Talk:Epping Ongar Railway

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Line runs between

I'm confused. The intro paragraph says "The line runs between Epping and Ongar" and "The line runs between Ongar and Coopersale." Which is it? EhJJ^TALK 03:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The 'Epping-Ongar' line runs between Epping and Ongar, however the Epping-Ongar RAILWAY - the preserved railway line now running there - goes from Ongar to Coopersale... does this make sense? Cheer, Goblin 16:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

PVGA comments

• In the infobox: Current services only extend as far as Coopersale Halt, although it is planned to eventually extend the line to a new station at Epping. - needs a reference.

   Fixed Goblin 01:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• mechanical semaphore signals - should be linked or changed.

   Fixed Goblin 01:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• On 30 September 1994, the line was closed the the public. - well, two times "the" is odd... but still sounds odd.

   Fixed Goblin 01:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• nuclear bunker and Doddinghurst should be linked.

   Fixed Goblin 01:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• anniversary - should be linked.

   Fixed Goblin 01:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• Between 22 January and 9 April 2006 the line was closed for [...] it was not possible to use the station buildings. - needs a reference.
•  Fixed Goblin 02:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!
• award - should be linked.

   Fixed Goblin 02:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• The line currently runs an hourly service every Sunday and Bank Holiday. - currently is not encyclopaedic.

   Fixed Goblin 01:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• The locomotives are currently not operational. - Again the currently.

   Fixed Goblin 01:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• The publisher is missing in some of the references.

  Which refs need the publisher adding? Goblin 01:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

  • 1, 6 and 16. --Barras ^talk 15:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

   Done Goblin 18:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!

I think that's it for now. Good work at all. --Barras ^talk 21:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

All  Done! Goblin 02:19, 3 January 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

TRM's comments

• Lead is a little short. Ideally it summarises the whole article. I'd like to see at least two paras this size.
• "final section" - could we use "last" instead of "final"? No big deal.
  •  Fixed
• "branch line" in the lead isn't simple or linked.
  •  Fixed
• Is "intermediate" simple enough to not be linked?
  •  Fixed
• Our US/European mates may not know what a Bank Holiday is.
  •  Fixed
• Coopersale or Coopersale Halt? And isn't it worth a link?
  •  Fixed (linked to the latter)
• "who maintain the line" not totally simple.
  •  Fixed
• Infobox, I think we may need to link things like "locale", "standard gauge" etc.
  •  Fixed Goblin 14:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!
• Why exactly don't we know the length (i.e. explain the (?))...
  •  Fixed
• Link electric.
  •  Fixed
• Not simple when you say "lightly electrify"
  •  Fixed
• I would relink Central Line in the main article, as you've relinked a few other terms.
  •  Fixed
• ". New development had been restricted" not 100% simple.
  •  Fixed
• "independent politician" could use a couple of links.
  •  Fixed
• "On Sunday, 9 October 2005, the line celebrated its one year anniversary. A large number of people visited on this day." don't need the day, and it's unreferenced.
  •  Fixed
• Last two paras of "Purchasing..." section are unreferenced.
  •  Fixed
• "The little-used Blake Hall station, rumoured to enjoy just six customers a day in its last days, was closed in 1981 and converted into a private residence." needs reference.
  •  Fixed
• Link Finnish to Finland.
  •  Fixed
• Link vandal.
  •  Fixed
• Don't mix date formats in the references section.
  •  Fixed

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments

I did not find anything major, but I did find some little things that should be fixed.

• Measurements like ft, in, and mm, should be linked.

• Not sure if this is necessary? Standardised to the same style as Blackpool tramway and Crich Tramway Village though, which don't have them linked. Goblin 14:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• You can leave them be, so they are consistent with the other articles. I just thought it might be best to link them, for many Simple English readers might not know what they mean. Megan|^talk_changes 13:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Okie. Both of those will be getting fairly big re-writes soon as it is (And the associated VGA-review), so I will leave as be for now and then see what happens when I make the re-writes. Thanks! Goblin 14:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Should remove "London Underground Central Line" from the "See also" section, as it is already linked in the lead of the article

•  Fixed Goblin 14:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• Date formats are mixed in the references

• Which ones in particular? I think it might be the templates too... Goblin 14:42, 28 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!

• Refs 10, 13, and 14 have mixed date formats. Megan|^talk_changes 13:23, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Great stuff, i'll take a look now. Goblin 14:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

•  Fixed Goblin 16:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• Should be consistent when using page numbers in the refs (like in ref 3, it says 281, while in ref 4, it says p. 281)

•  Fixed Goblin 14:38, 28 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• The other websites should probably use the {{cite web}} template

•  Fixed Goblin 14:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• Hmm, really? It still uses bare links. Pmlineditor ∞ 11:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

• Oopsie, thought I had, but i'd only cut out the non-relevant ones. Faily. Goblin 11:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

•  Fixed Goblin 16:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

Megan|^talk_changes 21:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

More

• Great Eastern Railway is linked twice. Should be linked only once.

•  Fixed Goblin 19:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• Same with London Underground Central Line (or Central Line, as it is sometimes linked in the article), Epping (or Epping Station), Ongar, North Weald, Class 117, diesel multiple unit, Coopersale, and passing loop.

•  Fixed - those that are still linked are linked in line with other articles, or link to different articles but with the same name 'showing'. Goblin 19:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• The second image says "Blake Hall Station." The period should be removed because it is not a complete sentence.

•  Fixed Goblin 13:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Yottie!

I think that's it. Megan|^talk_changes 17:27, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for those, i'll get to them now! Goblin 19:52, 29 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

A couple more I just found...

• First paragraph in the section "Early workings" does not have any references. One or two should probably be added.
• Same thing with the second paragraph in the section "Purchase and reopening".

Okay, now I think that's it. Megan|^talk_changes 13:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Both fixed. Goblin 14:15, 30 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

Some more problems

I haven't reviewed the contents of the article, but I found a few problems after a quick check:

• Ref 18 is dead
• Ref 20 is dead
• Ref 11 is dead

Fix these and I'll move on to the content. Pmlineditor ∞ 15:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Done - must have come down since I started originally writing it... Goblin 16:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Meganmccarty!

• Ref 16 is also dead. The content looks good after a quick check, but I'll come back to it. Pmlineditor ∞ 16:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Though it wasn't /that/ broken, the reference is on that page, just not explicitly pointing to it... Goblin 16:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• Link volunteers

   Done Goblin 16:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• Link justified

   Done Goblin 16:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• Link terminate

   Done Goblin 16:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• Link platform

   Not done People will know what a platform is. Also, Victoria line which uses the term a lot has no links to it - same subject field. If you are looking at the Victoria line, EOR or any other railed transport article - SE or otherwise - you will know what a platform is.

• Link southbound

   Not done It's fairly obvious, and there's others with no links. If you are looking at the subject, you'll know what it means.

• I see very few links to the page; only 3 of them. Note that the article Death of Tina Watson which is tagged with {{orphan}} has the same number of links to it. Since enwiki has several articles linking to this one, I would like to see the number of mainspace links increasing.

  They'll come with time - i'm not creating stub articles for the sake of linking to it, as I create more London Transport/Railway articles they will come. Being orphaned won't stop it from being a VGA as it's not a criterion. Crich Tramway Village, Blackpool tramway and Victoria line are all fairly orphaned except for relevant things that link to them, or from pages in navboxes created for the silly red link rule - you'll note that i've commented the nav box that would take it out of orphaned out. Goblin 16:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

This is all I can find now. Cheers, Pmlineditor ∞ 16:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me now. Pmlineditor ∞ 16:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Just one thing: isn't 8-car eight-car? I thought numbers only bigger than ten should be in numerals. --Classicalina|^talk_tea 09:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Normally I would agree with you, however in this instance '8-car' is official terminology and is as used in the industry, so it would be incorrect & inaccurate to spell it out in words. Thanks, Goblin 10:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

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