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Simple talk
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Dark Mode

Could dark mode ever come to the Simple English Wikipedia? Dingothegorg 14:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I honestly don't think so. Simple is far behind en-wiki. Perhaps someone could make a script that could do this (though I doubt a script can do this). But dark mode would be epic. 💠Ely - Talk💠 14:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I think it could be added, since the one on en-wiki simply inverts the colors. This is true even for images, but they do get inverted back into what they normally are. Washing Machine of Lies (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Actually, you can add dark mode to any wiki! You simply need to add this line to the very top of your Special:MyPage/common.css:

:@import "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-dark-mode.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css";
:

I found that information here on the regular English wiki. Washing Machine of Lies (talk) 14:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

_*Gasp* thank you! 💠Ely - Talk💠 14:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Nvm, it doesn't work. I'm using the nightpedia script instead. 💠Ely - Talk💠 14:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

@Elytrian: You're supposed to use common.css not common.js. Dingo^Talk 14:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Ehh. Nightpedia is wayyy better than dark mode anyway. (emojis look very cool) 💠Ely - Talk💠 16:27, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Technically you shouldn't have emoji's in your signatures anyway. Pictures are not allowed in signatures. -Djsasso (talk) 18:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I have a working dark mode script that works here on simple wiki. Just need to pull it out, let me know if you are interested --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 19:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Do emojis count as images? SHB2000 (talk) 01:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Of course they are. They don't stand for sounds, do they? Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:49, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Reply tool for everyone

Hello, all. I have good news about the mw:Talk pages project.

The Reply tool puts the [reply] button on talk pages. Next week, everyone will have the Reply tool turned on. You will be able to turn it off in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion. You can read more about it at mw:Help:DiscussionTools.

You can try it out now by turning on "Discussion tools" in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. The Beta Feature will also add a [subscribe] button to each ==Level 2 section== on a talk page. If you subscribe to the section, then you will get Special:Notifications if someone adds a new comment to that section (but not if they fix typos or edit other parts of the page). This can be very helpful on busy pages, especially if you only want to follow one conversation. Please try it out and share your thoughts at mw:Talk:Talk pages project/Notifications. (Only the Reply tool will be turned on for everyone. The other Discussion tools are still being tested.)

Please let me know if you have any questions. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

This is  Done! Please let me know if you run into any problems. There is some technical information at mw:Help:DiscussionTools/Why can't I reply to this comment? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I've been using the reply function and it's very helpful. It figures out the correct indents for you and adds your signature. I highly recommend that people try it. Auntof6 (talk) 23:41, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

The only think I hate about it is the autosign feature. SHB2000 (talk) 23:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

What issue do you have with that? It works fine for me, but I don't use a custom signature. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

It works fine even with custom signatures --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

it helped me alot thank you. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 01:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Not a problem on this wiki, but it is an issue on other wikis. SHB2000 (talk) 01:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Automatic signatures was one of the main requests from the communities in the massive multi-wiki, multi-lingual consultation at the start of this project. I don't think that the team will disable that feature. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

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Which one? --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 01:44, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

• Reply tool should also work on mobile devices. —Yahya (talk • contribs.) 20:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

  @PPelberg (WMF) will be happy to see your comment, @Yahya, because the Editing team wants to do that soon.

  Obviously, getting the Reply tool on the mobile site requires a bit of work, but the key design elements are done. One thing to notice: while you're typing on the desktop site, the editing box is moved over. It makes the box narrower, but you can see where your comment will go. On a smartphone, if the box gets narrower, there will not be enough room to type. On mobile, the box will be the full size. When you post your reply, it will end up in the right place. It will only be full size while you are typing. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:32, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Need help!

I don't want to lose on info on this article, so maybe some of you could come and help me simplify it? The article (though technically a draft, is massive.) ^{_{You might want to see this as well.}} 💠Ely - Talk💠 16:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@Elytrian You don't mind me editing in your userspace, do you? SHB2000 (talk) 13:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Nope. 💠Ely - Talk💠 14:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Category:M w

Not sure the proper way to rename a category but Category:M w needs a more descriptive name. I had to go to enwiki's version of the category en:Category:Articles using Mw magnitude scale to figure out what it was for. Nunabas (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah it was renamed at en.wiki. The template that was putting the articles there has been updated to go to the new category that en.wiki uses. -Djsasso (talk) 11:52, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Adding twinkle

Hello. I looked in my settings under the gadgets tab and I was not able to find Twinkle. How do I install Twinkle? Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mikehawk10. You'll need to get autoconfirmed before you can use Twinkle. I'm pretty sure getting autoconfirmed works the same here as it does on enwiki, your account needs to exist for 4 days and have 10 edits. --Ferien (talk) 05:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Problem in Google Translate article

I saw spamming in Google Translate article. People added crow language, fox language, ewe language, etc. in the list of languages supported. Besides, they added many human languages which aren't actually supported in the Google Translate in the list of supported languages. For example, Garo language was found added. I need other editors to rectify these errors in the article. We can take information from en wiki article en:Google Translate. There, we may find better information. Haoreima (talk) 13:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

It seems the first eight languages (Abaza, Abellen, Abenaki, Abkhaz, Abure, Acehnese, Adyghe, and Afar) aren't even supported. The first one that appears for me is Afrikaans and the second is Albanian. SHB2000 (talk) 13:20, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Two significant spammings which I recently removed are these 1 and 2. Haoreima (talk) 13:24, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I have a feeling that almost a third of the languages mentioned there aren't actually supported by google given the high number of inaccuracies there. SHB2000 (talk) 13:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: You say you need other editors to fix the errors. Is there a reason you can't do it yourself? You could go to GT and copy/paste the list of languages. I'd do it myself, but I'm using a tablet right now and it would be tricky. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:22, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Auntof6 Tablet? Are you well, sister? Are you ill? And, tricky? What do you mean by saying "tricky"? Please clarify me, I don't understand, "tablet", "tricky", "copy/paste" from Google Translate! :):-) Haoreima (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I am fine. Another meaning of "tablet" is a tablet computer. A tablet computer is a device like an iPad -- smaller than a laptop and bigger than most mobile phones. By "tricky", I meant that the kind of editing I'd need to do would be difficult on a mobile device. "Copy/paste" means to copy text with the copy function on whatever device you're using, then use the paste function to add it somewhere else. A common way of copying that way is with the control-C function on a PC, and then you paste with control-V. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: What about copyright infringement if I did so? Haoreima (talk) 04:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I'm only suggesting you copy the list of language names, nothing else. I don't think there's anything copyrightable there. Of course, you'd have to format it. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that's copyrightable per c:COM:TOO. SHB2000 (talk) 06:22, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Select You the question statements for candidates of Drafting Committee Movement Charter

Into 2021-10-04 11:59:59 UTC you can select question statements for the candidates of Drafting Committee Movement Charter. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Ssgyysg gysgysygsgy gysyg gys ygs ygssyg

The page you wrote, Ssgyysg gysgysygsgy gysyg gys ygs ygssyg, has been selected for quick deletion. If you think this page should be kept, please add {{wait}} below the line {{QD}} and say why on the talk page. If the page is already gone, but you think this was an error, you can ask for it to be undeleted. You can find more information about the reason here. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:27, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Uhhhh.... Derpdart56 (talk) 15:28, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I know... vandal user talk redirects are annoying... 💠Ely - Talk💠 16:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Firefox - For Linux Mint / Firefox

Hi! Does anyone here use one of these firefox browsers to edit Wikipedia, I have an enquiry about something. Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 03:09, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle

There seems to be something wrong with twinkle. It's leaving QD notification on the talk page of someone completely independent from the page instead of the one who created it. I am not sure what's causing it, so leaving a note here to see if anyone else is facing that issue. And if there are any ways to fix it if this is a bug.-BRP ^ever 11:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

One issue for me since long is that occasionally no warnings is given to page creator. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:17, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

My guess without digging too deep is that they aren't using the Twinkle through preferences. They are calling something from their javascript. Which would be why its happening to them and as far as I know, no one else has seen it. -Djsasso (talk) 15:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

FWIW it happened so because that vandal was redirecting the talk page to some other page, and TW issues a warning on the redirect target page. JavaHurricane (talk) 11:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I didn't look too closely, that would do it. -Djsasso (talk) 12:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

It might be worth borrowing something from the enwiki version, since that stops the warning if the user talk page is a cross-namespace redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:WAM

Hello people, my usual annual thread. Who is interested in organizing this, been doing this for the last 2 years, it really don't need too much of time just making sure the article is meeting the usual standards (very similiar to the recent women edit-thorn in requirements I will say). IMO will be good for 2 or better 3 judges to be effective as if judges were to participate, it need to be marked by other judges and do remember there can be a person in competition with the judge for the title, so some sort of COI is hard to avoid if there's only 1. In other words, if there is only 1, the judge is better not to participate. I can try to guide any new judges if needed, but sorry I am quite busy recently IRL, and I simply don't have time yet to restore IRC access, so it will need to be on wiki, and I expect 2nd half of Nov to be busy. However, as usual I will try to do my best if needed as a judge.

For participants, is 4 articles related to Asia, new ones not expansion, 3500 chars, 200 words long, properly simplified and having references for all content and no maintenance templates can be slapped on them, then it's a pass. Welcome all to participate, as usual the judges won't make it hard. Prizes include postcards and barnstars (on simple at least).

If there are some participants and judges, I will then set up the page for this year. Best, Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

I can judge again this year --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 21:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @つがる for volunteering again, appreciate it. I had set up the pages for 2021, I will also tentative be the organizer. Do sign up at the sign up list on the page if you are interested, and some more organizers will be much welcomed :) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 08:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

If possible, I will try to participate this year :) -BRP ^ever 09:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

If I were eligible, I would, but I'm not and I'm not sure if I can join since I don't live in Asia (unless you consider the Pacific regions to also be part of Asia as well). SHB2000 (talk) 09:57, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@SHB2000 Hello, anyone can participate, the article needs to be somewhat Asia related but not the participants. Anyway, like Association Football, Timor is also participating in the ASEAN cup, just as how Australia is in Asia Qualifiers for World Cup, so those can be in scope too. Welcome your participation. :) Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:55, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Bump: Last call for organizers, I will soon update meta on the local team this year. @つがる Last chance to quit if you want :P. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

LOL. Nope I am not quitting! :) --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:20, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Let's talk about the Desktop Improvements

Hello!

Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?

Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements! It will take place on October 12th, 16:00 UTC on Zoom. It will last an hour. Click here to join.

Agenda

• Update on the recent developments
• Sticky header - presentation of the demo version
• Questions and answers, discussion

Format

The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. The presentation part (first two points in the agenda) will be given in English.

We can answer questions asked in English, French, Polish, and Spanish. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

Olga Vasileva (the team manager) will be hosting this meeting.

Invitation link

• Join online
• Meeting ID: 829 3670 1376
• Dial by your location

We hope to see you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) 15:09, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello! I'd like to remind that the meeting will happen today. You are welcome to join! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 15:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct Draft Enforcement Guidelines review still needs your ideas and opinions

Hello everyone,

This is just a reminder that the Universal Code of Conduct Draft Enforcement Guidelines are open for review and comment. The Drafting Committee will start working on revisions and improvement in less than two weeks (October 17), so it is important that you give them your ideas and opinions soon!

There is now a short, simple version of the Draft Guidelines here to make your review easier. If possible, also help translate the short version into more languages!

We will also hold one last conversation hour on October 15, 2021 03:00 and 14:00 UTC.

On behalf of the Drafting Committee, much thanks to everyone who has given ideas so far. We hope to hear from more of you - the Guidelines will be much stronger if more opinions are included.

Best, Zuz (WMF) (talk) 11:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle QD

Does anyone know if Twinkle could be configured to be able to directly issue warnings (including the page name) for bad page creations, instead of just leaving a QD notice? That seems to me like it would be more useful, especially for repeat violations. J991 16:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

In those situations I don't leave the QD notice and just leave the warning notice, although being an admin I rarely leave a notice anyway since I am the one deleting the article as I see them. -Djsasso (talk) 11:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi guys

Hi gang! I know it's been a long while since I've said hi, but I keep you all in my thoughts and read from time to time I'm doing well, I've started another doctorate this year in clinical psychology (ClinPsyD) after doing a psychology degree (BSc(Hons) Psychology & Counselling, at the Open University in England. I've retired from medicine and wanted to do something else with my life, so look forward to me editing psychology based articles (and, of course, medical articles). I hope you are all doing well and that everyone got through Covid-19 okay. Big hugs to the old gang and hand shakes to those of you new to me. Yours, fr33kman 22:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

So very glad to see your name pop up in my watchlist today! Glad you're well, and welcome back around. --Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 00:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Fr33kman You don't probably know me, since I joined a few years ago but, HEYYYYY, I am so glad to hear from you! --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

hi guys i am new to this wiki good to be here i am really looking forward to getting to know everyone! Cocopuff2018 (talk) 00:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Nice to meet you! AnApple47 ^💬 00:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

+1 Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back! It's always good to see people return. Simple's barely changed. :) -BRP ^ever 04:53, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

A new editor that sees your past marks everywhere. 💠Ely - Talk💠 08:56, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T292837

Hello 👋 Everyone, Twinke is not working for me, i wonder if it is the same for everyone, whenever i use twinkle like for anything i'll get an error message shows what should i do about it. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 03:15, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Yep it is not working for me either. I can just do everything manually though. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 03:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Same here. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Should we report that Bug on Phabricator? 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 04:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle is a user script, so I think the solution is to find the maintainer for that, it's not a system tool per say, so phab won't be suitable unless is a config change that changed the thing, but mostly it should be the script for TW to deconflict not the system to accomodate unless all scripts are broken. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Please someone help to recover the tool; otherwise we lost a great helpful Tool that helped us in a super speedy way to prevent vandalism and improve the encyclopedia. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

We faced the same problem in bnwiki. —Yahya (talk • contribs.) 18:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Sakura emad this phab task about Internet Archive bot tagging issue, How it is connected with this problem? --MdsShakil (talk) 19:15, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@MdsShakil: Corrected. —Yahya (talk • contribs.) 19:36, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@MdsShakil i do apologize i was confused 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 02:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Yahya thank you alot. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Yahya, you might want to take a look to the recent changes in simplewiki's Twinkle and try to apply them to your installation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm happy to report AntiCompositeNumber and 1234qwer1234qwer4 have put in sufficient work to see Twinkle now currently operational. Thank you for the patience. Operator873 ^connect 04:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @AntiCompositeNumber indeed. My suggestions were pretty much just following the instructions at mw:MediaWiki 1.37/Deprecation of legacy API token parameters. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Automated systems

• What is RedWarn? An automated system of some kind? Why do we allow new users to use automated devices? Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:12, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  Is it like Wikipedia:Huggle? Or even SWViewer. These are 2 tools that are sort of semi automated and can run here IRRC. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  See w:en:Wikipedia:RedWarn. 512 MB (talk) 14:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  Macdonald-ross, RedWarn is basically Twinkle, but it's more user friendly. It's used quite a lot on the English Wikipedia. It's just as automated as Twinkle is. --Ferien (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

• 

  There was an error in RedWarn icons in simple-wiki - I showed words instead of icons. The font I am using is ff-kievit-web-pro. How can I fix the icons? 512 MB (talk) 16:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  is there a version of redwarn we can use on simple? I'm looking for something new since twinkle isn't working at the moment. AnApple47 ^💬 18:43, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  Some users have copied the RedWarn script from the English Wikipedia and made a few changes, like User:JJPMaster/RedWarn.js, but there is no official RedWarn script here. --Ferien (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Macdonald-ross @Ferien @Camouflaged Mirage Please can someone fix Twinkle it was really great help for us. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

  @Sakura emad See the thread below, seems like some mediawiki issues. There is a page to be fixed but needs an IA. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  well done thank you. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Adding deletion tag to article: Failed to retrieve edit token.

Hello! Any idea why am I getting a Adding deletion tag to article: Failed to retrieve edit token. when trying to nominate an article for RfD? The article I am trying nominate is Peter Jean-Marie. --Ramaswar57 (talk) 08:19, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I think this is because of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.37/Deprecation_of_legacy_API_token_parameters I think MediaWiki:Gadget-morebits.js needs correction.—Yahya (talk • contribs.) 10:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

So, it seems the issue is caused by a config change which needs to have a fix in the js, so this requires an IA attention. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:24, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

can anyone fix the problem? 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Still not fixed! :( --Ramaswar57 (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Unblock request of Purplebackpack89..

Hello all,

Purplebackpack89 has recently requested for his block to be revieved. He was community-banned (after a discussion) in 2011. I think the community changed a lot since then, and it would be time for this decision to be re-assessed; after 10 years. Personally, I don't think that unblocking poses much of a problem, almost all people change in a decade. What do other people think? - Again: this is not a vote, it is a discussion; a support or oppose without argument is not really helpful. So, what do other people think?--Eptalon (talk) 16:54, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

• My initial thought here is no. The tone of the unblock request reads as openly confrontational, and looking back on the previous discussions it really is the same tone and behaviour that was part of what got him blocked to begin with. Doing some looking around, I found more recent discussions at en:User_talk:Purplebackpack89/Archive_17#ArbCom enforcement, and en:User_talk:Purplebackpack89/Archive_17#TRM running for ArbCom...really? where the user is still actively talking about how he dislikes the editors involved in this original ban discussion. All said, I just don't think the Wikipedia needs the drama that seems to follow this user around, and I am fine with the ban staying.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 20:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• Comment The user need more patient to be unlocked Just do good (talk) 20:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
• No. As much as I'd love to say that it's been a while and is worth another chance (even with their 11 blocks on record, all of them were 10+ years ago and relatively compressed), the evidence why this is still necessary would be the edits on other projects that led to the block in the first place. And the unblock request, which has both en:WP:NOTTHEM and how EVERY few words is in CAPS. If anyone has missed it, it reads: It is INSANE that this block has continued for A DECADE, during a time which I have made thousands of edits on other Wikipedia projects. Can somebody explain why something that happened a DECADE ago should disqualify me from getting an addditional chance on this project NOW? Indeffing in the first place was excessive and it should never have lasted a DECADE. I'd like someone to explain why I don't get a second chance, even though editors with more serious issues, such as sock- and meatpuppetry, have been reinstated. If anything, it shouldn't be my job to prove reinstatement, after this long, it should be others' job to provide evidence why this is still necessary, which, to be honest, they never did in the first place. I feel PERSECUTED. In many cases, the evidence demanded is evidence that can only be obtained by letting me be unblocked for awhile. Naleksuh (talk) 06:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• No. The tone of everything he has said after the block is an illustration of why we blocked him, plus the complete absence of any admission and promise to reform. It only just stops short of actually promising to carry on as before. I'm fine with the block staying. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:23, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• For now, a Yes per Eptalon, pending reading about this specific person's case. People's editing styles change naturally over time. Frankly, I don't think any Wikiproject should have indefinite blocks. They should all have time limits, even if they're ten years. Per Macdonald-ross' concerns, if Purple does whatever it was again, block them again. Does anyone remember off the top of their heads? What is this person supposed to have reformed from? Darkfrog24 (talk) 11:52, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

The crucial point which you're not addressing is his lack of acceptance of his past behaviour, and his lack of promise not to behave that way again. No-one is released on licence who does not accept his misdemeanour and promise to reform. Whether a block is indefinite rests more on the individual than anything else. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I disagree. The individual is not the one who decides to impose or lift a block. An admin or the community makes that decision, and it may in fact have very little to do with what the blocked person did or didn't do on-Wiki. I've seen people get blocked and punished for things that just plain didn't happen. A friend of mine got blocked from en.wiki for "lying" about Mars when he was quoting NASA and providing links to the sources he'd used.

But we're talking about Purple, and not my not-lying space fan friend. The problem you point out is very easily solved. Someone has to go to P's talk page and say "Hey Purple, you got blocked for [this specific thing that you did]. Do you promise not to do [specific thing] again?" This is more important than people realize. For one of many things, I've learned that Wikipedia admins are the opposite of a conspiracy: They don't always agree with each other, and they don't always know that they don't agree with each other. What if some admins think Purple is blocked for WP:THIS and others think Purple is blocked for WP:THAT? Then even if Purple apologizes for WP:THIS, the second group of admins will feel the way you feel: That Purple hasn't understood or hasn't owned up.

So what was it that Purple did? I wasn't here on Simple in 2011. Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I read the conversations at the links that Chenzw was so good as to provide. I see a lot of "this person doesn't understand why they were banned." Again, the solution is simple: Someone with the authority to do so should just tell them. I feel like I might be projecting unfair treatment I've seen elsewhere onto Purple's case, so I'm going to take a break and come back clearheaded. EDIT: To be fair, some people did specifically cite "canvassing," "incivility," and "didn't change X when someone told them to," though that last one might not be misconduct, depending. Is that accurate? Is that what Purple is banned for doing? Could we, if we chose, go to Purple and say, "You were banned for incivility, for improper canvassing, for not stopping [specific], and not anything else"? Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:38, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support As I did in 2019. Ten years is a long time when there is clear evidence of an intent to change and improve. What is Wikipedia if not a group of people that chooses to Assume Good Faith. The trusted status on other wikis is sufficient for me to believe this person can be constructive and a good contributor to this project. I'm more than happy to believe this person's intent is to be a good community member, but I am also not blindly trusting. I think the community ban should be removed with a one and done warning for a term of 1 year from the date of decision. In this period, any significant behavior or disruption issues would see the ban reinstated. However, if they rejoin the community, the editor would be considered in good standing on this project and enjoy the same treatment as any other editor on the project. Operator873 ^connect 20:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

  I like this idea very much. PP89 wants a chance to prove themselves, but others here are concerned of a repeat performance. PP89 can hardly complain of getting the exact chance they've asked for. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

  I think I'd be on board with this if the "clear evidence of an intent to change" part was more clear to me. From everything I'm reading, the user still thinks they were correct and the ban was wrong. I'm not sure what has changed. --Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 20:39, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• Support unblocking with the conditions mentioned in the comment above. To me, blocks have always been to prevent abuse and not to punish users. The block has lasted for a long time, and given their editing history in other wikis, I think the editor won't cause any further disruption.-BRP ^ever 21:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not convinced at this point, and that's too bad his actions ten years ago brought this block. I'm not convinced by the tone as well, and the mindset that Wikipedia is the only WMF project. SHB2000 (talk) 23:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

• No based on PBP's own statements in the request. "Indeffing in the first place was excessive," shows they still do not accept why they were banned. "I'd like someone to explain why I don't get a second chance," ignores the long block history that led up to the indef; PBP had many, many chances. "even though editors with more serious issues, such as sock- and meatpuppetry, have been reinstated" is just plain whataboutism. "it should be others' job to provide evidence why this is still necessary, which, to be honest, they never did in the first place." again shows they have never accepted the reasons for the ban. Gotanda (talk) 22:01, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

• • I do/don't agree. They/(S)he has not even addressed the reason to WHY they where blocked, and I still don't understand the last line which makes absolutely no sense: "In many cases, the evidence demanded is evidence that can only be obtained by letting me be unblocked for awhile." What sort of evidence? It could and CAN be obtained without editing. People can see the contribs freely. 11 bans is... more than enough to consider an editor unworthy. This line: "even though editors with more serious issues, such as sock- and meatpuppetry, have been reinstated." is almost an attack on a group of editors, and both sock & meat puppetry are forgiven if the socks (if the same user) are blocked and the sock master account is used for legitimate purposes, like a regular wiki account. Also, socking is allowed for legit purposes like doppelgängers.

• Now obviously 10 years seems too much for a block (I would go mad for even a fortnight) and I think PP98 could be forgiven and we can assume good faith. It is possible PP98 was an en-wiki member (only member) and just... disrespected the simple community. In that case, the conditions for unblocking will change. Different wikiproject members have different opinions. Here, look at Hockeycatcat but on en-wiki... oof.

I think the block can be forgiven if PP98 edits like a regular user for constructive purposes. 💠Ely - Talk💠 09:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Context

At this point I think it is important for all participants to familiarize themselves with previous ban reviews:

• The original ban discussion
• First ban review (May 2012)
• Ban review (August 2012)
• Ban review (January 2014)
• Ban review (March 2015)
• Ban review (October 2019)

I will be adding my thoughts to the above original section shortly. Chenzw  Talk  14:12, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Chenzw. EDIT: But I'm not seeing a discussion with links and proof. Did it happen before the first ban discussion? Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the first link is the discussion that led directly to the community ban. Prior to the community(-sanctioned) ban, the editor was already blocked multiple times. Nevertheless, I will do another search in the archives and get back to you once I find anything new. Chenzw  Talk  16:38, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia page here

If you look at it, above the Wikipedia logo there are two rude words. How do you remove it? Link: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

Fixed.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 21:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you.--SimpleWikiExpert (talk) 21:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Help for leaving warning messages while Twinkle isn't working

You can manually leave warning messages. Here's how to find the appropriate template to use.

• Click on the Twinkle warning link to bring up the window.
• Select the relevant warning level and issue.
• To the left of the text describing the issue, Twinkle shows you the template to use. Make a note of it, then exit the Twinkle dialog.
• On the user talk page, go to the section for the current month, or create the section if it doesn't exist.
• Look at the template to see what parameters are required or available.
• Add the template, being sure to substitute it, like this:

{{subst:uw-vandalism2}}

If you're using parameters, it might look like this:

{{subst:uw-vandalism2|page name}}

Hope this helps. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:42, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User_talk_page_warnings will be an useful page for all the warnings / headings. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

It can be useful, but the method I described tells you the template to use so you don't have to search for it. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Category question

Should we adopt the same practice that enwiki does en:WP:TEMPLATECAT in which they dont use templates for adding pages to content categories? Nunabas (talk) 15:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

I would be in favor of that for content categories, not only for the reasons given on the enwiki page, but also to stay in sync with enwiki since we copy templates from there. However, I don't think we should remove the cats from templates here if the corresponding enwiki template still has them--again because we copy (and occasionally update) templates from there.

So maybe the way we should implement this is to copy/update templates from enwiki that have had the categories removed. (In fact, that implementation might happen inadvertently.) And when we do that, we need to hardcode categories that are no longer added by the template(s). --Auntof6 (talk) 18:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

If someone wants to make it official and update the policy I can start migrating categories out of templates. Nunabas (talk) 13:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I understand wanting to get this done, but something like this usually need a discussion with input from a good number of editors. Discussions usually go for at least a week, whereas you just raised this question yesterday. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Allow the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia to unblock me as I have been blocked for weeks until I cannot begin to create many new pages on different things such as the hadith, and all about the world..

Hello. Could you please help me to be unblocked from the Ukrainian language Wikipedia, as I have been not editing in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia for weeks, and I would like to begin editing in it through the hadith qudsi and also the Polish author Nela the Little Reporter. Could you please allow the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia to unblock me? Thank you.

Each wiki makes its own decisions. We cannot make decisions for another wiki. Sorry. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I have been not editing pages in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia for a long time and the request to unblock me in it

Hello. I have been not editing any pages in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia for a long time, which is more than a month, so could you please allow the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia to unblock me, as I gonna start editing new pages in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia with hadith qudsi and Nela the Little Reporter? I sincerely week to you this thing.

Thank you.

Sorry, 548asiaslavia. We here at Simple have no say in what the Ukranian Wikipedia decides to do. You should look at its own unblock policies. ...but if you scroll up you'll see a Simple user, Purplebackpack89, asking to be unblocked/unbanned here. Look at what people do and don't like about what Purple wrote. Maybe others on the Ukrainian Wikipedia would react the same way. Good luck! Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: Socking user from this years archives. 💠Ely - Talk💠 09:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

The above user + IP (Previous section) is evading a lock. The master is User:Adam Asrul. This is a known LTA from zhwp etc, suggest we DENY. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Citrivescence's disruptive editing

You really need to block Citrivescence as they had sent admins to block similer IPs like this one,2600:6C40:5400:1D2B:849:F134:9A1F:9A1A on different wikis in which the IPs were learning to change Wiki sites. This message that Citrive left: [[1]] seems like he is tired of the messages an warnings. They want the harassment to go away. Can you look at Citrivescence's changes on the different wikis. --204.184.47.157 (talk) 15:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Asking what one is and is not allowed to do about harassment is not Wiki misconduct. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

This IP is a troll of Citrivescence. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Help!

What on earth is a token parameter? I'm having trouble reverting text. Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, Twinkle isn't working for me either. I also get the same "token" error. But RW works good for me and seems to be more fast than TW. --Hulged (talk) 08:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Same issue! Redwarn saved me. 💠Ely - Talk💠 09:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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I don't like to be blocked in the Chinese-language Wikipedia, as the Chinese-language Wikipedia is totally different from other-language Wikipedia

Hello. As I see that the Chinese-language Wikipedia is totally different, I would like to ask you for this thing: Could you please encourage the Chinese-language Wikipedia to unblock my account, or could you bring me to the question part in the Chinese-language Wikipedia? I indeed don't like to be blocked in the Chinese-language Wikipedia for too long as I understand it is totally different from other-language Wikipedia which I used to experience it. I will be to much worried if I'm being blocked in the Chinese-language Wikipedia while I already experienced that the Chinese-language Wikipedia is totally different from all experiences that I feel in other-language Wikipedia.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 548asiaslavia (talk • contribs) 18:35, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

• Each wiki decides for itself how to administer the blocking procedure. We have no influence there, and they have no influence here. I notice you did not sign your post, so a good start to your quest would be that you learn how WP works. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

This is an LTA evading their global lock. SHB2000 (talk) 10:37, 15 October 2021 (UTC)