Talk:Kingsway tramway subway

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My comments

Redlinks aside, here's my review.

• The debilita zasrana is a cut-and-cover Grade II Listed tunnel.[1] It is in central London. - These sentences could probably be merged.
• In 1898 it was decided to demolish the slum districts in the Holborn area and rebuild it. - What's a "slum"?
• It was built by the London County Council, and was decided to build this as an underground connection. - Needs clarifying; what is "this" referring to?
• The tunnel originally opened for use by single deck tramcars only - "Tramcars" needs a linky.
• The subway was used until 1952 when it was closed. - It was used until it closed? No way! :P Could this be reworded to avoid repeating the obvious?
• Other bits of jargon need links, like Subway, Surface line, etc.
• At the north end the approach near Southampton Row was an 170 feet (52 m) open cutting with a 1 in 10 (10%) gradient. - Is gradient simple enough?
• There was a ceremonial opening by the chairman of the Highways Committee. - Is ceremonial simple?

Got through the first couple sections. Lemme know when you're done with these and I'll finish up. Good work, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

All  Done! Goblin 22:19, 19 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

More /my/ comments

• tunnel[1] in central London. In 1898 it was decided to demolish the slum districts in the Holborn area and rebuild it.[1] - same ref used twice three times after each other. OneTwo is are unneeded.
• r use it.[1] The subway was closed in 1952.[1] P - the same
• ".[3] For a long time they wanted to join the two together. This would allow them to send trams from the "North Side" to the Central Repair Depot in Charlton in South East London for overhauls.[3] - adn again
• south.[1] From there a line that was not underground would continue over Waterloo Bridge.[1] - and again.
• and so on and so for. This problem comes up some more times. Please remove the unneeded refs.

  All above;  Doing... Goblin 16:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

   Done Goblin 17:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• Embankment - capitalized means normally important, means normally a link.

  Already linked above. Goblin 16:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• The first public tram was on 24 February 1906. - Sounds like the first tram ever was created then or so.

   Fixed Goblin 16:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• On the 16 November in the same year the routes were - not sure, but is there a comma missing?

  Nope, no comma, but still re-worded to make clearer. Goblin 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• underneath - should be linked.

   Fixed Goblin 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• junction - should be linked.

   Fixed Goblin 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• years' - typo?

   Fixed Goblin 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• last service ran on 2 February 1930 the tunnel - comma missing?
• Nope, no comma missing.
• Tram no. 1931 - an E/3 type - no shortcuts and what the heck is an E/3 type?

   Fixed Goblin 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• rebuilding in the heading and re-built in the prose. Please keep consistent.

   Fixed Goblin 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• entrance should be linked.

   Fixed Goblin 16:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• until recently - yesterday, last week, last month?

  Removed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Soon after this takeover they decided - comma between takeover and they missing?

   Fixed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• took place before the war - before which war? An odd civil war somewhere in Africa?

   Fixed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• no. 1379 - no shortcuts

   Fixed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• The first subway route to be close was route 31. - The first subway route to be closed was route 31.?

   Fixed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• However those in the subway - a comma missing?

   Fixed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• However proposals to convert the tramway - comma missing?

   Fixed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• bar/restaurants - One bar and more restaurants?

   Fixed Goblin 16:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• I'd like to see if the Other websites also use the cite web template

   Done Goblin 17:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

I guess, that I don't need to mention that I still see some red in the article even in the cats.

•  Doing... Goblin 17:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

I added several commas, but a good work at all.

Happy editing!

--Barras (talk) 18:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it really appropriate to use "cut-and-cover" to describe the type of tunnel it is when (1) "cut-and-cover" requires a link and (2) that link redirects to "tunnel" within which (3) there is no definition for what a "cut-and-cover" tunnel is? It complicates the article, which is supposed to be in "Simple English".--184.175.162.2 (talk) 06:07, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

FA Reassessment

Is this article really a featured article if there are 17 citation needed templates? Lallint (talk) 18:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Looks like they were all just added relatively recently but yeah can take some looking at. In general FAs here aren't quite as scrutinized as they are on en.wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC)