User talk:WorldTraveller101/Archive 1

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Thanks. WT101 (Chat • Count) 17:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia, WorldTraveller101! I'm PBASH607 and an active editor here. Thank you for your changes. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out Wikipedia:Questions, or send me a message on my talk page. I like to help new people, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like Wikipedia and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Hola sir. WT101 (Chat • Count) 18:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Tab-related templates

I was trying to categorize the tab-related templates you created recently, but I'm not sure how they get used. Could you write documentation for them so that I can figure out where to categorize them, and so that people could know how to use them? Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done. WorldTraveller101 15:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the ones you did. Copying the doc from enwiki actually brought the categories needed! There are still a couple that need doc/categories: {{PageTab1}} and {{PageTab2}}. Also, please remember to simplify text that you bring from enwiki, even on templates and their doc pages. Of course, a lot of templates don't have actual text on them, but their doc pages usually do. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 20:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you going to use all of these random templates that you're importing? Unused templates are frequently deleted, so please don't create any templates that you're not going to use. For things like {{PunGenerator}}, please consider keeping the code in your userspace until others want to use it, so that the community doesn't have to maintain it. Osiris (talk) 05:35, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, Osiris. Indeed, I do. The {{PunGenerator}} was moved to user space and stuff like scrollable stuff I do indeed use, as well as PageTab1 and PageTab2, as my tabs don't properly function without these two templates. Thanks for the note. WorldTraveller101 12:01, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

New timebox userbox

Hi, all. This notice is being placed at WP:Simple talk and on user talk pages of people transcluding {{User:Gwib/timebox}}.

I have built an updated timebox userbox. It is built from {{User:Gwib/timebox}}, but has some expanded functionality. You can find this userbox at {{User timebox2}}.

StevenJ81 (talk) 21:55, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Tagging articles with Sources templates

Hi and Welcome! I notice you ave been very active building up an interesting userpage and tagging many, many articles for attention as needed some sources or more sources. I have three questions:

• 1. What is your aim in tagging all of these? If an article has no references, a user can see that. Do you have a plan to improve these after they are tagged?
• 2. How many sources are a enough? Cherie Gil has 4 references, Great Chilean Earthquake has 2 for key facts.
• 3. have you considered working on improving articles by writing more about the subject or adding references where they are needed?

Thanks! Gotanda (talk) 02:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for commenting here. Let me answer your questions.

• 1. I do it to a) remind myself later what needs to be improved in what article and b) to see if it will grab attention of other users so they can help too. The only other ideas are spamming random user talk pages or the article's talk page. The first option is unethical and is entirely frowned upon and option two is better, but still not super convenient for users, so there you go.

• 2. It truly depends. For the sports articles, I'd like to shoot for 10, but 5 at the minimal, but sometimes, that is inadequate, so 10.

• 3. Indeed I have. I am busy in real life, but am shooting to build more content. I wrote some really short articles that I hope to expand soon, but I leave for the beach in a week, and the Wi-Fi there is as slow as a three-toed sloth. Give me a few days when I am not working and I'll build the articles further. Best. WorldTraveller101 03:17, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to have to ask you to undo your tagging. You have basically drive-by tagged about 70 articles, mostly short stubs. Most of the tags are unwarranted. It is not necessary to tag such short stubs. As an example: Turner Field consists of fourteen words split into two sentences. If those two sentences are confusing, you can fix it in the same amount of time that it takes to tag it. Osiris (talk) 11:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

OK. I'll work on them today and most or all should be gone by the end of the day. Best and I'm creating some new articles today, so best of luck. WorldTraveller101 11:18, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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I see that this discussion made you decide to revert tags placed by another user (Arctic Kangaroo). Please do not do that. The tags you placed were excessive. The tags placed by Arctic Kangaroo may or may not have been, but it is not for another user to remove them. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:56, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh OK sorry. I thought that the no sources tag (like mine) were not needed, because that is obvious. WorldTraveller101  ?  20:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

My point is not about whether the tags are needed. My point is that it's usually not OK to remove tags placed by another user, at least not without discussing it first. Arctic Kangaroo added only a few tags, not a large number like you did. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you please tell me why you are undoing your removal of the {{no sources}} template? When an article is marked as a stub, it is understood that there will be a lack of sources. Please leave the articles as untagged. Of course, not all stubs are unsourced, and not all unsourced articles are stubs. Chenzw  Talk  11:59, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

This confuses me now. Auntof6 says they should've stayed and now you say they shouldn't. Which is it? Can someone clarify. Thanks. WorldTraveller101  ?  12:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

{{no sources}} should not be placed on stubs. Both you and Arctic Kangaroo tagged stubs with that template, and those tags should be removed. However, what Auntof6 was trying to say is that it's discourteous ("it's usually not OK") to remove the tags (which Arctic Kangaroo placed) by yourself - you should have let Arctic Kangaroo know on his talk page instead. Chenzw  Talk  12:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've noted. So just to see that I'm not getting it wrong, stubs should not be tagged with it, while non-stubs with no sources should be tagged. Right? ✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎ 15:48, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

OK that makes sense. I'll discuss it with him next time. Thanks guys. WorldTraveller101  ?  16:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

That's almost it, Arctic Kangaroo. I wouldn't say that non-stubs should be tagged. Part of the issue is mass tagging (tagging a lot of articles) -- we usually don't want people to add tags to a lot of articles like that. Don't feel too bad, though, World Traveller, you're not the only person who has gotten into trouble for this. I did it once or twice myself before I learned that it wasn't wanted. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Quick deletion of 2010 NBA Finals

The page you wrote, 2010 NBA Finals, has been selected for quick deletion. If you think this page should be kept, please add {{wait}} below the line {{QD}} and say why on the talk page. If the page is already gone, but you think this was an error, you can ask for it to be undeleted. You can find more information about the reason here. --Creol(talk) 15:22, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

2010 NBA Finals

I have moved this article from Wikipedia-space to your userspace. It is now at User:WorldTraveller101/Article Drafts/2010 NBA Finals. Please use your userspace for drafts. Thank you. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hm...my apologies. I should've thought that through twice. Anyway, allow me to work on other articles and then I'll create it. Best, Aunt. WorldTraveller101  ?  23:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

By all means, take your time. By the way, I disabled the categories. When you move it to article-space, you'll want to re-enable them. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Simple vocabulary and structure

Re San Francisco 49ers, "hence" is not a simple English word. Also, shorter, simple sentences are better. Gotanda (talk) 01:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

My apologies for not realizing that albeit the other sentence was indeed confusing. WorldTraveller101  ?  01:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Signify is not a simple word either. If you are going to rewrite sentences, please use simple vocabulary, not more complex vocabulary. Gotanda (talk) 01:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:Major League Baseball teams

Hey, there. Please be aware that adding a page to a certain category when that page is already covered by one of its subcategories is redundant and unnecessary. What I'm getting at in particular is your addition of Category:Major League Baseball teams to a few team articles that had already been placed in their own respective subcategory. It can be a bit confusing sometimes, so if you're confused, I'll be glad to try to explain in further detail. TCN7JM 20:06, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Advice for copying from another wikipedia

Hi, I see that you have started making some new articles by copying from English Wikipedia. Adding new articles is better for the wiki than working on userpages, but there are a few things you can do to make them even better.

Have you read the guideline at Wikipedia:How_to_copy_from_another_Wikipedia? It explains what we do here at Simple when we copy from EnWP. One of the main things is to really simplify. Just changing one or two words in a sentence isn't simple enough. For example, in the lede to Wells_Fargo_Center_(Philadelphia) these words/phrases are not simple: former, formerly, subsidiary, and "lies at".

The guideline also explains that you have to give attribution. It is very easy to do. Examples are at Wikipedia:Transwiki_attribution. Just use the code patterns there. It looks like you need to give attribution for your new articles such as Southwest_Division_(NBA), Pacific_Division_(NBA), Northwest Division (NBA), and Wells_Fargo_Center_(Philadelphia). Also, when you copy into an existing article like NBA_All-Star_Game.

Thanks, Gotanda (talk) 23:52, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

The NBA divisions were not copied over at all. And the other ones, I am attributing it to. Thanks for the constructive reminder. I'll read through some of that tonight, as I want to write decent articles, but I need to improve on simplifying the content, which I do a fairly subpar job at. I concur to do all of those things to help out. Thanks. WorldTraveller101  ?  00:22, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Wells Fargo Center (Philadelphia)

This is on a related topic, so I'm adding to this existing section instead of creating a new section. I just moved the attribution template from this article to the article's talk page. The attribution templates go on the talk page, not on the article page. Also, the syntax of the attribution template needs to be fixed. The parameter in the template should not be an internal link (a link with two brackets) to the enwiki article. It should be the URL of the version of the enwiki article you used to create the article here. That URL would include a version number. The documentation for the template shows examples.

There's one more thing you can do when you create any article, whether it's copied from enwiki or not. If another Wikipedia has an article on the same subject, create the interwiki language link on Wikidata. You don't have to go to Wikidata to do that. I've written some instructions for doing this at User:Auntof6/How to#Interwiki language links for new pages. Let me know if those instructions aren't clear. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 00:45, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Aunt, thanks so much for your help. I'm still a Simple newbie. I appreciate your time and hope I'm not wasting too much. I want to be as giant of a net positive as possible and hopefully this series of stuff will have me set. Best. WorldTraveller101  ?  00:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Big Weekend: Forests

Hi WT101, I'm not sure if you are interested in participating in the Big Forests Weekend. More details here. Cheers. ;) (✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎) 13:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I regret to inform you that my participation will be super sporadic and will only occur today. I leave for the beach tomorrow and at my beach house, not only do I not have a computer, but the internet connection/Wi-Fi is slow and sporadic. I can edit through my phone, but I will only be able to do some small help today, but thanks for inviting me and I will attempt to help in anyway I can today. Best. WorldTraveller101  ?  15:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Nelson Mandela GA

Hello my friend. I've been working hard in making Nelson Mandela a good article. I added a lot of new information along with references. Can you please read the article then write your suggestions in the article's talk page. Thanks. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Let me flip through the criteria for GA. It's looking pretty good though :) WorldTraveller101  ?  15:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you really think it's a worthy GA nomination. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I think it passes. I'm about to go to bed, but I'll give it one final copy edit tommorow morning. Thanks. WorldTraveller101  ?  04:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:27, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Close of Nelson Mandela PGA

Hey there, just a heads up that I have reverted your closure of the Nelson Mandela PGA as it was invalid. Unless there is overwhelming support, a nomination should run a full three weeks prior to being closed, and, additionally, should generally not be closed by someone who has endorsed closure to avoid a WP:COI. As it is, the article has been running for only nine days and has only three support comments, including your own. This is not sufficient to promote an article early. Hope that makes sense, any questions, please ask. Goblin 17:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC) I ♥ Barras!

Oh so that's how it works? OK yeah. I doubt it'll fail GA, but revert my close, as I thought it was down to only discussion and a decision. Sorry. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 21:18, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

It is, but three people commenting (plus yourself) does not make a discussion, especially within nine days. Also, you really should read how the process works (or ask) rather than just rushing in and making these mistakes. Goblin 23:59, 30 August 2013 (UTC) I ♥ Gordonrox24!

Very Good Article contributions

I'm a little concerned (in fact, quite offended) that you're listing Kingsway tramway subway as an article you helped achieve VGA status. You did not. You made two edits (neither of which still stand) to the article which made it no simpler nearly three years after it was promoted. This is not 'helping achieve VGA status' - this is merely editing a VGA. Although there's nothing in policy to stop you making this assertion it is bad wikiquette, and impolite to list it. As I said, I'm actually quite offended at you taking credit for an article that I created almost single-handedly content wise (but am grateful to everyone who made suggestions of improvements). I've not looked at any of your other 'Very Good' or 'Good' article contributions, but I wouldn't be surprised to find more of the same... Goblin 22:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC) I ♥ TCN7JM!

OK fine I'll remove it. Some of them I've helped. In respect for you, I'll remove it. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 02:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

BTW, it does not say I got it to BGA status. If you look closely, it said I made some minor copy edits to help it maintain VGA status. I am allowed to list my contributions I'm proud of, but out of respect I removed that one. They all say something different. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 02:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The wording used on your user page was '...I helped the article achieve very good article status' - which is incorrect. You are more than welcome to list contributions you are proud of, but, as I mentioned, it is bad wikiquette to list articles as though you helped them reach a 'better' status. Technically speaking, your edits are also not helping an article maintain its status unless it has been listed at PAD, but that's a separate point. Goblin 13:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC) I ♥ Gordonrox24!

For purposes, I've removed all but the ones that actually helped. I feel like a user should be allowed to have proud contributions, but for the purpose of respect and wikiquette I have only kept one or two. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 14:31, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Commodore Nutt

Do not "copy edit" this article. First, it has passed GA and others have given it the thumbs up here at VGA. If it needed "copy editing", I would have heard about long before your copy edits. "Midget" has been linked. It does not need to be followed by a definition inline. Such "edits" may very well defeat a VGA. Check with me before any more "copy editing". I'm assuming good faith, but please give me notice of your intentions. Your copy editing may mean the entire article will need to be reviewed again. Your edits so far have not been helpful. Goblin's post above has given me pause for thought. Oregonian2012 (talk) 00:35, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

You don't own an article. I don't need to receive permission to make an edit to an article. And your reference to Goblin's comment was unrelated. It was ridiculous and did it out of respect, but I can have contributions I'm proud of. Copy editing an article helps. Copy editing only improves. Telling me my edits are unhelpful is discouraging. Stop acting like you own the article. Others don't need your permission to make edits and you should be open to edits. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 00:46, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I've asked Goblin for some guidance on this. And I will ask others if need be. The article is going through a certain process at the moment and doesn't need extensive and disruptive copy editing. As I wrote, if the article needed copy editing I would have heard about it a long time ago. Please do not copy edit until I've heard from Goblin. If there are copy edits you think appropriate please enter them on the talk page. I will take care of them from there. Thank you. Oregonian2012 (talk) 00:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Forget it. I don't need to edit an article in such a hostile environment where you are acting like you own the article. And my copy editing was not disruptive, but I can't deal with people like you. I'm not here to bicker...I'm here to build content and I can't do so in this environment, so I will leave your article in your hands, since my help is unwelcome. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 01:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Oregonian, you cannot tell someone not to edit an article, even if it is in the VGA process. No one owns an articles. If WT has made some bad edits, just revert them and explain what is wrong with them.

That being said, WT, Oregonian does have a point that the edits you made did not all improve the article. Some of them made the article unnecessarily more complex, and one or two were grammatically incorrect. I would probably have reverted them myself if I had seen them before Oregonian did. That is not to say that you shouldn't edit the article, just that you probably have some things to learn about English composition and Wiki markup. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:29, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your input Aunt. I agree and had I recognized the mistakes, I would fix it myself, but I no longer want to help the article, since all of my edits apparently require approval anyway, so I will not edit, it really is not worth the conflict. I'm only intermediate in Simple English. I will not contribute to Commodore Nutt anymore. Thanks Oregonian. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 01:37, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

It is the accepted and customary procedure here to send your suggestions for improvement to an article at GA or VGA to the article's talk page rather than to go into the article and implement your own "improvements". Make your suggestions to the article's talk page; the article's nominator or chief contributor will then act on them. This is standard procedure and you can witness it for yourself by scanning the article's talk page. You should not be surprised that your "Improvements" were reverted. Please don't abuse others by crying, "Anyone can edit an article and you have no right to tell me what to do!" Oregonian2012 (talk) 00:51, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Oregonian, can you substantiate your statement about the "accepted and customary practice"? Keep in mind that even if things are usually done a certain way, that doesn't necessarily mean they must be done that way. Once again, I caution you not to tell other users they shouldn't edit any given article. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Aunt, I appreciate your help. Oregonian, I wasn't abusing you. You should be thankful that you drove me away from editing your precious little article. Your behavior is explicitly violating WP:OWN, which often leads to blocks on many WMF sites and drives away other users who are willing to constructively and help. I have nothing against you, as you seem as a nice enough chap. I don't know about Simple, but you would be blocked in the blink of a eye on English Wikipedia, Commons, Meta, and several other wiki's. Because I have to go back to school, I am retiring as I want to work on en and Commons and barely have any time for that, so adios. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 23:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The icons at the top of your talk page

Can you do something to move these icons farther down the page? They block some of the tabs at the top of the page. I'm not sure what should be done, but the problem seems to be with User:WorldTraveller101/Top. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I will fix it when I'm on my desktop again. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 02:36, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:49, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding I'm just annoyed tonight. I in theory can and will fix it now. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 02:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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I just noticed that the graphics that appear at the bottom of your talk page (the bouncing logo and the "sign your posts" thing) block text. Any chance you could do something about that as well, like maybe remove them? --Auntof6 (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

+1. Goblin 23:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC) I ♥ TCN7JM!

Categories

Alright I can see towards what you're getting at, but Madonna has her own Category and she also has Category:Living people. Plus I'm sure that a category about a person should contain things that relate towards the article and it's category shouldn't effect the article itself, so having Category:Presidents of South Africa and Category:Living people on Nelson seems to be appropriate. Thanks. Please write back if you have anymore questions. Thanks. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:59, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Wrong. You should try to use as little categories as possible. Nelson Mandela should be a subcategory of Presidents of SA and Living People categories and same goes for anyone. It is easier to categorize with fewer quantities of and more detailed categories. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 03:04, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

No, that is not correct. Not all of the articles in Category:Nelson Mandela are going to be living people or presidents of South Africa. The guideline is WP:EPONCAT. Unless you can guarantee that all present and future contents of Category:Nelson Mandela are going to be biographies of living people or presidents of South Africa, then only the article should be in those categories. As an example, Nelson Mandela Park is neither a living person nor is it a president of anything. Therefore, it should not be in those category trees. Osiris (talk) 03:18, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Some of your recent edits

Thank you for trying to copy edit and improve articles here. I have concerns about some of your recent edits, including the following:

• Please don't make edits like this. That makes the coding more complex, and the way it was before your edit is the accepted way of linking.
• Why did you remove the skyscraper category with this edit? The building seems to me to be a skyscraper.

Thanks in advance for your reply here. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:26, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Unless I'm wrong, John Hancock Center is a skyscraper, so why is it not a subcategory of Skyscrapers? If thats how it works here, then it can be reverted. Thanks. -- WorldTraveller101  T  C  G  E 10:07, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

If there were a category for the John Hancock Center, then it might be able to go under the skyscraper category. However, we're talking about an article here, not a category. I don't see a category for that specific building. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:37, 3 September 2013 (UTC)