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Many of your articles seem to be copied from the English Wikipedia with a few changes. You shoudl definitely read Wikipedia:How_to_copy_from_another_Wikipedia to see how to copy appropriately. You should also read Wikipedia:How to write Simple English pages to see how to write in Simpler English. Only (talk) 23:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Michael McCrary

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Quick deletion of Vinny Testaverde

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Quick deletion of Orlando Brown (American Football)

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Quick deletion of Cornell Brown

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Quick deletion of Larry Webster

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Quick deletion of Jermaine Lewis

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Quick deletion of Chris McAlister

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Quick deletion of Jonathan Ogden

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Quick deletion of Jamal Lewis

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Quick deletion of Tyrod Taylor

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Quick deletion of Jamie Sharper

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Citing sources

Hi there. Can I please ask what you're doing here, here and here? Would you please take a look at CITEFOOT. While I commend you for adding references, it's not clear to anyone what information you're trying to source. Also, you should note that websites like IMDB and Facebook, that can be edited by anyone, are not considered reliable sources in most cases. Osiris (talk) 00:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

For the first here Carr was cut by the Ravens so I added that. The other two times I was making sure you could verify the info. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 00:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Which info in particular? Each of them contain about 20 sentences of info. Osiris (talk) 00:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Things like the DOB that were not cited. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, great. But see, nobody will know that because there isn't any connection between the weblinks you added and the DOB. So, you said that you wanted to cite a source that showed Carr was cut by the Ravens, right? Now, see what I do here. It results in a citation next to the information that you want to source. When you click on it, it highlights the source. In contrast, ref #2 is just sitting there—nobody knows what it's for. Am I making sense regarding what I'd like you to do? Osiris (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

OK. I'll check on how do do that as my skills with stuff like that is not too great. Sounds like a good suggestion. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 00:53, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

That's okay, everybody needs to learn it for the first time. Another thing you might consider is that, eventually, http://example.com/nfl/7465 can break—sometime in the future, the link will likely stop working. And your time spent finding it and adding it will be wasted. That's why, it's better to include the title of the page (and the name of the website, author, and other details if you like) so that if it breaks, people can easily find the page under a new url. You can do this by putting the title in brackets like this: [http://example.com/nfl/7465 Title], Example.com. This will appear as Title, Example.com.

If you have any other questions, don't be afraid to ask. Osiris (talk) 00:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

At this point, I should point out that my advice above was not really a "suggestion", but rather a strong entreatment. If you're not going to follow it, please at least adhere to the Manual of style regarding external links, and use bullets (*). If not, you're probably going to be looking at the same kind of reception that you got on the English Wikipedia. Osiris (talk) 03:15, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Please don't change "Other websites" to "External links", like you did in this edit. We use "Other websites" here on simple. Perhaps you could familiarise yourself with our Manual of Style? It differs to the English Wikipedia's in many respects. Osiris (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks and I will do that. I'm just used to English Wiki. Also, do you know why you have to use Wiki Commons for pics? Thanks, 1ravensnflfan (talk) 03:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Because we don't have a fair-use criteria for non-free content here on Simple Wikipedia. Short explanation: licensing issues, legal stuff. Any link to a file that doesn't exist on commons should be removed, since it won't work. Osiris (talk) 03:31, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I was just about to leave you a message about this same thing. In addition to the things mentioned above about placement of citations and formatting the reference lists, would you please include categories in your articles? Articles about people usually have at least the following:

• A category for the birth year
• Either a category for the death year, or Category:Living people if the person is alive
• A category indicating the person's nationality
• One or more categories related to what the person is noted for

Most articles about people also have a defaultsort specified so that they sort correctly in the categories. To see what I'm talking about, you can see this diff for changes I made to Jonathan Ogden. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. I don't understand these category/default something or other you're talking about. Could you please explain again? Sorry and thanks, 1ravensnflfan (talk) 01:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Terrell Owens

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Hello there, I decided against quick deletion of the article; in itself the player seems notable, and I don't believe in flagging copy-pastes. As stated, though, the article has some issues. Citations: use <ref>{{cite web|url=...}}</ref> or one of the other citation templates we have; at the end you sipmly place {{reflist}}, and it will autom,atically number the citations. I hope we can get rid of these issues, so that in the end, our article does not read like an enwp-copypaste. Welcome here, and have fun editing. --Eptalon (talk) 16:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The only thing is that I do not know how to do several things on here. Thanks for showing me again how to site. This is one of my only victories on Wikipedia. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 00:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Please clean up after yourself

Why are you still changing footnote formatting to this weird and messy style? You appear to have copied the article over from the English Wikipedia, but have re-formatted the references so that we can't see what's referencing what piece of information. I'm baffled as to why you're doing this. Given that you were banned from the English Wikipedia for these Manual of Style issues, I'd think you'd want to be careful about it here. Please go back and clean up the articles you have made already before making new ones with the same messy formatting. I've shown you how to do this above. Osiris (talk) 05:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Osiris here; you should clean up your newly created articles. Please comply with the Simple Wikipedia and English Wikipedia versions of the Manual of Style. Failure to do so might result in a block by the "one-strike" rule or for general violation of policy. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 17:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Again, I think people are overreacting. Still, I'm going around places trying to make things neater. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 01:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

You know at some points I feel like I should just undo all my edits and retire. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Defensive tackle

What does "In the National Football League, defensive tackles can were numbers in the 50s, 60s, and 90s." mean? Can you please take a little more time on that article? Gotanda (talk) 06:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

He means they "can wear numbers". Osiris (talk) 12:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about that. That was my fault. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 23:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Reference style in Matt Flynn

I believe you have already been cautioned about reference style. What are these in Matt Flynn? Slow down. Gotanda (talk) 11:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Other NFL teams

Hey, I see you edit the Baltimore Ravens article a lot, so I was wondering if you could help build the other 31 NFL team's articles? CRRaysHead90 | ^{We Believe!} 18:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to help out as much as possible (especially the NFL area). The Ravens are my favorite team, so I edit them the most. I edit other articles, as you can see. If you have any requests, I'll definetly look into them. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 18:31, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Wiki formatting in articles

Thanks for all your new sports-related articles. When you create articles, please note the following:

• Please include categories. If you are basing an article on an article at English Wikipedia, some (but maybe not all) of the categories used there should be good here as well. Articles for people usually include:
  • A category for the year they were born (such as Category:1965 births)
  • Either a category for the year they died (such as Category:1999 deaths), or the category Category:Living people if they are still alive
  • A category indicating their nationality (such as Category:French people)
  • One or more categories indicating what they are noted for. This could be for their occupation (such as one of your favorites, Category:Baltimore Ravens players) or something else (such as Category:Murderers)
  • Note: if there is a category that combines the last two items (such as Category:Russian actors), use that instead of the separate categories (in this case, Category:Russian people and Category:Actors)
• Please format references properly. The best way to do this is to use inline references. If you don't do that, then use standard Wikipedia list formatting to produce a bulleted list by putting an asterisk at the beginning of the line, like this:

* [http://www.site1.com/detail Details at site1.com]

• For articles that have corresponding articles at English Wikipedia, please include an "interwiki" link. That gives a link to the corresponding English Wikipedia article. If the English Wikipedia article has interwiki links to other languages, you can include those, too. Interwiki links are put near the bottom of the article and look like this:

[[en:Sterling Sharpe]]

Many of us will appreciate you doing these things. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Please work on improving articles: See Jameel McClain

You recently copied over the lead for Jameel McClain from En. There are several problems with this article.

• 1. You made minimal changes (Just added USA and changed "the Baltimore Ravens" to Baltimore in the second sentence. That change was not a good one. You linked Baltimore, but the city did not sign him, the team did. I changed that back, but now the article is essentially a copy and paste. Transwiki articles can be quick deleted.
• 2. You keep using this strange reference style.
• 3. No categories/no stub template.
• 4. Look at the instructions for Wikipedia:How_to_write_Simple_English_pages are follow those instructions, please. You can't just include football jargon with some explanation. Sentences should be simple subject-verb-object as much as possible.
• Please stop creating these barely changed stub articles and start improving. You are just making work for others. Gotanda (talk) 01:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

More: Jason Witten & Miles Austin Update Chuck Pagano too.

See QD request for Jason Witten. See changes for Miles Austin. They can't all be one of Tony Romo's favorite targets. (Besides, not referenced or in the source En article. Looks like OR to me.) You keep using "unsigned free agent", but that is sports jargon and not Simple English. Update: Also WD for unsimplified copy and paste Chuck Pagano. Gotanda (talk) 01:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello

Hi! I can see that you are trying to help but that you seem to be butting heads with us at times. I think we should all calm down and talk to each other. A lot of your work has been either nominated for deletion or else has been deleted. Part of this stems from the community failing to really write down that a cut and paste "snippet" is not really a QD:A3 and should just usually be fixed. Ideally you would take care of that for us. For instance here on simplewiki we use "Other websites" rather than "External links" because it's easier for our readers. We have to alway think of the reader afterall :) Let me know if you need help at all. fr33kman 03:05, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I use "other sites", by the way. I try to explain things (like giving a definition in parethises when I use a slightly complicated word). Also, about the stub-like articles that I have created, I feel that is the only way I won't be critisized. To explain, whenever I create an article that's not a stub, I get hounded for things like copying from English Wiki, not using simple English, not explaining my "jargon" (or whatever, also, to be simple, that's not a good word lol), and/or not citing correctly, etc. Once again, I really don't see what on Earth is so bad about that, as I have put down descriptions instead of plain links as soon as Osiris brought that to my attention. At least those stubs are there. Also, instead of deleting everything, how about you go change it, since you all are so smart? I also started adding some categories, even though I don't think it's nescessary. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 03:24, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I can understand how you feel but I think you can probably understand how others might see your actions also. We are the Simple English Wikipedia and we must use a MOS that encourages that. It is therefore mandatory to follow it, that's policy. As for you feeling that you should create only stub-like articles in order to avoid criticism well, be bold. Explaining things inline is an excellent way to help readers understand things. It should not, however, become too overwhelming so that the reader is going from an in-sentence mode to parenthetic back and forth too often. Links can be used to aid simplification by allowing the reader to read further about a topic. Redlinks are good and encourage new articles. Give it time and everyone just have a breath of fresh air and I'm sure you'll find a home here. Welcome! :) fr33kman 03:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

How are my Torrey Smith article and Willis McGahee contribs? 1ravensnflfan (talk) 00:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Just letting you know that I've had to remove a sentence from Willis McGahee (see this edit), because it claimed something negative about the person without a citation to a reliable source next to it. If you're claiming something about a living person that the person might not like, you need to provide evidence that this is not an original accusation. This is a legal issue that can be easily overcome with the use of citations (Auntof6 has outlined how to do this above). Osiris (talk) 08:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I added the "Bills hope Lynch will play (or whatever) not run his mouth source. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 21:47, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

This is exactly what happens when I create or add too much info. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 21:55, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Antonio Brown

Hi 1ravensnflfan. You created Antonio Brown earlier today, but you have already created an article for this guy in February - Antonio Brown (born 1988). Can you please merge the two and redirect one to the other. Osiris (talk) 10:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't know that there was already one. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 12:18, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Steve McNair

I see that you made a very large addition to the the article on Steve McNair. Some of it is word-for-word the same as English Wikipedia. You can't just copy and paste stuff from En Wiki to here. First, you really have to simplify it. I see you made some changes, but is still needs simplification. Also, you have to give attribution. That means you have to tell where the information came from and give credit. You must follow the directions when copying from English Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:How_to_copy_from_another_Wikipedia. Please take care of that. Gotanda (talk) 04:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Categories

I have gone over some of your edits looking at the categories. For the most part, they have been fine but there are some issues you may want to pay some attention to. Since you focus mainly on American football players, it is easiest to just point out what categories are considered standard for them.

The basic categories for any biographical article include: birth, death, nationality and reason for notability. Birth is a given. If the year is known it should be categorized. Death may not apply; if they are still alive, user Category:living people. The others are a bit trickier, but given we are looking at American football players, some things are usually consistent.

• Category:American football players - as long as they are American. "<nationality> athletes" if they are not (ie. Category:Brazilian athletes)
• Category: <team name> player - for each team they played for. You can skip those teams they were on but didn't play for (mainly just there for training camp then traded)
• Category: Athletes from <state> - Most states have this category for the athletes born there. In some cases, with large cities, there may be a city category that is a better choice (NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, Houston, etc; see here for a table of which cities and states have categories for athletes).

Over all, the categories on your articles have been great, but keeping these ideas in mind when you create new articles would be greatly appreciated. --Creol(talk) 02:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Warning

I've had enough of this. You've been asked kindly, told politely and plainly, and warned for these Manual of Style issues. You've been blocked indefinitely on the English Wikipedia for the same problem. You've been shown where to learn this, had it demonstrated to you step-by-step. Yet you continue, and have shown a complete lack of interest in addressing these concerns.

It's mostly been just irritating up until now, but this was the first time that you actually reverted someone cleaning up after you (with the dismissive edit summary, "Don't like this arrangement. In fact, I've never even seen it before."). Our good contributors should not be forced to sacrifice their own time to clean up after you in the first place. Your complete disregard for our style and layout guidelines, biography policies, and other contributors' precious time is completely unacceptable. Start taking this seriously.

• Here is our guide to layout
• Here is our style guideline — in particular here shows you how to properly format references
• Here shows you how and when to cite sources
• Here shows you how to add inline citations
• Most importantly, here is our policy regarding biographies of living people
• If it helps, use this as a model article

You've already passed your "one strike" a hundred times over. This is a final warning. Start sourcing those biographies properly. You've created 73 articles—almost all of which are biographies. Until you've cleaned up after yourself, if you create one more unsourced BLP, or knowingly violate our referencing styles one more time—I will block you. Again, if you have any questions or are unsure about anything, ask me. Osiris (talk) 07:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I've actually tried adding those inline citations, but it comes up like this: "Cite Error. There are <ref></ref> tags on this page, but they will not show up without tags. But you don't have to worry about me anymore. I am now semi retired and help only in images and making references clearer (labeling them). 1ravensnflfan (talk) 00:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

That's not the main issue here—it's that others have shown you how to do these above and you still don't do it. It's also that when you copy pages over from the English Wikipedia, you obviously remove the citations from the markup and reformat them so they're useless. In many of your deleted articles, often the only difference was that you had removed the citations.

However, in case you should return, I'll happily show you the reason for the error message above:

<ref>Some text must go between the reference tags in order for it to work</ref>

<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/misc/pb1996.htm|title= 1996 Pro Bowl rosters|pubisher=pro-football-reference.com|accessdate=23 March 2012}}</ref>

You can see here where a user did this for you. Osiris (talk) 09:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for posting this, Osiris. When I saw the summary "Don't like this arrangement. In fact, I've never even seen it before." I didn't have time to fix it then, but planned to come back and fix it and warn the editor. You've done a much more complete job of it. Plainly, the editor has seen this before, but is just disrupting this project. I'm not sure why we are waiting for a block or even a ban under our one strike policy. We have all been more than patient. 1ravensnflfan, clean up your act. Gotanda (talk) 22:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC) Update, 1ravensnflfan's changes to Jack Harbaugh made after Osiris' warning are still not helpful and do not show understanding. Time for administrative action, I think. Gotanda (talk) 22:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

OK fine, I'm done for good. Block me to be sure if you like. It's obvious that, despite trying, it just doesn't work out. I am now saying goodbye to my Wikipedia editing for good. So long (Hey User:Eagles247, how about that list?) Goodbye and sorry for some bad editing early on. It has been fun, especially my time on Simple Wikipedia. I won't do anything now. Fairwell, 1ravensnflfan (talk) 02:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Lets breathe

1. Admins and users, step back, take a breath. Do something you enjoy in life and ignore this for a second. Let it fall from your minds and look at it later and see how you feel.
2. 1Ravensfan: you have retired, semi-retired, "im ambiguous of my retirement state" over the last few posts... step back, calm down and make the decision you want to live with. Don't be "that guy" we see every day. Make a choice and stick by it.

In my current state, I'm the last person who should be handing out advice (I should be flaming some dumbass for various reasons) but even I'm seeing that people need to step back and breathe for moment. Tempers are flying, people are bandwagoning, (seriously, if you want to bandwagon, I got a RFD up for !vote you can jump in on.. it more productive than this and I like the grin I get with each support of my brilliantly worded reasoning).

There are issues here, they have been stated, then bunch of people jumped on or took offences or counter offensives.. .. step back, read, think and decide. Only then should comments be made. Level clear (and sober - not me) heads.. let them make their points. Emotional points are unproductive.--Creol(talk) 06:59, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's why I'm retiring: I have tried to help. I add reference descriptions, write in fairly simple English, and change things whenever I copy from English Wiki. Also, most of the articles I deal with only have 4 or 5 clearly labeled references, so they are easy to find without those citations. I thought I was making some good, simple, but productive edits. I thought I was helping, but it doesn't seem like I was, since everything I do somebody finds something wrong with it and comes here to threaten me. Also, someone already created a "hello," "relax" section above that accomplished nothing. It will take something spectacular to get me to come back. So, if somebody came up with some genius idea that works for everybody, please speak now or forever hold your peace. I'll check back for a reply. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 01:40, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Is anyone going to say anything or should I just decide myself what to do? 1ravensnflfan (talk) 13:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I was under the impression you had already decided to retire. If that is not the case, then my warnings to you still apply. I have given you the links to our policies and guidelines above. Eptalon has shown you how to add citations. Gotanda and Only have shown you where to read up on how to copy and simplify. Auntof6 and Creol have shown you how to add categories. Pmlineditor and Fr33kman have shown you where to find the manual of style. So what I suggest you do now is read these bits of information so that you know how to format wikicode, cite properly, comply with copyright laws and biography policies, etc. Another solution I would suggest is mentorship under one of our experienced editors. This is an arrangement where an editor supervises your work and lets you know where the problems are and how to fix them. If it works out well, we could probably even get the block on your enwiki account lifted. Osiris (talk) 14:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Obviously not working. I'm done. Please, could you do us all a favor and block me indefinetely? That way, this hassle is done. I'm retired. For good. Might wanna block my IP too. 1ravensnflfan (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, I want to be blocked. I passed my "1 and done" a long time ago, right? 1ravensnflfan (talk) 01:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)