were no 'crats. However, the idea that "I will wait fifteen minutes before starting" seems iffy. @Griffin, can't you start from where you left off? Again, there's perpetual time: if you do five, you still have until infinity to do the rest. MC8 (b · t) 19:28, Tuesday August 11 2009 (UTC)
Or you dump the list to a text file and never have to worry about losing your place, or you use a program like AWB that lets you start where you stopped. There is no rush, and what you are doing is not all that time sensitive. No one is going to die if you don't change an article from {{geo-stub}} to {{UK-stub}} immediately or ever for that matter. -Djsasso (talk) 20:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

<-Sorry about the delay in response. My ISP doesn't do a very good job with their internet service but it's the only one available in my area. The reason it's time-sensitive is because I bookmark the point where I have stopped. That link will change as more stubs are added. At this project, 24 hours doesn't make a big difference (10-20 new stub links), but if it goes over 50, I lose my place, and it takes 15 minutes or more to find my spot again. Yes, I do need the flag. Hope that answers all your concerns. vGriffinofwales (talk) 20:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


Please do not restore the "review in November 2009" comment to Christianrocker90's banned notice. If you look in the history of the page, you can see that this comment was edit warred over in the recent past, so the best option is to keep it out. Christianrocker90 was blocked from editing his talk page because he kept adding that comment to it, so please don't continue where he left off. Thanks, Either way (talk) 21:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh..sorry. I only read part of the thread. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi my name is saiyanEmperor2008 and I would like to thanks for the warm welcome to simple english wiki. i am not new to wikipedia i have on the english wiki 450+ edits and thought I should help devolp this undevolped wiki.


SaiyanEmperor2008 (talk) 13:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Your edit to WP:Inactive administrators

Please revert your edit. The page should clearly state a year. We already have several people agreeing upon this on WP:ST and your edit is potentially against consensus. If you wish to suggest a change, bring it up on WP:ST first. Chenzw  Talk  16:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Too late. PeterSymonds got to it before I did (I was reading the news). Griffinofwales (talk) 16:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Was I right in my edits (not that it matters)? I forgot about 3RR. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

JC, remember to change the closing comments. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


You have been blocked from changing pages on Wikipedia for a period of 48hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for repeated abuse of changing privileges. Please stop. You are welcome to make useful changes after the block expires. If you believe this block is unfair you may request to be unblocked by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. You may want to consider reading our guide to unblock requests before requesting to be unblocked.

fr33kman talk 20:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

This is for violation of 3RR on WP:RFD. You are well aware of policy both here and on enWP so have no excuse for violating the 3RR rule. You should have discussed the matter with editors on the talk page. fr33kman talk 20:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I saw the block on RC almost immediately. We were discussing it over edit summaries (not effective):(. See earlier comments Griffinofwales (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Could you change the template? It's for vandalism, and I am blocked for 3RR (or remove it entirely). Griffinofwales (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The template is correct. -DJSasso (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Vandalism? Griffinofwales (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Same difference. Edit warring is a form of vandalism. -DJSasso (talk) 20:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Not. I was doing the correct thing but I got blocked (although it doesn't matter per 3RR), and since you're reading this, please fix the RFD.
Actually you were not doing the correct thing. And edit waring is a form of disruption which is a form of vandalism. Eitherway I would step away for the next 48 hours or your likely to just have someone extend your block. -DJSasso (talk) 20:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Extend my block for what? When I said correct thing, I meant whether the edit(s) were correct (without factoring in the edit war). Griffinofwales (talk) 21:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
So do I, your edits were wrong. He can close an Rfd. Non-admins can close Rfd's that are keeps that are not close calls. -DJSasso (talk) 12:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
And please fix the close of the RfD, it has someone else's comments at the top. Remind JC. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Famous Americans

You are invited to join the WikiProject Famous Americans. The objective of this project is to determine what the 30-50 most important American biographies are, making sure the pages of those people are written well, and in addition serve as a one-stop shop for a 2nd or 3rd grader looking for a Famous American to do a biography report on. Please sign up with it here so it can become a full-fledged project! Purplebackpack89 (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Due to my block, I cannot revert vandalism. 15 minutes after vandalism occurs and is not dealt with, I will post it here. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect information

Please just leave for 48 hours. The community can deal with things fine in your absence. Failure to do so will see your talk page privs removed and your block extended. fr33kman talk 21:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I was about to go, but I spotted that vandalism while I was watching RC earlier. SUL got to it a few moments ago. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Which proves that we can deal with it ourselves. Razorflame 21:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome

You're welcome. Mythdon (talkchanges) 00:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

thank you for your welcome, i may need more help for translating the maps to english. thanks again.Gzhao (talk) 01:09, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I will try to help. Leave a message for me anytime here and I should respond to it within 24 hours. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Soap made from human corpses

I would hope you'd give me a bit more credit than that. It is not a direct copy; a) it has been simplified, b) it has been credited for GFDL and CC-BY-SA as required. I'd suggest you read Wikipedia:How to copy from another Wikipedia. fr33kman talk 03:30, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Checking, but you should have converted before putting it into article space. It looks a lot like the original. Removing tag soon (if I get time I will help with conversion). Griffinofwales (talk) 03:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
I did convert it before putting into article space. I did the simplification before I saved it for the first time. Please exactly compare the two. I have already removed the tag. fr33kman talk 03:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
comparing... NonvocalScream (talk) 03:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Looks converted to me. Here is the differential edit of the EN version, and ours. Personally, I had assumed it was converted. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 03:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Natually, considering I was the one who wrote the guideline on copying, I'm pretty certain I know how to go about it. :) fr33kman talk 03:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


I know what I'm doing. When I use the summary "basic layout" in creating a page, that means I intend to expand it. This was inappropriate. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with JC. Please take care when you see established editors doing something. You don't need to tag pages as soon as they are made, give the editor a little credit. Julian is a VERY well known editor all over many WMF projects. Thanks! :) fr33kman talk 23:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Didn't check edit summary, I know who JC is (a great person). I was about to remove the template, but you got to it before I did. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)



You are doing great work on the project, but some see the constant questioning and discussions as distracting. So what we have, is when you issue a question, editors have to shift the time they devote to mainspace, to address these. In this way, it is disruptive to the project. If you truly are asking in order to learn... then email me those questions. I'll do my best to answer of find an answer. I would also attempt to limit your interactions that may appear to be challenging. A challenge here and there is ok, but many of them is disruptive. If you fail to heed this advice, you may be blocked in order to prevent more disruption. Please think carefully, and take the advice and offer that I give you here. If you are blocked for disruption, I'll have to support it, due to the volunteer hours is is taking to address everything. Remember, you can contact me for questions if your intent is to learn. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 01:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks, NVS. I will do that next time. Back to the article reading/creating/fixing. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


Chronologically, yes, you're right; but climatologically, Florida does not have four distinct seasons. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Policies, guidelines and opinion

I've added an explanation to the Stubs WikiProject that explains that it is not a policy or a guideline. WikiProjects are just that, a bunch of editors who are working towards a common goal. They are not official guidelines or policies. Pages with {{guideline}} or {{policy}} at the top are official. fr33kman talk 02:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Saw it already, but thanks for adding it. Should that template be added to all the projects in WP namespace? Griffinofwales (talk) 02:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't see why not; unless they have {{guideline}} or {{policy}} on them, they are not to be taken as actual policies or guidelines. fr33kman talk 03:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Don't add it to any WikiProject in userspace, only WP. Cheers! fr33kman talk 03:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Will do. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


Wow you do good work thanks. -- (talk) 01:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

You should create an account. There is talk about discontinuing IP editing here. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
When do you think this will happen? I like being anonyomous. -- (talk) 01:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Grif, sorry for stepping in. :) IP, you would actually be more anon, with a user account. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 01:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
You're not anonymous, because we can tell see where you live (or close to it), if you edit without an account. You live (or near to) in Lewiston, Maine. If you create an account, only special users (there are 4 of them right now) who have revealed their identity to the Wikimedia Foundation (our parent), can see where you live. In other words, you are less anonymous if you edit without an account. @NVS: No problem, I don't mind. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
The actual discontinuing of all IP editing is unlikely to pass; but IP's creating new pages will happen. fr33kman talk 02:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


Do you have any areas of particular interest? Geography, science, human sexuality, medicine, et cetera? NonvocalScream (talk) 01:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Geography and History (especially American History). Why? Griffinofwales (talk) 01:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Would you like to help me move and convert en:Women's suffrage in the United States to simple? Perhaps we can start an American history series on simple? NonvocalScream (talk) 01:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Sure, I still have 3 hours left in my day (more or less). Are you moving it directly to article space and then changing it or are you starting it out in the user space? Griffinofwales (talk) 01:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I usually start it in article space, so to give others the ability to edit as well... I actually have to go out the door now... but there is no rush... maybe I'll bring the lead over when I get back home, and we can go section by section. It is ok for this to take a few days I think :) It may also be a good idea to bring over a "Series" template. With the goal of making all the redlinks, green. NonvocalScream (talk) 01:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Green? I have the rest of this week. I am going to be really busy starting next week and my editing will be cut down sharply. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)+
Blue. Sorry... Sure... we can take time on this, perhaps in the end... will have a VGA. NonvocalScream (talk) 01:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

<-VGA! That would be great. When I meant cut down sharply, I meant going from 15 hours a day to 2 hours a day (I am a true wikipediholic). Griffinofwales (talk) 01:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey dude, I thought you were gonna use you bot for stubbing and the like? No? fr33kman talk 04:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Not if I'm adding the stub tags as I come across the articles. If I'm doing mass stubbing, I use the bot. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Check QD. There has been an article there for over an hour. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi. Thanks for articles. I'm so very hepy then i can editing this Wikipedia. Gawlikrafal (talk) 20:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I left a note at your talk page. Again, Welcome! Griffinofwales (talk) 21:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


About the tagging... it might be better when your tagging, (more than a tag a minute) to use the bot account. What are your thoughts? NonvocalScream (talk) 00:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

If I spot an article while I'm scanning RC, I use this account. If my sole purpose is tagging, I use the bot. Could you review a task here? Thanks, Griffinofwales (talk) 00:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I hooked onto fr33kman, if you post here, or on the bot page, he will review the task. Tagging more than say 1 to 3 a minute may cause a small flood to RC, this is why I suggested the flagged acct. NonvocalScream (talk) 00:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't tag that articles on this account that fast. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Approved. Good luck. NonvocalScream (talk) 00:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think stub-tagging by bot is a good idea, because it makes it more difficult to verify whether the tag is correct (it is hidden by default from RC, and some editors filter bot edits from their watchlists. --Maxim(talk) 00:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I was using the bot. My bot is manual, and it does not add stub tags. It sorts them. An admin periodically checks the bot's edits for mistakes, and all new tasks are approved by a 'crat beforehand. For the stub sorting, I use the criteria that is set here. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:48, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey, Griffinofwales. I just recently saw the creation of Poopork by an IP address. I asked the IP address to verify what is said in the article, and then added the template informing readers that no references are on the page. I have not done a Google search yet, but it looks like this information is false, given the "poo" word in the article title, which probably means "poop". What do you think? Mythdon (talkchanges) 21:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I just did a Google search, and I can't find anything. Looks like vandalism or something like that. Mythdon (talkchanges) 21:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

To avoid confusion, I've also asked Either way at User talk:Either way#Poopork. Mythdon (talkchanges) 21:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay. I was at a meeting that took 4.5 hours. I'm so glad to be home. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
And you won't be able to see the content, now that an administrator has deleted it. If you do a google search for "Poopork", you won't find anything. Mythdon (talkchanges) 04:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Good rule of thumb: if it smells like vandalism it probably is. Do a quick search for it on enwiki and if it isn't there, it probably doesn't need to be here (for one reason or another). EVula // talk // // 04:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I checked if the page was on the English Wikipedia, and found that it was never an article there. I did a Google Search, and no page in the results indicated that "Poopork" was there. I therefore tagged the page as nonsense and warned the creator not to create such pages in the future. Was that a good process? Mythdon (talkchanges) 04:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Sure. I would have stopped after the enwiki search, but it's not a bad habit to get into. EVula // talk // // 05:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
And deleted the page? Mythdon (talkchanges) 05:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It depends on the situation. If I think it's a good article, but it does not have links, I check enWP for it and then I check google. I don't know what the content of the article was so I can't tell you what I would have done. Sorry about the delay, I had 7 hour meeting to go to (dumb meetings). Griffinofwales (talk) 20:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit rank

Is it necessary to update your edit rank on your user page every day? It gives the impression that your edit count is one of your primary concerns here. Either way (talk) 01:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe Griffin knows that it is not good practice to obsess over his edit count, as I believe I asked him to stop once. Griffin, edit count is not everything, and it's certainly not the ticket to a passing RFA. Editcountitis does the opposite. Shappy talk 01:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Both of you :) please find something else. Really, is the edit rank on a user page the most offensive thing on this project? NonvocalScream (talk) 01:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • What about all of you :) Like write an article. Maxim(talk) 01:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Is us mentioning it to him the most offensive thing on this project? ;-) Either way (talk) 01:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Aight... I'll make 2 GA's in two weeks time as penance. :D NonvocalScream (talk) 01:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh, I got into the habit of updating it whenever I happened to remember it. But I can update it every week if you want. It's not that big of a deal but it's nice to see where I rank. It's like edit count userboxes except with a slower update period. @NVS: Impossible, the PGA process takes more than two weeks. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


You edit-conflicted beat me to the fix, thanks! hmwithτ 17:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


Re: This grammar edit American and British English are a little different with are and is for band names. British Eng. always uses "are" ("The Clash are an amazing band") while American Eng. uses "is" ("U2 is a great band, too"). The same thing applies to sports teams. Hope this clears that up, Either way (talk) 18:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, have to remember that next time. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


It was a complete accident sorry. I reverted it myself but you go there first :D FSM Noodly? 19:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It happens to everyone (including me). Griffinofwales (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Complex tag in Brazil

Thanks for the information; I can erase the tag but I was giving only one example of an article in which I have not any contribution. But, I repeat, those tags are sometimes very confusing. Jmarcano (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they can be confusing. If I see someone add a tag such as complex, NPOV etc. I usually ask them to explain their reasoning on the talk page. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks, I didn't get that on en.pedia when I signed up. Nice to get a welcome after only one edit. Hope to see you around some time.--Wrestlinglover (talk) 13:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I hope so too. The wrestling articles need some help. Just a reminder, do not add tags to stubs, and write in simple english. Griffinofwales (talk) 13:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I plan to create alot of articles and by-pass stub entirely. So, no problem there. Just check me out on english pedia to see what I'll be doing.--Wrestlinglover (talk) 14:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
For the majority I'll prob be putting up some content btw, once a lot of content is up here I'll probably start working on the pages more. Afkatk (talk) 14:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Wow! You have done a lot. We could use some DYKs. Here at simple, there is no criteria for a DYK, except that it has to be sourced and be part of a simple, but informative article. We could also use some GAs (we only have 30), and the criteria is much easier to reach here. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Well I guess I could pop out a few if that is the case. Is there any Featured List class on here like on English? I've near mastered that on en.--WillC 14:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
It's been talked about, let me check. Here at simple, we don't have wikiprojects in Wikipedia space, and so we don't have any templates. The levels here are stub, GA, and VGA (en=FA). Griffinofwales (talk) 14:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Do you know why this place is so quiet? since there only seems to be about 1000 edits per day. Afkatk (talk) 14:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
No, we do not have criteria for VGLs (FLs). They are held to same standard as VGAs (FAs), so add plenty of sources and have 0-1 redlinks in the list. @Afkath: Nobody likes this place. enWP gets more edits in 15 minutes than we do in an entire day. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Weren't they going to delete this place one time? and I know roughly how many edits Wikipedia gets in a day, or have a good idea as to how many. Afkatk (talk) 14:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Well I guess that puts it blunt. Well if that is the case, I guess I better make or fix up a few list articles and get a VGL or whatever. I guess the reason we only have three classes is lack of expansion?--WillC 14:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
@Afkatk: Yes, but I'm not sure how long ago. Sometime before June. @Wrestlinglover: One of the reasons is the lack of editors. We don't have enough editors (changers) that expand articles, so we can't maintain start-class, A B C-class, etc.. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I guess I could learn all the code involved and try to start that around the wrestling section and it will slowly but surely evolve to the other sections. Would be nice to have an actual project like at English to keep everything sorted and a place for central discussion plus all the templates involved.--WillC 15:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
See WP:WP. You could create a wikiproject such as User:Wrestlinglover/Wikiproject Wrestling. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I guess that could work. My main motivation is to make a template to tag articles with to get an idea of all the wrestling related articles there are like on english. Anything to improve this place.--WillC 15:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

A cat? Would that work? Griffinofwales (talk) 15:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Well a template would allow us to access it, so I figure that would be better than a cat at the moment which would go along with it.--WillC 18:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Project (talk) 01:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't see the move tag at the top like usually on english pedia. How do I get one moved around here. Not sure where I can find an admin nor a project regarding moving. Would like to move Total Nonstop Action Wrestling roster to List of Total Nonstop Action Wrestling employees, since that seems to be a more fitting name and is more accurate. Though unless that is not simple I guess forget it then.--WillC 09:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I think moving is restricted to autoconfirmed users. It's in the same place as enWP's. Griffinofwales (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks.--WillC 14:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


In the future, could you not tag things like this, this, this, or this? It's a little overboard, and you can just as easily add a source to it instead of tagging it. Thanks, Either way (talk) 01:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Somebody already talked to me about that. I no longer add tags to stubs. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Named Nameless Section

Whats up with all the vandals today? they seem to be running rampant on this site. Afkatk (talk) 18:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

It's like this every day. Usually we get PAs from open proxies, and accounts from the disney vandal, along with normal vandals. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
So why isn't the Admin doing anything? Afkatk (talk) 18:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
They try, but we don't have an admin on 24-7, and they switch IPs (very annoying). Griffinofwales (talk) 18:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
It's not like this normally, it has stepped up a great deal in the past two weeks. We are doing all we can, but it's a persistent vandal that is using open proxies that is causing the most hassles. The Disney Anon (Bambifan101) is just normal noise. fr33kman talk 18:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Normal noise? We have a very high amount of vandalism compared to other small wikis, and it's not just because we are simple. Wikt. doesn't use rollbackers at all. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Bambifan101 is acting normal. He's not more active than he has been in the past. He is generally always about this active. The open proxy vandal is new. The reason we have more vandalism than other small wikis is because we are written in English and so attract a lot of vandals from enWP. Wikt, doesn't get alot of vandals because most people don't even know it exists. Take it from someone whose been here a while, apart from the open proxy vandal the level of vandalism is about the same as usual. fr33kman talk 18:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I remember the first open proxy attack. I don't know much about Bambifan except that he never goes away. I think we are at a higher level of vandalism, or it may be that since I'm online more (although I am busy IRL), I see more of it. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I too remember the first iteration of this latest open proxy vandal (we've had others) as I was online at the time. We shall agree to disagree about the current level of vandalism, it's only up because of this proxy vandal. Bambifan is a persistent noise here, just like he is at enWP. BTW: Just because you are the only one editing, does not mean others are not online. fr33kman talk 18:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I then will rephrase my comment: Admins do not respond quickly to problems 24-7 (especially with QDs). I think this version is more accurate. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
It hardly matters. MC8 (b · t) 18:54, Wednesday August 26 2009 (UTC)


Hey, I was confuzzled by your comment. Could you explain over at my talk page? Regards, MC8 (b · t) 18:40, Wednesday August 26 2009 (UTC)

Done. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey... your doing great work. If I might make a suggestion :P attempt to wait a bit before tagging an article as unsourced if you see an experienced editor starting it. They may add a source soon. Please keep up the good stuff! Very best, NonvocalScream (talk) 19:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Readding tags is unrequired. MC8 (b · t) 22:01, Wednesday August 26 2009 (UTC)
? I'm confused. It's a different article. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Consider it a different statement that didn't require a new section. MC8 (b · t) 22:05, Wednesday August 26 2009 (UTC)
OK. I didn't readd the tag. It was never there. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Just letting you know

Just to let you know, as I know you like to look at a lot of my edits that my work on WWE Heat is not complete as I will be looking through it and adding more content if necessary, just thought I'd let you know. Afkatk (talk) 22:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I like looking at everyone's edits. It's amazing the amount the stuff they miss. I added a comma to a date per MOS. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Well I was just letting you know since I've had some stuff deleted on here in the past which I was meaning to go back to. Afkatk (talk) 09:33, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edit(s)

Could you please explain how this warning was needed? I gave him/her warnings, and the edits you apparently warned the user about were made prior to the last warning I made. Mythdon (talkchanges) 00:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I was giving the IP a final warning for the purposes of VIP. I have requested a block (socking). Griffinofwales (talk) 00:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Could you please show me your diffs, or a link to your request? Mythdon (talkchanges) 00:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
WP:VIP. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I had a feeling that it might be a sock too. I mentioned it on IRC in #wikipedia-simple. :) --Bsadowski1 00:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay. Mythdon (talkchanges) 00:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't use IRC because I would probably get addicted to it. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:20, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


Hello, there is a request for check user, in which your are mentioned. See here. --Barras || talk 11:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It seems that everything came out fine. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Watch The Ride

This is the revision i used: Watch The Ride EN I only edited a couple bits from it. Pjanaway (talk) 15:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Couple bits? Leave the link on the talk page with a note saying that you used content from enWP. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok sure thing Pjanaway (talk) 15:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi! The cleaning of the sandbox is not needed. A bot do this always once an hour. Barras || talk 17:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I was reverting vandalism. The IP removed the sandbox notice. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
So did you. MC8 (b · t) 17:25, Saturday August 29 2009 (UTC)
See below. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
If there is no personal attack, harassment or something else, so it is ok. The sandbox is for test and vandalism. --Barras || talk 17:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Do I wait for the bot to add the notice again, or do I add the notice and leave the other content alone? Griffinofwales (talk) 17:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Imo are edits on the sandbox useless edits. I wouldn't change it, even if the template was removed. I see only a reason for edit the sandbox to make a test or to revert harassment, personal attacks and so on. Barras || talk 17:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I have now rolled back my edit to the sandbox. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but this is the next pretty useless edit. Absolutly unneeded. Barras || talk 17:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
The rollback? I'll leave it for the bot, although it was probably unneeded. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Category deletion

Hi, could you tell me why you've requested deletion of Category:Mauritanian people? I realise it has only one person in it at the moment, is that why? I'm not really familiar with all the policies & guidelines here at Simple English Wikipedia and I don't want to go around creating a load of categories that are going to be deleted, so would be grateful if you could explain the reasoning. Thanks, --Belovedfreak (talk) 23:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

See WP:Categories. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Presumably because there should be three or more articles in the category. How come that comes under "house keeping" for Quick Deletion? Sorry if I'm being dense, just trying to get my head around the differences between here and en.wikipedia. Thanks, --Belovedfreak (talk) 23:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
G6 is for anything that doesn't fall under the other criteria, and I couldn't find one that applied to the specific situation. I thought about C1 but it says empty cat, so it didn't really apply. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I'll try to make sure there are more relevant articles before I make categories.--Belovedfreak (talk) 00:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually G6 is for very specific things. The correct move would have actually been to nominate it for deletion. -DJSasso (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Not per your comments at WT:DP, that's actually why I used it. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I have never told people to use G6 for anything. You might want to reread. G6 is for deleting administrative pages, For example if we had a log of quick deletions that needed to be done, and once they were done we deleted the list. -DJSasso (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

<-You're right. I'm sure I remember you saying that. It's against the rules anyways. RFDs are more for stuff where the notability is questionable but not QDable or for anything that isn't against the rules but isn't for this WP (IMO). The creator of the cat now knows what the rule is and we saved ourselves time by avoiding RfD. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Right and you personally had no idea if he was going to add more people to the category. Thus you should not have tagged it for QD. You work to fast and should stop patrolling RC the way you do. It scares off editors. We may have saved an Rfd but you probably permanently scared away an editor. -DJSasso (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Nope, I actually didn't, the user understood after reading the cited rule, and has continued to edit. I taught the user something, and the user has said that he will pay attention to that in the future. I will discontinue to QD cats, unless they meet C1. Is that a compromise? Griffinofwales (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Removing of QD template

Hello! I want to inform you, that you aren't allowed to remove a qd tag, esp. on an article which you created and when the qd is ok. That can (and will from me) be seen as vandalism. See this as warning. Don't do it again. Barras || talk 09:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, MC08 MC8 (MC8 changed this, providing original text) already told me. I'm not used to being on the receiving end of a QD. Why was the QD ok? Griffinofwales (talk) 19:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Gettysburg Address--that's not why?

In your opinion, why is the Gettysburg Address so famous? Purplebackpack89 (talk) 20:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it isn't famous because of those exact words. I would say it is famous because of how and why he said it. Find a source saying that it's famous for that reason and I will accept it (I will also look for a source). Griffinofwales (talk) 20:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Joe Biden

Your addition of the chairmanships, which I assume was from enwp, is OK, except for one's redlink city. Maybe you or I should do something about that. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 21:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

It is from enWP, and I might get around to the redlinks later. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I notice Richard Lugar and Jesse Helms appear a lot of times in that list, so I'll throw up some stub articles for them. You can expand them or throw up other articles if you want Purplebackpack89 (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
That works. I will be watching RC, and add the stuff as you create them. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

George W. Bush

I have undid your revert, but I urge you to find a reference like you said you would. Mythdon (talkchanges) 01:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like your citation isn't working. Mythdon (talkchanges) 01:53, 31 August 2009 (UTC) Never mind, you fixed it. Mythdon (talkchanges) 01:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


With regards to this edit: the article was protected when he added that. In fact, you also added a semi-protected template to it just a few weeks ago ([2]). There was no need to revert Techman224 since it was protected at the time he added the template. Either way (talk) 16:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Protection was removed shortly after. Techman224Talk 16:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
He added the incorrect template. The template he added indicated that the page was fully protected. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, he is correct on that, I was trying to get the correct lock, and it gave me the full protection lock. I was trying to get it to the correct lock but protection was removed. Techman224Talk 16:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm still trying to decide whether to use the template you used. IMO it's ugly, but it does work, unlike the other one. The other one has more reasons and a more organized system, but doesn't work. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
That's not what you said in your change summary though. You said "it's not protected." He used the wrong syntax thinking it would result in a semi-protected template instead of a fully-protected template. Could have easily been fixed rather than reverted. Either way (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, when someone refers to protected, it means fully protected, as can be seen in the pp templates. Sorry about the confusion. I didn't know how to correctly use that template since there isn't a doc page, and so I couldn't fix it. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Protected doesn't always mean fully protected. Please stop trying to "correct" people and focus on actually writing articles. -DJSasso (talk) 16:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
What Djsasso said. Having been around Wikipedia for over three and a half years, I know what protected means, and I know that it is used for all contexts of protecting a page, not just full protection. Either way (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

<-With the pp templates it does, and that's what I always understood. Stop worrying about me and writing articles. I'm happy where I am, learning stuff, cleaning articles, and reverting vandalism. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Dan Morgan

You added Dan Morgan (bushranger) real name was "John Fuller" which it wasn't. His birth name was Daniel Owen (named after mother) as cited in the article. Even though his father was named Fuller it was not a name he used. Unless you can provide references you should revert this change. Peterdownunder (talk) 23:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Good point. If I don't find a source in a few minutes, I will revert. Thanks for pointing that out (I was using enWP). Griffinofwales (talk) 23:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
DONE! Griffinofwales (talk) 00:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Well done! --Peterdownunder (talk) 00:21, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
You made do some more work on Morgan, his name was even more complicated than I thought! I have added some pictures from a trip I went on earlier this year. --Peterdownunder (talk) 12:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Joe Lieberman, Independent Democrat

The reason I linked IndDem to Joe is because he is the Independent "Democrat". the last time he ran for Senate, he was defeated in the Democratic primary, and then ran in the general election on the "Connecticut for Lieberman" ticket, whose platform was "Joe Lieberman wants to get elected to the Senate again, and he doesn't care whose toes he has to step on to get there. For this, he was kicked out of the Democratic Party. If I create an Indepedent Democrat, it'll look like this:

An Independent Democrat is someone who agrees with the Democratic Party on many issues, but prefers not to call himself a Democrat or be in the Party. Former Indepedent Democrats included Zadok Casey and Strom Thurmond. The only Independent Democrat in office today is U.S. Senator and former Vice Presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, who was kicked out of the Democratic Party when he formed "Connecticut for Lieberman" to get back in the Senate in 2006.

You can paste that if you want. Cheers, Purplebackpack89 (talk) 17:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I knew that Joe was the only ID. I'm busy right now but I should get to it in 30 minutes or less. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Prez Pro Tem

If I remember right, the President Pro Tem of the Senate is the Senator selected by the party in power to preside in absence of the VP (and often, it's a long abscence, since VPs like Dick Cheney head off to undisclosed bunkers). In other countries, and perhaps in the US in the past, the President Pro Tem can be anybody. However, as an outgrowth of Senate courtesy, the President Pro Tem has always been the most Senior Senator of the party in power (and for the Republicans, it used to be Strom Thurmond, then Ted Stevens, and if they get the Senate back in 2010 it'll be Richard Lugar; for the Democrats/now, it's Robert Byrd, and Ted Kennedy would've have gotten it if Byrd had died instead of him). My only reaction to the previous definition was that I've never heard the term "Senator in power" or "Congressman in power" used. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right. In the US, any senator can be pro tem, but it is customary for the longest serving senator in the majority party to serve as pro tem. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


I was wondering if you could take a look at megabook and give some feedback. Any problems? Suggestions? Thanks, MC8 (b · t) 23:12, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)

Some very nice tools. Do you want me to install them? Griffinofwales (talk) 23:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
<insert affirmative nod here> MC8 (b · t) 23:18, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I just checked RC, and I see my name highlighted everywhere. I notice that it highlights my user pages and my user name on RC. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, that bit worked :) MC8 (b · t) 23:27, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)

<-I don't know about pink, it looks weird. I'd prefer something a bit darker. Maybe you could create an option that allows users to choose? Griffinofwales (talk) 23:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Pink stands out. Red, blue, purple and green are taken, yellow looks strained. Any other colours? MC8 (b · t) 23:30, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know purple and green were taken. I just tested PseudoDeleter. I don't like that I can't see the QD template. Could you install an automatic refresh after the tag is place? Griffinofwales (talk) 23:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Green is taken by one of the scripts on wikt:, purple is the default visited-link colour. Yes, I could, but it would slow it down. It does save it, though! MC8 (b · t) 23:37, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)

<-It might be my comp (new one coming next week!), but when a page is loading, the orange new messages box is there. When the page finishes loading, it goes away. Is that something I have to live with? Griffinofwales (talk) 23:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

User:foo/bar.js is parsed last when a page is loaded (so everything else loads first, then monobook.js loads last). No way around that I'm afraid, other than getting a faster connection. MC8 (b · t) 23:45, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)
And I just noticed that when I created John Fuller, the orange box did not go away after I finished saving. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Hm. Not sure why that is, it's probably a quirk of the software. I've never noticed it do that yet. What browser are you using? MC8 (b · t) 23:45, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)
Firefox. What's the yellow caution sign in the corner for? Griffinofwales (talk) 23:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Wand: "Woo, everything works!". Yellow sign: "Hey there, $wgUserName, there's a new update. Drop by User:Microchip08/megabook and see what you're missing!". MC8 (b · t) 23:53, Tuesday September 1 2009 (UTC)
I just installed a new version! There's something new?! Griffinofwales (talk) 00:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

<-Remove the QD tab from special pages. It doesn't work (I tried with RC), but remove it anyways. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC) Add the QD tags to non-existent files (see contribs, edit summary is QD G2). Griffinofwales (talk) 18:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC) I love your my talk flashing thing, but with the orange banner, I could view the diff of the change without going to my talk. Is there any way you could integrate that into the program? Griffinofwales (talk) 21:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:QD#G2 is "test page". Yes, it's possible, but it might take a while. by the way, #wikipedia-simple MC8 (b · t) 21:15, Wednesday September 2 2009 (UTC)
I don't use IRC. Well, not yet anyways. It would probably take too much time away from WP. WP:QD#G2 is "test page". . This has what to do with anything?
You said Add the QD tags to non-existent files (see contribs, edit summary is QD G2). And it supplements Wikipedia, it doesn't take it over. MC8 (b · t) 21:31, Wednesday September 2 2009 (UTC)
Well the page is gone now, so it won't show. I just created a talk page, and when I did, the orange box popped up and stayed. Does it stay when I create a page (using Firefox)? Griffinofwales (talk) 21:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

<-In response to your edit summary, so that's why admins pop out of nowhere to block a user and then disappear again! I always wondered how they knew something was going on. Anyways, I just used your welcome tool, and I was wondering whether you could add an automatic edit summary (like HotCat). That way, I could pop up a talk page, click alt-shift-s, and welcome the user without touching the mouse. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC) I was wondering whether you could modify your welcome tool so that when I click on an IP's talk that has not been created, the default is {{welcomeip}} and not {{welcome}}. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC) The PseudoDeleter icon and the change status button have disappeared from articles. They do appear when I'm in the article editing box however. I tried QDing an article while I was on the editing page, and it never tagged it. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

How would I modify it? How can you decide whether an IP is an IP? I could do it, but the only way I can think of would block User:Mike.lifeguard. MC8 (b · t) 21:58, Saturday September 5 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I thought it would be easy, but oh well. It's not that hard to add the extra part. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Is it all the same rules? Hehe I wanted to do Ireland (Ancestor's native country and am very proud to be Irish) but was already taken.

Irish Letter from Mother to Son

  • It was so windy that one of our chickens laid the same egg four times.
  • True friends stab you in the front.

Irish Toast

  • Here's to eyes in your head and none in your spuds.

Irish Saying

  • Death leaves a heartache none can heal,
  • Love leaves a memory no one can steal.

— This unsigned comment was added by Salixa (talk • changes).

The person with the most GAs at the end of November wins. Since the user that is hosting the cup is on an indef wikibreak, somebody will figure something out. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Question. Do we need references here? --Salixa (talk) 21:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
YES! Read WP:MOS and criteria for GA. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I know how to do refs. I just happened to see one without refs and wondered. Oh and Lipizzaner I just started 2 mins ago. See my reason for protesting at the talk page. Just a misunderstanding I hope. --Salixa (talk) 22:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Well done!

Barnstars moved User:Griffinofwales/Awards and more#Barnstars

Thanks. I will move these barnstars to my barnstars page in a few hours. Very busy in RL right now. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


Please do not transclude others requests for adminship. The creation of an Rfa page does not signify that they are actually requesting it yet. A request is not considered to have been made until the person themself has transcluded the page. A candidate may have been intending to take awhile to craft their request prior to posting it. -DJSasso (talk) 22:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know that. Since it was a self-nom, and users had already started voting, I thought that it could go on the RFA page. Sorry, Griffinofwales (talk) 22:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah people shouldn't have voted either. But its all good. Just wanted to warn you. No harm no foul. -DJSasso (talk) 01:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh come on...

[3] Use some sense, please; that was a painfully silly revert. EVula // talk // // 05:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

See User talk:Barras. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit conflict

You did know that I was working on Portland, Indiana, right? --Bsadowski1 21:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

No, I did not, although I noticed that you added the website. Try using {{inuse}}. It helps me and other users. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Generally if somone edits something it's a courtesy to leave it five/ten minutes for them to continue, not pounce on it straight away. {{inuse}} is only useful when multiple people are editing something, or if you are going to be editing for large amounts of time. Goblin 21:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!
 (change conflict)  You expect us to add {{inuse}} to every article you work on? You stalk RC; and therefore you edit whilst someone else is editing (I for one edit in pairs). Oh, and happy 5000th edit (you were on 4999 when I hit    edit    on this page). MC8 (b · t) 21:49, Saturday September 5 2009 (UTC)
 (change conflict)  And by the way, linking out to "sister" projects is just fine. Don't bother "correcting" it in the future as you did with the Jupiter article. We're here to create an expansive and useful encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
To allow you to edit even quicker. MC8 (b · t) 22:01, Saturday September 5 2009 (UTC)

<-@MC last edit:Why thank you, I hadn't noticed. I thought I was in the low 4000s. What does IRC have to do with editing quicker? @TRM: It's not that, but the template is misleading. When I first stumbled across it, I thought it was great, until I realized that it links to en articles, which may not even exist (as with Jupiter). Instead, we should be able to add parameters for the different projects, sort of like {{other wikis}} at SEWQ. @MC1st edit: What? Griffinofwales (talk) 22:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Click the link. See what it does. Think about my edit summary. MC8 (b · t) 22:21, Saturday September 5 2009 (UTC)
Most weird. I'm checking IRC now. I like simple Wikipedia better. Much better than a chat room. :) Griffinofwales (talk) 00:11, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

My new article Soft law

I want to put the suitable "plantilla" (the message that we remember to simplify). I know that my article yet is not simple. You can delete it if you feel you duty. Fonsi80 (talk) 00:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

plantilla = template. The template you want is {{simplify}}. Thanks for working on it. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for cleaning up after me, Griffin. Sorry for not adding the alternate reference to Motorcycle. Could you look at It does not really seem objective. Thanks! Mark P 987 (talk) 01:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you are right. I'll work on it. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey, great! Let me know if there is any way I can help. Mark P 987 (talk) 01:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I removed a lot, but if there is anything else, remove it. Happy to help! Griffinofwales (talk) 01:35, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, will do. Cheers Mark P 987 (talk) 01:36, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

"Our mini edit war", lolol

I'd be happy to... once I see you fully explain to my satisfaction what makes you think you don't need to do edit summaries, or listen to admins, and entitles you to cop an attitude like I've seen you show here since day one. (And I'm not the only one.) I expect most people would rather see a brief definition, than have to go to a full article, on a simple term like "digital remastering", and that's as much explanation as I think I need to give (and more than I should have to). If there is no Wiktionary entry... so what?! If you're so concerned about it, what's stopping you from creating one, like I just did?! (And again, should not have had to do.) "Edit war", my foot. I'd call it a reversion of your needless, hairsplitting edit, which appears to be your stock in trade. Don't bother me again, unless and until you change your attitude. Zephyrad (talk) 07:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit war is when one user undos/reverts another user's edit. I did use an edit summary and I always do. The reason I didn't create one is because 1. I'm not a Wiktionarian (or whatever they call it), and have no clue what the proper format is, and so I would mess up anyways. In the end, this had a good result, since you created the page. So my needless, hairsplitting edit actually helped something. Oh, and digital remastering is not a simple term. Griffinofwales (talk) 13:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


Somebody nominated you Purplebackpack89 (talk) 16:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Re on IRC. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
For the purposes of transparency pertaining to the forum relating to the unrestriction of user rights, please summarise the dialogue for us. This is especially needed if you decide to run for adminship. MC8 (b · t) 16:36, Wednesday September 9 2009 (UTC)
Can be found here Purplebackpack89 (talk) 18:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Also, mute because he declined Purplebackpack89 (talk) 18:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Barnstars moved User:Griffinofwales/Awards and more#Barnstars.

Scout a rank?

Sorry to correct you, but Scout is a badge, but not a rank. It's basically a badge without rank. This quote explains it:

The advancement program for Boy Scouts and Varsity Scouts in the Boy Scouts of America is symbolized by the earning of seven badges, six of which are considered ranks.

Purplebackpack89 (talk) 18:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, doesn't make much sense to me, but OK. Thanks for fixing that. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


Moved somewhere else. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


You might want to fix that :P . I'm not sure how to ref but if you have trouble maybe look at some other articles and try copying the MoS? --<font=Comic Sans MS>S3C'R3T 20:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I had forgotten to fix that. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


I wanted to let you know, I should be beefing up the John Cena, The Legacy (professional wrestling) and WWE Breaking Point articles soon, so I just wanted to let you know so you don't interrupt my cluster of edits. Afkatk (talk) 14:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I won't but I recommend {{inuse}}. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I just thought I'd let you know, since I know you are used to keeping up with the edits on this Wiki and often make corrections. Afkatk (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Err, what? It's entirely up to the editor if they use {{inuse}} or not, and is only suggested for big edits. As i've said before, it's a common courtesy for other editors not to pounce on an article straight away if an editor is working on it, but to leave it 10-15 minutes first. This is called a courtesy. If an editor is making lots of short, quick edits then {{inuse}} is completely pointless. It also goes quite a bit against consensus editing. Courtesy is a basic life skill, I suggest you learn it. Goblin 18:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!
I read your earlier comment. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh Yeah

I forgot, but I wanted to ask you about transferring [4] over here, I've tried transferring it over in previews but it always looks different, and I wanted to know why. Afkatk (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Yo, just copy it over, and then you'll probably need to transwiki some more templates too. Bring it over, then drop me a message on my talk and i'll tell ya what you're missing. Goblin 18:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!
Ah, Thank you. Afkatk (talk) 18:36, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


I just wanted to let you know the pre-exiting edit on WrestleMania XXV was correct beforehand, please feel free to ask me about stuff like this in the future like you have in the past, the WWE did refer to it as the 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania (despite it only being the 24th). Afkatk (talk) 22:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Then change the title of the article, and have redirect. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The Event itself was WrestleMania XXV though, though it was referred to and billed as the 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania, hence why its labelled that in the first paragraph. Afkatk (talk) 22:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, have WMXXV first, and then in parentheses, put the 25th anniversary thing (I can do this too if you want). Griffinofwales (talk) 22:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
No I think its fine as it is. Afkatk (talk) 22:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The problem is is that the WM XXV thing is at the very end of all the bold. The first one should usually be the title. Instead, it's the last one. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Then re-order them if its such a problem. Afkatk (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, I just wanted your input. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome. I've edited on a few different projects now but I think Simple was quickest to spot me:) WereSpielChequers (talk) 01:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Welcome! Griffinofwales (talk) 01:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


Do you have like an MSN Account where we can Instant Message each other? Afkatk (talk) 01:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

IRC is better. I am on right now. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
IRC never understood how to use the thing tbh. Afkatk (talk) 01:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
? It works fine for me. Same as Windows Live, plus I can keep a log of the conversation. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Purplebot's actions

Somebody created my bot/alt account before I had even finished setting it up, and when I was AFK. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 04:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC) Moved somewhere else. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC) Have some cookies to make up for the trouble I've caused Purplebackpack89 (talk) 05:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.

For saving Swift Current, Saskatchewan from deletion but i have one concern that if i make a mistake on an stub entry User:Majorly will delete it yet possible block me. Could you help? (talk) 23:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC) Thank you.

Keep the wording simple, but informative, and try to put as much content in as possible (as long as it makes sense). If it gets deleted again, WP:RFU is the place to go. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Your Back!

I haven't seen you in awhile Griffin glad to see you back helping out. (talk) 14:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

You're one of my IP friends? I was on vacation, but I'm glad to be back. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Finally, Griffinofwales is back! —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 16:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:) Griffinofwales (talk) 16:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Could you please stop...

editing pages that are brand new as soon as they are created. People might actually be planning to do something with them. -DJSasso (talk) 17:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)'s a wiki. Sorry about that. I will slow down. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
It generally considered bad mannors to jump on a brand new article which is clearly undergoing building and start changing things. For example you were going to remove a template that you mentioned was a bad template. How do you know I wasn't about to create that template? You've had this mentioned to you by others before. Please try and hold yourself back from jumping on new articles. -DJSasso (talk) 17:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I'd agree. Please use New changes to pick off vandalism etc, not to take control of new articles. As DJ says, the original editor may wish to continue to expand the article but your approach will actually put them off. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
OK. But I knew that you weren't going to create the template, because I saw you delete it. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast welcome!

Please keep watching the evolution page; I am thinking about making some more changes. SebastianHelm (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

(read the instructions)

There's no need to be rude using edit summaries. Where you place the pgood template is pretty much irrelevant. Just another example of you jumping on Recent changes. Please relax a bit. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that's rude. I have no clue why it should be at the bottom, but I do it because it says so. I was simply explaining my rationale. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
It makes no difference and I don't need you to tell me, via edit summary, to "read the instructions". Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh, then I will change the instructions. I thought it might affect the template in some hidden way. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
That's great. Perhaps now you could get involved with the actual content of the PGA rather than the exact placement of the template. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Vandalizing IP

Whats going on with this ip is it a open proxy or something and why hasn't it been blocked? Sorry just seems like this person wont stop. (talk) 03:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

We are waiting for an administrator. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
We'll be holding it off until then. —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 03:32, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Ohh Well I Hope everything gets sorted out okay. (talk) 03:34, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, it will. —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 03:35, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
It's been blocked. —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 03:41, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Moosehead Lake?

In the shape of the moose's head and antlers what image did you look at? (talk) 14:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Google Satellite. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
please have a look at this image. I think it really does look like a moose's head with the antlers but if its no good its no good sorry. anyway heres the screenshot.
I see the lake, I don't see the head. Please tell me where the head and antlers are supposed to be. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Okay last attempt lol where it says Moosehead is the moose's head and just follow the antlers if you don't see this that is fine no point in argueing over it so do what you feel is best. Sorry again for confusion. (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Also i guess google sat is pretty accurate. (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
It sort of looks like a Moosehead if you use your imagination. I will rephrase your sentence, and re-add it in a few minutes. Thanks for pointing it out. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Glad we sorted this out. (talk) 15:06, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate your help. (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent Changes flooding?

User:Mythdon is flooding the recent changes again with no sources tags. This has been an ongoing discussion is their anyway to help this? (talk) 17:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there is. I will talk to him. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


Did you read the message before you reverted was supposed to be a test... -DJSasso (talk) 15:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I thought it was a vandal. I have spoken to Barras about it. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

About a warning you issued...

You issued a warning here after you reverted a change of his. However, his change was made in good faith and definitely wasn't a bad one. Be more careful in future. Happy editing, Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 16:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Nancy is a place in France?? Griffinofwales (talk) 16:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
It is a fairly big town in France. See Nancy. Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 16:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
It's also a name, so I thought the IP was adding her name. Thanks for catching it. I need to be more careful. I have struck my warning. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
No harm done! Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 16:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Really. This is becoming a bit of an issue. You should start focusing on article work rather than berating other editors for things that are outside your knowledge. Hundreds of millions of folks could have told you that Nancy was a town in France. Your "warnings" are just serving to drive editors away. I would suggest either stop issuing warnings altogether, or check, double-check and triple-check every dubious edit before going ahead and warning new or IP editors. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I talked about it on IRC. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't really care at all about what you talked about on IRC. Nor do the people you turn away. Keep it "on wiki" and address your behaviour, sooner rather than later. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
On IRC w/ yot who understood that it was a mistake. I will check before I revert questionable stuff like that. AGF Griffinofwales (talk) 18:02, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Don't come and give me AGF when you did exactly the opposite on-wiki. I couldn't care less about IRC. It IS NOT Wikipedia. It is somewhere where gossipmongers go to devise nonsense. If you turn editors away and then explain it away on IRC, how the heck are they going to know that? If you make a mistake on-wiki, it's an on-wiki mistake, not something to be swept under the IRC carpet. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I struck my warning, and explained to Yot on IRC. It was a mistake, mistakes happen. I said sorry, and that I hope it doesn't happen again, and I am going to take measures to prevent it from happening. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
For the last time, explaining to others on IRC is all very well to those of you who seem to be convinced that IRC=Wikipedia. Take measures? Sure. Just don't assume bad faith again to such editors. IP editors do not participate in the cliquey IRC nonsense that goes on so how would they know that you'd made a mistake? Keep discussion on-wiki. IRC is fine for chats, definitely not fine for making Wikipedia decisions. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
WTF? You just told me you, and I quote, "[were] just saying thanks", not explaining. Fix your story, explain on wiki, and the build some ****ing wiki, please. Goblin 18:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!
 (change conflict)  To clarify, all actions on-wiki that involved this matter happened before I spoke with Yot on IRC. I struck my comment, and yot left a message saying that it was an incorrect warning. After checking the log, I did not explain my edits to Yot on IRC, I said thanks. I explained on-wiki. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:38, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
That's another conflicting story. Goblin 18:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

Amazing. And another reason to avoid IRC for this kind of thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC) <-The previous comment gives the most accurate summary possible of my communication with Yot. It may conflict with my previous comments for which I am sorry. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Shut up all of you will you. This is boring... We are not here to prove a point, but to write articles. He thanked me on irc, that's it. He also thanked me on wiki. End of. Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 18:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
"Shut up all of you will you"? Sorry but that's not what I want to hear from an admin. I'm extremely disappointed in both you and Griffin here. You both need to take a look at your use of IRC, seriously. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Seriously though, TRM, this anti-IRC business is getting tiresome. Some people cannot use IRC responsibility, yes, but continually taking the opportunity to bash it is inappropriate too. Many of us use it on a daily basis, are there are better things to do than complain about it. Majorly talk 19:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Seriously again Majorly, the IRC thing is a crock. This Wikipedia beyond all others uses IRC subversively and pathetically. I know there are many who use it usefully but there are scores more who use it to undermine the ethos of a wiki, and then bring the results across. I was specific to those users of IRC to whom I was critical. You, and other considerate users, were not amongst them. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry TRM, I'm a great fan of yours but I have to call you on this one. I used to be a massive IRC sceptic. I thought all kinds of evil plots were devised there. Then I downloaded a client and joined. It's boring! Apart from the very useful channels for vandalism and the various bots that dump RC into the channels, it is a pretty dull place. Often times I've looked at the screen at my IRC client and thought it really should have tumbleweed rolling through it. I've personally never seen a "plot" take shape on IRC, nor have I seen a decision taken that would effect the community at simpleWP. Yes, I've seen discussions of the type "does anyone think we should warn that anon one more time or just block him now?" Sure, so what. As for making some sort of arrangements in secret to control aspects of the project; nonsense! I've never seen it, and I'm convinced it's merely the figment of the imagination of those who have never partaken of the regular dullness that is #wikipedia-simple. With great respect, yours fr33kman talk 03:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Hey Fr33kman. As I said before, there are many people who use IRC just fine, but it can't just be entirely down to my warped imagination that many, many times, both here and on enwiki, do we suddenly see "as per IRC" as a seemingly perfect explanation for decisions made. That's what I object to. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

You do great work here

I have read some of the conflicts going on but I personally just wanted to say I think your a great member of this team and you do great work. (talk) 20:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

You really should create an account. I keep losing your history because your IP keeps changing. Besides that, thanks for the compliment. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
I Guess i could log in as Negano for a little bit... but i usually just use my ip and your right idk how many ip's keep changing lol. (talk) 20:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh..right. I remember that you had that account. Use it, it keeps your history and talk messages all in one place. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Justin Roberts?

One site says hes a childrens music creator another says there is another JR that is an announcer for wrestling? If you get a chance maybe you could sort them out??? or i can try? Thanks Negano (talk) 03:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right. The English Wikipedia uses Justin Roberts for the announcer and Justin Roberts (musician) for the musician, but you don't have to do that. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Your archive

Little heads up...last time you archived, you deleted the link to your archive. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 00:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice catch. The bot is not supposed to do that. I'll fix it. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Diff? I can't find any evidence of the link existing although I thought one existed. Weird. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Your RfA

As I was telling Fr33kman, I'm pretty set in my !vote. However, I've asked you three optional questions, which if you decide to answer them and particularly wow me with your answers, I'm open to changing my mind. Warmly, – Katerenka (talk • contribs) 07:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll get around to it sometime today. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:15, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Status Offline?

It says your offline. Didn't know if you wanted to fix that or not. YonDio (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I try to remember. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

flathead lake infobox?

It looked good just had some errors in it. YonDio (talk) 22:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Rather large ones. If you look at the diff, it had several operating errors, however I know someone who knows how to fix them. It will get replaced sometime today. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


Hi. You welcomed me on Simple English, for both my primary and alternate accounts this tonight (for me it's 22.28). I was putting redirect templates to my home wiki, non-Simple English, on my user pages as i can't take messages on 11 different project sites for two accounts (22 talk pages) and hope to respond in a timely manner. Thank you for the welcomes. As you can see simple English is going to be a challenge for me. I am not likely to contribute a lot at this time. delirious & lostTALK and jh0367TALK 04:40, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hope you come back and enjoy it here. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I read your admin nomination. You really should have READ my page before writing. Chill out & slow down. SUL gives you an account the moment you view a page in the project. My only edits so far on simplewiki have been my user & talk pages putting in notice to write me on enwiki, and HERE on your talk page. I've been around for many years. Welcoming me was a bit odd to do, as well as being a turn-off to simplewiki. delirious & lostTALK 02:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I know, I only welcome users that have edited (changed). A welcome is a welcome, and I don't think it was odd. Plus, you get a bunch of handy links if you decide to come back. Don't see the turn off part but it's not me. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Editing my user page to put up a soft redirect notice that you ignored by welcoming me on my simplewiki talk page is hardly contributing to the project. Perhaps you ought to check what that first edit is before you jump to welcoming. My first edit was in userspace using proper templates and a customised signature that links to my enwiki pages. I moved your welcome to my enwiki talk page, and changed the links so that they still work with simplewiki. delirious & lostTALK 06:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I saw the edit...if you decide to come back, you will have to a bunch of links that you can use. Where is the lose part? Griffinofwales2 (talk) 14:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

This is really odd. Welcoming someone is a bad thing? I don't get it. Majorly talk 14:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Quite. I think Deliriousandlost is taking things a little bit too seriously. A welcome is usually a good thing, no matter how experienced one is on other wikis. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I just love how he does something i ask not to be done and people criticise me. If i could remove simplewiki from my SUL i would. Shall i welcome each of you? I don't know you but i am guessing it is rather ridiculous to do so. I put up the bloody redirects specifically so that i would NOT get welcomes everywhere i read an article. Griffinofwales didn't even bother to look, he just stuck a welcome on a talk page, like is done to so many others out of habit. And if he did look then it was done in total disregard of my simple request, which is just rude. And yes, now that this little thing has blown up to involve 5 people it is getting outright frustrating. I already had one admin weigh in on this matter in IRC. Leave me alone. I haven't contributed anything other than to my user/talk page and this discussion and i am already hating simple wiki, which is supposed to be the friendly place to be. delirious & lostTALK 20:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Well there you go, he welcomed you, and you didn't want it. He was trying to be friendly. These outbursts really aren't. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
He is a welcomer junkie. No kidding this isn't friendly. He made it un-friendly the moment he welcomed me. delirious & lostTALK 21:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
So remove the welcome and call it done. This doesn't need to be a big deal. –Juliancolton | Talk 21:05, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Quite. As Majorly says, when welcoming someone, no matter how naive it was, becomes a bad thing, we may as well pack it all in. Delete, move on. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I did remove it. It went to my enwiki talk page. Then the two of you commented too. Semi-officially endorsed spammers are still spammers. And i have never found spam friendly or welcomed / welcoming. delirious & lostTALK 21:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Well job done. And we commented on his talkpage not yours. And no harm done. And please remember WP:AGF, no matter what you think of his motives. Calling him a "spammer" is way off the mark really. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
The Rambling Man, when Majorly and yourself decided to comment further on this you re-opened the discussion. Considering Griffinofwales and i had resolved it there wasn't any need for it any of this in the last 7 hours. It came across as antagonistic and had me again feeling bitter towards the whole matter. As to writing on my talk page, i have 2 accounts active on numerous projects (thanks to SUL creating them when i merely read an article) and by my last count i have 29 talk pages. My putting up soft redirects or interwiki redirects was so that someone writing me wouldn't be ignored for a long time simply because i never knew they wrote me. I don't have an aversion to use of my own talk pages, rather i was trying to promote the use of specific ones i regularly monitor. I do agree, calling Griffinofwales a spammer was too harsh of a word. I'm sorry Griffinofwales. delirious & lostTALK 21:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright, this discussion doesn't need to continue. Please just let it go and move on. Thanks. –Juliancolton | Talk 21:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Why? You felt the need to throw in more. Are we not now talking about the earlier talking? Can anyone drag this on any further? I'm sure someone will. Noone wants to leave it as resolved. Every time it is someone else that has to comment. To all new parties, See above - Griffinofwales and i had ended it before the 3 of you all decided to re-activate this by taking issue with me. Joining in to say "end it" is really only continuing it. It was ended, amicably as far as i know, some 8 hours ago. The subsequent comments have really become their own fight. It is very petty. Was there ever really a need for 4 new people to join in on something that was already resolved among the two directly involved parties? No. Can you just let Griffinofwales have the last say in this please, so it can AGAIN be done. delirious & lostTALK 22:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
If you want it done then why did you not just leave it and walk away. The reason people keep commenting is that it keeps poping up on the recent changes list. This wiki is alot more tightly knit than en so almost everything gets commented on. If you want it to end just walk away and don't reply. -DJSasso (talk) 22:46, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I did that and now there is a 5th additional person (4th here) commenting. Noone cares that it WAS OVER.... they re-started it. delirious & lostTALK 23:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Right, because you are being quite rude. We are hinting very strongly to just stop replying and trying to get the last word. -DJSasso (talk) 23:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
And was i not blunt enough in saying Griffinofwales already had the last word and that that was not good enough for all of you, evidenced by the subsequent comments of newcomers to a resolved disagreement. How rude is that? I do believe i already clearly wrote that we should stop and let Griffinofwales AGAIN have the last word when he comes online but that was unacceptable too. I'm arguing in favour of letting Griffinofwales get the last word, as i am sure he will have something to say once he comes online. That is hardly trying to have the last word. In the mean time it is purely defending myself. delirious & lostTALK 23:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Are you done now? Griff has been online and has been ignoring you. All Julian said was that people should let it go and you jumped on him. You could hae just ignored him, I too also said you should just let it go cause its done, and you jumped on that as well, when you could have just ignored it and walked away. For the last time, just move along. There is nothing to see here. -DJSasso (talk) 00:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
You called me rude. That is not allowing it to end. That is a provocation considering my point is in part the rudeness of others. If it had ended with Giffin's last comment then fine, but since then other people have issue with me and it has been one long fight on the talk page of someone who is nolonger involved. I did not realise Griffin is online and abstaining. Julian told me to let it go AFTER i apologised to Griffin. Normally an apology is conceding and ceasing. Being subsequently told to cease is just a bit taunting. Being told to just delete Giffin's welcome after i had and had stated so here shows that people commented here without reading what they were commenting on. Can you image how frustrating that is to read? To answer your question, if the uninformed comments and insults are done then so am i. delirious & lostTALK 00:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
He was actually telling everyone to move on, not just you. And no I am sure they read what was going on, they were trying to be nice and trying to use tact to tell you to move on and quit being so rediculous. None of these were insults, in fact people went out of their way to try and be nice. However, you continue to be rude. But go ahead keep arguing. Doing so will only end up getting you blocked for disruptive editing. -DJSasso (talk) 01:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

(<--) Perhaps it's best if everyone simply moves on? fr33kman talk 01:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


Good taggings. Those statistics articles are making this "encyclopedia" a joke, along with the one-line stubs on places. Why don't you nominate them for deletion? Majorly talk 22:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


Sorry, I didn't notice. --Ricardo P. Any Questions? 03:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

It happens to me every once in a while. No harm done. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: 2nd Sandbox

I have replied. —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 03:58, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

And again. —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 16:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Could you fix an infobox for me?

Los Angeles Lakers. All information is correct, but something's amiss in the formatting. Thanks, Purplebackpack89 (talk) 16:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I imported the enwp template and saw that it was more or less the same. I made some corrections in the infobox from enwp; it looks good now. :) Pmlineditor  17:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Simple News Issue 12

GoblinBot3 (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


How is my contribution biased? Should I consider this an endorsement of sinful practices by Wikipedia? What gives you the right to undo my changes without discussion? Not everyone shared your radical homosexual, atheist agenda. (talk) 21:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Try reading WP:NPOV, and stop calling me names or you will be blocked. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Other headings message

Thanks for the heads up. As you can probably tell, I don't spend a lot of time on this version, but I'll make sure to keep it in mind for anything else I do in the future. Kaiser matias (talk) 00:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


Was Nevada State Route 673 deleted? I added this information to this Wiki and you delete it. Perhaps that is why this Wiki has no viewers. Your actions have made me unhappy. Please in the future do not delete facts or I were never edit here ever again! -Kluft (talk) 05:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Griffinofwales cannot delete articles as he is not an admin, he might of requested a quick delete though and and admin acted on it. --Bsadowski1 06:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I'll check on it. However, Bsadowski is correct. I do not delete articles, but I do tag them. Griffinofwales (talk) 12:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Never mind. I see now that it has been moved to your user space. The original deletion reason provided was WP:QD#A3. Griffinofwales (talk) 12:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wlcome

Ok, thanks for the information. --Javierito92 (talk) 19:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


Barnstar moved to User:Griffinofwales/Barnstars.

Thanks, Griffinofwales (talk) 17:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


Hey. I was going to revert my edit and leave your tagging up. Do you think we should leave it as G2 or change it?--Gordonrox24 | Talk 23:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah never mind. It's already gone. Thanks!--Gordonrox24 | Talk 23:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi and thanks for the welcome. TheRetroGuy (talk) 21:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Stub sorting

Hi Griff, would it be better to use your bot account for these? fr33kman talk 23:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe enable the flood flag on his account when he is sorting?--Gordonrox24 | Talk 23:50, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm also adding navboxes and fixing spelling (where applicable), but I am using the stub sort edit summary for everything. If you approve me for that, I can use the bot account. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
List is and I'll approve it. fr33kman talk 23:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
  Done at User:GriffinBot1. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject References Invitation

WikiProject References

Would you like to be a member of Wiki-Project References? Your support would be highly valued. To join, please click here. For more information see its homepage. Thanks. Liverpoolfan567 (talk) 13:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

GoblinBot3 (talk) 00:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


Hey Griff,

We normally let {{inuse}} stay on a page for about five days until removal. Also, it's generally good form to tell editors if you are removing their {{inuse}} tag.


Goblin 10:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

I saw the edit summary so I thought it was ok. Sorry Gobby, I'll let you know next time. Griffinofwales (talk) 10:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't stuff beans up your nose

Hi Griffin,

Out of curiosity, why was my edit deleted?


— This unsigned comment was added by Marcut (talk • changes).

The reason I reverted was because the {{soft redirect}} template was on the page. I have now restored your edit and removed the template. Thanks for your edits here, and remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ at the end of your comment. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for you welcome

It's always nice to get a welcome on a Wiki project! Phantomsteve (talk) 16:32, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Simple News Issue 14

--Barras (de) (talk) 23:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome message

Hi, Griffinofwales! Thank You for a welcome message. I know, that there are different rules about removing contents from own user discussion pages, therefore I ask, is it considered inappropriate, if I remove that message? For example, Estonian wikipedia considers that inappropriate and there is no welcome messages in Estonian wikipedia. What about simple English? Taivo (talk) 13:49, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

As long as you remove the entire section, and not specific comments, nobody will mind. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Editor review

Hey Griffinofwales: I noticed you have asked for an editor review. There are two other users who would also like to be reviewed. If you have time, could you please offer them your opinion? Thanks! EhJJTALK 00:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


Simple News Issue 15

Yottie =talk= 20:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

I see you have a new friend above me as well. TheWeakWilled (talk) 23:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

GoblinBot4 False Positives

Hey there!

I see that you recently either reported or commented on a False Positive for this Bot. Thank you for taking the time to do so.

Could I now please request that you add the same information to a bug on our Jira page, at!init.jspa?pid=10341&issuetype=1 - this allows us to keep better track of your bugs and implement changes to stop them from happening in the future.

Finally, please can you not revert errors (just the warnings) nor comment on False Positives and leave them to the developers, because there are wrong reasons being cited and it is getting harder to find which diff the reverts apply to.

Kind regards,

Goblin 10:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!
For and on behalf of the GoblinBot4/AntiVandalBot Development Team

I already talked to you about JIRA. Also, although I can see why you don't want me to revert the error, the content of the edit would be good, so I will have to continue doing the reverting, unless you have an alternative. Griffinofwales (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
And i've already spoken to you about it, i'm ignoring all reports from now on. I don't see what your problem is. Just create an account -_-. Considering i'm online for pretty much 24/7 I will get to the revert just as soon as you once i'm alerted to it, and a 5/10min/1hr reversion gap makes no difference at all... it's not a race. If you must revert because you're a trigger happy editor who thinks vandal reversion is a race, please at least supply a diff to me personally so that I can see it. People complain about the bot "failing", yet fail to realise that it won't fail if people actually told us when it didn't work correctly. Rant over. Goblin 21:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!
It's not 1 hour, usually it's at least 3 (especially with the one we are talking about). I didn't report it, and if the bot got some FPs I would report them. What does this have to do w/ vandal reversion? This is about reverting the bot (or so I thought). Griffinofwales (talk) 21:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

EhJBot3 working

Hello, Griffinofwales. You have new messages at EhJBot3's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

The bot is working, so no need to update WP:RC. EhJJTALK 02:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah..thanks, I had noticed that you had taken it offline, but I didn't see the message when you brought it back. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:35, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
No problem, just letting you know. EhJJTALK 02:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


Hello there Griffinofwales. I would be willing to nominate you for adminship now if you are willing to run now. It's been three months, and after looking through your most recent contributions, I believe that you will make a suitable administrator on this site. Please let me know if you would like me to nominate you. Cheers, Razorflame 04:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Unless I count wrong, it's only been 2, and even if it has been 3, I would like to wait till my editor review runs its course. Thanks for the offer though, it is appreciated. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:42, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


Barnstar moved to User:Griffinofwales/Barnstars. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, you do a great job too. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:52, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, but....

What kind of "threads" are you talking about, please? (I'm not being sarcastic or anything, but honstly..) Curiously, Pretty Lydie (talk) 09:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

These threads; that is, threads on talk pages. When you make a new reply it should go on the bottom of the page. The easiest way to do this is to scroll to the bottom of the talk page and click the next "[change]". After doing so, type what you have to say at the very bottom of the change box. Hope this helps. Katerenka Talk 09:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Making amends...

Moved somewhere else. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Neil Diamond


I am just curious... The revert you made on the Neil Diamond article, I think the IP that made the edit may be correct. In all my minimal readings on Neil I can't find anything that seems to back up what the article says. What do you think?--Gordonrox24 | Talk 01:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

It's sourced, so I'll do some more investigating. Thanks for pointing it out. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for catching that. Although it looks true, Google doesn't say anything about it, so I think it's a hoax. We can all use oversight. If you ever see anything wrong with my edits, please notify me. Thanks again, Griffinofwales (talk) 01:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Yeah it did look convincing, I almost reverted it myself. Thanks for looking into it!--Gordonrox24 | Talk 01:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

did u admin?

when did u become an adminstators at website? thank you. --Huik01 (talk) 04:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Griffinofwales is not an administrator. —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 05:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm,, thats odd... but i read the link and saw for myself. thank you. --Huik01 (talk) 05:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. —Mythdon [talk] [changes] 06:17, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, User:Mythdon fixed it. up for User:GriffinofWales]] --Huik01 (talk) 22:02, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

my user page just disappeared

hello. why did my user page just disappear? --Skychildandsonofthesun (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Because it never existed. You might be at the wrong Wikipedia. Try the English Wikipedia ( --Griffinofwales (talk) 02:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, your userpage is still here!--Gordonrox24 | Happy Holidays! 02:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Right. Thanks. The difference seems to be the "simple." prefix in the URL versus the "en." prefix -> versus I am not sure how they differ but I am sure I can figure it out easily. The larger question I am trying to solve, however, is why my customized signature is not loading properly in my posts when I sign with four tilde's. It works fine on my subpage: Any advice on this Griffinofwales? THANKS! --Skychildandsonofthesun (talk) 03:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
User:GriffinofWales , please reply to the autoconfirmed users talk page. immediatly thank you. --Huik01 (talk) 22:02, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Done? I responded. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Simple News Issue 16

Issue Sixteen
4th January 2010

Administrator News

Juliancolton | Talk 21:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

User talk: and Town

Hi, was just about to welcome this user. I don't think they actually removed info, instead just rejigged it into one paragraph instead of two? Kennedy (talk • changes). 12:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

You can welcome the user if you want. I will look at the diff later, very busy and have to go somewhere. Griffinofwales (talk) 12:59, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
No worries, I'll leave as is just now, not much difference really. Regards Kennedy (talk • changes). 13:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
My reversion looks correct. See [5], section "The United States". The sentence in the second line is incomplete. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
You are of course correct. It still took me several reads to see where you were coming from. :) Kennedy (talk • changes). 14:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

seperate heading

thankz Icek863 (talk) 20:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Your prepared article

looks good man!. --Icek863 (talk) 21:47, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


Woops! I think it would benefit us all if we could learn each others style of the English language. Thanks for fixing that :P --Gordonrox24 | Talk 00:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

u freaking deleted airwalks and not vans?

--Summerbreeze1134 (talk) 21:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Guy Perry

it has not been deleted of yet?— This unsigned comment was added by (talk • changes).

Griffinofwales is not an administrator. He cannot delete, but he can tag it for deletion. --Bsadowski1(Talk|Changes) 21:49, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


Thankyou for the barnstar and your kind words Peterdownunder (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for doing that. ···Katerenka (討論) 00:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Council, Idaho

One down, 25,000 to go! Good work though!! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, great job. Majorly talk 18:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Vandal Warner

Hi Griffinofwales!

You have placed a vandal warning here, which is great, but it seems to go out if order with mine. Mine was Vandalism 1. Yours was Vandalism 3. Wasn't 2 so posed to go next? I thought every vandal gets 4 warnings, unless they have done multiple edits without being warned once or they have done a very rude change. In that case, you can use the Only Warning. But I don't think you should go out of order. I-on 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Depending on the edit. His first edit was vandalism/test edit, which merited a lvl1 (we are AGFing). However, he would know after the first warning that his edits were vandalism. So, I gave him a warning (known as lvl3, compared to a caution, lvl2). Basically, if a user vandalizes again, I treat a lvl1 as a lvl2 and go straight to lvl3. Hope you understand. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

that's fine. I was just wondering. thanks for replying. I-on talk sign! 14:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


Barnstar moved to User:Griffinofwales/Barnstars. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Service awards

Hi Griffinofwales, thanks for your input, especially pointing me to the enwiki changes. Their discussion made interesting reading. I have come up with a modified proposal based on input from others, can you have another look and make a comment on Wikipedia talk:Service awards, thanks. Peterdownunder (talk) 11:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

message on chat

I saw your message on the chat. unfortunately, there are no admins online right now. can you believe it!? i can't. so were on our own for a bit. btw i supported you for admin. I-on talk sign! 14:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Annoying, isn't it? Thanks for the support. What's your nick by the way? Griffinofwales (talk) 14:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Whats my nickname? I-on. Is that your question? I-on talk sign! 14:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

On IRC. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

mccon9 I-on talk sign! 16:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Undelete Request

Hello. I am requesting Hunt Executive Search be undeleted. Much like the pages within the category (executive search) it is a page defining the organization. The organization is notable based on being a top performer in the industry as ranked by external and independent sources (cited in page). Also, it does not promote or solicit business. Please benchmark against the Michael listing within the category - it too is a fact based listing describing the organization and links of news articles and rankings. Thanks - please let us know what we need to do. (this was already deleted by one editor and reposted within minutes. please let us know why this is different from other pages? Thank you)

Griffinofwales is not a sysop/admin, so he cannot undelete it. :p --Bsadowski1(Talk|Changes) 22:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Maybe I misunderstood, I wrote Griffin based on this. If he/you can't help me, would you please advise who can? Thanks! "The page you wrote, Hunt Executive Search, has been selected for quick deletion. This is because the page was all nonsense. If you think this page should be kept, please add {{wait}} below the line {{QD}} and say why on the talk page. If the page is already gone, but you think this was an error, you can ask for it to be undeleted. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)" — This unsigned comment was added by Hehunt (talk • changes).

Any admin can undelete pages. For a list of admins, see Special:ListAdmins. The notice I left is an automated one that is created when I tag a page for quick deletion. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Your RfA

Please don't misplace this; they're hard to come by. :) Lauryn Ashby (d) 16:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey there, just wanted to let you know that in accordance with the community's wishes, I've promoted you to a sysop. Congrats! Let me know if you have any questions. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:37, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

  Congrats. You might care to subscribe to the cabal mailing list. Pmlineditor  14:39, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Congrats! And Pmlinediteor: The mailing list is my part :P Have fun with the tool, Griffin. -Barras talk 14:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Congrats. I was just about to close your RfA but looks like Juliancolton beat me to it. Someone should be by soon with your admin t-shirt. EhJJTALK 15:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't have your shirt but congrats anyway :) James (T C) 15:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations, Griffin! :) Lauryn Ashby (d) 16:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations. Razorflame 16:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
What are you waiting for? Delete the Main Page, Now!! Yottie =talk= 17:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah what Yottie said! hehe anyway, Congrats!--   CR90  21:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Grats Kennedy (talk • changes). 21:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


I'm not exactly new to this but you seem to know what you're doing. On the new changes page, what do the green numbers mean in brackets? Thanks. Thefartydoctor (talk) 18:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The number of bytes added. If the number is in red, that is the number removed. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Bambifan IP block

Hi, Griff. I blocked that same Mobile County School District IP at English for a year; all of Bambifan's known IP ranges have been blocked for at least that long. His las known contact over at English was via that IP when he tried to edit anonymously. A 48-hour block simply isn't going to keep him away; he'll be back sure as I'm sitting here once the block lifts. I've also systematically semi-protected all of his usual targets over there as well. This kid is crazier than an outhouse cockroach and it's going to take some drastic measures to keep him away. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

If he does (probably will) come back, he will get a much much longer block. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


Barnstar moved to User:Griffinofwales/Barnstars. Griffinofwales (talk) 19:09, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Right wiki?

I think I'm on the right wiki. This is the account that's been making the edits:

This is Simple English, not English. --Bsadowski1(Talk|Changes) 23:35, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 (change conflict) Nope, wrong wiki. You are at the Simple English Wikipedia. To report users that are vandalizing on the English Wikipedia, you should go here. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, got it, (old hat at edits, new at encountering vandals.) --Titomuerte (talk) 00:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Students at the UCLA‎‎

Hi! I just made a couple of changes to this block. I changed the notice on their talkpage to the correct one and I altered the block to be a softblock because people from that IP address should be able to create accounts, just not ones with loads of people behind it. Hope that's okay. TTYL fr33kman 22:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Still getting used to it. Thanks for letting me know. Griffinofwales (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
NP, glad you're enjoying it. Of course now you're getting to know that watching it is different from doing it, lol :) fr33kman 22:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

CR90 and nomming me

He mentioned that he'd like to give me the mop. I said I doubt the community would support it. What do you think? Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 05:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

If you are going to ask us what we think of you as a candidate, you might as well run it. What's the worst that can happen?--Gordonrox24 | Talk 19:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for this. I was trying to figure out ways to make it simpler, and behold, Griffin appeared. :) Very nice, thanks. Lauryn Ashby (d) 18:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


It's unlikely that you still require this bot account now that you have access to the flood flag (bot user). If you don't mind, I have removed the bot bit from it. If you still need it, just let me, or another crat know, and the bit can be restored. Cheers! :) fr33kman 01:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Good point. Thanks, Griffinofwales (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip, and I'll surely use it well! I was always confused.... But I hope I will improve better. Such a relief that I supported you on your RFA... Never knew you were so kind and helpful! Well, anyway, thankyou! I am,
Your humble, clumsy, and grateful servant
Belinda Lydia Tilney (talk) 05:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome and "See also" tidbit. I've been working on enwiki for a while and haven't really gotten the hang of how things work here on simplewiki. Funny seeing a welcome message, I don't think I actually ever got one on enwiki. But I digress...

Thanks again, Griffinofwales! Oxguy3 (talk) 05:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

i have a question, i request that the KISS page i edited be deleted because there is a WAY better page already, so why is there 2 pages for one subject, and why am i being threatend for helpling wikipedia by deleting a page that is already created???

Wrong wikipedia. There is only one article on that band on this wikipedia. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


Hello Griffinofwales,

in Seligenstadt you changed "< references / >" to "{ {reflist} }". What is the advantage? Greetings from --Tschips (talk) 09:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

No real advantage, as they both do the same thing. However, with {{reflist}}, the references show in smaller type, and you can put them in more than one column, which IMO looks better to the eye. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it looks much better. --Tschips (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Bambifan edits

Hi, Griff. That fool Bambifan has left more damage in his wake than any single vandal I have ever seen and I've been editing English on and off since 2002. His cross-wiki vandalism is unquestionably the worst. Rewarding him by letting him edit just because the edit happens to be positive is, in my opinion, counterproductive. I'm taking a break from English for awhile in order to add content here; BF101 or not, this site really does need expanding. A banned user just did a couple of new articles on the Commodore 64 and VIC-20 and I was intending to tag them for deletion. If they are deleted, you have my word that I will personally replace them. I don't think this individual belongs in the edit history as the original author. I know Simple needs authors, but not to the point of allowing known vandals. Just the customary $.02. Thanks.  :)--PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

He actually wants them deleted, so if you promise to replace them I'm ok with that (PBML's). James (T C) 22:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I think you should look at the G5 thread on WP:ST. It explains my reasoning better. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

You have my word as an admin at English.  :) I can't do them now, but I will from home after work. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Best, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

PS: Someone did in fact delete the articles. Consider them replaced. Really. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 22:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry.

Ugh, I went to revert this edit, but didn't check to see if it went through. Sorry! Generally I try not to be a butthead, but sometimes I make mistakes...--Isis(talk) 00:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem, happens to me too. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


/me curtsies. :) Lauryn 04:58, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


I understand your trying to help [6] there, but check this out [7]. I don't think she's what you think she is. Doesn't she seem kinda...weird. She squeaks like a mouse, she claims she's 9, her messages are downright abnormal, and she wants to vandalize. Keep a careful eye on her Griff. Ian ♠♣♦♥ McCarty 17:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


I'm considering nomming you for that. Seems like you could use the tool better than anybody else here Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 05:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Importer comes bundled with sysop. :) Lauryn 05:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah. So it's at a rollback level, sort of? Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 05:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Sort of, except it's harder to get, and is easier to abuse. Griffinofwales (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


how are you? --DflII (talk) 23:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Fine, thanks. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

{{RfA Statistics}}

Hey there. I noticed that you removed the template from Gordon's RfA, citing transclusion errors. Could you go into that in a bit more detail for me? From where I'm standing, the links work as they should -- what is it that I'm missing? Thanks in advance, — μ 01:00, Thursday February 25 2010 (UTC)

It works fine when you are viewing the page directly. However when you are viewing the page on WP:RFP all sorts of errors (the type in red) pop up. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

ip 67

bad stuff very bad. on violence article. cheers. Pagesabovebelief (talk) 23:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC).

Thanks. Now reverted. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


Squeak, squeak! Thanks for a-droppin' by. I was just gettin' lonely. Don't think me as a vandal, alrighty? Thanks. — This unsigned comment was added by Mella Mouse (talk • changes) on 05:35, 7 February 2010.


Thanks for signing into my Guestbook! It's very appreciated!! :) Belinda 12:19, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Simple News: Issue Seventeen

Issue Seventeen
1st March 2010


  • The QandA. Every month, a user will be interviewed by a member of the Simple News team. This idea was started by Kennedy. Interviews are generally taking by a member of the Simple News Team - to date this has included Bluegoblin7, Kennedy, Pmlineditor, Shappy and Yotcmdr.

This weeks interview is with Nifky?.

Click here for Nifky?'s interview!

Administrator News

Pmlineditor  12:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


Do you think you could stop posting the "great, where did TW go?" change summary with every vandal you warn? There's no need to keep posting it. Plus, someone seeing that who does not understand what "TW" is will see your change summary and not see the connection to the change you made, and that's the purpose of a change explain the change being made. Thanks, Either way (talk) 00:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll stop, but I was hoping I would annoy someone enough to actually find out what happened to TW. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Simple Talk or IRC would probably be better than posting it in change summaries on vandal talk pages. Either way (talk) 00:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Tried the latter. Waiting for EhJJ to come online. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Try talking to NVS. I think he was planning on screwing around with Twinkle. EhJJTALK 01:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, except his contribs don't show it. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't see any changes in Wikipedia or MediaWiki space that could account for this either, by any editor. Maybe it's because of the change to MediaWiki:Common.js. Twinkle is working fine for me (using Chrome and Vector), so perhaps it's specific to your setup. Try refreshing your browser (Ctrl+F5) and maybe it'll start working again...? Regards, EhJJTALK 02:24, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I think it's related to the change also. It also broke sysopdetector.js and markblocked.js. --Bsadowski1(Talk|Changes) 02:25, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

(outdent) Try it now, I removed some things from MediaWiki:Common.js. Warning is back for me, but the qd tab doesn't do anything. Lauryn (utc) 02:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

  • I shall try my fingers at it. NonvocalScream (talk) 03:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Should be working now, I don't know what actually caused the bug.  :| NonvocalScream (talk) 03:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I've been having trouble with Twinkle not being available off and on all day today... strange, I've never had that issue before. Did anything in particular work for you the other day to fix it? Kansan (talk) 02:44, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

No. It was something wrong with one of Scream's edits to Common.js. What type of problems are you having? Griffinofwales (talk) 02:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Occasionally, the "qd" and "warn" buttons are not showing up as available, as well as the "Rollback VANDAL" button. It hasn't been available for me for several minutes, but somehow, as I'm typing on your user talk page, I suddenly have "qd" as an option again. Kansan (talk) 02:46, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I also have that issue, especially with the rollback buttons when viewing diffs. It is rare for me to see the warn and qd buttons when I'm viewing a tp directly. However, if I open the edit window, they pop back up. I have never figured out why. The only time they seem to work for me normally is when {{schoolIP}} is on the page. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


I think you misconfigured this block by accident, perhaps. The block email, and block talk was enabled. Please consider resetting the block. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 01:51, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It's a sock. Bsadowski confirmed. No need to give socks another chance to abuse. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Er... was this a sock of someone who has previously abused the talk page, or special email tool? If not, the block was misconfigured. We don't by default shut people out of the wiki by default. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 02:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about that. After talking with CU, whoever this account belongs to has never abused a talk page. With all the PBML socks, I assumed bad faith. I'll be more careful next time. Griffinofwales (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
No issues... you do good work. :) NonvocalScream (talk) 02:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


) Can you take a look at the history section of Early Christianity at your convenience. I'm having considerable difficulty with the simplification and conversion of this section. Thank you for your help. With warmest regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 05:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


Please always be sure to check article histories before making quick deletions. Squeeze did not need to be deleted. The article was fine until two months ago when someone added the copy and paste from the English Wikipedia into the article. It could have been reverted or, at worst, selectively deleted rather than completely deleted. There was still a good version of the article in the history. I have restored that good version. Thanks, Either way (talk) 00:47, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Will do in the future, sorry for the problem. Kansan (talk) 00:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I actually did. Must have missed the diff. Griffinofwales (talk) 01:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Block change

I just arrived second, so I inadvertently reverted your change. Thank you for highlighting. --M7 (talk) 21:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem. It just seemed weird. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:43, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


Barnstar moved here. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane, no, it's a barnstar!!!

Barnstar moved here. Griffinofwales (talk) 04:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Simple News: Issue Eighteen

Issue Eighteen
13th March 2010


  • The QandA. Every month, a user will be interviewed by a member of the Simple News team. This idea was started by Kennedy. Interviews are generally taken by a member of the Simple News Team - to date this has included Bluegoblin7, Kennedy, Pmlineditor, Shappy and Yotcmdr.

This week, there are two interviews, with Bsadowski1 and CR90.

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User Articles
Pmlineditor talks about P(V)GA and WikiProjects in his fifth Simple News article.

The Commander's Choice

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—This unsigned comment was added by PmlineditorBot (talkchanges) 10:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

User talk:

I'm a bit confused by your deletion of User talk:, more specifically, your reason for doing so. If you could clarify it a bit for me, as I'm sure there's something that I'm missing, I would appreciate it. Lauryn (utc) 21:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

IP was never blocked. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Not sure how that falls under G7, but okay. Thanks.. Lauryn (utc) 21:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Fr33k created the page, and I checked with him to see why he created it (he forgot to block). Griffinofwales (talk) 21:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I know that fr33kman created the page, which is why G7 made no sense. Perhaps you could have added that to your deletion reason, but no matter. I appreciate the clarification. Thanks, Lauryn (utc) 21:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
He requested. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:47, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I understand that. Haha, I think we're having two different conversations. What I meant was perhaps you should have indicated that you had talked to fr33kman about the pages in your deletion summary. This would have eliminated my confusion and this conversation, lol. At any rate, it's not a big deal. I'm not confused anymore. I appreciate the clarification. Lauryn (utc) 21:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Simple News: Issue Nineteen

Issue Nineteen
20th March 2010


  • The QandA. Every week, one or more users will be interviewed by a member of the Simple News team. This idea was started by Kennedy. Interviews are generally taken by a member of the Simple News Team - to date this has included Bluegoblin7, Kennedy, Pmlineditor, Shappy and Yotcmdr.

This week, there are two interviews, with Classical Esther and Peterdownunder.

Click here for Classical Esther's interview!

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Pmlineditor talks about This Week in History and Simple News itself in his sixth Simple News article.

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The Commanders's Choice. For every edition, Yottie or Pmlineditor will be chosing articles that need creating, expanding or being attended to. Here is this edition's list:

PmlineditorBot (report errors) 11:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Google edit

The recent IP Google edit appears legitimate: See [8] Kansan (talk) 22:10, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Accident. Today must be my fail day..Griffinofwales (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
No worries.. I very nearly did the same thing too. Kansan (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
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