Talk:Jesus

The Prodigal Son

The King James Bible says "He fain would fill his belly with the husks the sows did eat". The word "fain" means that he "longed to" but presumably the food that the pigs were eating was not edible for humans. Amandajm (talk) 15:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Automatic archival

Since there seems to be a lot of discussion ongoing, I added an automatic archival. Current settings are:

• 180days timeout
• 55k archive size.

The bot is the same as used for Simple talk. --Eptalon (talk) 21:59, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory

This section was removed as it is not cited in any way:

Others have claimed that Jesus was really married to his follower, Mary Magdalene and that the Early Church leaders deliberately hid this information because it did not fit with the way that they wanted Jesus to be remembered. When a group of people deliberately hide information it is called a "conspiracy". One reason for this "conspiracy theory" is that there are a number of Early Christian writings which are different from the four Gospels of the New Testament. These include a "Gospel of Thomas", a "Gospel of Philip" and stories about Jesus as a child. These writings are all later than the four Biblical Gospels. The Gospel of Philip, which is a book of teachings from the 3rd century, talks about Mary Magdalene in a way that has sometimes been thought to mean that she was his wife. Most modern scholars of the Bible do not support this theory. They say that these early writings never say clearly that Jesus was married. Scholars say that although it was usual for men to be married (as it is today), many religious leaders and teachers ("Rabbi") were not married (like Catholic priests of today).

Does anyone want to check for references for any of this? Peterdownunder (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

En has some pretty extensive articles about that: Gospel of Thomas and Gospel of Philip. PrincessofLlyr ^talk 23:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I've definitely heard the Gospel of Thomas talked about in the news, so I'd guess a mention of it belongs here. I don't know anything about the Gospel of Philip, but I think an attempt to cite these sources would have been preferable to deletion. Kansan (talk) 23:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

• Gospel of Thomas is a book with little narrative and is mainly sayings, and is heavily dependent on the Gospels. It's not rearly relevant to the Mary M. issue.
• Gospel of Philip appears to date from 150-300 AD. Philip is not the author. It is called by that name because he is the only disciple mentioned by name. It was discovered in Egypt in 1945.

In the Gospel of Philip, it says that Jesus had three females who were close to him, and they were all called Mary: Mary his Mother, Mary who was her (or his) sister, and his "companion" Mary Magdalene. (The word has several interpretations from close friend to "partner".)

Mary M. is mentioned again in a passage that say that (....?) often kissed her on (.........?) The disciples then question Jesus as to why he seems to love her more than them and he indicates by parable that she sees the "light" more clearly, and that they are still blind (to the truths that he tells tham which are the main subject of the book).

This Gospel is dismissed by Ian Wilson (Jesus: The Evidence, 2000 p.88) who argues that it "has no special claim to an early date, and seems to be merely a Mills and Boon-style fantasy of a type not uncommon among Christian apocryphal literature of the third and fourth centuries."

I think that some mention of the conspiracy theory could be returned to the article.

Amandajm (talk) 09:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

When we move the section back can we formulate it in such a way that it can be sourced (other than with the two gospels)?--Eptalon (talk) 10:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Jews handed Jesus over to the Romans

In the Jewish beliefs section it says: "It was because of the claims that Jesus was the "Son of God" that some of the Jewish leaders wanted him killed and they handed him to the Roman rulers." I pretty sure that the Jews DIDNT hand Jesus over. That that was just a myth created by people who dont like Jews. I'm not 100% sure about this, so I left it in there. But would somebody check this out?

Actually, this is not a myth and a fairly common belief. I know for one that it is stated in the Bible, although I don't know any historical references off the top of my head. At the very least, it is not just made up by people who dislike Jews. PrincessofLlyr ^talk 21:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Page takes bible as fact

The page generally speaks about Jesus Christ as if he was proven to be real, but we don't know that yet. I am going to edit the page to include some more words explaining how it was based on the bible.

Hardly anything outside mathematics can be "proven". Can you prove to me that you could talk in more than 2-word sentences before you were 3? Still, most historians do accept that he was likely a real person not just a myth. If there are sources that say historians agree that he was a Jew, for example, and no sources that say historians do not accept that he was a Jew, that is enough to merit saying here "most historians agree that he was a Jew"--JimWae (talk) 00:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

The complaint is valid. RSs treat Jesus as a historical figure. This page treats him as a Bible character. RSs provide historical interpretation, not Gospel summaries. Jonathan Tweet (talk) 05:08, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Biography of Living People warning when editing.

Do we really need a BLP warning when editing this article? As far as I'm aware, Jesus is no longer alive. If anyone can prove otherwise, feel free to contact me :) DaneGeld (talk) 20:10, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

DaneGeld I do realize this is a very late reply. However He (Jesus) is still alive in accordance with the teachings of the Bible and some churches. Thus, the need for a 'BLP' notice. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 01:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I see... Maybe we should try and get a CC photograph of him so that we can go with more than a picture, huh? Any person who's still alive 2000 years + after their birth deserves at least to be recognised... DaneGeld (talk) 17:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

How could Jesus be a Muslim?

This article says that the Qu'ran claims that Jesus was a Muslim. How can this be so, when Jesus lived six centuries before the Islamic faith came into being? Should the article say that the Qu'ran claims that Jesus was a prophet?Vorbee (talk) 14:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

They consider a Muslim to be anybody who submits to the will of God, so in their view, there were Muslims before Muhammad. 2601:640:4000:3170:9939:F598:862:B367 (talk) 03:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Humility of Jesus towards the religion of others

The original text "Jesus taught . . to be humble about one's religion" seems not quite right. Jesus told the Samaritan women "you know not what you worship", salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22. Jesus had hard words for the Pharisees who were hypocrites, that is, they didn't live up to what they taught (a failure of morality). "Religion" is a set of beliefs, (so says Simple Wikipedia), and Jesus quite often criticized the religious teachings of others. Luke 20:38. He was not humble about that. What he warned us about was seeing the speck in another's eye while having a beam in our own eye. It seems this is more about morals than religion. Yes, the two overlap, but are not the same. Suggestions welcome. Jonahson (talk) 17:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

please also keep in mind that any text of the bible that you read has been copied several times; it has also been translated. With copying come errors, with translation comes interpretation. Eptalon (talk) 18:25, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

A useful source is Burton L. Mack, Who Wrote the New Testament? Harper/Collins.

Suggest removing the birth and death dates

The given dates of birth and death seem totally motivated by personal religious views, and can't be widely agreed upon, so they should be removed. 2601:644:9083:5730:444F:D7AC:7CD0:51ED (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

They're in the first sentence and the infobox. 2601:644:9083:5730:444F:D7AC:7CD0:51ED (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done - updated per EN, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 20:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)