User talk:Phaedriel/Archive02

EndoExo/Kimberly Ashton

Here I removed a talk page thread started by Lizix, who was blocked for being a sockpuppet of EndoExo/KA. Feel free to revert me. Sean William

I'm still active on en.wiki, and will be for a while. (I have no plans of leaving.) As for here, I feel I'm better off watching from the sidelines. We've got all of the trolls and stalkers that en.wiki has, but we've got 1/250 of the manpower to deal with it, and precious few who can recognize the patterns of ne'er-do-wells from en.wiki before their editing gets out of hand. I'm keeping a close eye on this place, and I'll intervene when I've got something to say. Sean William 23:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

re:Haiku time

Hello, Phaedriel! Haiku, indeed. :) I've been meaning to create haiku for a while, but delayed too long. I'm hoping to fill in more red links soon. It's nice to meet someone else who likes haiku! See you later, --Isis§^(talk) 00:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Bentō

This redirect was from Bentō to Bentō. I changed to to Bentō to -> Bento was that what you meant?

---barliner--talk--contribs- 10:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Archiving proposed very good articles

Phaedriel, when removing proposed VG articles, please be sure to archive them here as well. Thank you! · Tygartl1^·talk· 16:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I certainly don't feel you need my permission to edit a page simply because I started it. That's what wikis are all about and I think it's great if you think you can help prepare it for nomination. Go for it! :-) · Tygartl1^·talk· 19:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Your comments about the very good article system

Hello, Phaedriel. Thanks for your input on very good articles. In my opinion, you have raised some valid points. Of the Requirements for very good articles, I only see the actual list of currently 10 criteria (listed as Requirements for very good articles) as the actual guideline. The other sections are easier to change.

1. Regarding your item 1: I fully agree with you there. The article looks better when the citation templates are used. Isis however rightfully commented (on the guideline talk page), that the requirements are hard to meet already. They should not be made harder. Personally, I can see that this goal is also reachable without changing the guideline. I would therefore opt to not change the guideline for this.
2. The guideline speaks about adding the template (vgood) when the article meets the requirements and has been voted on. I think this leaves enough room for discussion as to where the template is put, and what the template should look like. German Wikipedia has a solution where they place what I assume to be the template at the bottom of the article. This would interfere less with reading. However, the community should agree on a place where to put the template.
3. What you list are mainly comments as to how things are done. As such they are not part of the guideline, and (relatively) easy to change, in the normal talking each other to death process.
   • The basic idea of the pvgood tag was to make articles visible that need a little more to become very good articles. Currently, the oldest article sitting there is from mid June. This is almost two months. We certainly need to look at ways to speed up the process.
   • When I laid out the guideline, I felt that a separate space was necessary, to separate the requests (Improving an article to very good status is different from fact-checking an article, or extending an article to include other views.
4. The idea behind item 3 (several revisions, possibly by different editors) is to say that articles evolve over time. A very good article is one that evolved, not one that was written from scratch. The possibly by other editors tries to point out that an article that has been proofread and corrected (by someone else) is very often better than an article that did not go through this. As you point out, this is covered quite well by our current reviewing process. You also talk about the expertise and knowledge which is sometimes required for editing. At the moment, this might be a bit of a problem, and the interwiki link might need to be used to get another language version to check against. When the community grows, this will be less of a problem I hope.

You say you are a relative newcomer to this project. In this there is our big chance, we get a review from outside. :) - And rest assured, In my humble opinion, all your points are valid. Don't be afraid to ask if something is unclear, I (usually) do not bite. ;) --Eptalon 20:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I have added a little something to the Criteria talk page. Just wanted to let you know. --Eptalon 11:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Diacritics

I understand your point, but I feel that diacritics are necessary and can do no harm. All they can do is show the proper pronunciation. Without the diacritics, Hanoi, for example, could be pronounced some 1512 ways. Simply by showing the proper spacing between syllables, this can be reduced to 108 ways. The diacritics then eliminate all ambiguity. One irritating example of this confusion is when the letter 'Đ,đ' is changed to 'D,d' in English writing and one can not tell if it is pronounced as an English 'd' or as an English 'z/y'. Though it is not common in existing English writings, I think that names should be represented in their native language rather than as a corrupted foreign approximation. If you really want to revert my changes, I don't like it but I don't think I'll try to stop it. Do you think you can settle for diacritics? Thank you for explaining your concern before taking action. -Ionius Mundus 21:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I will follow the convention you mentioned from now on, though I strongly disagree with it. -Ionius Mundus 22:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, actually, I do advocate calling China 'Zhōngguó', etc. The only reason I don't do that is that, unfortunately, almost nobody would have a clue what it means. But any English-speaker can tell what 'Việt Nam' means. Therefore, I don't consider the nativized spelling to be a problem at all. Furthermore, where the corrupt Anglicized form can obviously be derived, it is my convention to spell names in the nativized way, such as 'Afrika' and 'Kongo-Kinshasa'. -Ionius Mundus 23:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Weekend

Have a very nice weekend too, dear Phaedriel --Eptalon 15:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thank you!

You're welcome, and thank you for warning him :). FrancoGG ^{( talk )} 19:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Phaedriel, I didn't know you edited here! It's nice to see a familiar face. I was wondering, how do Wikiprojects work around here? Also, how is your break going? Are you feeling less exhausted? Please, tell me if you need any help. Love, Neranei 22:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Diacritics again

What do you mean "overreacting"? -Ionius Mundus 02:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, quite clearly, they disagree with my arguement and downright refuse to accept it. Therefore, I am going to balance out things by doing to French pages what they do to the Việtnamese. They make it a law that Việtnamese double diacritics are illegal, but they are selective and allow certain diacritics. They say "Ngo Dình Diem" is okay, but not 'Ngô Đình Diệm', which is the correct spelling. Furthermore, "Ngo Dình Diem" could mislead people into thinking that that is the actual Việtnamese spelling. That would make the name pronounced as /ngaw zing ziem/ rather than the proper /ngo ding ziem/. They say that diacritics are not actually part of the English language, but 'Hồ Chí Minh' isn't part of the English language either. I am not at all confident that what I have to say is going to be accepted, so this is what I will do. -Ionius Mundus 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I have already attempted to convince those who disagree. They still disagree. Therefore I don't think it is worth trying ten more times. -Ionius Mundus 03:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Disagreeing with other editors is a perfectly acceptable position, but disrupting Wikipedia to argue your position is not. Sean William 03:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Subtropical cyclone

Actually since I had already finished with most of the article, the only thing left seems to be getting peer reviews, final touchings, and a bit polishing. Then its ready to get a VGA tag. But I've also noticed that changing several complex English words into simpler sentences can somewhat disort the true meaning of the article compared to en wiki (for example). Anyhow, thanks for your review. Cheers, --§ Snake311 _{(T + C)} 03:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I think I'll get back to work (maybe tommorow). And also, not to be a nag but could you help me improve another article I'm working on Neptune (planet), cause like this article, I added in most of the info and tried my best on simplifying although a helping hand could help, especially on filling in several red links. (Actually I'm just repeating myself on what I posted at Wikipedia:Peer review. Happy editing;) --§ Snake311 _{(T + C)} 03:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I filled most of the remaining red links left in the article, and just to let you know, I've also found out that the term wind pattern you added in as a internal link dosen't exist because the en wiki dosen't have one either, see here. Anyhow, thanx for helping me on the article. Good night (its 10 o'clock as of where I live). --§ Snake311 _{(T + C)} 04:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Smiley anatomy

Thanks for your kind words, Phaedriel (or Sharon K.?). Here is a virtual blushing smiley face to help you to imagine my reaction to them.

::)

Apologies for the lack of a more successful pair of blushing cheeks, but my keyboard has the mere basics when it comes to the anatomy of smiley faces. I also hope you know that since you've come here, lots has changed for the better. Because of your interventions, we should get more VG articles faster and a symmetrical main page! And your continuous support to all of us helps us get past the hard times. Anything that I can do to help you should only come naturally.
Gwib^-(talk)- 11:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikilinks to wiktionary

Hi, I see that you have done a lot of work on Geisha, which is coming along quite nicely. I noticed the wikilinks to wiktionary lead to the English one. Perhaps they should be directed to the ones in Simple Wiktionary, since one may not understand the more wordy definitions written in English wikt. An example, linking luxury to simple wikt would be [[wikt:luxury|luxury]]. Thought I should let you know. :) RaNdOm26 13:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Adminship

I would like to nomiate you for adminship. Based on my opinons I think you could qualify as a sysop at simplewiki. --§ Snake311 _{(T + C)} 22:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd support that :) - Alison 00:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Few weeks ago (when I hadn't had a look into the list of sysops for some time) I was under the impression that Phaedriel is already a sysop! I support this idea as well, if she likes to become one. - Huji ^reply 11:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Friends, I'm truly surprised, and very honored that you all say so. That's so kind of you all! :) Thank you so much - you've really made my day ;) I'd love to help out in admin chores, but I think it may be too soon for me to apply yet. We all know our community's standards usually require a little more time, and some more edits than I currently have; and even tho I have experience at EnWP, out of respect for our Simple English community, I'd like to comply with these requirements before asking for the admin bit here. Maybe I'll be ready in 3 weeks, with a bigger number of edits (and hopefully, a couple of Very Good articles! :) I'm very, very happy and grateful to all of you; but let's be patient; there's no hurry :) Love you all, Phaedriel - 11:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm not sure about others, but I didn't mean that I'm going to immediately nominate for adminship! If you think we should wait a little, then I think we will do so. And if you think you'd better focus on making very good articles at the moment, I appreciate that, frankly. :) Good luck - Huji ^reply 13:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Nomination has been made. Looking at these comments, I would not be surprised if multiple co-nominators popped up.. You make a strong candidate, and we would be hard pressed to do better. -- Creol(talk) 09:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Userpage Design

I know you may be a little swamped with userpage design requests (I checked out on your En Wiki page) but my page is looking a little empty (I just removed my picture) and I was wondering if you would mind terribly designing something simple or nice to spruce it up a bit.
If it helps, my favorite colour is navy blue.
Look forward to hearing from you!
Gwib^-(talk)- 22:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the new design! It looks lovely!

For now, I'll just fix the red links on Fall of Man and maybe add some references, thank you for your help on it again! I know it's a pretty morbid subject, but it's very interesting to see how people think that we were "cast" out of Heaven. Good work on Geisha by the way, it's definatly worthy of the VG stamp on it, wether it may be a banner or a small star on the top corner.

Gwib^-(talk)- 10:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Just noticed the little star you put next to Jimi Hendrix. Thanks for that :).

Be sure to put stars next to your VG articles! You'll soon run out of space, I'm sure!

Gwib^-(talk)- 20:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Japan

Are you interested in Japan related stuff now? Panda Bear | Talk | Changes 17:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you'd like to learn the language. Here's a language course I discovered some time ago. It's called Unforgettable Languages. There's somthing unique about the course. Just click on the link and see. Panda Bear | Talk | Changes 17:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Why do you undo my edit to Thora Birch's page?--Gabriella 19:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh okay--Gabriella 19:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup

Thank you for correcting my mistakes (such as you did in Boar) and for contributing to the articles I just cleaned up. I appreciate it a lot,
Gwib^-(talk)- 12:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

More vandals

I was about to block that range (67.159.0.0/16) when I noticed he was now editing from 66.28.139.242. If he comes back I guess I'd have to block both ranges, but it seems he's gone now...

By the way, you'd make a good admin ;). FrancoGG ^{( talk )} 04:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

National Stock Exchange of India

Would it be ok to completly rewrite this article to make it look less like spam? Oysterguitarist 12:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll let you know if I need your help. Oysterguitarist 12:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hi!

Hello, Phaedriel! Thank you very much for your precious opinion! :) But, would you mind telling me why you think that the language I am using is complicated and not easily understandable by many foreign readers? I will try my best to improve it! Thank you!:) Newage2007 16:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh! I see! Your suggestion is really useful! I will follow it and simplify my articles soon! Thanks a lot! :) Newage2007 17:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC) Newage2007