Talk:Terrell Owens

First of all, most of this article was not copied from another Wiki. I'll go make it shorter/simpler now. I cannot even think how someone would call this "complete vandalism." 1ravensnflfan (talk) 03:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

That was likely a mistake by the editor who added the tag, confusing A3/G3. It is quite different from the English version (although on some points I wish it wasn't—you've destroyed the referencing). However, I've tagged the page for other issues, and left a request on your talk page for you to have a look over this and other pages you have made. Osiris (talk) 05:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

While the case for an A3 QD may or may not be vailid, A4 (notability) is definitely invalid. Just "A six-time Pro Bowl selection, Owens holds or shares several National Football League records, and features in the all-time top-five in several receiving categories, including yards and touchdowns." screams notability. Multiple record holder and top 5 career performer in a top level league (in a major sport at that - ie football (US), football (everywhere else), hockey, basketball, baseball).. --Creol(talk) 08:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think anyone has questioned the notability. Osiris (talk) 15:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I really do not see how the referencing on this article is so bad. It has a summary, a link what else do you want? 1ravensnflfan (talk) 14:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Read WP:CITEFOOT. Have you really not read this stuff after the reception from you got from the English Wikipedia? The references need to be at the very least bulleted. But they should be in citation style, so that we know what information is referenced, to what source, and what is not referenced. For example, what information is reference #10 there for? Which reference states that he spit in someone's face? This is especially important for an article about a living person. Osiris (talk) 15:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

#10 is obviously Owens joining the Wranglers. I thought I was helping. I'm creating articles, adding to them, citing sources along the way, etc. There are even source descriptions like you wanted, so with those, how should you not be able to tell what's referencing what? Seriously, should I just undo all the edits I've ever made and retire??? 1ravensnflfan (talk) 01:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I see that you've added descriptions like I asked and that is a big improvement to plain links. I commend you for that. But that was not the main issue. I don't want you to tell me the answer for what references what. I need you to realise that readers are going to ask the same questions. What is reference #1 for? What information does reference #3 source? Readers and other editors will be within their rights to remove any information in here that doesn't have a citation next to it. It's not up to them to go looking through the sources you've cited to find which source says that Owens "had several fueds with management", etcetera. Osiris (talk) 07:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)