User talk:Ferien/Archives/2024/May

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Request

@Ferien, please I want to know why https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_Woman_in_This_Village_is_a_Liar was deleted. You didn't leave a note. Please don't be angry.

Usimite (talk) 13:26, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Usimite. Sorry I didn't explain the reason more fully. The page was deleted because there is no claim to notability, so the topic likely doesn't pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 13:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

It was deleted under QD A4. DIVINE 13:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The subject passed WP: GNG , except they have changed it Usimite (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Usimite, I should note that passing WP:GNG and having a claim to notability/significance are different things, and in fact, the bar for A4 (A7,9,11 on enwiki) is intentionally much lower than the bar for notability. In that article, there was no claim that showed the subject was significant, let alone notable. If you can rewrite the article to prove otherwise, then it'd be kept. --Ferien (talk) 15:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Requesting flood flag

Hi, could I please have flood flag so I can add "establishments" categories to counties in U.S. states (at least Colorado and Texas)? It will take less than one hour. Kk.urban (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Go for it. Let me know if you finish before the expiry and I'll remove it then. --Ferien (talk) 17:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 17:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien: This is slower than I thought it would be. If you're still around, I could use flood flag for another hour. If not, no worries! Kk.urban (talk) 18:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: Sorry, I was away for a few minutes. Do you still need it? --Ferien (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien: Yes, please. Kk.urban (talk) 18:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien: Thanks, I'm done now. Kk.urban (talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Removed, thanks! --Ferien (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-19

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Heinrich Bünting Please be bold and help translate this article! Heinrich Bünting (1545 – 1606) was a Protestant pastor and theologian. He is best known for his book of woodcut maps titled Itinerarium Sacrae Scripturae (Travel book through Holy Scripture) first published in 1581. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Example of a talk page with the new design, in French.

• The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias (a few have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes on Diff. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences ("Show discussion activity"). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks. [1][2]
• Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the SiteAdminHelper. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found at the extension's page. [3]
• Wikimedia Enterprise has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [4]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar). [5][6]
• When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs". [7]

Future changes

• A new service will be built to replace Extension:Graph. Details can be found in the latest update regarding this extension.
• Starting May 21, English Wikipedia and German Wikipedia will get the possibility to activate "Add a link". This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to all Wikipedias. These communities can activate and configure the feature locally. [8]

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Removal of QD tags

Hi, Just wondering if you can look at Alex Lukason (actor). I've added QD tags a few times, only for them to be removed. Thanks! Yottie ^=talk= 16:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

That's resolved, thanks! --Ferien (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey

Can you add "Joseph Kony.png" to the wikipedia article about Joseph kony. Not the simple English Wikipedia article about Joseph kony, but on the main English Wikipedia article about him? MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

MilkAndStrawberryPutin, I'm sorry, but I am not going to do that for you. Please do not use this wiki as a tool to get proxy edits for enwiki. --Ferien (talk) 19:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

What's proxy edits and what's the problem with them? MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 20:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

MilkAndStrawberryPutin, that is explained on w:WP:PROXYING, over on enwiki. To quote from that page, Editors in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned or blocked editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits. If an editor is blocked and another editor just makes the edits for them as though nothing happened, there isn't really a point in that first editor being blocked if the second editor is just going to be doing the same thing. --Ferien (talk) 20:56, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I was blocked because I got annoyed with another editor and I started acting like a jerk, I tried to make appeals but I don't think anyone's reading my newest one where I explained i changed. Also, in your quote, you said "unless they are able to show productive/independent reasons for edits." There's multiple definitions of the words independent and productive on Google, which definition are you talking about when you use those words? And how do I show that the edits are productive or independent once I find out which definition your talking about, who do I talk to? MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 21:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

MilkAndStrawberryPutin, the changes need to be productive (I would interpret that as constructive/helpful) and the editors making the edits on behalf of the blocked editor need to have independent reasons for making such edits (ie their own reasons, not just the blocked editor's). --Ferien (talk) 11:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I already talked to another editor and he did the edit for me but logged out of his account so he doesn't get blocked for making edits for a blocked editor. I think his edit was helpful because it shows the reader what Joseph Kony looks like and it makes the article look good. And the guy that made the edit had an independent reason for making the edit, he felt like it would make the page nicer and he agreed with me. So yeah, hopefully that edit doesn't get undone because it makes the article look good or something MilkAndStrawberryPutin (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Larry

Hi Ferien, Hope you're well, I'm confused by your edit summary here - How is reverting a globally-banned user edit warring ?, Should we stop reverting and allow the vandalism to stand until an admin comes on to block the IP whom in 5 minutes will be back adding his rants again?.... I'm baffled...., Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 17:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Davey2010, It doesn't meet the exact definition for edit warring, as it is vandalism and so should definitely be reverted, but entertaining him by reverting constantly actually makes the situation worse, by flooding the history and recent changes with his attacks that are very often eligible for RevDel and occasionally oversight. If it is left until he is blocked at least (per w:WP:BRI), there's nothing for him to do. But when he's reverted, it's a new roll of the dice for whether he'll decide to just revert back or produce an edit summary attacking editors, imo. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ferien, So much I wanna say but per BEANS I'll keep hush, Your idea's a good one and one I will follow, Thank you for explaining that - it actually makes sense now you've explained it :), Many thanks, Warm regards, –Davey2010^Talk 17:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

On a related topic, I would like to hear if you have any recommendations in light of this conversation on Meta-Wiki: meta:User talk:EPIC#SRG abuse filter. If not, that's fine. Kk.urban (talk) 17:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to email me if necessary. Kk.urban (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kk.urban, this is probably somewhere where my personal views differ slightly from the steward team, in that it can be useful to block the IPs he uses in almost all cases, as long as it was used within the last few hours. Unless he's found some magical teleportation machine to travel between continents (surprised that's not one of his claims yet), the IPs he uses are almost definitely P2P proxies and there have been instances in the past where he's used the same IP a few days later. So generally, I prefer to block these IPs for about a week at a time, as they can either be used again a few days after or just go back to not being proxies. From a steward POV though, it is often quite difficult to block every IP GRP has been using (usually only on a single wiki), and when SRG is backlogged, reports can very easily become stale. They encourage IRC reports for that reason, to ping active stewards, although I disagree with that because all SRG reports are logged on IRC anyway, and using IRC shouldn't be a requirement. If a steward is active at the time, like EPIC was in this situation, then reports aren't needed as they are watching our wiki and helping out for us. I hope this answers your question. --Ferien (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

PP Request

Hi @Ferien, Can you protect all of my userpages? Thankyou (: DIVINE (talk) 17:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

DIVINE  Done :) --Ferien (talk) 18:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-20

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Ruyan (district) (fa:رویان (طبرستان)) Please be bold and help translate this article! Ruyan (Persian: رویان), later known as Rustamdar (رستمدار), was the name of a mountainous district that encompassed the western part of Tabaristan/Mazandaran, a region on the Caspian coast of northern Iran. In Iranian mythology, Ruyan appears as one of the places that the legendary archer Arash shot his arrow from, reaching the edge of Khorasan to mark the border between Iran and Turan. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-20

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word __EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__ to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [9]
• If you use the user-preference "Show preview without reloading the page", then the template-page feature "Preview page with this template" will now also work without reloading the page. [10]
• Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the alt= attribute. This is identical in usage to the alt= attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [11]
• The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [12]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar). [13][14]
• The Special:Search results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [15]

Future changes

• In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [16]
• Two columns of the pagelinks database table (pl_namespace and pl_title) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the new linktarget table instead (lt_namespace and lt_title). In your existing SQL queries:
  1. Replace JOIN pagelinks with JOIN linktarget and pl_ with lt_ in the ON statement
  2. Below that add JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id
  • See phab:T222224 for technical reasoning. [17][18]

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Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-21

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Turlough (lake) (de:Turlough) (no:Turlough) Please be bold and help translate this article! A turlough is a seasonal or periodic water body found mostly in limestone karst areas of Ireland, west of the River Shannon. [...] The water bodies fill and empty with the changes in the level of the water table, usually being very low or empty during summer and autumn and full in the winter. As groundwater levels drop the water drains away underground through cracks in the karstic limestone. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. [19]
• New changes have been made to the UploadWizard in Wikimedia Commons: the overall layout has been improved, by following new styling and spacing for the form and its fields; the headers and helper text for each of the fields was changed; the Caption field is now a required field, and there is an option for users to copy their caption into the media description. [20][21]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar). [22][23]
• The HTML used to render all headings is being changed to improve accessibility. It will change on 22 May in some skins (Timeless, Modern, CologneBlue, Nostalgia, and Monobook). Please test gadgets on your wiki on these skins and report any related problems so that they can be resolved before this change is made in all other skins. The developers are also considering the introduction of a Gadget API for adding buttons to section titles if that would be helpful to tool creators, and would appreciate any input you have on that.

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2024-22

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Geiranger Church (no:Geiranger kirke) Please be bold and help translate this article! Geiranger Church (Norwegian: Geiranger kyrkje) is a parish church of the Church of Norway in Stranda Municipality in Møre og Romsdal county, Norway. It is located in the village of Geiranger, and the end of the famous Geirangerfjorden. It is the church for the Geiranger parish which is part of the Nordre Sunnmøre prosti (deanery) in the Diocese of Møre. The white, wooden church was built in an octagonal design in 1842 using plans drawn up by the architect Hans Klipe. The church seats about 165 people. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-22

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Several bugs related to the latest updates to the UploadWizard on Wikimedia Commons have been fixed. For more information, see T365107 and T365119.
• In March 2024 a new addPortlet API was added to allow gadgets to create new portlets (menus) in the skin. In certain skins this can be used to create dropdowns. Gadget developers are invited to try it and give feedback.
• Some CSS in the Minerva skin has been removed to enable easier community configuration. Interface editors should check the rendering on mobile devices for aspects related to the classes: .collapsible, .multicol, .reflist, .coordinates, .topicon. Further details are available on replacement CSS if it is needed.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 May. It will be on all wikis from 30 May (calendar). [24][25]
• When you visit a wiki where you don't yet have a local account, local rules such as edit filters can sometimes prevent your account from being created. Starting this week, MediaWiki takes your global rights into account when evaluating whether you can override such local rules. [26]

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