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Another proposal

I was in the midst of typing it up when the one above got posted. I am proposing an automatic salt on RfD articles that get deleted. I also made a comment that certain QDs (mainly A4) and get salted. Full proposal can be read and commented on at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_deletion#Proposal_to_auto-salt_RfDs. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have closed the discussion as I have withdrawn it. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 09:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inline citations

Hi!

I am a new editor from the English Wikipedia. And the very first thing that I noticed when I started reading articles was that there aren’t a lot of inline citations, compared to other editions of Wikipedia that I have read before.

Can someone please explain to me why this is and give me more information about the situation to improve my awareness?

Thank you, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 12:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a quality difference. Inline citations are still just as required, but this wiki is smaller and thus, some articles have work to be done. The good news is there is plenty to do here! Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have come from En Wikipedia, you can help us add more inline citations in Simple Wiki. I assure you that the competent editors need to do especially long and hard work, but that fills up your time when you're free to use your mobile device. Colonelsnow (talk) 22:29, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kung Fu Panda redirects

Kind of a random question but I noticed that the redirects for Kung Fu Panda go to the first movie (Kung Fu Panda (movie)). Should I leave it like that or move the 7 redirects to go to the franchise page (Kung Fu Panda (franchise)) and use a hatnote redirect instead? Thanks. - MourningRainfall 🐺🇨🇦 (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mrdamianbro and Mexico stubs

We have had a lot of questionable Mexican history stubs lately. Many have been complex copy-pastes from EnWP and have been QD'ed. The last couple of stubs are somewhat simplified but now have hand drawn images by https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mrdamianbro who claims to be a family member.

See "Francisco García Salinas (b. 1786; d.1841), Mexican cabinet minister and governor of the state of Zacatecas. García was born on a hacienda in the state of Zacatecas. He is actually related to one of the user of Wikipedia simple English"

And from Wikimedia File:Francisco García Salinas.jpg "Description English: A sketch of my great great great grandfather Francisco García Salinas."

These are the two so far: Francisco García Salinas and Fernando Rivera y Moncada. Not sure whether we just manage this here, or take it to Wikimedia Commons.

Thanks! --Gotanda (talk) 00:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New here—please check my first article!

Hi! I'm new here, but I edit a lot over at the main English Wikipedia.

I just created an article on this wiki based off an article from enwiki, please see User:BhamBoi/Split View Mountain Lodge.

Is it okay to be created here? Thanks! BhamBoi (talk) 01:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BhamBoi: Hi, and welcome!

That article looks like it meets the requirements for simple language. However, it doesn't say anything about why the subject is notable. I looked at the English Wikipedia article; I think if you add the part about winning an award, and include the references for that, then it would show notability.

Since you are new here, you might be interested in this list I maintain of things that are different on this wiki. The list is not a policy or guideline, but it links to some relevant policies and guidelines. If you have questions about anything on the list, feel free to ask.

Again, welcome, and thanks for contributing here! -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calling all editors

We have 135 merge proposals pending. I am sure some of these are old. I figure if we all tackle these, we can clear out a large chunk of it. You can find the pages here! Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 09:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did a couple of these. Is there any technical reason not to redirect {{Automatic archive navigator}}? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski I think it would be ok. It has 51 links to it and 20 something transclusions so they would need to be updated as well. I noticed it also has a redirect attached so that would need to be fixed too. If it breaks anything (which I don’t think it will) it can be undone. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion message icon

Would it be okay to change the icon on {{QD-notice}} and {{QD-notice-multiple}} from the .png image (File:Ambox deletion.png) to the .svg image (File:Ambox warning pn.svg)? They look pretty much the same except one is a bitmap and one is a vector image. Kk.urban (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason why it wouldn't.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to change wording

Hello fellow editors. I have started a seven day proposal to change the wording on the templates about adding unsourced libel or defamation against person. Please join the discussion here. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2024 Selection

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Dear all,

This year, the term of 4 (four) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Board Governance Committee created a Board Selection Working Group from Trustees who cannot be candidates in the 2024 community- and affiliate-selected trustee selection process composed of Dariusz Jemielniak, Nataliia Tymkiv, Esra'a Al Shafei, Kathy Collins, and Shani Evenstein Sigalov [3]. The group is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2024 trustee selection process, and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

May 2024: Call for candidates and call for questions
June 2024: Affiliates vote to shortlist 12 candidates (no shortlisting if 15 or less candidates apply) [5]
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Learn more about the 2024 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page, and make your plan.

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[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] Even though the ideal number is 12 candidates for 4 open seats, the shortlisting process will be triggered if there are more than 15 candidates because the 1-3 candidates that are removed might feel ostracized and it would be a lot of work for affiliates to carry out the shortlisting process to only eliminate 1-3 candidates from the candidate list.

MPossoupe_(WMF)19:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about notability on Simple Wiki

Is Simple Wiki as strict as Wikipedia in terms of notability? I'm just curious. It's my first time here. Thank you. Aona1212 (talk) 20:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aona1212 Hi and welcome to Simple. Yes, the notability is across the board due to the potential of any law suit. So the same standards have to be met. All we did was simplify the language at WP:Notability. If you have any questions, please feel free to post them here and someone will respond back, or you can ask them directly on my talk page. Again, welcome! Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jihadi John

Would anyone mind if i remove the image?--Trade (talk) 00:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trade What image and why? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Low quality Trade (talk) 00:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trade Oh you mean the drawing by a child that looks nothing like him? lol. I actually just copied over the info box. If you have or know of a better image to put in the info box have at it. You are also more than welcome to remove and edit articles. You don’t need anyone’s permission. That is why we are a community. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for new stub

Hello fellow editors - Please visit The Simple Stub Project Talk for a proposal to add a new stub titled Musical Artists Stub. Please do not post comments here. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all! As a reminder this discussion is still ongoing. Please join in with your thoughts at the link above. Do not comment here please. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question regarding Wikipedia talk:Global rights policy

Hi, I've raised some questions regarding the simplewiki global rights policy at Wikipedia talk:Global rights policy. Considering that the policy page has just four users watching it, it's not very likely to expect anyone answering there. Is there another suitable page where I can raise my questions? Johannnes89 (talk) 12:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Tana River (Europe)". Please change to that title

"False name: Tana River (Norway). The name of the article should ... be Tana River (Europe) ... 21:48, 29 June 2021".--The river is a border between Finland and Norway, for a majority of the length of the river.--It is the Finnish-Norwegian border for 100-plus miles, and then it runs thru Norway for the last ten-plus miles. Thanks. 2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07 (talk) 19:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done The name matches what is on en wiki and accurately reflects the name given to it. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teno (Finland). The border between Finland and Norway is at the deepest part of the river (as measured every 25 years).--To be accurate. 2001:2020:325:D5C9:3C49:59BE:1D7E:C397 (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07[reply]

It is generalized as Tana (river). I am not sure where you are getting the names from. Since it runs through more than one country we do not want to show preference to one or the other. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teno is the fourth word in the article about the Finnish-Norwegian river.--That should answer your "where" question.--The title "Tana (Norway) - how does that not "show preference to one or the other" country? 2001:2020:325:D5C9:3590:269:2CFB:7A52 (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07[reply]

Please stop IP hopping. I am not changing it to show preference to one country or the other. If someone else wants to that is fine. However, it is set as generalized to Tana (river) because that is what it is. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb They are not IP hopping, IPv6 users have no control over their IP changing, which happens often. Kk.urban (talk) 02:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tana River (Europe). That is the title that would not show preference to one country or the other.--Europe is not a country, but Finland and Norway are.--No one has suggested a name that does not have "river" in the title.--In regard to electronics resetting itself (and changing IP) - larger wikipedias and WMF have looked into that, without any draconian conclusion.--About a title change - the arguments can speak for themselves. 2001:2020:325:D5C9:D46F:C43:32A9:E122 (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07[reply]

My perspective on this is that Europe is too broad a term and too uninformative. We do tend to follow En wiki on controversial topics. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve looked at all of the incoming links on en. Everything mentioned here goes to the same article as we have it listed (and en wiki). Redirects are cheap and we can make redirects without an issue imo. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Global ban proposal for Slowking4

Hello. This is to notify the community that there is an ongoing global ban proposal for User:Slowking4 who has been active on this wiki. You are invited to participate at m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 (2). Thank you. Seawolf35 (talk) 19:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-wiki spam, or something similar?

Category:Paintings by Antonio Rotta, simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Paintings_by_Antonio_Rotta.--These paintings are so famous that they (largely) do not have En-wiki article? How odd!--Userify, for some of the paintings or all the paintings?--Someone might want to create a substub (so that I or anyone else can redirect those articles which seem clearly non-notable).--Good luck making a general decision (while i meanwhile work on other articles.) 2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60 (talk) 18:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP User, we have certain stubs we use here. It can go under the general stub or under a country stub (based on where it was painted or where the artist is from). Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I estimate these as w:Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Alec Smithson, whose main targets include Antonio Rotta. MathXplore (talk) 03:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MathXplore Wanna do a GARV? You have more information? If on IRC, you can DM me. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I may do that afterwards, but I have to check global contributions carefully for confidence. Please feel free to go ahead if you have found something else. MathXplore (talk) 04:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BEAN If you want to email or IRC me, I am online. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 04:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone might want to create a substub about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable). 2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60 (talk) 18:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

HI. We do not create stubs for this type of issue. If you believe they are non-notable, you are more than welcome to open an RfD for them. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb I am sure they mean a stub (short article), not a stub template. Kk.urban (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban I already mentioned the stub and the fact we won't create a new stub for that purpose. :) See my first comment please. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb I don't understand? Why not create a short article about Antonio Rotta? Kk.urban (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban They are not asking for a short article. Anyone can create that. They are asking for a stub Someone might want to create a substub (so that I or anyone else can redirect those articles which seem clearly non-notable). Then they doubled it Someone might want to create a substub about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable). Something seems really off about this request to me, but that is just me. We had this issue the other day and the IP got glocked. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb Per WP:Stub: "On Wikipedia, a stub is a short article." Kk.urban (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban I am very well aware of what a stub is. They are asking to create a new stub, which is not going to happen. For a new stub to happen, it needs over 1,000 articles and someone to actively be working on them WP:Simple Stub Project. If they want to stub the article, they can. There is the general stub, and they can stub it with the country the painter is from if they want. I am not sure what you are trying to tell me, to be honest. We seem to be going in circles about this, and I am lost as to why you are quoting what a stub is. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"They are asking to create a new stub" - yes, and a stub is a short article. A new short article about Antonio Rotta. Kk.urban (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban Then, as I also stated, they are more than welcome to create the article. As far as creating a "stub" like "This is a short article..." I can say that will be a no. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone might want to create a substub (or super-small article) about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable).--Good luck making a general decision (while i meanwhile work on other articles.)--If one does not have Good Faith in others, then why should others have good faith in that one.--Please also explain which discussion where someone has glocked (or possibly lugered) someone's arguments. (I, for one, would like to scrutinize the dynamics (etc.) of that discussion.) 2001:2020:309:DEC0:5CD9:A94C:3C1C:145D (talk) 19:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

IP I already addressed your request. As far as why for locking, I cannot comment on that per WP:BEAN. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@user:PDL - I am somewhat curious regarding what/where was locked (or glocked, as you wrote earlier).--Hypothesis: the stuff about locked (or glocked), is not important for reaching a conclusion (or understanding) about who might do what, about the mentioned painting-articles (or articles-about the mentioned painter). 2001:2020:333:F9E3:E8B3:ED55:2269:1209 (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

IP they are two different things. You asked both questions. I answered both questions. Again, if you want to create an article you are more than welcome to. Wikipedia is open for anyone to read and edit (circumstances willing). Again to the other part. I’m not indulging on that anymore. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

About Antonio Rotta - anyone can create a small article (and I think i know of two wikipedia-users, who will not start the article.)--Got it! 2001:2020:333:F9E3:1D5F:E543:131F:DCC4 (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

@Kk.urban - nothing was lost in translation (etc.), when you read/interpreted (what later became, "Someone might want to create a substub (or super-small article) about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable)").--I will be busy fixing other articles (while a consensus and/or other constructive ideas, happen). Thanks. 2001:2020:333:F9E3:D18C:B363:1966:B69D (talk) 02:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

This may turn into an RfC…

So lately I have been seeing a lot of articles come over to simple stating that so and so “is the best batter” “the best soccer player” “the best football(er)”. Sometimes these are POVs. Sometimes they are published but in local papers (say India, Afghanistan, even here in the US). At what point do we not allow a POV to come in? Most of the ones I’ve seen are coming from other language wiki, but one off the top of my head is Tom Brady. All of these are POV in my opinion, but I wanted to get a temperature from the other editors on their thoughts. WP:NPOV states only insert facts and gives a great example. Not everyone agrees on it but it can be put on the article but needs to be worded in such a way as to not give it undue weight. I’m open to thoughts and suggestions. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You fixed the article about Tom Brady.--At your convenience, please show us some articles that might be in a "grey area" (or that has wording, that is "too much" for an encyclopedia). Thanks. 2001:2020:333:F9E3:1D5F:E543:131F:DCC4 (talk) 03:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the statement you removed from the Brady article didn't belong because it read like the opinion of the person writing the article. If it were something like "Sports Illustrated called Brady the greatest <whatever>," and there were a reference, that would be okay. -- Auntof6 (talk) 09:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The obvious question is Who says? Its not just an issue in sport. Rathfelder (talk) 10:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 & @Rathfelder I agree with both of you. Auntof6, does this need to be an RfC to go on the WP:NPOV policy? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 14:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb: I think it's covered by the guideline at Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words#Improving weasel-worded statements, in the part about peacock terms. The corresponding issue on enwiki is also covered by a guideline rather than policy. Guidelines can be enough to justify fixing things like this. If you really want it in policy, then yes, I think it takes a discussion to change policy. I don't know if NPOV is the right place, though. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally if we talk about someone being "the best" or similar we should state it in terms of what RS say about them. Most likely in terms of a quotation. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Proposal

Started at: Talk:Disney_Channel#Merge_proposal JoBo GamerYT (talk) 15:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not simple, maybe

Xenia (disambig) was today moved to Xenia (disambiguation). Should someone revert that kind of stuff (for being the opposite of simplifying).--The new user also made the first sentence in Xenia (article), long-winded (and not simple). Thoughts? 2001:2020:313:EBE1:68C5:BC50:CC2F:2FB (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation in of itself isn't frowned upon here. The Simple Wikipedia is for simplifying words and sentences, not for simplifying the structure of Wikipedia. I don't think we need to move it to disambiguation if we don't have a master article at Xenia. I wonder if we should have a more simple word than "disambiguation" for these articles. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

" I don't think we need to move it to disambiguation" if there is no master-article, was said today.--So, please someone, revert the controversial thing that was done. For starters. Thanks. 2001:2020:313:EBE1:FD03:DA0D:1462:F44 (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:313:EBE1:68C5:BC50:CC2F:2FB[reply]

I have reverted the move. When there is no primary topic, the qualified title should point to the unqualified one. That is so that there can be deliberate links to the dab page if desired without it looking like a link to the actual dab page. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, it seems. 2001:2020:313:EBE1:FD03:DA0D:1462:F44 (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox url

Hi, Over at Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) its currently showing an incorrect url - Does anyone know how one updates it as its not in the internal infobox stuff itself (or if it is i've completely missed it), Many thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 20:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's from Wikidata. What's the actual URL now? [1] Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Lee Vilenski, Ah okay thank you that explains why I couldn't find it, They don't have an official landing page - its just episodes however the episodes aren't going to be on their website forever and as EN doesn't have the URL at all so i didn't know if we should just follow suit and just remove it too?, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 20:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a feature built into the Infobox (on en wiki, it probably isn't so). Might be worth changing it on WikiData to an archived URL if one doesn't exist anymore. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski Now you've mentioned it I do remember there being a whole WikiData thing so many thanks for the reminder and for your help, I'll follow EN (Add external link to prev TV show and remove it from the Infobox), Many thanks again for your help it's greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 21:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, anytime. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumping ground: Furniture-thingy (designer furniture?)

One furniture-thingy (lighting); I have done a redirect to a creator (that I assume is notable).--No worries (?), I expect to clean-up other examples, c. 10 days from now.--It took me one minute , to notice two examples.--Please excuse, if "a flood of two" does not lead to an alarming count of dubious stuff. 2001:2020:341:B85E:A47F:81F7:72E8:2EA0 (talk) 17:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Knoxville, Tennessee

Hi, could someone please try to fix the layout of Knoxville, Tennessee? At the moment, in "desktop" view, the references are overlapping with the infobox, and I don't know how to fix this. Kk.urban (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fixed SI (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 16:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plato

Hi all.

I'm new to editing this Wikipedia, and I was wondering if someone could read the two pages I've edited recently--the one on Plato and the other on Pythagoras--and see if they are acceptable? Feedback is much appreciated. Thanks,

Mop565 (talk) 23:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)Mop565[reply]

@Mop565 I will be happy to take a look and I will post on your talk page. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 23:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumping ground: Paintings

Non-notable painting, but notable artist.--Please find ~~12 thousand votes~~, uh, whatever is needed to redirect this painting, to the article about the painter.--Is wikipedia now out of the woods, in regard to being spammed in regard to many articles about non-notable paintings (or have i missed spamming campaigns)? --Please also show some mercy to those that are manning the pumps, at Article-for-Delete.--I will be busy fixing other articles. 2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E (talk) 22:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another Non-notable painting, but same notable artist as above. 2001:2020:349:9B65:55CF:4AFD:182E:9216 (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can do one of two things, get the requests for deletion process underway, or be bold and redirect these pages back to artist in question. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, user:Lee Vilenski. Now, i have cut off two of the heads of (what looks like a "Painting-market and Real-estate-market Hydra". 2001:2020:345:9B4D:1550:5AE4:205D:9C5F (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a quick reminder, not all paintings are non-notable, where they wouldn't be suitable for redirects. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another Non-notable painting, but same notable artist as above. 2001:2020:4331:DBF2:3893:92CA:47E3:E16B (talk) 19:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"My" redirect, was reverted. (See Fall by lake with sculpture (Garau): Revision history.)--Anyone who nominates this to AfD, has my support.--One pattern with many (all?) of these articles are, is that there is no interwiki to English, German.--Meanwhile, i will fix some non-painting articles. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:422:85F:34CE:2AEE (talk) 21:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted your redirect as it is not needed. The painting is by a notable editor; therefore, it can have its own article and is in the categories as required. To redirect every possible piece of art because an editor deems it non-notable for whatever reason is basically erasing its history. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link, simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fall_by_lake_with_sculpture_(Garau)&action=history. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:422:85F:34CE:2AEE (talk) 21:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E[reply]

IP editor, on what grounds are you using that paintings are not notable and should be redirected to the artist instead (or even to RfD)? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On what grounds does user:PDL think that the wiki-article states notability, and demonstrates notability?
The painting exists, and so what.

If user:PDL thinks that the painting is notable, then s/he should consider asking anyone (except me), to insert the Simple-English article at English-wiki.--If my post contradicts the intentions of the project that Jimbo Wales' started, then let me know.

(However, Jimbo Wales did not start the "Yellow Pages for any painting that has been mentioned, on one page, in a book or two, by non-notable authors".)--Please also show some mercy to those that are manning the pumps, at Article-for-Delete. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:6545:D815:ECAB:E065 (talk) 02:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E[reply]

Ok, you seem to have a misunderstanding of what notability means. It doesn't mean that the article shows notability (although including all sourcing helps). We just require that there is enough third-party reliable sources that talk in depth about the subject. Whilst I'm not sure that all paintings meet the criteria, redirecting paintings as a whole as non-notable isn't really suitable.

Whilst the English Wikipedia has a really good editor base, it doesn't mean that something that is notable has to exist there for it to exist on simple. Even if Enwiki had a consensus that all paintings were defacto non-notable, that wouldn't pass through to here.

My suggestion would be one of two things - either make a list of articles that you think aren't suitable, and post them somewhere for a discussion (as we have started this thread, it seems suitable here). We can then get a discussion going and confirm if we think as a group that all/any/none of those articles are notable.

The other thing you can do, now that someone has reverted your redirect is to take that article to AfD for that same discussion I just mentioned. The issue with simply redirecting non-notable isn't so much of a problem with one article, but when you do many it's difficult to catch up and get a consensus afterwards. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fa... b... (G...) (link to article that says NOTHING about notability. (Being in an art-collection, means little. However, being on permanent display at the Louvre or (permanent display at) Germany's national museum: those articles stand a fair chance of not being Deleted, for whatever reason. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:6545:D815:ECAB:E065 (talk) 02:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am only responding to the last and only that comment: The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. per w:Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals. Nowhere does it state that it only has to be on a permanent display as the only criteria. And since you made the statement you just made, you answered my previous question that you evaded by your run on turning it on me. That was all I needed to know. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please quote (and link) to w:Wikipedia:Paintings, or something relevant.--I have made no attempt at discussing the notability of Painters (so for now, I have no plan to dig into En-wiki's guidelines about Painters).--If Simple-wiki wants to become a Dumping Ground Articles about individual (non-notable) Paintings, then that is a fair enough position. However, En-wiki is no such thing.--Wiki-lawyering and such, is one thing. But the proof is in the Delete-discussions, so to speak.--See ya there, when anyone starts any Delte-discussion.--Meanwhile I will be busy working on other articles.--Good luck! 2001:2020:333:B233:905E:248F:C4EA:DD11 (talk) 19:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E[reply]

IP Editor - Please look at the link in the reply right above that covers creative artists. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please be aware if the following is going on: Articles about (individual) Italian paintings, being created: Article not being created in Italian language, only French and/or Spanish language.--In that case "Suspicious Minds" (Elvis song), might become the song of the hour. 2001:2020:319:CE6F:2408:3F6E:33D8:7A7B (talk) 05:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E[reply]

An article existing on other Wikipedias has little bearing to whether or not it should exist here. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomato sauce article

I feel like tomato sauce should be a standalone article rather than a disambiguation page. What do you guys think? We can then put a redirect to Ketchup in the hatnote. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 18:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure we'd want an additional article for tomato sauce if ketchup already exists. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomato sauce and ketchup are two different things though. They both are tomato-based, yes, but they are made with different ingredients. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at what we have, it's ocmpletely off the track:

Tomato sauce is made from tomatoes, and is the base for many sauces in the Italian and other cuisines. It is not pasta sauce, and it isn't limited to Italian cuisine
Ketchup is a spcial condiment, which likely also exists in two or three versions.

So, how should we clear this up? Eptalon (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced it with a three-sentence stub, to be extended. Also, I leave cleaning up intwewiki stuff to others. Eptalon (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I was busy, but thank you. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say split tomato sauce and ketchup, although modern ketchup is just tomatoes and sugar, it can be a variety of edible foods, like fish, and mushrooms. RiggedMint 15:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New change update

Hi all, just wanted to post one of the items from the tech changes that applies to everyone. The rest are admin and bot related for those users who use them or are them.

The notice "Language links are at the top of the page" that appears in the Vector 2022 skin main menu has been removed now that users have learned the new location of the Language switcher.

Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody please revdel the high offensive MR term from the Generation Alpha Page's history?

Is there anybody on Simple English Wikipedia whoever can take off the MR disability term in the history of that page, please? It's too far offensive for me to want to go through the page history looking at that terminology in the Generation Alpha page here. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 19:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(non admin comment) The offending edit appears to be here and on another article here, Not a nice word I agree but imho not enough to revdel but others may disagree and revdel –Davey2010^Talk 20:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed, the intention was to cause offense and be disruptive.Peterdownunder (talk) 20:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removing user rights

Should this Wiki remove special user rights (example: Rollback) from inactive users? I know we do this for administrators, but is there something like this for other special permissions? SI (talk) 18:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than remove them from inactive users, maybe we should remove them from indeffed users. Inactive users haven't done anything to show that they can't be trusted, but blocked and banned users have. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 I disagree with you on this. I’m thinking of w:WP:INDEFRIGHTS where if the editor is not site banned or did not misuse their rights, then the right(s) stay in place and they do not need to go through another RfP. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for high tier user rights being removed for inactivity is security. Items such as rollback isn't close to dangerous enough to remove from all accounts on an activity basis. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't remove rollback because its not a security concern with that flag. Has been discussed in the past a few times I think and there really just isn't a good reason to remove them. -Djsasso (talk) 18:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I see no benefit to this. Apart from the amount of work it would take I see no reason to do it. Removing rights from banned or blocked users is fine however. If they score an unblock they should have to apply for RB again.fr33k man 18:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

City, state in infoboxes

In your opinion, should infoboxes for US cities include the name of the state in their header? (For example, should the infobox for Tampa, Florida have just "Tampa", or "Tampa, Florida" for its header?). I know they are usually copied from enwiki, so it's not that important for simplewiki to have its own preference, but if someone is updating the infobox, which do you think is better. Enwiki has suggestions but doesn't really follow them. Kk.urban (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban They should have the state. Some states have the same cities. Scranton, PA and Scranton, OH; San Diego, CA and San Diego, TX. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and that's because many names were taken from Britain, where they are still used (well, not the Spanish names!) Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep for the reasons already stated as well as there not really being any reasons I can think of not to. -Djsasso (talk) 18:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Totally was thinking you meant page name as opposed to header on infobox for some reason. In the infobox they probably aren't as necessary because we aren't disambiguating in the infobox, but I might do it for smaller places that need to be disambiguated but not for big places that are clear what they are for example "Los Angeles". I just use what en.wiki uses since we tend to just bring over the infoboxes from there and having a difference in this case just adds complexity that isn't needed. -Djsasso (talk) 14:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Djsasso It still should have it in there because we pull wikidata from it so it helps to have the extra name in it as I look at the page and the infobox to make sure they are the same and contain the correct information for that specific city/town. Would we want the wrong data for a town that has a population of 200 vs. 450,000 (extravagant difference but being used as an example)? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A community proposal

I have come up with a project that not only affects simple, but will encourage us as a volunteer team to help clear up a major back log of articles. If interested in this project, please visit my project proposal page and help form this amazing and fun team. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nice initiative 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 13:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

is it like wikiproject references? MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk) 19:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure but they may be referring to Wikipedia:Big Weekend which used to happen once in awhile. -Djsasso (talk) 14:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PotsdamLamb seems to be retired now (see his userpage). Should we move this to another account? SI (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's the most advisable option.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 13:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or how about not moving stuff from my personal space. @Djsasso This is to happen continuously, though not just on weekends. For everyone else, please post on the proposal page, not here. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How are you defining "the backlog"? Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkfrog24 It will be based on the categories. We have a lot that show as “back log” based on how that category is set. For example All BLPs needing sources which is a parent of of All BLPs needing more sources, lacking sources, no sources. More than likely start with the BLPs no sources to eliminate that by putting at least one source on the article and then work our way up. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure BLP would be a good place to start. Biographies of living people require extra skill that I've not seen required for other types of articles. I've been wikiwriting for many years, and I don't know how to BLP. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkfrog24 Just using it as an example to answer your question. On the project page is where we propose what to work on. This was meant as the announcement section :) Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Importer

Is there a way to request something to be imported without going through the Requests for Importer process?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just ask an admin to import it. (which for most people is the prefered method) Do you need something brought over? -Djsasso (talk) 14:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, probably should've guessed that. And yes, I could use something being brought over.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to let me know what it is. -Djsasso (talk) 14:36, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nevermind, I didn't do enough research :|.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FusionSub I can also help with this. Just leave me a note on my tp and I can bring it over. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your wiki will be in read-only soon

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Did it work here? I don't think that it went read-only here.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did notice that there was a read-only period for less than an hour when the servers were being switched. I tried publishing an edit but I got the message that I couldn't publish since the Wiki was Read-Only. 84Swagahh (talk) 14:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, I didn't notice any problems at all when the switchover occured.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 13:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this draft good?

I have been working on a draft here User:Immanuelle/Kasuga-taisha can someone give me feedback on it? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 22:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle I will be happy to take a look and see what you have. Give me a few minutes and I will post on your talk page my thoughts. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Getting an article to GA status

Hello.

I've come to ask about the quality of this article and what still needs to be done as an editor improved it and came recently to the talk page of the Video Games Wikiproject to ask for help getting it to GA status, and I figured I'd field opinions on it. It'd be nice to get it there soon. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The biggest issue may be that there's a lot of redlinks. Whilst the WP:GA criteria doesn't specify that all links have to be blue, there is a requirement for most links to not be red. In terms of sourcing and content it's good, but may need some additional clipping in terms of sentence structure. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the editor he mentioned, thank you for the suggestions. Seems like MourningRainfall has fixed most of the redlinks already. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most links are not red (as of today).--I am guessing that the ratio blue:red, is c. 3:1.--That issue seems (as of today), taken care of. 2001:2020:317:BD8D:D839:E120:3200:9764 (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timestamp tool

Link to image

Hi, Does anyone know what tool the clickable timestamp is ?, I can click timestamps which copies the url to my clipboard and changes the url to for instance Wikipedia:Simple_talk#c-FusionSub-20240322141400-Importer however the timestamp is grey and I hate it,

I dont appear to have this feature enabled on EN as the timestamps are black/unclickable so I have no idea what this tool is ?, Nothing's ticked in beta features and as far as I know CSS stuff's fine?, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 14:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think its a beta feature, I believe this is the current version we are on here now. Likely en opted out of the change knowing them or it just hasn't happened there yet, rollouts tend to go to smaller wikis first. But I will take a look. -Djsasso (talk) 14:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Djsasso, Oh ..... okay .... What does grey do that black doesn't though? (sorry wasn't asking you I'm just confused with the point of it lol), I've checked WP/T and TECHNEWS and nothing seems to come up so I'll ask at EN on the offchance they might know, Thanks for your help it's greatly appreciated, Many Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 15:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone to Spain Wiki and the timestamps are the exact same there too so you're right this is some sort of roll out/update, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 15:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe when you click it and get that link if someone else opens that link it highlights the comment that the link is from. -Djsasso (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh so it does, It's clever and I'm impressed .... just a shame it's not black lol, –Davey2010^Talk 16:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if it was black it would certainly make legibility better for people that may be having problems reading it currently.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(It was reported on m:Tech/News/2024/05.) LightNightLights (talk) 16:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah okay thanks for that, Interesting, –Davey2010^Talk 17:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TheChineseEmbassyLondon

Vandalism only account. BigKrow (talk) 03:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BigKrow You want to report this to WP:VIP. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Account is globally locked. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page Request

Hi! Would someone be willing to help us create a Wikipedia page for our client screenwriter/playwright Jonathan Abrams? He wrote the book for "The Heart of Rock and Roll" that is about to open on Broadway, and he wrote the screenplay for the upcoming Clint Eastwood film "Juror No. 2." Here is his IMDb Pro page: https://pro.imdb.com/name/nm3524942/credits Rubyzinner (talk) 13:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this may not be notable enough, if it is, though, I think we can. (see WP:GNG) simpleist (talk) 13:47, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly I would decline this. He doesn’t meet any notability requirements and having some ask the community to create a page for their client means they want us to do the work so they can get paid. @Simpleist Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I promise we would not benefit from this haha! He is an independent artist and writer - his new film involves Clint Eastwood and he wrote a show that is opening on Broadway. He is mentioned on multiple wiki pages but there is no link to an outside page for him. Would love your help beginning a basic page for him. Not trying to take advantage at all haha - just not my area of expertise and figured maybe someone who enjoyed this could offer a helping hand. No need to be rude!! Rubyzinner (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done as a non-starter, no evidence of any notability, Please read WP:Notability and WP:GNG, Thanks –Davey2010^Talk 20:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Sandbox

On enwiki as well as other wikis similar to its size, there is a feature called the "personal sandbox" located at the top right. I get that you're able to manually create one, but it would be helpful to newbies as well as people who use simplewiki exclusively to have one. Is there a way an admin can enable such feature? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LOLHWAT (talk • contribs) 15:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LOLHWAT, hi there. In the past, a proposal was proposed for this but was rejected as the good impact could easily be outweighed by spam. --Ferien (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In case I've missed a message, do we stop someone creating say User:Lee Vilenski/sandbox, or the like? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski No. you can create it and other subpages under your name Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski, no, creating sandboxes is still acceptable and encouraged, to be honest, just it's probably best for the link not to be enabled. It was last discussed on Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 140#Sandbox link / m:Requests for comment/Enable sandbox for all Wikipedias, the reasons are more detailed (and probably better explained) there. --Ferien (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Makes perfect sense. Just wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand as I know there's no draftspace. I don't have any specific feelings on generating a link to creating a user sandbox. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naming this Wiki

Hi there, there seems to be no consensus on whether to refer to this wiki as "Simple English Wikipedia," "Simple," or "Simple English." This page seems to name it as 'simple,' however, enwiki simply calls themselves "Wikipedia" and had discouraged calling it "Wiki," since at least the 2000s. What should be done for SW, especially since we have many, many similarities? Thanks, LOLHWAT (talk) 16:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i believe all three names may be used, but Simple English Wikipedia seems pretty good. four-wicket running back body (talk) 19:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People refer to projects by different names, For instance I call the English Wikipedia "EN" and Simple "Simple Wikipedia". Officially it's called Simple English Wikipedia and includes this when you hover over any Simple Wikipedia tab on Chrome, –Davey2010^Talk 19:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

En.wikipedia doesn't call itself Wikipedia, it is the "English Language Wikipedia". It is the general public that simplifies it. Wikipedia is the term used for all the different language Wikipedias. We don't use "Wiki" as a term much, because it has a specific meaning. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Official name: "Simple English Wikipedia." Nicknames: "SEWP," "Simple," "Simplewiki," "simple.wikipedia." We're good. Wear an outfit of due formality to the situation; use a name of due formality to the situation. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the name "Simple English Wikipedia" than just "Simple Wikipedia". When I read the name "Simple English Wikipedia", I know this is wikipedia where the article is written in simple English. When I read the name "simple wikipedia", I don't know what is "simple" here. In Vietnamese, we refer to the Vietnamese Wikipedia simply as "Wikipedia", and the English Wikipedia as "English Wikipedia" in full. Therefore, I believe ‘Simple English Wikipedia’ should be the preferred term. Hanoifun (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh, good point. I don't think we need a rule about it, but yes. Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vestry Road

I am wondering if this should be redirected to, perhaps, London? I’m not familiar with it but no other article exists for this and the wikidata entry is just the article name and linked to simple. Nothing else in the qid. Thoughts? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb I think it would be better to redirect to Southwark than London, since that’s the region it’s in. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 02:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle Thanks! Like I said I don’t know much about London or any of that country layout. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwanese people redirects to China

This page Taiwanese people redirects to People's Republic of China. I think it needs to be fixed to redirect to Taiwan. Also early revisions might need to be deleted. They are troll revisions but not grossly offensive. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle I fixed it so it redirects to Taiwan. Kk.urban (talk) 21:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like a bot did it at a time when the article Taiwan itself redirected to the article about China. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dixon, Iowa

Are the changes I made to Dixon, Iowa okay? I thought that it would be better to put the old demographic information in table form rather than keeping so many paragraphs of census facts. Kk.urban (talk) 01:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban I think it looks great. I brought over the infobox from en wiki (there is no issue with copying/pasting it as long as attribution is given). I also added the commons and authority control. Otherwise, I think it looks fine as long as it is simple and contains the same information. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:53, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to change auto-archive setting on main talk page

Hello all! I have a proposal on the table at proposal topic. Please do not discuss on this page; head over to the main page to discuss and vote. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Template

Can someone bring the Template:Infobox UN resolution from En Wiki to here? --💌Ayesha46 (talk) 13:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ayesha46

Done Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 13:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being harassed by users

A user (I prefer not saying the name of these editors) has accused me of spamming articles and vandalism which I would never do on any Wikipedia system sites. How could I report the harassing users on this Wikipedia? And they are claiming I will be banned for these so called rule violations. I'm feeling very objectified right now. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 13:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Angela,

What about writing a mail to the admin or oversigter mailing list? We will handle the case. Harrassment of any kind can't be tolerated. Eptalon (talk) 14:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, You can report them to WP:VIP, WP:ANI or failing that you can email any admin at Special:ListUsers/sysop, Harassment is never tolerated on any Wikimedia project. –Davey2010^Talk 14:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed DYK rule change

I have proposed a change to the rules of DYK here. Please give your thoughts on the proposal in the appropriate sections on that page. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AI generated images

HI! Just wondering how we are going to deal with AI generated images being used on pages. One example of it is what I saw on Loyalakpa‎, and I just wanted to know what the wider community thinks about it.--BRP^ever 12:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a problem for commons, as we don't allow image uploads. Note also: detecting that an image is AI generated can be very difficult. Eptalon (talk) 12:19, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason we would ever really care here is if we allow image uploads, which is certainly not happening anytime soon.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 12:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eptalon, @FusionSub, I am talking about using the images. Artificial images that aren't real might not substantially represent the topic, and similar issue. And there is the problem of genuinity. BRP^ever 15:52, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, an AI image should probably be avoided if possible.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

to be clear: if the image serves to illustrate what it should, I don't see a problem of using an ai generated image. Ideally we should mention it is AI generated. Modern cameras and smartphones already have technologies that enhance an image, 'AI' is just another set of such technologies. Eptalon (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify my stance: I believe if there is a non-AI image that serves the exact same purpose as an AI image, the non-AI image should take priority, but AI images can be used if it represents the subject well and there isn't any non-AI version. I also agree with Eptalon that, in cases where AI generated images are used, it should be clearly stated that it was either generated by AI or digitally modified by an AI.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 17:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think anything AI should be avoided. It’s taking parts of images and putting them together and no clue if any of it is copyrighted or not. As the AI will generate its own description and info about it and not give attribution. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 04:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BRPever On the line of AI, but not graphical, we probably need to look out for this User:Phlsph7/SourceVerificationAIAssistant. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:13, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

and this one User:Phlsph7/WikiChatbot. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, like all semi-assisted edits, the person making the edit is responsible for the edit. They should be confirming before just taking the changes as gospel. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:26, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski Agreed, but then again, you have to remember we are small and most of the editors are IP editors, LTAs, banned, etc., and do not care what they put on here. They just want to cause disruption. I was just pointing out these tools so all of us are aware they are being made. I know a few articles were created by AI and they can be hard to detect, especially here, as some of the editors are non-native speakers and they use broken English as they are not familiar with nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fix Special:UnconnectedPages

Is there a way to remove the admin related pages, RfDs, etc., from this category? It has a huge number of articles in it, but most are related to previously stated articles. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:12, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

So templates were completed Template:Egyptology/Colour1 through 5 (missed 4 and it was on the templates requested page). I looked at the articles to see what it was needed for, however, enwiki does not have any of these, so I am unable to create this request. Does anyone know of why these were created or........@Lee Vilenski as an admin on en wiki and then our team. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 09:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, what exactly is the request? What is this template for? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:53, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd assume that this stems from the portal space [2], but there's not much info about that either. Unless we know what they are used for, I'd recommend cleanup. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski That is what I am trying to figure out. It looks like it was imported from en wiki in 2020, from a portal. It appears to be in template )Template:Infobox hieroglyphs) that is defining colors. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But, is there any reason for the colours? I'm all for importing templates to simple where they are required, but this seems super legacy to me. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski Not that I can honestly see, but I did not bring them over. Perhaps @Eptalon can chime in on this one... Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:07, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all - Total Backlog Annihilation

Not a lot of people commented on the page, but some did here on Simple Talk. We are going to start this user project. Please visit the link in the title and do not comment here on simple talk please. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:19, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ATTENTION: All Editors—We are now set up with a relatively easy task. Please visit Total Backlog Annihilation to get all the information, and feel free to help. There are no criteria for participating, but all help will be appreciated. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jobs

If we don’t have any jobs we can’t provide in ours live if we have jobs we can provide in our live. 149.54.27.177 (talk) 05:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're at the wrong place. This is for discussion of the encyclopedia, not a general forum for talk. LOLHWAT (talk) 13:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sidebar template vs. end-of-article template

This article now has a sidebar template, and it has a similar subject template (at the end of the article, which in some ways is Simpler.)--Link to that version of wiki-article, simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Many-worlds_interpretation&oldid=9456518.--Good luck, while i work on other articles. 2001:2020:31B:E8E9:E88E:A87C:7562:D4E8 (talk) 22:41, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor, so you are aware, you placed that smack in the middle of the section. Any navigation templates like that go at the end of the article (but never after authority control if present, if not, then before any categories or any other ending matter). I have adjusted it to the correct place. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Astrochemistry

I have added a page on astrochemistry although I could use some help getting it up and running. Anyone who wishes to help can find the page here. Wastelandhero18 (talk) 21:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wastelandhero18 Welcome to Simple English Wikipedia. We are all volunteers and cannot really dedicate time to all request to expand an article as we have other things we do. You can always expand it and simplify it and we can take a look and help you if something is wrong. If you visit Auntof6's page, they have a lot of links to share out with the simple English and other things to help out new users. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PDL is right. Today, I happened to feel like scrubbing up your starter article. Articles that small we mark with a stub tag at the bottom: {{stub}}. I added a reference section too. Remember to write in simple English, not regular English! Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this draft good for mainspace

I made this draft User:Immanuelle/List of Toki Pona words do you think it is good for mainspace or does it need more work? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 19:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle I will post my review on your talk page so as to not take up much space on here. For those who would like to follow, please visit List of Toki Pona words. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism on Caint Christopher

I see vandalism on this page Saint Christopher Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 00:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle

Resolved.

Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Practice of adding ISBN information to translations with book sources

Scenario: An article is translated from another Wiki, references and all. The references do not all have urls. The references to books lack ISBN information. A user here on SEWP goes through the references, searches the title, author, and, if available, year and publisher, and adds the ISBN that they find associated with that but they do not otherwise confirm that this ISBN is from the specific version of the book that the original Wikieditor used. Thoughts? Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I explained to DF, ISBNs are only assigned to one piece of work. So no one gets the same ISBN. Once everything matches, that is when I get the ISBN solidified. Similar to bar codes on the products at a grocery store. Each one has a different bar code and no two ever have the same one. They are broken down by the manufacturer and then even further. Same as ISBNs. Starting with the publisher, to the author, to the title, to the date, and so forth. This is why they are all unique. Every country has one organization that is authorized to issue it by that government. So when I do these searches and very thorough, I get a match. If I cannot match it I let it go. However, on some cases, like the one today, I cannot find that author writing that book during that year. I found the same match with a different author and 2 years later and used that as the chapters matched from what was cited in the main article to what was in the book. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 01:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No two ISBNs lead to the same book, but the same book can have more than one ISBN. It's like a doi.

The book The Hemingses of Monticello has, on a brief Google search, fourteen different ISBNs, even when I include the year of publication. A hardcover and audiobook may be released the same year. The same book may be released in different countries the same year. They'll all have different ISBNs. Some of these versions will contain different phrasing or different information. They almost always have slightly different page numbers (or no page numbers).

If the original editor only supplied the title, author, publisher, and year, no I do not think any of us should add an ISBN. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkfrog24 Understood. Thanks you for the advice. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved.

I will no longer do it. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encapsulated_PostScript

If anyone knows about this subject feel free and add on! Thank you very much!!! BigKrow (talk) 23:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know it's a subset of Postscript, and unrelated to PDF. I am not an expert though. Eptalon (talk) 09:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison

Hi all. Since I am not familiar with some subjects, I am wondering if Rail transport in the United Kingdom should be moved to Rail transport in Great Britain. ENWP has the latter article, but it seems to have some differences. Thoughts? Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The United Kingdom and Great Britain aren't exactly the same place. Depending on what you are planning to put in the article will set what the article title should be. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski If you look at Rail transport in Great Britain there is a shortcut at the top that goes to a redirect page that brings you back to Rail transport in Great Britain but a specific section on Rail transport in the United Kingdom Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that link goes to en:Transport in the United Kingdom#Rail transport in the United Kingdom, rather than back to the same article. Regardless, we don't need to be strictly defined by what is done on enwiki, but, given that we probably don't need to articles, a master article on rail transport in the UK (which includes Great Britain) might be suitable. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, you are correct. I am just putting it out there. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was better to do the UK and include Northern Ireland - although there isnt a great deal said about Northern Ireland. But I doubt it will get its own article any time soon. Rathfelder (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great Britain is the island that includes England, Scotland, and Wales. It is not a country, so anything related to it would not be in any "by country" categories. It could be in the United Kingdom categories.

An article on rail transport in Great Britain would cover just that island. It could be part of rail transport in the United Kingdom. Rail transport in Great Britain would all be connected, so it might make sense to cover it as a whole. It might have different operators, history, technical info, etc. than rail transport in other parts of the United Kingdom (for example, Northern Ireland). So like Lee said, it depends on what is going to be in the article. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Project update

Hello fellow editors! If you have a few minutes, I was able to get the back in a category down from over 100 to 36. If you can hop on the project and help out, that would be very much appreciated. You can visit Total Backlog Annihilation for the instructions, a script to assist (if you prefer) and the link to the category we are working on. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 13:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still in the scoring process for the F&F competition, let's have a look... Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to thank everyone who participated in this portion. We were able to take the backlog from over 200 items down to 18 (of which the ones remaining are either QDs or at RfD). It was a blast. I will set up the next task within a couple of days and see what we can do. Again, thank you all for helping out. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:54, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Main Page Knowledge groups issue

Under Government and law both 'Defense' and 'Military' point to military. Maybe choose one or the other? Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Minor planet(s) templates

Hello. I noticed something. As of now, Category:Minor planet templates is a redirect category and Category:Minor planets templates ("planets") is the target category; it is the other way around on enwiki. I do not know what to do. Thank you in advance :) Dream Indigo 16:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops

I accidentally moved a test subpage I made (User:LOLHWAT/beta.js) to User:Trash!! I can't move it back. Please help me with this! LOLHWAT (talk) 01:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfD criteria (non-speedy)

If an article is just not in Simple English, if it's clearly not a machine translation, if the drafter clearly tried to make it simpler but didn't understand the scale of what was wanted, and if that author posted more than ten such articles in a short time frame, do we nominate them for regular deletion? Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkfrog24 Do you have an example of the article or the editor in question? Would this happen to be the same one from yesterday that opposed your method of evaluating articles for the folklore contest? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 14:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regular deletion criteria should be about the article in question and unrelated to the editor who created it. What you are asking: Suppose there is an article that needs simplification, and that no simplification had been done for .. (months), can we nominate the article for deletion? - unfortunately, if no qd criterion applies, and the subject passes notability (etc) we can't Eptalon (talk) 14:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, some of the entries in the Feminism and Folklore contest look like they might as well be on en.wiki. I think the entrant did not know what was expected. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok so it is the editor I was thinking. I also made some comments on their tp based on what they are doing and the mass creation without completing them or fixing things. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can they be simplified with a reasonable amount of work, or can we put a simple stub there? - obviously after the contest, we don't want to influence the contest Eptalon (talk) 18:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eptalon You can take a look here. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:15, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All we can really do is tag them and actually work through Category:Complex pages. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski That will take a long time as we have no where near the amount of editors you have on en. It’s something we slowly work on (and by slowly I mean slower than a snail). However, this particular topic is about editors who throw near versions of en articles onto simple with little simplification and try to enter it into the Folklore contest and this one editor mentioned here seems to not understand that as they mass create them and then disapprove of how they are evaluated. We don’t really want to touch those articles while the contest is going on. So we aren’t tagging them or anything just leaving comments and suggestions on the editors tp. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some articles that have been waiting more than 10 years for simplification. I think the question is - Is this worse than no article at all? Authorship should not normally be relevant. Rathfelder (talk) 22:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder Oh I know. I fixed the box that shows articles back to day one tags. That’s why some boxes say almost 3200 instead of the 500 they said a week ago. The ones for the contest can be tagged after it’s over, but like Eptalon said we don’t do it while it’s going on so as to not make any influence on the contest (or appearance there of). A list can always be made. Even @Darkfrog24 may have a list of ones for after to get tagged with the issues. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. We're not talking about misconduct on the contributor's part. My take is that if the SEWP article is not much easier to read than the en.wiki counterpart, then we're better off with a red link. I'm speaking for myself here, but it's more satisfying to write a short simple English article from scratch than it is to fix someone else's regular English contributions.

As for the contest, the writing period ended March 31. The contestants have put down their pencils, so to speak. Even while the contest was ongoing, my take is that SEWP's and its readers' needs come first. If a third party improves a contestant's article before Haoreima or I can give it a score, we'll deal with it.

One contestant (a different person) submitted some contest entry articles that were deleted weeks ago. That does not disrupt the contest. We just gave that person points for the better work they did elsewhere. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the following things are almost always possible:

put relevant tags on the sections in question.
Comment out or delete the sections that are far too complex
Replace with a simple stub that can later get extended

Note also that some subjects are difficult to explain, and readability tests are a good indication, but keep in mind that they fail miserably for some subjects Eptalon (talk) 09:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move "Jumu'ah" to "Friday prayer"

"Friday prayer" is a more general and a more common term to non-Muslims than just Jumu'ah. We know what it's called but it's more generally called "Friday prayer" by the media. kleshkreikne. T 04:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Because "Friday prayer" is a common name, and also simpler, and this move was also discussed on English Wikipedia, I have moved it. Kk.urban (talk) 04:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should we be using English words where possible? Rathfelder (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Euphemisms

Should we be taking out euphemisms like passed away? Rathfelder (talk) 12:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Not only are such terms not simple, they are not encyclopedic. There is en:MOS:EUPHEMISM, which our version of that page doesn't have. -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pages for deletion

Hi, I would like to delete the following userpages: User:LOLHWAT/beta.js User:LOLHWAT/common.js They were test pages, and Twinkle is unable to delete them due to them being JS pages.

Thanks, LOLHWAT (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As they are in your userspace, can you not just blank those pages? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can, but the template for JS still shows. LOLHWAT (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beta.js is also uneditable. LOLHWAT (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i have deleted both pages Eptalon (talk) 16:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! LOLHWAT (talk) 16:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LOLHWAT FYI, you can use twinkle and select the author requests deletion option. This will put them in the category for you and the next admin to hit those will delete them for you. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of countries in the 1990s

I noticed an issue with formatting under A for Afghanistan. I do not know how to fix and was hoping someone may know what to do. It appears like someone is using svg images and not using flagu perimeters, but this is out of my wheelhouse. If someone knows how to fix it, that would be great. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is specifically {{flagdeco|Afghanistan|1987}} which is showing wrongly. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should be fixed now. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski Thanks! Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 23:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any simple wikipedias for other languages like French or Chinese

English is the most commonly spoken second language, but there are others like French, Hindi, and Arabic that also have many speakers. Is there a simple wikipedia for these languages? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 17:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle Not to my knowledge. Here is a complete list of them List of Wikipedias. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb is "Thanks, and be well! " part of your signature? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 17:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle yes it is. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

to my knowledge, SEWP is the only one. During some time there was the idea for simplified French, and there was also one for Simplified German. Neither of them made it, though Eptalon (talk) 17:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Immanuelle, PotsdamLamb, and Eptalon: Not exactly, but there is Vikidia, which is intended to be an encyclopedia for children, and does try to write things simply. Its largest version is French and it has some other languages too (including English). Unlike Wikipedia, it is censored and doesn't allow inappropriate content for children. Kk.urban (talk) 18:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban That is not a WMF site though from what I can tell as I cannot log in with my credentials. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:07, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb True, it's an entirely separate website. Kk.urban (talk) 18:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't run by the Wikimedia foundation. Also, it being moderated ('censored') kinda ruins much of the idea... Eptalon (talk) 18:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban: We have an official project for teachers to get Thier classes editing simplewiki. @Eptalon: or @Djsasso: would Probably know more than I would iirc. fr33k man 19:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like simple Arabic Wikipedia would have a lot of people who want to use it. Because many people speak only one dialect of Arabic. But I'm not sure how many people would prefer it to French or English. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

with the current ruleset, getting a new language is difficult esp. If you can't point to something like an iso-code. Eptalon (talk) 21:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the Simple Wiktionary is the only one, I believe. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. There are not any Simple Wikipedias for any other languages. The problem is that there is no such language as "Simple English". When we started simple wiki the rules were lax and you didn't have to have an official ISO language code in order to get approved. Now a Wikipedia has to be an official living or dead language. We got grandfathered in (we snuck in). If we tried to start a French Simple Wikipedia it would be denied without even a vote because the language doesn't exist. Basically we are lucky. Just about every year or so there is a discussion on meta to close simplewiki because it's not a language. It always fails because a) too much work has gone into it, b) we try to stick to BE850 and BE1500 which are official word lists we try to adhere to and c) there is an active user community and d) people don't seem to see any harm in letting it stay open. I suppose that a case could be made for Simplified Chinese because that is different from "official" Chinese. Hope this helps. fr33k man 19:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate?

Can anyone who knows about Football tell/see whether the article 2025 UEFA Super Cup is a duplicate of 2024–25 UEFA Europa League or not and whether it's notable because the article doesn't have any references yet. -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the same. Those are two different events. The UEFA Super Cup is a match between the winners of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

so if I link it in the Wikidata to 2025 UEFA Europa League final, will it be fine? 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's a different match. It's a bit crazy to have the 2025 Super Cup article, as the 2024 Super Cup hasn't happened yet (it happens in like September this year). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haha ok it got deleted anyways 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 08:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it’s too far out yet and with the way things are going on in the world and the fact we aren’t a magic 8 ball it’s useless pretty much. It would be like doing the 2026 Winter Olympics articles right now. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 2026 Winter Olympics wouldn't be too far away right now, considering qualification is happening now. I don't neccesarily think something so far ahead is particularly worrisome, so long as we have some details. An uncited item with no info doesn't make that suitable. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski agreed. But throwing up a sentence or two is not exactly what we want either. Example. I’m going to start prepping to 2024 US Election pages. They will have some info on them, and ready to be moved out into the main space basically when they are fully nominated by their respective party. One issue though I know is pending is for Biden to be on Ohios ballots as their deadline is before the conference where he should be named. Luckily since it’s an info box it can be easily changed once and effect all the articles linked to it. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser requests

This is just a friendly reminder that people can't just request for a single username to be checked. You need to request at least two users to be checked otherwise it's called fishing and it forbidden by global WMF policy. fr33k man 20:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add to that that as checkusers, we are forbidden from linking usernames with IP adresses; we can't comment on IP addresses. So, only named accounts please... Eptalon (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well put!! fr33k man 21:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ultraviolet

Early today I tried implementing WP:Ultraviolet through here expecting for it to be shown by creating 10mn (thanks to the MW GlobalUser Extension), but it didn't work. However, JPxG is an example of said extension working. How exactly do I do this? It's up for QD but I would like to know. LOLHWAT (talk) 21:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LOLHWAT Ultraviolet and Redwarn don’t work here as our setup on the backend is different. That’s why we use Twinkle or just user scripts. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

replicating templates from en.wiki

is it feasible to get that working here?

it's an attempt to replicate en:Template:West Bank Labelled Map

or is there to much missing?

it's not vitally important, if there's a simple fix it would be useful, but if we're missing simmering big i'll just delete the broken attempt.

Irtapil (talk) 03:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check it now - is that how it's supposed to look? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Irtapil what is this being used for? We can’t just bring templates over especially for just one article. I see you attempted to copy it over and it didn’t work. There are certain requirements to be met and looked at before it comes into SEWP. I don’t see any back links to any of your subpages and I know you have a lot of subpages so I would urge you to ask before you bring it over so it can be done correctly. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move "Gupta" (reason: disambiguation-page coming up)

Gupta, to Gupta (Yadav).--Links to 3 articles (and i can change that, 'after the fact').--Please make that move, thanks.--See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_(disambiguation). Thanks. 2001:2020:32D:F669:5058:6530:E50C:3FEB (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daily conversation

91.73.191.43 (talk) 23:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Gupta are a Gotra or Sub-Caste of Yadavas found in indian state Bihar".--So, now you all have read the entire "Gupta wiki-article".--That subjects seems to have escaped English-wiki (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_(disambiguation) ).--You might consider alternatives QD or nominate-for-Delete, or Move.--Good luck, while i work on other articles (during the wait for community-action). 2001:2020:309:C5A3:8DBE:A80D:29AE:760D (talk) 15:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please move Gupta to Gupta (Yadav caste). 2001:2020:339:B73A:2DEA:8B16:BF90:AC3 (talk) 00:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

250K Pages

We made it to 250k! This is a big milestone for our community. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm claiming 250,000th, even though there's no such thing. Fantastic work. Youll notice Simple English has moved up at the bottom of en:Main Page Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you (as in "Simple's community") considered to write a post on the Diff to celebrate this milestone? Trizek (WMF) (talk) 14:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trizek (WMF): How do you do that? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

m:Diff (blog) has many information, but in short you should:

draft a common statement here, highlighting the achievement, the potential 250,000th article and the next challenges for your community (for instance, the too many stubs, along with Simple's specifics).
Review the draft. It must follow the editorial process, and there is a checklist for publishing. I can also assit you there
login on Diff, and post the draft, then submit it for review.
It's published by the editorial staff.

I'm happy to assist you on the final steps, let me know! Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to congratulate all those that made this possible. When I went on wikibreak we had about 65k fr33k man 14:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Problem I have with this, is we have a lot of one and two sentence articles. So while yes, the number is high, the quality is still low. I know it was brought up last year to have an article review team before anything got published, but I was told that was shot down. Even worse is some articles are basically dictionary definitions that are never expanded on. Again only being a sentence or two when we have wiktionary for that. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 14:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you on the issue of short, one or two-line stubs. It's something I raised last year as well. We definitely need to focus on improving the quality of our content, rather than just the quantity. Thanks for bringing it up again. – Cyber.Eyes2005^Talk 14:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Realistically, putting something in the newsletter is good press. Every wiki has a lot of poor articles. Promoting a milestone can only get more eyes on the platform. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski I would tend to agree with that, but on the flip side of that coin, will it bring us more trouble than us normal editors can handle? Like more people who do not speak English and we have to clean up the articles or a lot more cut/paste of complex articles, more short article, etc.? I think we would be better off if we were able to get the review process over here before they go to mainspace which will have two major benefits IMHO:

Less spam articles to QD, because we would stop them before going to main space
We can kick back ones that have potential that meet requirements. I am sure we can get a dedicated amount of people to help out on it. Myself included. I know @Ferien has been trying but the community voted against it but I would have to find it in the archives from last year.

Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are somewhat misunderstanding the reach of the WMFs periodical. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, many articles are short or low quality but that has always been the case since we started, so I think meeting 250k is still great for a small wiki. We are one of the largest small wikis and the others have the problem of short and poor quality articles and our articles are much better quality than many of the small languages wikis so I don't think this removes anything from the quality of our work!! fr33k man 16:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski was this meant for me? If so, please remember to ping me as I don’t always look at this page unless I’m mentioned or it’s been a while. I understand the reach but at the same time if we get people here they need to understand how we work compared to any other wiki. That will be the problem we will have to face. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 09:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A way to have better quality articles, or to assist newcomers in their editing, is to turn on Mentorship. You already have mentors who volunteered, but the mentorship system is not turned on. At the moment, any new users arriving on the wiki finds tasks to work on, but they have no human being on their Homepage ready to answer their questions. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 12:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trizek (WMF) Yes to my knowledge there are 3 of us. I did want to ask what is the readership number of the The Diff? Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we have mentors, then it probably should be turned on. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb, I asked my colleague if they can publish the recent 2023 report somewhere public. I'll keep you posted. Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trizek (WMF) Thank you. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]