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did you change your signature recently? looks nice :-) SHB2000 (talk) 14:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Yup: Its always displayed on my user page 💠Ely - Talk💠 05:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]
nice :). SHB2000 (talk) 05:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@SHB2000: Would you like anything fancy? I can make one for you. 💠Ely - Talk💠 17:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I have a different signature on meta and the English Wikivoyage, although I just use the standard signature everywhere else. SHB2000 (talk) 22:53, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Request for permissionEdit

Hi Elytrian, I just want to say that I hope that you will get Rollback permissions, you no doubt will.   Support   Cheers, Hockeycatcat (talk) 07:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I hope you get rollback too, given your good amount of anti-vandalism experience, and I also have no doubt you will. If this were commons where non admins could vote, I'd have given you a   Support but I guess this is simple, and oh well... SHB2000 (talk) 07:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Hockeycatcat, @SHB2000: Thanks for both of your support! Even if I don't get it, not much of a difference. (I have RedWarn) 💠Ely - Talk💠 08:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
But I'm quite certain you'll end up getting rollback. If I got rollback when I had just 80 edits on simple, surely you'll get it (although the catch was that I had rollback on other WMF projects). SHB2000 (talk) 08:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I think 1700 edits is good enough. 💠Ely - Talk💠 09:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

That's him!Edit

That's him, isn't it? The do you like vandalism guy?? Cheers, Hockeycatcat (talk) 15:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Uhh, link to his contribs pls? Probably yes, the first three numbers are the same. 💠Ely - Talk💠 15:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Here are the contribs. Hockeycatcat (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Yup that's him. Even the same byte change. 💠Ely - Talk💠 15:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]


Uh oh, my talk page still has its entire history! Is this safe? Hockeycatcat (talk) 15:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

More or less... ask for rev del if its really bugging you. 💠Ely - Talk💠 15:33, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]


I saw above that you know how to make a signature, would you be willing to make one for me? AnApple47 (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Sure! Later tho.. I'm sleepy and its bout 1 here... 💠Ely - Talk💠 18:08, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Sounds good! AnApple47 (talk) 18:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
So Apple, how would you like it? Simple, fancy, colorful, etc.?
💠Ely - Talk💠 04:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Can you make it something simple, with a red font? Thanks, AnApple47 (talk) 17:25, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
How's this?
AnApple47 💬
[[User:AnApple47|<span style="color:red">AnApple47</span>]] [[User talk:AnApple47|<sup>💬</sup>]]
Note: When copying the code, replace 💬 with &#128172 (add a ; to the end of the number, nowiki fails for emojis)
💠Ely - Talk💠 05:03, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
  The Special Barnstar
Thanks so much for the new signature! AnApple47 💬 06:10, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]


Liked that image so much that I took it to fr:voy:Utilisateur:SHB2000 :-). Copied it off you SHB2000 (talk) 04:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

lol... I stole the idea off of ferien 💠Ely - Talk💠 04:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
except that Ferien has a different image. I just took your image, cropped it, made it into a typical Wikivoyage banner and then added it onto my French Wikivoyage userpage ;-). Iceland has always been one of the places I've always wanted to go to, ever since I first heard about it in primary school. SHB2000 (talk) 04:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Huh... (nefarious advertising opportunity) join Wikiproject Iceland! 💠Ely - Talk💠 07:30, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
  Done joined. SHB2000 (talk) 08:43, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
also another nefarious advertising opportunity, join Wikiproject National Parks. (Iceland National Parks are park of the project) SHB2000 (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, advertisements...   Done 💠Ely - Talk💠 12:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
just wrote the first Icelandic park: Vatnajökull National Park. Seems very interesting SHB2000 (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Will check it out! 💠Ely - Talk💠 13:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]


Hello Ely! On the first day I saw your name here, I thought you were a Greek. Because I read a lesson on en:Periplus of the Erythraean Sea during my school days. According to this, the word "Erythraean" is a Greek word for the Red Sea. And I saw you are interested in oceans. Still I don't know if you are a Hellenic guy or not! :) Haoreima (talk) 16:43, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Ehhh. Its actually a reference to Elytra and Minecraft. But yes, I do like greek mythology. I watch Overly Sarcastic Productions too much, eh? 💠Ely - Talk💠 17:32, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Well, if you are mentioning Greek mythology, then mine is Bibliotheca. :) Haoreima (talk) 19:11, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]


Unfortunately pagebanners only work on Wikivoyage and Wikidata :-( Otherwise I'd have one by now... Might create a template for it though SHB2000 (talk) 08:08, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I knew that they only work there... but I didn't find any way to copy paste the code here. 💠Ely - Talk💠 08:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I could work on it, although the issue is that it has some .css elements which I would need an interface admin to do it here. SHB2000 (talk) 10:39, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Horror film 1896-1919 1920-1959 1960-1969 1970-presentEdit

Dear friend would you agree there should be a 1896-1919 section, 1920-1959 section, 1960-1969, and a 1970-present section added to horror film on English Wikipedia? Horrorfan1000000 (talk) 17:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I don't know. 💠Ely - Talk💠 17:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I believe in you just edit just create a 1970-present section and the real reason there should be a 1970-present section on there because the 1970s was the decade that started modern horror. Horrorfan1000000 (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]


hello, i understand Dc Themmie was recently deleted by RFD, i will not recreate this article until i found reliable sources on Google, news and jstor. cheersI like WikipediaGimmelover (talk). 13:38, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

(talk page stalker) No, and it can never be created unless they become notable. And also don't type in ALL CAPS AS THAT IS CONSIDERED SHOUTING. @Auntof6: gave you some info on this, so... nope. SHB2000 (talk) 13:49, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]


Hi. I will give you the history if you like.

I first used Wikipedia in 2001 I think as a result of a web comic I liked to read called Irregular Webcomic that advertised this new site called Wikipedia and encouraged its readers to edit. I didn't follow up any of my edits, nor did I realise that I was supposed to create an account. According to the comic's creator, we were meant to simply change things that were wrong to right, if we knew about a topic. Thus I probably made about one edit per month, but didn't keep a record of what I was editing.

Unknown to me, my ISP had alternating IP ranges, across about 10,000 different IP addresses, and overnight at about 2am it kicked us off and then when we logged back in the next morning or whenever we'd reconnect, we'd get a new IP. While it was possible to keep the same IP for 2 days or longer (I got up to 3 days once), more commonly you got a new one every day, and whichever new one you got was one you would never use again. In other words, as far as Wikipedia was concerned, the first 50 edits I made were by 50 different people.

The rationale, I later found out, for my ISP doing this was because they were trying to save money. They had 20,000 users and by kicking us off IP addresses they could spend money for 10,000 ports for 20,000 users, and they passed the savings on to us!

Sadly, Wikipedia made things even worse by having an out-of-date ISP lookup tool, which listed the ISP as being a school, so they assumed me to be a high school student (I was born in 1975!) and they thus assumed that all of my edits were vandalism.

I first seriously edited Wikipedia is 2004 as a bit of an experiment to see if it was any good, though by that stage I already had 50 edits. I decided to create a new article about a topic that I knew something about and see if it would be removed. I created one article per week for four weeks and the first three were deleted within a few hours, but then one stayed. The first article I created was about Americacentric, which still exists to this day. It is essentially a concept that is not unique to USA, but is often accused of being unique to USA (India has a similar situation, as undoubtedly does China) in which Americans tend to think that the world revolves around them. Of course, Ancient Romans had the same idea, as did the British, French and Spanish in different points in history. It is a result of being powerful, not about a particular nation.

After that one article stayed up, I tried to look at whether I could create other articles, and, after I had a few stay up happily, I decided to give it a real try.

The reason for the experiment, you see, was because I didn't want to commit to a project like that if they were censoring my work too much. Once again, you can blame that comic strip for my believing that, as the author kept commenting about censorship on Wikipedia, so I wanted to see if it was true.

After a while, I found myself banned as a "vandal" with a "long history of vandalism", which I took personally and was quite angry about, because I had never engaged in any vandalism. The ban was 3 days and I was horrified by it. Little did I know that it was a ban that was meant for some other person who used my IP address, and based on their actions, not mine.

The admins assumed that we were all different people and indeed we were. There were 20,000 of them on 10,000 IPs. I don't know how many of us used Wikipedia, of course, but at a guess it was at least several hundred. Perhaps 500 or 700 different people were using Wikipedia semi-regularly. Some of them were vandals.

So then they told me to create an account, so I did, but I didn't want to create an account with any personal meaning for me, so I made this account with some obscure name and a password that I couldn't remember, and then, expectedly, they banned me.

I thought that the decision to ban me was a foregone conclusion, but apparently they were just looking at removing a page I had written, and my being banned was not in consideration. It wasn't until after I had said that I didn't care what they did that they then decided to use some of the mentions by various IP addresses and pretend that they were me, and since one of them had threatened to kill me on my discussion page, they banned me for that! My year-long ban was officially because someone else had threatened to kill me!

I was horrified about that, to say the least, and thankful that I hadn't used any identifying marks. There was even a discussion on my ISP with various people threatening to murder me for getting our ISP banned from Wikipedia. The 500 to 700 people who regularly used Wikipedia were up in arms, and they were effectively protesting my ban on the grounds that it was actually banning hundreds of different people.

As a result of that, my ban was never enforced, and I was never actually banned.

I didn't use Wikipedia then for what I thought was about a year, but it turned out to be 10 1/2 months. I guess I had forgotten the time. I checked if I was banned and saw that I was, but it was for a year, and so I checked to see if the ban was still current and saw that it was not. But then I forgot the password so created a second account, not to evade my ban (as I was never actually banned) but because I didn't know my password.

I then used Wikipedia happily for a year with some 50,000 edits and had no blocks or conflict with anyone.

Then I found out about this page called Wikipedia Review which had people complaining about their bans, so I went there and complained about my ban, about how they banned me for what someone else did, and how I was ultimately banned because someone else threatened to kill me, which is about as absurd as they come.

Then someone on Wikipedia worked out that that was me, and then reinforced the ban, initially just to see out the remaining month and a half, then a full new year, and then, after that second year was served, I came back for 10 minutes and the ban was reinforced indefinitely.

Since then, they have claimed that I have various sockpuppets.

I used to check them, and some of them belonged to a guy who had been banned himself for attacking me, and he had used the accounts that they claimed to be my sockpuppets to build up support against me. In other words, they were sockpuppets, yes, but they were used against me, not by me.

After that, it seems that they have just added random people. I saw that some were in USA, UK, Israel, Canada and all sorts of places that I've never been to.

I have protested the ban several times in the last 17 years but they don't listen. I am supposed to admit guilt and then beg for forgiveness, but the problem is that I didn't do any of the things they accused me of doing, and every time when I try to point that out they use it against me.

So I had a thought to just use this Wiki in a good way and hopefully this will demonstrate that I am of good character and that my 17 years of bans can come to an end.

I trust that this satisfies your curiosity. Blissyu2 (talk) 16:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Rollback grantedEdit

Hi Elytrian, I've given you rollback. Please remember to only use rollback for obvious vandalism, and not good faith edits. If you'd like to test it out, please go here. Thank you for your contributions. :) --Ferien (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Part 2Edit

I will give you a bit of context for this, to explain why my ISP decided to have 10,000 nodes, as they called it, for their 20,000 users.

My ISP was called Internode, and quite literally that was the whole point of it. The aim of the ISP was to provide high-powered internet at a low price, and they were able to do it by giving everyone what amounted to 12 hours of internet each per day, and we all shared the nodes.

To understand why that was important, you need to understand the situation of internet in Australia, at least as existed at the time.

We were quite slow to the party as far as getting internet up and going. While USA had ISPs really early on, it took Australia until the mid-1990s to have anything usable at all. The first one of any note was Ozemail, but that only operated in major cities, and where I lived it simply didn't exist. Eventually, around 1996 or so, where I lived had a small ISP basically operating out of someone's garage, and they charged a whopping $50 per month for some pretty terrible internet speeds and a complete and utter lack of service. We had a download limit too, which gave us essentially about 1 hour per day of usage at most, and we couldn't download anything of any note, and we still had to pay $50 per month! We really had to budget what we were doing!

Eventually, Telstra, who were our only phone line, came on board as Telstra Bigpond, promising to give everyone fast, reliable internet, but the problem was that they couldn't compete with Ozemail in the big cities, so they instead focused on the rural areas like where I lived, and so the little places that charged us huge prices for nothing were run out of business as everyone took on Bigpond instead, or Ozemail if they lived in the city.

Telstra had a competitor with the phone lines called Optus, and they then had their own internet too, which was a little bit faster and a little bit cheaper than Telstra, but Optus didn't operate in the rural areas. So if you lived somewhere remote, you had to go with Telstra, and indeed that became Telstra's marketing strategy - that they were reliable.

Ozemail was the cheapest at about $25 per month but Telstra offered a reasonable $35 per month package that was nowhere near as good as Ozemail's, but they also offered an expensive package, which for $90 per month gave you the fastest internet there was.

The idea that we could be fast (though pitifully slow compared to USA and Europe) attracted some high-end users and it eventually led to the creation of Internode, who offered $79 per month and faster than Telstra's fastest $90 per month speed.

So the people who used Internode were high-end users. These were people who had gone for the most expensive product. And if you are converting $79 per month into US dollars, it was around US $50, which was ridiculously expensive. This was way back at the turn of the century, so it's probably double that today, and was far more than most were charging.

Internode advertised itself as a gaming ISP, and they ran big gaming competitions, including having a competitive StarCraft scene. People could play high-end online graphical games against people in USA and Europe for the first time with competitive speeds.

Another thing that they had, which I didn't realise until much later, was that they were virtually impossible to ban.

Because they had 10,000 nodes, in order to ban someone by IP range, you had to ban the whole of Internode, and because Internode was full of rich, powerful customers, any attempt to do that was quickly followed by massive lawsuits and the ban was lifted.

Unknown to me, what had been happening with Internode users on Wikipedia was that many of them used the fact that they couldn't be banned to engage in some quite horrific behaviour, much of which warranted a permanent ban. While there were undoubtedly some good users as well, many were not good at all.

So when I was doing my experiment to work out whether or not Wikipedia was a good place for me to visit, as I was becoming quite disillusioned with MySpace by then, and I was doing my review of Wikipedia on my blogs, I didn't realise that Wikipedia thought that my IP that I was using on that day, which had engaged in some 8 acts of vandalism over the previous 2 months, was all the same person.

I can prove that it wasn't the same person, incidentally, as my computer recorded my IPs every time I logged on. In fact, a quick phone call to Internode could have revealed which customers had which IPs on which days. But Wikipedia didn't think to do that. Instead, they simply assumed, and my innocent edits were assumed to be vandalism based on that history, and they were all undone.

Perhaps, with that in mind, Wikipedia had reason to ban the whole of Internode, because of how they operated. It was essentially unbannable and was like those TOR proxies in that sense because you never knew who was who.

Some of the legitimate users of Wikipedia who logged in with Internode were annoyed that they kept getting banned. They had done nothing wrong, and it was a constant annoyance.

My problem was that I was too honest.

I am autistic and I overshare, and everything I said was completely accurate. I don't lie. Autistics kind of can't lie. And this didn't rub well with the Wikipedia administrators who were so completely and utterly convinced that I was a 15 year old who engaged in non-stop vandalism.

So then one of the users of Internode, who I shall not name here, compiled a list of things that he claimed I had done. He compiled a page essentially with different Internode IP addresses and tried to work out which ones were me and which ones were not me. Essentially, he was listing all of the worst ones.

I complained to him about that, and told him which ones were actually me, but he called me a liar. I protested to some admins to get him to delete the page, but they instead banned me for a week so that he could compile an even more dishonest list.

His aim, as I later uncovered, was so that he would not have to deal with the incessant bans to all users of his ISP. It had nothing to do with me personally. He was simply prepared for me to suffer so that he could benefit.

So when that 1-week ban expired, I created my own account, Internodeuser, solely so that I could counter his false claims about me.

In it, I compiled a list of the actual IPs I had used, and then I compiled a list of all of the bad behaviour that he had engaged in.

Then that user created an Arbitration complaint seeking to have my page deleted.

In the middle of that Arbitration, an IP address made a death threat to my talk page, which said that they were going to track me down, call Internode to find out who I was, and kill me.

The person who started the Arbitration claimed that it was me threatening him.

That threat, which was a death threat sent to me, not from me, was the sole reason the Arbitration Committee used to justify the ban.

The arbitration was actually aimed at getting me to delete my user subpage which I had created to counter the abusive user's false claims about me that were used to try to find out who I really was so that I could be dealt with.

It is my firm belief that the creator of that arbitration, and of the nasty page about me is the same person that delivered the death threat to me, and is also the same person who went to Internode's forums calling for me to be murdered.

I presented my evidence to Wikipedia Review in order to appeal my ban. By that stage, the person who had gotten me banned had become an administrator, and his harassment of me was used to justify his adminship.

In justifying my second ban, the Wikipedia administrator who justified it, said that it was because I had appealed my ban on Wikipedia Review.

I have made several appeals and have been consistently told that I need to admit to what I did and apologise for it before they can consider anything.

The problem is that I didn't do any of the things they claimed I did.

I have never lied. I have never created sockpuppets. I have never attempted to evade a ban.

In fact, in spite of them never actually banning me, I didn't log in at all anyway.

Since I cannot in good conscience admit to something that I did not do, the only alternative is to participate in other wikis.

In retrospect, I shouldn't have made an account. If I hadn't, I would never have been banned. I shouldn't have bothered to engage in people who were self-serving and who didn't care about hurting me to get what they wanted.

My problem was that I was too honest. Blissyu2 (talk) 19:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]


Congrats on getting rollback rights :-). As someone who has rb on seven WMF projects, I can certainly say that it's so much better than TwinkleGlobal. SHB2000 (talk) 01:40, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2021-39Edit

Regarding Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2021/Sahil Kothari (2nd nomination)...Edit

I would recommend checking the wiki markup yourself before calling others lazy. Eptalon already had created a nomination page: Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2021/Sahil Kothari. --Ferien (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[]