User talk:Osiris/October 2012

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Japanese calligraphy by Ernest Satow. The kanji read (from right to left) "敬和" (Kei-Wa), literally "Respect and harmony".

The username "Horeki" is now semi-retired. I formally set it aside in a manner which is consistent with Wikipedia policies.

What I have done -- and why -- was explained on my talk page in 2011 when I set aside the username "Tenmei". My reasoning was parsed in specific detail here.

The change history of User:Horeki here is consistent with that what I proposed to do at that time; and the limited change history of User:Ansei here is part of a continuing, long-term investment in our project. This is made visually clear in the similar graphic layout of the user pages and talk pages.

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A rakan reading at Kita-in, a Buddhist temple in Japan.

My username is derived from Ansei (安政), which was a Japanese era name (年号, nengō, lit. "year name") during the years from 1854 through 1860. The name was created to signal the beginning of a peaceful period, but it turned out to be a time of great change.

The nengō Ansei means "peaceful government" (庶民安政、然後君子安位矣).

A rakan whose hands are full at Kita-in, a Buddhist temple in Japan.

My username is derived from Hōreki (宝暦), which was a Japanese era name (年号, nengō, lit. "year name") during the years from 1751 through 1764. The new era was created to mark the death of the retired Emperor Sakuramachi and the death of the former Shogun Tokugawa Yoshimune.

The nengō Hōreki means "Valuable Calendar" or "Valuable Almanac". This time frame was created retroactively by Emperor Momozono in 1754.

A mudra ( मुद्रा ) and a gesture of remembering.

My username is derived from Tenmei (天明), which was a Japanese era name (年号, nengō, lit. "year name") during the years from 1781 through 1789. The new era marked the beginning of the reign of Emperor Kōkaku (光格天皇, Kōkaku-tennō) in 1781.

The nengō Tenmei means "Heavenly Radiance" or "dawn".

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Daruma in a public place

Like a chicken talking to a duck

Talking past each other is like a chicken talking to a duck (鸡同鸭讲 or 雞同鴨講). --Ansei (talk) 20:36, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

This username is semi-retired.

Daruma (達磨).

This username is semi-retired.

I underscore that the change of name to Ansei draws attention to the phrase "peaceful government". This signals of an on-going investment in a peaceful working environment. --Ansei (talk) 19:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


Hello, Osiris. You have new messages at yottie's talk page. --~~~~~
Responded just now. Took a few days off. Osiris (talk) 05:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

John Dewey article

What do you think of my edits to the John Dewey article? --RJR3333 (talk) 07:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

They look fine. Was there anything particular about them you wanted me to look at? Osiris (talk) 05:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
No. I wanted you to look at all of them. Because I got in conflict over my edits at regular English wikipedia, and Flyer22 managed to get me banned for the conflict,I don't want to retain any controversial edits so I want to ALWAYS have my edits reviewed, no matter how innocuous they are. --RJR3333 (talk) 07:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Telepathy article

Does putting Sigmund Freud's and his daughter Anna's experiments with trying to send each other telepathic communications in the the telepathy article make sense, or does that give the Freuds undue weight in the article? --RJR3333 (talk) 04:57, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Not really, it's only one sentence and you haven't added his theories or anything. It's fine. Osiris (talk) 02:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


Don't forget to use this to cleanup after those socks you just blocked.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


G'day Osiris, don't be hesitant about dealing strongly with cyberbullying whenever you see it. I usually give one warning only, and will then block for a short time eg., two hours. That usually seems to stop it pretty quickly. We do have a guideline on the subject, Wikipedia:Cyberbullying, and a couple of templates as well. It is probably the form of vandalism that really makes me angry. --Peterdownunder (talk) 10:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey Peter! Thanks for the tip, I'll try to make sure I'm quick to deal. I wasn't quite sure whether Hale was somebody's name or just nonsense. Osiris (talk) 10:59, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Who

I'm curious as to why, in this change, you removed the date 1983 from the three actors. The first 5 Doctors were all in the 1983 special-length episode The Five Doctors. While #1 was played by a separate actor (the original actor for the part had died years before), the other 4 where still there. Baker (#4) wasn't actually at the shooting so only un-aired footage of him from another episode was used, but he was still credited as the part. Davidson (#5) was still in the part for another year so this year is already reflected in his listing. That leaves #s 2, 3 and 4 to have 1983 added to their years as the Doctor as their specific incarnation. --Creol(talk) 09:38, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Hm... I think that was a mistake. I was meant to revert one of the edits, but looks like I reverted all of them. I'll restore them. Thanks for pointing that out. Osiris (talk) 09:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Can you work out what this sentence on David Morrisey is trying to say? [1] Osiris (talk) 09:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I think I've worked it out. He played a character who wasn't actually one of the doctors...? I've never seen any of the series. Osiris (talk) 09:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
In the 2008 Christmas special The Next Doctor, Morrisey identified himself as The Doctor at the start of the episode. Given the fact that the Xmas episode is a special episode between seasons, when they would be changing actors (Tennant #10 took over as the Doctor in the 2005 Xmas episode), and the title of the episode, it was possible/likely at first that it was true. As the episode progressed, it was quickly seen that things didn't match up and the illusion that this was a change in actors to #11 was dispelled. The Doctor (still Tennant) realized that Morrisey's character has suffered a terrible trauma (his wife had been killed by the Cybermen) causing a fugue state and when he found a malfunctioning device use to store information (in this case everything the Cybermen knew about the Doctor), that information was transferred into his mind making him believe he was the Doctor. Essentially, Morrisey acted as the Doctor to the best of that character's (Jackson Lake) ability for a human with the technological level of 1850s London. --Creol(talk) 20:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Interesting. That makes sense...ish. Though I guess I'd probably come up with something just as perplexing were I a screenwriter who was suddenly told, "No we're not switching actors anymore. Figure out a way to explain what just happened." Amnesia! Classic. Osiris (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Actually, the "anymore" part there isn't correct (though re-reading my post, I can see the confusion). Matt Smith (#11) replaced Tennant at the start of Season 5, starting with the 2009 Xmas-ish (2 part episode, 1 was on Xmas, 2 was on New Years, this occurred at the end of 2) episode. Smith is the current Doctor. It was just easier to reference the 2005 Tennant episode as Tennant was the current Doctor t the time of the episode in question. The problem likely comes from my comment "(still Tennant)" referring to the fact that it was still Tennant as #10 in that episode and that Morrisey's Doctor (wanna-be/ thought he was) was not who I was referencing when I said The Doctor. With the Doctor's multiple (re)incarnations and the wibbly-wobbly, timey-whimey effect (trying to explain the Doctor-River Song relationship is a bit more confusing as her meetings with him happened in reverse order in time from those of the the viewer and the Doctor - adding a third reference point for time in the series - The Doctor/episode reference point (jumping around in time) and the historical reference point (time flowing in a straight line) being the other two). The Doctor met River in her final moments (from her view) and each later episode was later in time for him, but earlier in time for her... ) All this makes extra references and explanations a bit tricky but needed and care has to be made not to complicate things further (which I seem to have done there). --Creol(talk) 21:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I get you now. It sounds very cerebral. Which is good (not a fan of most of the mind-numbing dross on TV these days). Plus Morrissey is an awesome actor. Osiris (talk) 21:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Re Chitrali

Dear User:Osiris hello. Sorry to be a bother you must be sick of Chitral/Chitralis by now! But a query please--maybe you might be able to help/elucidate me? I believe you changed/added a stub on Chitrali to the 'Category:Ethnic groups in Pakistan' and its certainly present there. However. could you explain why it doesnt fall into any alphabetical category but hangs up there by itself, on top? Looks v out of place.ThanksHamneto (talk) 12:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)hamneto

When the category was added, a sort key was included. the line [[Category:Ethnic groups in Pakistan| ]] tells the software to not only put the page in Category:Ethnic groups in Pakistan but to sort it in that category using the title that is after the pipe character ( "|" ). In this case, after the pipe is a space so it sorts the page as if its name was a space. This causes the page to be listed in a group at the top of the category (space comes before capital letters when sorted alphabetically) but unlike other sort keys, the space does not show up as a header (normally a letter). Its a space, it isn't seen like a letter or other character would be. Pmlineditor changed the sort key to "C" so it would be sorted under the Cs but I took it one step further and removed the sort key entirely. If no sort key is used, the page name is used to sort the page. Using the letter C as the sort key would sort it under the Cs, but would not let it be sorted alphabetically in the Cs (Chitraki would be listed before Cheema because |C comes before |Cheema). --Creol(talk) 16:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Dear User:Osiris and User:Creol thanks, seems to be ok now. Hamneto (talk) 02:26, 27 October 2012 (UTC)hamneto

Protect my user page

Can you protect my user page indefinitely? To be like (‎[edit=autoconfirmed] (indefinite) ‎[move=autoconfirmed] (indefinite))). Greeting! --Kolega2357 (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

  Done. Osiris (talk) 21:41, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Greeting! --Kolega2357 (talk) 21:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Christianity in Pakistan

Hello dear User:Osiris, I see that you previously deleted this article in June 2012--is it ok if I start a stub on it again? Could you please also indicate in detail what was the problem with the previous (deleted) article, so I can try to improve on it? ThanksHamneto (talk) 23:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)Hamneto

Hi Hamneto. Yep, I saw your new version earlier today and it looks fine. The problem with the last one was that it was copied directly from the introduction of the English version, without any translation/simplification. There is an anonymous user who comes online every now and then and just copies and pastes content from other Wikipedias, and this article happened to be one of them. Osiris (talk) 23:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, wait your new articles I saw were about diocese and churches. Sorry. I see what you've written now though and it looks good.   Osiris (talk) 00:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

ASCII revert

Hello, I do not understand your revert on ASCII. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 12:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I've undone, but most of your edits are using very complex language --- please try to write in simple English. Osiris (talk) 23:54, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

RE Talk:Selena

I have replied to all comments and points on the talk page. Thanks for the review! Best, Jonatalk to me 16:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Microeconomics article

Hello sir. Is there anything wrong with the fact that I used a textbook for a citation in microeconomics or is that OK? --RJR3333 (talk) 07:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Nothing with that at all. Looks pretty reliable from a quick search. Good to see you're still editing. Keep up the good work. Osiris (talk) 07:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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