User talk:Tygrrr/Categories

Cities

Actually, maybe we better talk about this before I do anything. I noticed that on en:wiki all the cities are at City, State (or Province or whatever). But then when I looked at the interwiki links at Category:Atlanta, Georgia (for example) I noticed that all the other languages just have it as Category:Atlanta. We should standardize whatever we do. I would lean towards City, State instead of just City. What do others think? · Tygrrr... 20:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I can see this going both ways. World viewpoint is just the city, US naming convention is City, State. I tended to go with least ambiguous when I created cats, so a lot of the largest cities are name only (not likely we would ever need a cat for Miami, Ohio or Paris, Texas). I realy do not have a preference either way with the one exception of New York. It is actually the only one I could find listed on en:wp as city only (cat:New York City). We also need to double check the IW's for the large city cats as the en: link on most is likely pointing at the City only version. The page actually does exist in many cases but it is a cat redirect to the City, State category. -- Creol(talk) 20:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't particularly feel strongly one way or the other either. However, I do feel pretty strongly that we need to have a unified system. I think we need to decide one way or the other. Or at least make sure we're using the same system within each country (In other words, we use, for example, one system within the US and one system within Japan. They can be different systems from each other though.) · Tygrrr... 16:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to suggest we follow en:wiki's lead. They've discussed it a lot more than we have so they must have a reason for having it set up the way they do (at least I assume so...). In the US and Canada it is City, State and City, Province respectively. I haven't looked everything else up but it seems like most or all of Europe just uses the city. Australia seems to use both city and City, State/Territory. So we'd need to pick a system for Australia. Unless there are objections, I will go ahead with this plan. · Tygrrr... 15:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Europe uses City name only. The common disambiguation in Germany, one of the few federal countries, is the PLZ, the zip code, rather than the state. There is a problem in England where government reorganisation in 1974 meant many towns gave their names to a larger district. Thus Houghton, Washington and Sunderland created the district of Sunderland. At the same time Stoke-upon-Trent became the largest part of Stoke-on-Trent. For England therefore I suggest district and county--Bärliner 22:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirects? Delete?

My question now is: what are we doing with cats we change over? For example, if I move Cat:Victoria to Category:Victoria, British Columbia, do I delete the original or keep it as a redirect or do something like this (kind of a soft redirect for categories)? · Tygrrr... 20:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I created a possibility for a soft category redirect. So what do you think? Should we do it?

This category can be found at [[:{{{1}}}]]. Note: This category page should be empty. Any articles in this category should be moved to [[:{{{1}}}]].

· Tygrrr... 22:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Since there was no objection, I created {{catredirect}} to be used for soft redirects. · Tygrrr... 16:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice job. Indeed, I forgot to express my agreement before, so I do it now. - Huji ^reply 22:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible breakdown of religious people

Although the subject is brought up on Simple talk, this seems a more appropriate place to toss out ideas on the subject.

Overall, I think the basic "people to continent", "people to occupation" model would work fine for religious people. As such using American Roman Catholic priests for example:

• Category:Religion, Category:People
  • Category:Religious people
    • Category:Religious people by religion
      • Category:Christians
        • Category:Christian Clergy
          • Category:Christian Clergy by denomination
            • Category:Roman Catholic priests
              • Category:Roman Catholics priests by nationality
                • Category:American Roman Catholic priests
        • Category:Christians by denomination
          • Category:Roman Catholics
            • Category:Roman Catholics by nationality
              • Category:American Roman Catholic
                • Category:American Roman Catholic priests
            • Category:Roman Catholic priests
              • Category:Roman Catholics priests by nationality
                • Category:American Roman Catholic priests
        • Category:Christian by nationality
          • Category:American Christians
            • Category:American Christians by denomination
              • Category:American Roman Catholic
                • Category:American Roman Catholic priests
    • Category:Clergy
      • Category:Clergy by religion
        • Category:Christian Clergy
    • Category:Religious people by nationality

Of course this would be the "Way down the road when we get enough articles" model and it would be flushed out for all the denominations and religions, but the overall structure should work. We probably won't need most of the categories for realy long time (if ever), but the basic model is there. -- Creol(talk) 18:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Colleges and universities

Anyone have a preference as to whether, for example, Cat:Colleges and universities in Canada be placed in Cat:Colleges and universities by country|Canada and Cat:Canada, or Cat:Colleges and universities by country|Canada and Cat:Buildings and structures in Canada? I'm kind of torn. Few, if any, colleges and universities are a single building but rather a collection of buildings. I could go either way. Right now I just have all the universities in their country, not the buildings and structures in the country. · Tygrrr... 19:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I would lean more towards not using the buildings and structures for the category as it is possible or a college not to have an actual building (online schools) and the buildings themselves are most often unimportant. I would tend to list an article under Buildings only if the building was notable itself (or if no other option presented itself). With colleges, the buildings tend to be incidental to the actual subject in most cases. The college is usually an independant entity that just happens to be using a building to do its business. If we were to start to get articles on the actual buildings (some are notable for various reasons), those would need a category tying the two branches together. This would all follow the same line of thinking for most companies. Companies use buildings, but they are not known for the buildings (normally). -- Creol(talk) 22:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Cities (pt 2)

Due to the different definitions of cities and other places people live from country to country another issue is growing. Most countries have listings for "Cities in...", "towns in..", etc. Often to be called a city, there are certain legal restrictions and these vary between countries. Also the cities are often technically towns but since we did/do not have enough towns/villages/hamlets/communes/etc's to warrent the separation, they were all lumped into cities for many countries. The article intros are not alway helpful either as people interchange city and town very often when writing the articles.

As such, and taking a hint from the Swiss, I started grouping all these places into "municipality" based cats on the basis that a municipality is a place people live. Cities, town, villages, hamlets, Census designated places.. they are all types of municipalities. This also cleans up many of the main country cats as there is not a need for the three main sub-types. The basic layout is the same for the sub-types (geographically based with a separation for "by country" as well as per continent)

Also as a side point on the confusing country - United Kingdom vs the four main parts: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all being double categorized as independant countries (ie: Cities by country|England) as well as parts of the UK (ie. Cities in the United Kingdom|England). This pretty much only applies to the four non-overseas/non-dependency members of the UK when dealing with country level locations. The other Commonwealth countries keep their categories separate from the UK itself. Non-country status commonwealth members sould still fall under the basic UK category where applicable. -- Creol(talk) 22:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)