Talk:Crich Tramway Village

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Papercuts

Just problems in the intro:

• What is an open-air museum? It is a museum with open windows? and outdoor museum?

  BTW, museum is BE international so part of the 1500, but should still be linked.

• Village, countryside, sweet shop, cafe, gift shop, Derby Assembly Rooms, façade, Red Lion Pub, Stoke, depots, exhibition, furniture (1500), United Kingdom, abroad, rescue, restore - All of these are non-BE terms (one is BE 1500 but not 850) and need to either be removed, replaced, linked or defined (Restore is defined, but not until nearly the end of the article).
• Distances should be listed as both imperial and metric (1 mile (1.6 kilometres))

One of the key points to always remember is that you are not writing in English. This is a separate language. While based on English, the vocabulary and grammar have differences. You are extremely limited in what words you can use and if you break those limits, you have to explain further what you are meaning to say (linking does most of this). In addition to the linking you commonly find on en:wp articles, we also need vocab linking to word that are not part of our vocabulary here. Editors need to be familiar with both the BE 850 and BE 1500 lists and try their best to limit themselves.

Grammar differences tend to fall mainly under the topic of sentence structure - one thought, one sentence. Short, simple, to the point and move on.

"The museum is set up as an Edwardian village with tram lines running one mile out into the countryside" - one sentence with two topics - both design and layout.

"The museum is built as an Edwardian village. It has tram lines going out 1 mile (1.6 kilometres) into the area around the village." Design is covered in sentence one, layout (the lines (which should likely link to Railway track)) in the other.

And all this comes just from the first two paragraphs. Not exactly uncommon though as many En:wp editors have difficulty adjusting to BE. Most just see it as a style of writing and not a separate (but similar) language/dialect. -- Creol(talk) 00:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, I will work on them now. With you're second bullet point, should each of these be linked then? Some are places (Derby Assembly Rooms; Red Lion Pub, Stoke;. This is my first article with SE, so it's bound to have issues. Please bear with me and I will try and fix them - i tried to make it as simple as possible (but I can do more! :D ) BG^7even 00:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i've made the changes you suggest - is that ok? If so, i'll move on to the rest of the article. Thanks, BG^7even 00:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

GA comments

Some things to consider before GA I think...

• Some sentences are a little too long to be considered Simple, e.g. "The museum was built on part of the old Cliff Quarry, which was bought by Stephenson's company and to link it to the limekilns at Ambergate a new metre guage railway was built, which sources claim is the first in the world."...Try shortening them.
• "mineral railway" is not Simple.

Hope these comments are helpful. Good luck! The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 17:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for those! There is rather a lot there, plenty to keep me going for a while! Would you mind if I asked if I needed help simplifying things? Thanks, Goblin 17:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Feel free. It´s nice to see some editors who appreciate a review and are prepared to work on articles before going through the currently flawed PGA process. I may not be around all the time (not until late March when I return, hopefully in one piece, to England) but feel free to ping me whenever. Good luck. The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 17:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes, I really do appreciate it! I agree with the part about the process being flawed and that we need to change it. Indeed, if Bastide is promoted (for example) then something will need fixing... though I do plan to try and close it myself as a "not promoted" if there are outstanding issues. No worries about when you get chance to respond - there really is no rush (i'd rather have a "real" Good Article than half the job!). I hope you enjoy the rest of your trip... and if you are ever near Derbyshire feel free to ping me ;) Cheers, Goblin 18:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool. If you close Bastide as you suggest, you may well cause havoc, which is good. Right now it passes, 5-1 so 86% support. I´m tempted to withdraw my oppose and withdraw any further support of this corrupt system until something is done about it. Gah. Let me know how I can help... Cheers for now. The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 18:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

TBH I think that is what is needed. Flaws have been identified, but I doubt anyone will really pay attention until "their" article isn't promoted. I don't base my closures on a !vote, I close them on consensus and the article's state. Thanks for the offer of help :) I'll leave comments on your points above as I do them, and i'll just wait for a response/work on them ;) Forgive me in advance if some seem quite obvious... this is my first GA at any wiki! Cheers, Goblin 18:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear. Consensus is what should be used, not voting. By the way, as far as I´m concerned, promotion of Bastide would constitute harm to Wikipedia, I´d be happy to support a case of WP:IAR here. The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeh, i'm sure others would as well. We'll see what happens. If I get chance i'll try and look into some of the issues you have raised (mainly to have not wasted your time!) but please understand that my time will be more devoted to "my" area of interest! (As i'm sure it would be with many!). Cheers, Goblin 18:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

reset I've added some more pictures and general cleanup. I think it is pretty much there. I'm going to nominate it and we can fiddle with it further in the two weeks prior to !voting. Thanks, Goblin 15:53, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done everything on the list :) It's just red links now! Goblin 18:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Timeline

In the timeline, it states that CTV started when a tram was bought for £10. Is this £10 in "old money", or in decimalised currency? —MC8 (b · t) 17:48, Tuesday August 11 2009 (UTC)

A Mess

In a word, this is a mess!

Needs a complete re-write or a roll-back to when it was passed to VGA status, as many bits are factually inaccurate, make no sense or something else.

I've done some sweeping up but don't have the time to do more. This has included re-wording the biggest inaccuracies and returning the photographs as they were - the new ones had no relation to the sections they were in, and looked pants.

Would suggest a VGA review on this, unless people roll it back. If you do the latter, i'll update it if you drop me a message on my talk.

Cheers,

Goblin 18:45, 20 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

You can always request a peer review for this article or a VGA reassessment. Worst case scenario would be demotion. —§ stay (sic)! 06:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm fully aware of the options, it was my area after all... If you haven't noticed, I'm inactive and haven't got time to do it, thus mentioned my concerns here in the hope that if someone shares them they can act. Cheers, Goblin 14:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!