Talk:Islam

Few lead sentences would be useful. --Bhadani 16:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC) i thought it gave good information i learned alot from this article It would be good if this page was written by someone who understood the idea of 'simple English' as well as they understand Islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.246.130 (talk • contribs)

In my opinion, this article is biased. I understand that this Wiki needs to keep things simple, but put simply, I don't think many Imams or scholars would agree with such a definition of Jihad (for example). It seems to be weighted towards an Islamic point of view, especially with the "last religion revealed by Allah". This sort of thing isn't on the Christianity or Hinduism pages. 222.153.37.125 07:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)(Lord Patrick on the English Wikipedia)

If you think that you can improve the article, please feel free to do so by clicking "Change this page". Thanks. Billz (Talk) 09:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the article is biased too, and confusing. Firstly it says Islam means "peace" in Arabic, then it says it comes from the word peace and means submission. Also, who put SAW after Mohammed's name? Wikipedia's not Muslim, so we should just refer to him as Mohammed. We should also include the fact that some Muslims consider holy war to be a sixth pillar of Islam.--BolshoyJoe (talk) 08:30, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Though some people are confused by this, as an Arabic speaker, I can testify that Islam means "Submission To God". In reality, 'Salam' means peace. This misunderstanding is a bit uncommon, but to be fair, the words are pretty similar. Islam originates from the word 'Tasleem', while 'Salam' originates from the word, well, Salam of course. Burglar99 (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

About changing the page

Hello. I believe I under stand much about simple English when it comes to editing. But, I think I might need some help in making the article longer. Plus, is there a chance that anyone is allowed to make an information box on the right-hand-side of the page? Let me know. - Qasamaan 20:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, since I did not get a reply, I might add a template for Islam asap, but I promise to make everything simple English. I can still make templates, right? That is, as long as they are not supposed to be system files for Wikipedia. - Qasamaan 11:45, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Not simple enough?

The part about the five pillars seems really complicated. I think it sould be made a bit more clear. It might even be confusing for some who do speak English well. In fact, the entire article seems a little more complecated than most Simple English articles. --71.167.181.62 16:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

"They believe that Muhammad was the last messenger of God who taught the religion in ancient Arabia in the 7th century,

This sentence in the starting of article prevails ambiguity(confusion so i gonna simplify it--*ha with munifecence (talk) 17:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Misleading statements

"Islam is now the largest religion in the world with 1.3 billion followers" is an incorrect statement. It should be "Islam has more followers than Roman Catholicism with 1.3 billion followers"

Thats not mjuch better; ideally we also need a source for that.--Eptalon (talk) 21:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that statement. Islam is the second largest religion; The largest is Christianity. 24.1.4.241 (talk) 23:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

That's correct. Also, the article still has too many two-dollar words like "jurisprudence." I'll change a few now. — Alarob (talk) 04:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

"With about 1.75 billion followers (23% of the world's population), Islam is the second-largest religion in the world. Islam is also the fastest-growing religion in the world." Is it the largest growing (attracting new adherents) or just the one with most kids being born into it? Also is this 'growth' defined in relation to the cuts in other religions, which will include the extermination program of Christians around the world (which is making a significant difference)?195.11.204.67 (talk) 18:38, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Rollback

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahadah

Numbers

Hello all, we learn that baout 93% of all Muslims are Sunni, and between ten and fifteen percent are Shi'a. In addition, two other movements are mentioned. Doinmg the calculation, 93+15 = 107. Can we try to get the numbers sourced, perhaps; ideally all from the same source? --Eptalon (talk) 10:41, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Adhan (Call to Prayer)

The Muslim is called to prayer five times a day. This call to prayer is called Adhan. The muezzin, a man appointed to call to prayer, uses a loud speaker which carries the voice for the people nearby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Asgharmalik (talk • contribs)

Prayer carpet

The prayer carpet is carried by the Muslim when he travels abroad. At the times of prayer, he will determine the direction of Qibla (Mecca), roll out his prayer carpet, and say his prayers to Allah. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Asgharmalik (talk • contribs)

Improving the article

I know that I am probably not the most suited person to edit this article, as I do not have "background information". All I know is from Wikipedia. I still think there are a few things that could be done to improve the article:

• The link to Circumcision in Islam is "hanging in the air", can we get some text around it?
• Should we link to the respective articles for the Quraniyoon, the Ibadi, and the Ahmadiya?
• Most of the criticism section lists criticism "from outside", that is non-Muslims criticising. In my opinion, "criticism" (or call it "suggestions") by Muslim scholars would also fit here. Over the long time Christianity existed, many people have tried to change it: As an example, Martin Luther (First half 16th century, 400 years ago) introduced the idea to translate the Bible into local language, so that people could understand it. Many of the changes he proposed are now accepted, and have become commonplace. Luther also started what is called Protestant Reformation today. Since Islam has also existed for a long time, there must be similar movements.

Just ideas, feel free to propose others. --Eptalon (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2012 (UTC) there are and have been similar movements: Sufism, Quran-only Islam, Islamic modernism and Islamic fundamentalism are all reform movements.

Criticism section

The section is poorly referenced, especially the third paragraph.

• These reports also say that women and animals may be treated badly by Islamic law and practice. I have never heard it from any source. The referenced link does not even contain the word "animals".
• Still others question how authentic the Qur'an is and if it can impose moral guidelines. Same here, the reference does not say any thing about these "moral guidelines".

  These sentences should be removed unless any notable and trustworthy references are provided. — Fauzan^{talk ✆ email ✉} 22:02, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Errors.

I'm not allowed to correct these errors:

Article: "Islam is a religion that believes in one God." - Basic grammar and syntax mistake. A religion can't believe in anything.

Article: " All of its teachings and beliefs are written out in the Quran (also spelled Qur'an or Koran), the holy scripture of Islam. ... Other beliefs and rules about what Muslims should do come from reports of what Muhammad taught, or hadith." - Basic grammar and syntax mistake. Either it's all or it's some. It can't be both.

Article: "Believers of Islam are called Muslims." - Basic grammar and syntax mistake. Should be 'believers in Islam".195.11.204.67 (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Article: "They believe that the Quran was spoken to Muhammad by the angel Jibril,..." The angel Gabriel is left out. If it's an encyclopedia article it should be in English. But the article's actually a propaganda piece for Islam.195.11.204.67 (talk) 17:41, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Article: "Sufis usually conclude their prayers with dhikr recitations."don't nearly all branches of sunni do so?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiedit01995 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

It's optional, a Sunnah. M. Yusuf Suleman (talk) 09:43, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

"without submission" in 3rd paragraph ("Linguistically, ...")

The third paragraph of the introduction reads, "Linguistically, Islam is defined as surrender to the command of God as per Islam, without objection, without submission, rebellion, and stubbornness."

I find the inclusion of "without submission" confusing, as "submission" can be understood as a synonym of "surrender." (Was "submission of complaint" the intended meaning?) I propose the removal of this phrase.

I also wonder about the use of "as per Islam," as it isn't clear what meaning it adds, while its inclusion seems to go against the principle that the definition of a term should avoid the inclusion of that same term. Jorjulio (talk) 13:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)