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Jean-Yves Lemoigne's article

Hi ! I just wanted to know what's wrong with the article "Jean-Yves Lemoigne", maybe I need more references ? Thanks for your help !

Have a great day.

Nathan

Wikipedia is not a place for CVs. Adding more references will not improve the situation, given the way the article is written. From your username, it appears that you may also have a conflict of interest. Chenzw  Talk  02:53, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Wikimedia Commons mobile app has a new version. It is now easier to find nearby places that need pictures. It helps you with direct uploads and title and category suggestions. The app only works on Android phones. [1]

Problems

• The abuse filters had a problem with blocks where you had changed how long they last. It used the default length everywhere. This was in late April. Abuse filter users should make sure the right block length is used and change them if needed. This is only for filters where how long blocks last had been changed. [2]

Changes later this week

• The advanced search function beta feature will be on all Wikimedia wikis. It makes it easier to use some of the special search functions that most editors don't know exist. [3]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 May. It will be on all wikis from 10 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 May at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
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Future changes

• All wikis with fewer than 100 high-priority linter errors in the main namespace will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 16 May. Other wikis will switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed on all wikis before July 2018. [4][5]

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16:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Mohamed Aboutrika

Hi, I really don't think the language was complex. I did simplify every sentence I took from en.wiki that I thought needed so, and there are a lot of sections there that I ignored because they were hard to simplify. I'm not a native English speaker BTW, I may have an advanced level, but me not being a native speaker and being able to completely understand what is written, I guess that makes it simple. I asked for an opinion from another user here and he agreed. I think "not showing many signs of conversion" isn't enough reason to judge it as complex, with my regards Mohamed^Talk 15:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Simplification is not a mere matter of replacing words and skipping/ignoring the parts you are unable to simplify. In this version of the article, almost every sentence was of the same structure as was the case on EN. Another editor has separately expressed interest in further editing it, so I have restored the page to their userspace at User:Vermont/Mohamed Aboutrika. Chenzw  Talk  16:09, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, more than half of the article is statistics and achievements, the leading section can't possibly be made simpler, then there is only his personal life, I did replace many words like you said without much change to the structure, but that's because I didn't think the structure was complex (or that I needed to change it anyways to make it just different), There are also some qoutes that I thought shouldn't be changed, I don't know if simplification applies to quotes too or not, thanks Mohamed^Talk 16:24, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Quotes, by definition, should not be modified. Again, I have to reiterate that simply substituting words is not simplification. Chenzw  Talk  16:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

well, I just would like to know how to make it simpler, I know of course simplification of sentences and grammar is as important as that of words, but I don't think in this article there is much to simplify. apart from unmodified qoutes, the leading section and statistics, there are only 4 or 5 small paragraphs, I don't think they can be simplified also without removing a part of the info given in the sentence or breaking the sentence into parts (which I don't think would make it better, it would be like replacing: " In Gaza, Palestinian people went out, raising Aboutrika's photos thanking him and appreciating what he did" to " In Gaza, Palestinian people went out. They raised Aboutrika's photos. They thanked him. They appreciated what he did", thanks Mohamed^Talk 17:07, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Here are some examples (not exhaustive) that get in the way of understanding:

• "Mohamed Aboutrika came second in the African Footballer of the Year award in 2008 after Emmanuel Adebayor, and was one of five nominees for the 2006 award, and one of the ten nominees in 2013 for the award." (note my emphasis)
• "One of Aboutrika's soccer role models, is the Egyptian player, Mahmoud El Khatib. while, off the pitch he takes the Prophet Mohammed as his role model."
• "He was given a yellow card for breaking FIFA's rule against displaying political slogans during play, but CAF didn't give him any punishments." - not only does this simplification consist of only word replacement, it also removes the nuances reflected in the EN version. Notice that in your attempt to simplify, you completely removed "and was said to face possible further sanctions". That clause is a crucial detail.

I suggest you get in touch with Vermont, who has a copy of the article in their userspace. Also please be mindful of WP:NPOV. Chenzw  Talk  17:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

First (altough it has nothing to do with the reason of deletion (as in the QD summary)): I am mindful of Neutral point of view, I took all the info from en.wiki (which obviously has no reason not to have neutral point of view. Tho ONLY info that needs verification is about what the people of Gaza did after his act (and there was actually a source but I removed it because it became a dead end)

• The first point you mentioned is what I just said in the last message, If the sentence is broken to more than one, It would have to many "He"s insted of too many "and"s
• yes, off the pitch is probaly complex, but I didn't give this one much importance
• I don't see the problem in removing "and was said to face possible further sanctions" as long as the next sentence is there, the next sentence gives an idea that he may have been punished. and I don't see what that has to do with being simple or not.
• Finally, Iam really assuming good faith and really just trying to help, I guess you didn't do the same when talking about neutral point of view. I don't need to praise him, there is nothing controversial here, and as I said, I didn't add a single piece of info from outside en.wiki (in which I didn't contribute to the article), thanks Mohamed^Talk 17:41, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

As a direct response to your points:

• I didn't say that you must split the text into numerous short sentences. However, what I quoted contains two conjunctions within the same sentence. This one sentence could be split into two sentences.
• Well, if you believed that it was not important, then we shall agree to disagree.
• In your attempt to simplify (which is a poor attempt, by the way, due to the aforementioned mere substitutions of words), you removed the fact about further sanctions being considered for the offense of displaying political symbols. This changes the meaning significantly:

• EN's version: he broke FIFA's rule (for displaying the symbols), and CAF was considering further sanctions, but ultimately decided not to.
• Your version: he broke FIFA's rule, but CAF didn't punish him at all.

• Cherry-picking content from the EN article to include in the article here is itself a form of bias. I note that the EN version had a section describing his asset freeze (which is not in this version), and am merely asking you to be mindful of this. I find it strangely ironic that you are accusing me of not assuming good faith when you yourself are not assuming good faith (by accusing me of not assuming good faith).

If you wish to dispute the deletion further, please make a new request on Wikipedia:Deletion review. Chenzw  Talk  18:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, yes, you are the one who is not assuming good faith, and it's not ironic at all I didn't "cherry-pick", I didn't even know the part of asset freeze existed in en.wiki (and BTW, if you search the subject well, he was removed from terror list in Egypt a few weeks ago (but this isn't yet on en.wiki but I can give you sources here if you are interested)). I am not obliged to add EVERY part of the the subject, I just took the first part of the article and personal life because I found it short then added the statistics and honours because they don't need simplification (and again that has Nothing to do with the reason of QD), I am not the one assuming bad faith.

although I don't think these minor observations are "crucial" and without them the article is "complex in language", would the article be restored if I follow them? Mohamed^Talk 18:24, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello Chenzw! I've done a bit of removing and rewording with the article, and think that it's ready. As you were the deleting administrator, I'd like you to clear it before I move it to the mainspace. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 22:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

well, I didn't know simplification = removing, there is nothing left in it now except for statistics and achievements. Again, about neutral point of view (which has nothing to do with the reason for deletion), I DiD Not add a single piece of info other than what already existed in en.wiki, so if you think there is a "NPOV" problem (although I don't think so), I guess that should refer to the en.wiki authour, and there are actually sentences that have citation needed template and that happens, not every single info is sourced even in en.wiki. Mohamed^Talk 23:41, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

There's multiple issues with the article you created in the mainspace. Just one of which was it's deletion reason; that it was essentially the same as the en.wikipedia article. Another was the NPOV issues, which are present in the en.wikipedia article as well. When you simplify an article from the English Wikipedia, you should not be blindly copying and rewording. Rather, you should be writing the article as though you were writing it yourself, making sure to follow guidelines and policies as one would if writing it themselves. Blaming it on the en.wiki article's writer is pointless; we are not here to discuss the merits of that article, nor are we an indiscriminate translation of English Wikipedia articles as is implied by you saying "I guess that should refer to the en.wiki authour..." Regarding your assertion that "simplification = removing", I removed content that was poorly sourced and promotional, as well as self-promoting quotes that don't belong in the article. Thank you, and happy editing. Vermont (talk) 01:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Just to be clear, it is 100% acceptable to copy an enwiki article exactly if two conditions are met: 1) the enwiki article is already in simple language (some are, although not many), and 2) you give appropriate attribution. That is the whole point of the licenses Wikipedia operates under. Mohamed, if you haven't already done so, I recommend reading Wikipedia:How to write Simple English pages and Wikipedia:How to copy from another Wikipedia to learn more about the kind of simple writing required here. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:07, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

user:Auntof6, that was my point in the first place (Not showing much conversion isn't enough to judge it as complex), before it became all about my bias and NPOV, anyways thank you all, I don't like that kind of long pointless discussions and maybe never had to go through them, I'll try to be better at simplification, you must be more experienced than me in that and have a point, thanks Mohamed^Talk 10:01, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Reporting mistaken revert and comment on notification

I was surprised at this revert. I suspect it was because it was my first edit on this encyclopedia. I normally edit on the English Wikipedia.

It's not clear from your {{Usertalkback}} notice if you support using WP:Notifications to let editors know about your replies on this page. The {{u}} and {{ping}} templates make the process easy. Marc Kupper (talk) 07:38, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

@Marc Kupper: Yes, the bot takes only the edits on this wiki into consideration when evaluating the edit. I have added this false positive to the training database. I don't typically use the notifications system because this is a small wiki and most editors watch each other's talk pages. However, I will do so since you prefer that. Chenzw  Talk  07:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Dynamic maps are now available on most Wikipedias. Labels on maps can also be in different languages.
• The new Advanced Search interface is now available as a Beta Feature on all wikis. This makes it easier to learn about and to use many of the powerful options in our search. Feedback is appreciated. [6]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 May. It will be on all wikis from 17 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• In the mobile view, warnings for when something is wrong with a page are not as clear as they should be. The developers are working on this. You can give feedback and suggestions.
• The developers are working on making the Wikipedia Android app available in more languages. You can give feedback, suggestions and help test it. Read more on mediawiki.org [7]

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22:22, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello

The page you recently deleted about 'mike dichen' has notabilit https://m.imdb.com/name/nm9847121/ Hear is the link you can check he is an actor

No, it doesn't. It merely asserts his existence as an actor. Notability is more than that. Chenzw  Talk  02:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Do you want any addtional links2409:4070:2007:B26B:7FED:2027:2A9E:1DAA (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I am not responsible for writing your article, so giving me links achieves nothing. Chenzw  Talk  02:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Very rude reply then you deleted my artical which i have contributed with reference and telling i am not responsible i have gave you the reference from top site (imdb)and you are telling there is no notblity

I am merely stating facts. The existence of an IMDB page tells us nothing about notability. It looks like you are equally rude since it is obvious you haven't read our guidelines on notability yet. If you have read the guideline, you would have known that mere existence as an actor does not immediately confer notability. I have no desire to continue this discussion further. Chenzw  Talk  03:03, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 May. It will be on all wikis from 24 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• It could become easier to reference different pages of a book in an article. You can give feedback. The last day for feedback is 27 May.

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17:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Multi-colon issues

Did you finish working on these? I ask because I found some more cases on soft redirect pages. See this search output for details. I could fix them, but I thought I'd run it by you first in case you already have a script set up to fix them. Or maybe the soft redirect template should be changed to recognize that it doesn't need to add another colon. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:41, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I have finished those that are not related to the template. I haven't gotten the chance to look at {{soft redirect}} yet, so please feel free to add the fix if you have one. Chenzw  Talk  07:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I fixed the pages that specified the colon. I'll leave the template for you. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:31, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use global preferences on most wikis. This means you can set preferences for all wikis at the same time. Before this you had to change them on each individual wiki. Global preferences will come to the Wikipedias later this week. [8][9]
• It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked. [10]
• Wikidata now supports lexicographical data. This helps describe words.
• There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups. [11]
• Some rare invisible Unicode characters have recently been banned from page titles. This includes soft hyphens (U+00AD) and left-to-right (U+2066) and right-to-left (U+2067) isolate markers. Existing pages with these characters will soon be moved by a script. [12]
• There's a new Wikimedia Foundation team to support the Wikimedia technical communities. It's called the Technical Engagement team. Most of the team members did similar work in other teams before this. [13]

Problems

• Some translatable pages are showing old translations instead of latest ones. The cause of this issue has been fixed. We will update all pages automatically to show the latest translations. [14]

Changes later this week

• There will be a new special page named PasswordPolicies. This page gives information about the password rules for each user group on that wiki. [15]
• A new way to see moved paragraphs in diffs is coming to most wikis. This is to make it easier to find the moved paragraphs and the changes in them. [16]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 May. It will be on all wikis from 31 May (calendar).
• Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. This is complex. The tool will now disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. It has warned about this in the JavaScript console since February. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it. [17]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 29 May at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Content Translation drafts which have not been updated in over a year will be removed. This allows other users to translate those articles. [18]
• A survey is collecting information on what users think about how Wikimedia wiki pages are loaded. This information could be used in future development. [19]
• Some wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 30 May and 13 June. Wikis with fewer than 100 linter issues in the main namespace in all high-priority linter categories will switch. This includes Wikidata. Tidy will probably be removed on all wikis in the first week of July. [20][21]

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12:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Original Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts for contributing to Wikipedia. Path slopu (Talk) 15:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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