Wodanaz

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Categories

You have started rearranging the nationality categories into tribal groupings. This will not work. By putting "[[Category:Irish people]]" into the Celtic people category you exclude the non-Celtic peoples, especially of Northern Ireland. Likewise many people listed in the "English people" nationality are Celtic rather than Germanic. The many Sorbians are "German people" as far as nationality but Slavic by the tribal groupings you use - Germany is the only country to grant Sorbian a protected language status under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. -- Barliner  talk  16:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

They are culturally Celtic in Ireland, atleast the bulk of their traditions and in England they are Germanic. The categories are not, and should not be, about genetics. It will work and, in my opinion, has. If you are on about genetics or 'minorities' then the groupings are still accurate. English people is also a sub-group of British people which is primarily Celtic, infact the Britons/Bretons are Celtic.

It is worth noting that on the non-simple wikipedia the grouping system is similar to mine. Wodanaz 21:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

You cannot make a list of "English People" a subcategory of "Germanic People". The cartegory English People is part of the larger Nationality category, not the ethnic category. "English people" by the definition of nationality includes those whose recent ancestry is African or West Indian. Please don't mix an ethnic description with a legal one. --Bärliner 21:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Have you even read my comment? We are not talking about genetics. Wodanaz 17:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

But you are. The article English people refers to an ethnic group. It could be included within the category of Germanic peoples. The category:english people is based purely on nationality and as such cannot. How other wikipedia choose to group categories is their choice, and not one which can be forced upon SEWP in the way in which you have tried. --Bärliner 18:02, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

The English people are a Germanic people (e.g. Angle = Engle = English). You are thinking too genetically. Whilst people of African origin do live in England the English culture is Germanic. If you think that ethnicities are races the English would still be Germanic. Ethnicities are not, however, genetical but cultural; if they were genetical the people of African, Celtic, Indian etc wouldn't be English.

Actually, legally people of Asian and African extraction are not ethnically English (I should know, trust me) but English citizens; the legal system of England thinks in genetics which is wrong as culture defines an ethnic group, and that culture is Germanic with influences from other cultures namely the Celts and the Romance peoples (the French, the Italians etc).

British really refers to the Celtic people that populated the islands before the English, however, due to cultural links it is in the British category. It has a large cultural link with the other Germanic peoples and thus should stay within that category also, regardless of genetics Wodanaz 18:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. The English people are a germanic people. But the "category english people" is about a nationality, not a culture. That is why it is wrong to mix the categories as you have been doing. And because it is a nationality category it is right to include M.I.A in the category english people but not in the category germanic people as she has no germanic roots--Bärliner 18:14, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Nationality and culture, though it should not be used for racism (e.g. by the PM), should not be seperated too much. What is a nationality without a culture?

How can an 'English' category not have Germanic roots? The nationality or country was founded by Germanic people based upon a common Germanic culture and a common Germanic language. The language and traditions of the nationality are primarily Germanic with influences from other cultures (especially Romance and Celtic).

It isn't wrong to include it. The 'ethnic' article should not boil down to genetics (which would be your only objection as the culture is most deffinately Germanic as is the language). Just because someone has African, Indian etcetera blood it doesn't mean he isn't English or Germanic. The category is an extension of the English article, it should belong in the Germanic category and the British category and the Ethnic groups of the UK category. The Scandinavian categories, the Dutch categories, the German and Austrian categories should, likewise, remain in the Germanic category. Wodanaz 18:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

We've given you plenty of warning about the category. Please stop and desist from changing the category. Razorflame (contributions) Talk 18:29, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Warning? Ha! This is, I thought a debate; my argument is valid as I have both legal knowledge and also knowledge about the history of England and its people.

Why should I be intimidated by you? Because you are an admin, I suppose? Ha! So it boils down to corruption? My changes to the categories are not against the rules and just because you are an admin it doesn't make you superior than I. I came to this sorry excuse of a 'wiki' because tha articles are lacking and have numerous inaccuracies. If I can write articles for adults I think I have a right to correct mistakes and I feel the moving of the English category out of the Germanic category is a mistake and have given numerous reasons to why, which I feel you two have not even considered.

Are you the same person by the way? Are many of the administrators as they all show a lack of individuality and a high amount of companionship. This is an honest question as I have seen this thing before. You will likely try to ban me for saying that which, again, would be a sign of corruption. Also, I suggest that you, as admins, deal with problems more politely. Wodanaz 18:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I am not an admin. Razorflame (contributions) Talk 18:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Then don't try to "warn me"! You have no right to try to command me to stop or start anything. Good day, sir or madam.Wodanaz 18:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Blocked temp

You have failed to take into account this wikis use of legal nationality and cultural ethnic groups. You have refused to accept that this wiki has an established category tree. You have been rude to admins and editors and accused them of corruption.

Take this as a cooling off period.

You have been temporarily blocked from editing because of your disruptive edits. You are invited to contribute in a constructive manner as soon as the block expires. Bärliner 18:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

I also repeat a message which was lost in numerous edit conflicts. This wiki has a system which allows for legal nationality as well as for a cutural or ethnic group. The two are seperate and cannot be mixed--Bärliner 18:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)