Talk:The Game of Death

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• The Game of Death#Game of Death Redux:
  1: The 1978 version uses portions of the original footage married to an entirely new plot.
  2: The revised version of the film uses only 11 minutes and 7 seconds of the footage from the original The Game of Death.
• Dialogue different (To see: The Game of Death and Game of Death on wikiquote
• Cast different (add Chiech Yuan and Hwang Ing Sik)
• This is Wikipedia SIMPLE not collage of movie different
• Which duplicate!? In addition to 11 minutes and 7 seconds without dialogue, what do these two films have in common?

Readers don't have to despair doing research. We are the ones who do research and facilitate reading with 1 page, not Bruce Lee in G.O.D: Shibōteki Yūgi, Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey, Bruce Lee: the Mand and the Legend, Game of Death Redux, The Story etc... 185.167.52.108 (talk) 12:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC) {{Help}} 185.167.52.108 (talk) 12:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm Griff, an experienced user here at Wikipedia. How can I help? Griff (talk) 12:20, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Merging...

Hello all, After it was three weeks overdue, I closed the RfD discussion as a keep. When you merge/regroup the information, please keep in mind:

• There seem to be different movies with the name, one of 1972, one of 1978 and one of the late 1990s/early 2000s.
• Bruce Lee (1940-1973) died in 1973. Physically exhausted, he collapsed on the set of the movie "Enter the Dragon". After some examinaions, he returned to supervise post-production of "The Game of Death" (the 1972 version). Later that day he took some medication against pain (they say it was a headache), He was rushed to a hospital, but the doctors were unable to revive him.

In other words: both the 1978 and the early-2000s version were done after his death. Up to those who know to re-arrange the articles/material we have...--Eptalon (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Link to the RFD--Eptalon (talk) 20:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

It looks like there's no 1972 movie... Eptalon (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much Eptalon for the Link RFD, but there aren't two versions post.

• There's a original version (1972) distributed with two documentaries in 2000 and Game of Death Redux in 2019 + the storyline of The Game of Death in 2000.
• Onether version in 1978 but also Others Game of Death movies.
• Game of Death (2010), film horror, etc...

They aren't two different movies. But they are two different worlds. Ok merging but is foundamental also a page indipendent: A list of the movie The Game of Death (1972) distributions (simple for the readers and neutral point of view) Thank 185.167.52.108 (talk) 13:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

A mirror of this category for readers 185.167.52.108 (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales (talk • changes • e-mail • blocks • protections • deletions • moves • right changes) Help me please!I would like to speak to someone who has read the discussions and pages well. I've seen the administrators change here every five minutes. I can't parrot every day. 185.167.52.108 (talk) 15:53, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm willing to merge this information to mirror enWP's version, is that the consensus that we're going for here? Griff (talk) 20:14, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

If you do not read all the comments and are looking for a single thought, it makes no sense to argue, it makes no sense to open the discussion. It is a contradiction to open a discussion without discussing and without reading all the comments. How can you merge without knowing the facts? (Eptalon: It looks like there's no 1972 movie... In other words Eptalon and the other administrators are very good administrators but you don't know the facts). In discussions one interacts with facts. You want a monologue instead. Excuseme, forgive my presumption but this is the truth. Thank 185.167.52.108 (talk) 20:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

{{Help}} 185.167.52.108 (talk) 20:50, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

To be clear, I am not looking to open a discussion. I am trying to determine what Eptalon's opinion is of what the community has decided to do, and then make that happen. I am also here responding to your help request, how can I help you? Griff (talk) 20:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Whatever your answer, in the meantime, thank you. Ultimately what I ask now is always the same thing. Should I repeat? Ok tonight I'll work to give you a little summary. In the meantime you can read the two discussions, the category and the pages. Talk to you later 185.167.52.108 (talk) 21:10, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

• 1 Game of Death (1978 movie):

The Game of Death is an incomplete Hong Kong martial arts film, filmed between August and October 1972, directed, written, produced by and starring Bruce Lee. During filming, of The Game of Death (1972), Bruce Lee stops filming because received an offer to star in Enter the Dragon. Lee died of cerebral edema before the film's release. After Lee's death, Enter the Dragon director Robert Clouse was enlisted to finish the film using two stand-ins; it was released in 1978 as Game of Death (and sequel Game of Death II in 1981) married to an entirely new plot. The revised version of the film uses only 11 minutes and 7 seconds of the footage from the original The Game of Death.Five years after his passing, excerpta from the film Lee had worked so feverishly on during the final months and hours of his Life, are edited into a film featuring Lee's title, The Game of Death. But the film bears no comparison to Lee's original multi-level vision. Without Lee's choreograghy notes, script-outline and motif the producers are uncertain what to do with the 100 minutes of footage they have in their possession. Moreover, they discovery that Lee was such a perfectionist that of the 100 minutes of footage they have in hand, two-thirds turn out to be outtakes and retakes, shot that Lee himself had discarded for sequences in the film that he felt were beneath his standard of quality. They deem only 11 minutes and 7 seconds of the footage ti be worthy of inclusion in their film. The rest, approximately 21 minutes worth, they discard. Intercutting actual footage of Lee into fight sequences involving lookalikes and even using cardboard cutouts of Lee's head, the end result Is viewed by many as an exploitive and grotesque joke played on the great artist's legacy. By now, even Lee's most zealous fans are beginning to believe that the original footage Is gone. And that It will never be possible to see the footage Lee shot in its entirety nor to ever learn what his original storyline for the film was.

• 2 The Game of Death (1972)
• 2A Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey (2000)

In the fall of 1994, during research conducted for a multi-volume book series based on Lee's surviving writings, Lee's original script and choreograghy writings for The Game of Death are recovered. The writings confirm what had long been suspected thath Lee had shot considerably more footage for The Game of Death than had been seen to date. Another unexpected surprise Is discovered among his choreography writings. His hand-written storyline, 12 pages in length and containing all scene breakdowns and select dialogue passages the original storyline stands in sharp contrast to the one presented in the film released under the same name. After the discovery of Lee's script notes a search to find the missing footage Is launched. It will last some six years, but then the miraculous happens. The original 35mm film footage Is located. After having been separated for over a quarter of a century Bruce Lee's original footage and script notes are finally reunited. Over the course of documentary Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey there is 1972 original footage (The Game of Death(1972)) The incomplete film (1972) is found within the documentary

• 2B Bruce Lee in G.O.D 死亡的遊戯

The same 1972 original footage is also included in another Japanese documentary Bruce Lee in G.O.D 死亡的遊戯

• 2C Game of Death Redux

The same 1972 original footage is also included in a film Game of Death Redux

• 2D The Story

Another unexpected surprise Is discovered among his choreography writings. His hand-written storyline, 12 pages in length and containing all scene breakdowns and select dialogue passages the original storyline stands in sharp contrast to Game of Death. The Storyline (the plot of The Game of Death) 1972 incomplete film is also and the missing part of Bruce Lee's The Game of Death, not played in 1972. Directed in South Korea by John Little, distributed as a special feature in DVD of the documentary Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey.

• 3 Others Game of Death movies
• 4 Game of Death (2010), Game of Death (2017), etc...In the future there may be more Game of Death and other copies of Bruce Lee's The Game of Death (1972)
• 2

The 1978 version uses portions of the original footage married to an entirely new plot. The revised version of the film uses only 11 minutes and 7 seconds of the footage from the original The Game of Death.

Dialogue different (To see: The Game of Death and Game of Death on wikiquote).

This is Wikipedia SIMPLE not collage of movies different.

Readers don't have to despair doing research. We are the ones who do research and facilitate reading.

The Game of Death is also a documentaries and film series but Game of Death is only 1 movie.

I would also discard the merge option because, for example, would you merge Rocky 1 + Rocky (franchise)?

In enwiki is a page complex (not simple) and incomplete.

Wikipedia:Neutral point of view: The Game of Death (1972) is one but different distributions. Version Warner Bros (documentary U.S.A.), Version ArtPort (documentary japanese), Version Golden Harvest (movie Game of Death Redux), ecc...:to see cityonfire.com and Quotes about The Game of Death on wikiquote. Only one page in wikitable guarantees a neutral point of view.

Merging = Delete. Because Merge Game of Death 78 (with wikidata Game of Death 78) + The Game of Death 72 (without Wikidata The Game of Death 72) = Game of Death 78 + information.............

2 titles, 2 cast, 2 plot, 2 productions, 2 distribution, 2 other wbsites 2 genres (1 film and 1 series unfinished...) etc...: Why insert a complex (mix) article in wikipedia simple???

Why hide the rumors? The reader searches for the original 1972 film and then chooses. But after. The convenience belongs to the reader.

If it were not clear, the purpose of this wikitable is to simply offer the reader who is looking for the unfinished film the MATRIX. Why discuss the version we like? Only Wikitable from The Game of Death to Wikitable. The Game of Death (documentaries and movies) and Others Game of Death movies are two different worlds. Ok merging but is foundamental also a page indipendent: A list of the movie The Game of Death (1972) distributions (simple for the readers and neutral point of view). A mirror of this category for readers. Does a reader looking for the original version of the unfinished film have the right to find the answer? Does the reader have the right to know the various distributions in an immediate and concise manner? One very simple thing: Just a table on an independent page similar to the category. List of the movie The Game of Death (1972) distributions. Why can't you? Please read before answering. Don't tease me. Please and Thank --185.167.52.108 (talk) 00:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

The 1978 version of the film is the most well-known and has the most coverage so we have a responsibility to present it completely within the parent article. However, 1978 film article is missing sources. Are you able to add some? I have no issue with the table, but the fact is, this article is full of OR. Most of the statements in the article are not based on the information given in the sources. Since you have worked on these articles, could you please provide sources as to the history of this film and the 1978 film so we can start cleaning this up? Thanks, Griff (talk) 03:41, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok but if I provide all the sources can I keep the page? (Only the table in The Game of Death). I help you in the sources and you help me keep that page, ok? 185.167.52.108 (talk) 10:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Griff I'm waiting for an answer, please 185.167.52.108 (talk) 12:53, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

You can ping them by pressing "@" if you want them to respond faster. MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 12:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks you very much but I prefer to wait 185.167.52.108 (talk) 13:17, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

I need the sources so we can figure out how to present the information appropriately. MrMe, thanks for the ping. Griff (talk) 19:22, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello everyone. No there's no 1972 movie; in 1972 there was material for about half the movie. Using doubles (etc) they put together something which they sold as "The Game of Death" in 1978 (and I think there was a sequel, in the early 1980s). Thats the closest you get to the "original cast & crew". In the 1990s/2000s, other movies were made, but as it was luike 20 years laters, it likely was the next generation of movie makers. I do not know the intricate details of Bruce Lee movies, but from what I gatherered from the RfD: There seemed to be people who thought that directly merging the 1970s/1980s movies to the later 2000s movies would be no good (as people were different, spirit is likely different, etc). RfD is there to determine whether an article should be deleted or kept; it is not the place to discuss content issues. As we have seen, we are not looking at a sipmle "take the content, put it into the other article, then create a redirect kind of work". What we likely need is a team of two or three editors working together, and consolidating. In the end, we'll likely have at least two articles, one covering the 1970s/1980s version, and one covering the 2000s version. Eptalon (talk) 20:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

@Griffinofwales: You did not answer my question

@Eptalon: I'm sorry but I see from your comment that you did not understand. I like your idea but you can't participate in this discussion if you don't know the facts. We will never understand each other and the outcome will be confusing pages, I can't always explain the same things to see answers from users who have doubts like you. First you have to understand the facts and then make a decision. How can you be doubtful of the facts and at the same time sure of the decisions to be made? The 1972 version exists and is the original version documented worldwide by Warner Bros. (U.S.A.): 1 documentary and 1 movie, ArtPort (Japan), The Criterion Collection (U.S.A.) with Golden Harvest (China). There are 2 movies and 2 documentaries for the original version (1972).What more do you want to ask for? Please read these pages carefully. We make a decision and then I work to find the sources. I cannot work day and night unnecessarily. First I want to be sure that my work will not be useless. Thank 185.167.52.108 (talk) 00:18, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

We are all volunteers and all of us have other projects to work on. I agree with Eptalon, this is going to take a major re-write. If you want to be helpful, find sources that we can use in the articles so that we can start the work. Otherwise, I'll probably trim this article all the way and then rebuild using source material and references from enWP. Frankly, the 1972 version does not deserve its own article per GNG, unless you can find "significant coverage" that shows it is notable. Griff (talk) 00:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok Thank you 185.167.52.108 (talk) 01:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I am looking for the sources 185.167.52.108 (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Dear IP, please create an account if you want to work here for longer, it makes communication easier. As ot the RfD: I closed it, with what I bleievewd to be the best option. As to content issues: I may, or may not know the hitory of Bruce Lee movies, but it is neither my task to do so, nor to perform the merge. Eptalon (talk) 00:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Ok Eptalon but can I keep only this table on this page? please?

Thank Totino9791 (talk) 14:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

• I created this page and I moved from The Game of Death to 'Game of Death Redux --Totino9791 (talk) 23:09, 22 October 2022 (UTC)