User talk:Hafspajen/2014

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Good luck and happy changing! Mr Wiki Pro (talk) 17:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Help

Where is the Wikimakup on Simple English account? this {{}} and this [[ ]], the rest of it we use at English Wiki? {{helpme}}. --Hafspajen (talk) 05:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Hafspajen. Answered in section below. Removed your active 'helpme' tag. If you have other questions, please ask again. Anytime. Fylbecatulous talk 12:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Beautiful day to you

Pretty much, all the markup on English works the same here. Try this page to start: Help Formatting.

As you have found, adding images work the same. So do emoticons :

Common talk page templates work the same like (talk page stalker) and Y and  Fixed. But we don't have 'yellow tick'

We do not have quite as many in writing actual articles, but if you try one and you get a redlink template then it is not here: such as Template:Yellow tick .

Welcome and wishing you happy editing ツ Any more questions, please just ask. There are not as many active every day editors here as at English, but help is always just around the corner.

Please come to my page anytime. It is good to see you here. : ツ I usually show up everyday at some time. I am on the east coast of the US, so it is now ten (coffee and grits time) here now. Fylbecatulous talk 14:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

. Hm, and we don't have an article on grits.... Thanks, I try to figure this out. (OOps, that was a big smiley smile,...) .--Hafspajen (talk) 15:35, 12 August 2014 (UTC) --Hafspajen (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, I hate grits, so that article can wait. I am not that southern. I just say I am an accidental tourist here.

I experimented with your image files above by putting the brackets around them. They work but that makes them HUGE !! They just need the thumb markup, like you did for my wonderful image on my talk page and the two on your user page. Fylbecatulous talk 17:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Again, everything about markup is the same here, it is the same Wiki formatting. Fylbecatulous talk 17:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, at least it is not fufu. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fufu - Its taste somewhat resembles that of cardboard paper mixed with water - I say, rather. I am a big supporter of oatmeal - and love it with milk and jam on it. As the not so recognized gnostic ev by Thomas say: 'Jesus say: Don't do what you hate' - now that is a rather clever formulation of what one should avoid. It didn't made it into the Bible, but then it was hanging on straw - that John's didn't make it either - and it was not far that we would never could call him an evangelist - ... Where are the AUTOMATED WIKI MARKUPS THAT YOU JUST CLICK ON AND THEY - oops upper case- and they fly into the article?-Displays as underline in most browsers- it does on English Wiki but not here. Hafspajen (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC) File:Mending the Nets by Winslow Homer, 1881.png

Ah, the light dawneth. Now I understand. Are you talking about the row that says "insert" and has markup all the way through signature and refs at the bottom below the edit window? I don't use those but I now see that it is available on EnWiki. There is one you can set in your preferences here to give you a little row of boxes along the top, that are kinda pretty but aren't as many. They do bold, italics, sigs, ...

If you want the one that rows up along the bottom, ask at Wikipedia:Simple talk or on User:Auntof6's talk page. They are a real smart admin about this wiki. Talk to you later. Fylbecatulous talk 20:53, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Man, where do I push. I want to push a button instead of copying all the time [[ ]] - this - I am used to just pushing that sign and they are there. I don't even know where I find this sigh on my tangents. It is not among the symbols above... this is there | - but not the square brackets. Template:=(--Hafspajen (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

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Happy too

Vertumnus and Pomona, Paulus Moreelse, 1630

Well look at you. All beautifully decorated here today and hanging pictures in articles ツ

My Internet Service Provider was drowned out this morning becuase it rained absolute frogs here last night. I tried to get on with my mobile phone in the meantime. I now understand how frustrating it can be to not have all the features you are used to using. Only something the size of a mouse could edit with my smart phone. Fylbecatulous talk 13:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Like the one below?--Hafspajen (talk) 23:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

LOL. Exactly !! Fylbecatulous talk 23:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Very happy to see you both here!

This is how I always imagined Bunter @Sminthopsis84:

Nice to see you, Hafspajen and Fylbecatulous! (Sorry that the picture isn't up to your usual quality standard, but photos of me tend to be that way; cameras break so easily.) It has been rather lonely in some other wiki projects lately. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

IIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!! Hey, how did you find uss??

Remember this is a secret meating place!! Not a word of this owerthere - you know where. One doesn't want differen unvanted pieces of clothigs jumping around here... --Hafspajen (talk) 16:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I do check in here sometimes and keep a small watchlist, but actually by checking to see if you were still working in Swedish or other languages. Was worried. Was hoping you are okay. Sorry about the Swedish experience. Nope, I wouldn't breathe a word to any discarded undies or other clothing. I did suggest offline to someone else, a nice person whose signon ends with SD that they might like to look at Simple English. It's interesting here, but difficult to get used to how one has to write. Ooops! I just realized that the picture I thought was of me is actually a female monkey in oestrus, how embarrassing. I really should look in the mirror more often so I can recognize myself more accurately. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I thought you were more at the Hazel dormouse - sideish appearence... --Hafspajen (talk) 22:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Aha! Caught you. Thank you for the lovely spoonbills.
• Hafs, I have just snuck over to EnglishWiki and deleted from my user page my userbox linking me to my user page on Simple English. I switched it for another lolcat and left an edit summary in disguise. :)). I never talk about my work here on anyone's pages... No one will ever find you through me. I promise that. I am an excellent secret keeper. Like Sherlock and Watson... Fylbecatulous talk 23:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Very Sherlock Holmish... indeed. Miss Marple or Lord Peter Wimsey could have learn one or two things from you. But, by the way - seriously, we don't have articles over here about Lord Peter Wimsey -or -Lord Emsworth or Padre Pio or Winslow Homer - only Poirot? Deeeply shocked. --Hafspajen (talk) 23:45, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I love Lord Peter Wimsey. I have read all the books. My favourite is The Nine Tailors. I actually do write some articles here. What I do is bring a simplified version of the English Wiki article here. It is a bit tricky as Sminthopsis84 says above about getting it simple enough and giving attribution to the article on English. Maybe I will work on some of these. I am not really good a starting an article from thin air. This Wiki needs and invites good new articles; I think the fine arts as a group have been neglected. I shall make amends.  :)) Fylbecatulous talk 00:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I like those books too! Whose Body? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whose_Body%3F was my favourite. And yes, I imagine one just takes the <<Real English>> article and simplifies it. Have you seen the latest addition on EW

The Night-Blooming Cereus

Dachshunds, now more commonly known as wiener dogs, were originally much taller. When the dachshunds were first breaded they were closer to the height of most other dogs we see today. Then, something very tragic happened, a dachshund owner used his/her dachshund as a servant dog. They would put supplies on the back of the dachshund making the poor dog carry the supplies for them. As the dog grew older it's legs never grew though the rest of its body did. This caused a very awkward looking dog, short legs with a full size body. As the dog reproduced, its babies were tragically the same way. Now, several years later, we have, as many people think, really cool or cute looking dogs!

Of course Clue-bot reverted it - but I would like to know HOW did he exactly guessed ? --Hafspajen (talk) 02:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that is brilliant work by ClueBot NG. The new version with neural networks and such looks fantastic. I hope it wasn't something simple like seeing "When the dachshunds were first breaded" as a reference to cooking, i.e. coating in breadcrumbs, and that it was on a dog page. (I also hope that the text wasn't put in there by a student whose teacher gave them that story to teach evolution!) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 11:48, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

--Hafspajen (talk) 14:07, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is an amazing algorithm for ClueBot. I see if one turns in false positives a group of brilliant devlopers tinker with the bot to fine-tune its accuracy. Thank you belatedly, Sminthopsis84 for my welcome. I was at that moment distracted by going to enwiki to remove evidence of my residence here on Hafspajen's behalf. Fylbecatulous talk 13:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)|

Hafs, ironically, I noticed that certain someone showed up today (I suppose briefly) to haunt their usual playground. Fylbecatulous talk 13:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

The Lord may conduct him to the place he belongs. --Hafspajen (talk) 14:07, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

That is getting to be a big cactus, I can almost smell it. It's nice over here with fewer bots, perhaps even no bracketbot, I hope. Thank you for letting me welcome you, and please both feel free to delete what I write if the mood strikes you. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 19:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the cactus is not only blooming at night, it is decidedly growing. Perhaps Haf's turned up the heat after my last message . ツ Me, I can't even grow catnip... Fylbecatulous talk 21:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

It is actually quiet here except some lunatic vandalism, but not the intelligent kind like the cute dachshund example above. Whoever wrote that was actually creative. If I make a mistake, an admin will write a personal message to my talk instead of pasting a template, which is rather nice. All the best Fylbecatulous talk 21:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I have trouble growing catnip too, because it gets sat on by one of those animals whose outline looks like these letters stacked on top of one another: MOQ Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

You need to grow catnip beside your doghouse, said the old Greeks. What a new enervating day again, with new attacs at FP and stupid remarks about me as a "Talk page badge collector". Of course it was not directed to Phil, it was me who was targeted. Why am I bothering to keep in touch at all? It is just irritating me - and all that big pink patch on his page - - I have been HURT - don't give me WIKILOVE, I AM HURT... such a hypocrite bullshit - when it is HE who is the hurtfull one. Now MY wikilove messages stand there as an insult. --Hafspajen (talk) 00:41, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Something is wrong over there. If you like, I could go in and delete anything you wrote there, using edit summary "personal request made offline" (wonder if the deletion would be reverted). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 01:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, right - wrong it is. But then - YOU - will be the next target, and that is not something I want to live with. It was quite enought the way he was getting on because of Fylbecatulous voted on a nomination he decided it was good enought to vote for - he tried to compromise him, his judgment, his personality, experience and finally went on mocking him for various thing -just because he didn't do what he wanted him to do, - that was quite enough to witness. And of course it is going to be reverted. How otherwise can he prove that he was ill treated ... with Wikilove?

I had worked once with a man who was leading our garden projects, as to the practical details, Anders. Was an excellent leader - the kind of guy who hit the right kind of voice with everyone. And then it was this old monkey, who digged the wholes and watered and carried the fertilisators and dung- you know the guys who does the physical work ...

And he was working quite - ok - or at least he tried, even if he was very slow and tried to forget half of the things he had to do - but then he had to rapport everything to Anders he was doing hourly and daily so he couldn't really escape doing the things he had to do.

The weird thing was that this Anders, the leader, who was actually a nice man, he always went ballistic over this guy. Always he went calling him lazy bastard - well, half for fun - jokingly, but quite harsly too, he called him "you lazy peasant, move your as", shouted at him, commanded him to do things, almost that he kicked him for real sometimes- and he was a - a big guy, while the monkey was a little uggly dirty man - and that was kind of shocking and surprizing - yes, to see Anders doing this because he could be sweet, nice, even tempered and well breed and understanding with people who were in need or sad or helpless or so - and generally with everyone - else, except this one.

And this old monkey - he always had a tremendous respect for him, and was well, doing the things he was commanded to do - badly, slowly - but he did.

Anyway, our leader went in retirement - and now he is driving his motorbike and walks with his wife hand in hand on the beach and he is happy - but we are not. We got a new nice woman leader now, and she felt sorry for the poor missunderstood hardly treated worker and started giving him freedom, trust, cakes, lemonade, was deffending him and nurturing him emotionally - and in a year she made a complete MONSTER out of this guy.

He went from a poor hard working somewhat hardly treated - "I am so sad that the world treated me bad" - type of worker - to the most dangerous, intriguing, insupportable and completely worthless passive-agressive worker who simply won't do ANYTHING he was told to do. He just became more and more casual in working, then was starting to say he doesn't agree to do what he was supposed to do - for no reason at all - , and until he was simply just doing something completely else but that he was asked - or nothing at all, the whole day. He just became a different person. He started spreding rumors about our workers, went telling tings to people about to each other - making people to quarrel - he stopped weeding - so everything grow up to a jungle - stopped watering - everything went dry - several plants died - and that was his job! - stopped picking up the garbage ...ew, well - he was just not doing ANYTHING - any more he was supposed to do - let's not talk about the small things he should have done - binding up the flowers, deadheading the roses, removing the possible insect-attacks in time and such...

Arcángel arcabucero, c. 1680

That kind of thing never happened any more. He just went from being from a fairly - useful person under Anders hand to a completely usless worker - that nobody knew what to do with anymore - because he just ignored each and any order or task he was supposed to DO; you know, that is why we payed him... It was not that he did us a favour... When asked: Why didn't you did this or that? He just looked down on the floor saying that the weeds were supposed to grow there and they looked lovely - or that he can't see them - or other silly remarks -like he had other things to do or that he couldn't manage it to do that yet, because he had to much to do... Well, like - what?

Then he was told again and again what to do - this and that - and in a week - nothing was done - everything was the same as before. Why - we asked - OH; well, that is something to come - he said. Next week - same thing. He also started doing things for private people's gardens during working hours, for money - and he got caught. And now we had to get rid of him because he was so worthless that he just didn't earned his money any more. And also made the place into an inferno - that much for being nice to this kind of guys.

And, you see, the point was - that suddenly everybody understod what Anders was doing, - but then it was too late - he just developed to that unruly monster.. Anders who was fairly laid back with most people - but really kept this guy short and pushed him (the ape) down all he could - well, now we all knew there was a reason behind it. He just had the kind of seventh? sense with people - (like some people have with horses or dogs) - he just sensed somehow or knew that he has to act hars with this guy - in order to prevent him to became a jerk - and it worked nicely for five years.

Arcángel arcabucero, c. 1680

Nobody had a problem with him, the garden ape. But the next leader was - she was thinking not with the nose but with the ideas - that everybody has too be treated well, one has to have good fait, one has to be nice, one has to treat people nicely, equally, one has to have faith in people - well - IT SOUDS GOOD - and yes - and generaly it is quite so - applied on people who are mature, responsable and correct.

But there is a certain kind of personality that it doesn't work well for. The kind of guys like this old monkey - and well, some - and - this kind of people instead of appreciating the nice gestures - interpret it as a weekness - and go on trampling on you if you do so. And of course - he became in the end her worst enemy too, (our woman leeders, Christine's) and - all cakes and lemonades were forgotten - - she almost left because of this guy because he went on telling everybody she was doing a bad job - NO SHE WASN'T-and he will not go on working on the same place like her... because she was insupportable - she is NOT insupportable - she is nice (too nice maybe). Only God knows how many hours we were spending on this ape, trying to solve the problem ... days and hours we could used for doing much better things then discussing HIM.

Why telling this to you?

Because sometimes it is better to tell them to stop it at the first signs of unpleasantness - with this kind of people and keep them down - all the time - than tolerate it and hope it will go away - it will not - eh - like many people and admins did - for now.

Because there is a certain type of guys who will just get worse.... and that is what we have here. --Hafspajen (talk) 02:41, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry about me being driven out of editing over there. I've already given up on wiktionary because every editor I met there was a jerk. I'm mentally prepared to give up over there at some point, though it would be somewhat inconvenient because I do want to help to improve science education, and fixing that wiki would be a good way to do that. It would save me a lot of time to be driven out, which would be good! Yes, I've seen something like what you describe, someone who becomes really nasty towards the person that they have hurt, inverting everything, blaming the other person for what they themselves did. The trouble with wiki is that one just about never sees all of what another person sees; I think that's why the admins are often so ineffective, they just never see the whole picture. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

That is a nice harakiri -offer of you, but I don't wan't you to be driven out of editing over there. --Hafspajen (talk) 21:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

For you

Hafspagen, I am so sorry this is happening. There are no words. Please do not think about fretting for me, because I was always okay with what was said to me. I am only sad for you because you are hurting. I so so very much wish I could fix this for you. Fylbecatulous talk 05:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The alternative cat ...

Thanks for your care and your words... And it means a lot to me, your and Sminthopsis (and the others ) kind and loving support. It really does - more than I can tell... And - about this editor - well, it is probably meant to hurt, you know - that's the whole idea -I mean that it is that is why it is done - to hurt people. A kind of a perverse joy, I imagine. Oh, all these cute cats, Fylbecatulous!!! I do love them - It reminds me about my own cats - I had one black and white, one red with stripes and a red-brown-white-black and now I can't have cats any more - I got severly allergic on them. I guess I could maybe have the naked cat ( an other aticle missing!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphynx_cat) - but they are not exacly appealing... --Hafspajen (talk) 06:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I was involved a few years ago with finding a new home for one of those naked cats. She had been found in the forest, starving, and was identified by a veterinarian as a Siamese. Huge ears, blue eyes, knobbly legs and tail, almost zero fur, frantic behaviour that involved putting both front paws on people's faces (which scared some people). A woman who runs a specialist adoption agency for Siamese (and Chinese Crested dogs) put a description on her web site, and the responses were amazing, from all over the continent people wanted to adopt that cat, saying that she was (and this is an exact quote) "gorgeous". The story has a happy ending, she went to live with a family whose ideas about beauty are very different from mine. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Voilà! The Sphynx cat article has now been created on Simple in your honor, Hafs. You can now change your redlink to a bluelinked naked cat. We really do have a lack of cat breed articles here. Aw, it's so cool to find out that you really love cats. ツ It is too bad to have an allergy; my daughter does too. We had to give away all pets, cats, dogs, birds, feather pillows when she was young. Fylbecatulous talk 14:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The Rape of the Sabine Women, detail of a fresco in the Queen's Cabinet, Louvre

Well, it is sad - this allergy. Wonder why. Nice to hear that your cat got addotped and is safe and happy. I t was probably not that nice to give away the pets, thoug.. Now I make a try at Giovanni Francesco Romanelli ... How do you two think I did+ is it as it should be? --Hafspajen (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC).

• Holy smoke!! List of dog breeds . That is a red list. --Hafspajen (talk) 23:22, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm finding it quite hard to create new pages, because there's so little available to link to. It seems to be easier to add a sentence here and there, some links, and some redirects to what already exists. Perhaps we could just create stubs for each dog breed with a picture and not much else. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

How about American Cocker Spaniel, @Sminthopsis84:? that is just quite easy, steal everything from the EW... and make it easy... --Hafspajen (talk) 00:20, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Hafs! Thanks for the gorgeous Blacktabby Maine Coon on my page. She is so adorable, absolutely amazing. Fylbecatulous talk 00:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• I was considering bringing over from enwiki the Maine Coon article next, but that is one complicated article and 29,300 bytes of text! It took a while to trim Sphynx cat and simplify. I love the image of one actually taking a bath. Thank you for the addition.
• On your article Giovanni Francesco Romanelli, it looks great. Very readable for Simple English. We have been needing someone here who adds images. So many of our articles were just cold type. Nicely decorated. I do think for our readers who may struggle with reading English, having images adds so much to understanding and are enjoyable. You got no article tags by the editor who patrolled it, so quite well done. ツ . Fylbecatulous talk 00:41, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, thought you would like it! you and s/he are like made for each other... --Hafspajen (talk) 00:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014

Hello, Hafspajen/2014. It looks like "Giovanni Francesco Romanelli" was derived from the English Wikipedia or another version of Wikipedia. If that is indeed the case, please make sure you add some form of attribution, either in your change summary or on the article's talk page. This must be done, even for derivative works, or the article will be deleted in time. More instructions on how to do this are at Wikipedia:Transwiki attribution. I placed it there on the talk page for you this time. Thanks Rus793 (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

OK; I am kind of a new begginer HERE - (Not on English Wiki) . I have to learn how to do things. Thanks for pointing that out, Rus793. --Hafspajen (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

If you need any help or explanations regarding attribution, just ask. But you'll probably find it isn't at all difficult. Good luck with your editing here. Rus793 (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Weird categories

Anthony Abbot by Zurbaran at the age of 19, in 1618-19

File:Diana the Huntress - School of Fontainebleau, attributed to Luca Penni.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Blue_textiles_in_art

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Blue_clothing_in_art,_male

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Angels_with_string_instruments

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Angels_in_the_air

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_figures_on_clouds

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:17th-century_paintings_of_angels

https://br.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirdi_brezhonek_Diego_Vel%C3%A1zquez#E_Sevilla_.28betek_1622.29

And what exactly is THIs, File:Ambrogio Lorenzetti - The Effects of Good Government in the Countryside (detail) - WGA13497.jpg, The Effects of Good Government in the Countryside is hanging the people?? ? --Hafspajen (talk) 02:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Love that navigation template called "Navigation Male clothing in art by color", arranged alphabetically by English names. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

By the way - the article Pink has the kind of colours you weree looking for _ Sminthopsis84 --Hafspajen (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Someone probably could make a page that shows rose colours, but that other navigation template wasn't the way to do it. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

No, it wasn't, indeed. --Hafspajen (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• Okay, I have no idea what y'all are talking about here, but we do also have a thusly named article on Rose (color) that has hex symbols and such... Sminthopsis84 and Hafs, would that help? Fylbecatulous talk 18:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Sminthopsis had some problem with the pink colours at the rose articles. The colours were very - not useful at all, they were like five of them. I mean - not too useful describing the different colours of different roses... The Pink article has some of the deep purple colour scemes useful for roses, maybe it can be combined somehow? Are these pictures an explanation to the problem? --Hafspajen (talk) 19:13, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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  'Perla de Montserrat'
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  'Peace' - (I guess)
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  'Buff Beauty'
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  'Felicia'
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  History (Tantau 2002)
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  'Sugar Baby'
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  'Deborah'
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  ' Intrigue'
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  'Pleasure'
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  'Concertino'
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  'Papa Meilland'

The problem and temporary solution is explained here. I don't personally have a good idea of what colours are being achieved in modern roses, but I've heard that some people are keen on "brown" ones. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:03, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Is this a complete list? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Hall_of_Fame --Hafspajen (talk) 21:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, they meet every 3 years, due to do so again next year. I've wondered about that before; have now added in-line citations. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Looks like Coat found his way here, "constantly making bad changes"... --Hafspajen (talk) 22:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I thought it might have been a child. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Possibly. Or someone who is used deceive, and would need a psychiatrist. --Hafspajen (talk) 22:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Either way, quite an idiot. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

That is why he would need a psychiatrist. --Hafspajen (talk) 22:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User talk page warnings

More special characters?

Link label

Continuing discussion from the main talk page: this will require you to be very patient with me. I have managed to create a javascript file that does some of what you want with the wiki-markup, a proof-of-concept, almost! The problem is that I can't get the icons to work! I could substitute emoticons, they work! User:Sminthopsis84/common.js would need to be copied to your personal area. Then you would need to "clear the cache" (I always forget how to do that, so I just restart the browser; it's different in the different ones). When you go back in, there should be another item in the Advanced, Special characters, Help line, called "Extras", and when you pull that down, the tool bar says Chars, and then two broken icons. If you point at them, though, the first will say Template, and the second with say Link, and they insert respectively {{}} and [[]]. If that much works for you, it might be a start, and perhaps we can get the icons to work, and add more wiki-markup. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

HM, sounds promising. Where is my - personal area? --Hafspajen (talk) 22:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I meant to make a new page called User:Hafspajen/common.js and copy into it the contents of User:Sminthopsis84/common.js. (Slightly dangerous if some deranged duck or article of clothing has changed it since it was working for me, so perhaps check that first.) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, made the User:Hafspajen/common.js. What do I do now? --Hafspajen (talk) 23:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, well, the sad thing is that now in not working anywhere anymore. Not on onw wiki, the wikimarkups are just don't work. I think that before we try anything more this should be deleted. --Hafspajen (talk) 00:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Wait a minute, I forgot the purge case thing. Now at least it works on the other Wiki's again. Don't know where they are here...?--Hafspajen (talk) 00:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, glad you succeeded in clearing the cache. The .js file here in Simple shouldn't affect the other wikis, its full name has simple in it. Can you see "Extras" when you are editing here on Simple? It is black, not blue like "Advanced". Sminthopsis84 (talk) 01:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

YYYYYYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they look like nothin but look here... [[{{}}]][[]]{{[[]]}} right button does this - [[]] left button does this - YIPPPPPPYIIIIEEEEEEEE{{}}!!!!!!!!!!! --Hafspajen (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Caption text

So it's a step forward! Perhaps as I sleep tonight my brain will come up with an idea about what is wrong with those icons. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 01:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Nothing is wrong with them. They just don't have some kind of an icon attached to it, so it looks like i little red cross, both--Hafspajen (talk) 01:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, that's interesting. I get a little square with a question-mark inside. I think there must be a way to find the part of media-wiki code that would provide the whole wiki-markup menu, and perhaps copy it to the .js file, but I'm still quite clueless about media-wiki code. Wondering. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 11:56, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I think it is a rather good improvment already! --Hafspajen (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Things unexpectedly got enriched with all kinds of interesting tools too use. Was it you? --Hafspajen (talk) 03:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

No, that wasn't me! Were the changes all Twinkle options, which I see that you changed? If you want to remove those weird buttons I gave you, you could just blank User:Hafspajen/common.js. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

For the record (I don't think this is helpful unless someone who knows how these things work sees it): I found code for a much nicer set of buttons, but it is specific to the DE and EN wikipedias, and the person who wrote it doesn't seem to be around any more. I don't know how to re-write it for a user on this wiki. The code is here and the documentation is here. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

Grumpy

(As they say elsewhere) . No need to remove any images on my behalf. I like any you choose to place here, my talk or anywhere. I occasionally have to crash and sleep a bit. A bit under the weather here and there. No fretting, remember. Thanks for speaking up so well in the WikiLove discussion. It went a bit grumpy, I think. So hugs all around. Fylbecatulous talk 19:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Right now, I'm not sure that we can get WikiLove even if everyone here wanted it. The centralized translation of the messages that is required isn't normally set up for small projects. I'll keep trying to find out. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Grumpy

@Fylbecatulous:, English Cocker Spaniel, help... --Hafspajen (talk) 04:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Good morning ツ You rang? It looks like you have done a lot of work whilst I was sleeping. ツ I have added your language links to other Wikipedias that have this article...Are you using English Wiki or another language to get the text from? Do you wish me to do anything else? I am awake and having tea. Fylbecatulous talk 10:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

You did really good work in writing in Simple English. Nice. Fylbecatulous talk 10:41, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - I was a bit uncertain... Well, I did used the sources from the EW - but I put it together in a different way. Do I have to say - that? By the way - I am less sure about the American Cocker Spaniel- actually never even saw one. But English Cocker - that I am an expert on... I really don't know what is the difference, do you? -Hafspajen (talk) 14:04, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Now, this is really terible - I created Cairn Terrier too. But what can one do? No articles on half of the dog breeds over here. --Hafspajen (talk) 15:05, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Wow! Meanwhile I have created Boleskine House, just because it made me happy. (I am interested in some unique things..). ツ I simplified and wikified an earlier article of yours and removed a tag: Domenico Ghirlandaio. Cairn Terriors I know, I used to have two. It is the smae with the cat articles I am trying to write. They are all redlinks, but I personally have no knowledge on how they are as breeds. I just copy and simplify. My cat is a feral torti long haired of no breed. I think you are okay with not attributing the Englis Cocker article. Even the admins are unsure about all this at the moment. But I will do your attribution if you want me to. Just let me know. Your article is entirely different than English's. Fylbecatulous talk 15:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you and yes please! --Hafspajen (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I will right now. Also I removed your article stub tag for English Cocker. Here on Simple anything greater than about 1500 bytes is not considered a stub. Yours is well beyond that, with the images and even the text. Fylbecatulous talk 16:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

It is not easy to be Simple

Nice big cocker article! I put in a link but am not sure if it's the right one, does lose hair mean moult/shed? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

EH, yes - I supposed it meant in Simple E: or? --Hafspajen (talk) 16:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, moult will do quite well for shedding. The article even mentions dogs. I made a slight tinker to keep from redirecting from 'moult' to 'moulting'. Fylbecatulous talk 16:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Spotted or striped night=?

It is not easy to be Simple. --Hafspajen (talk) 16:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Now that comment needs an illustration! Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you, Romanelli, for my wonderful WikiLove. Yum ツ . I like the Italian you. Do you talk like Chico Marx? Fylbecatulous talk 18:35, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Like all the Marx brothers... How would you describe English Cocker Spaniel, white with small little dots? , last exemlpe-Hafspajen (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, you are right. The large black are patches. The small I would call "spots" (like the spotted dog: the dalmation) Fylbecatulous talk 19:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, our article calls the Dalmation image liver-spotted Fylbecatulous talk 19:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

OK; spotts then... ツ--Hafspajen (talk) 19:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• For Komondor, your nice "mop dog" article; do you want an attribution tag placed for English Wiki? I do not wish to presume, but will happily do it if needed. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 11:29, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I wrote that article almost entirely - ツ, so what do you say, @Fylbecatulous:? --Hafspajen (talk) 12:20, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I say, being your original work you do not need to give credit to any other Wikipedia. By the way, you are so excellent in other languages, you have the gift of being able to translate any Wiki's content to bring it here. Attribution would then go to that Wiki. I only know French, so occasionally I will snitch I a bit from their articles. (Not that you might want to: seeing as how "grumpy" the atmosphere is here...shhhh. I did not just say that ツ Fylbecatulous talk 13:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

SSss, Fylbecatulous. What do you wish that I should snach? --Hafspajen (talk) 13:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I have nothing in mind...(oops and sorry, and sorry by the way...) . . Fylbecatulous talk 14:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

What is wrong with a little feminine touch in dogs?

The OldGreeks had even less on when they left to take their dogs for walks...

No, no - no - not bad, @Fylbecatulous: - by the way, bo you know what "Mimpi-mimpi Yusuf" means in Indonesian? Sounds very intriguing... What shall I snatch? And what Puli. --Hafspajen (talk) 15:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for allowing me fish. Okay, not knowing your context, like where you are seeing this...here is a good broken English translation. Yusuf is Joseph. Pretty recognisable across languages. Mimpi-mimpi is similar to sueños, which means dreams. does this help? Fylbecatulous talk 15:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now I know! Joseph's dream! Of course. --Hafspajen (talk) 18:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Not the Puli with bows on, obviously. I mean, sheesh! Sminthopsis84 (talk) 16:39, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• WEll, sigh ... actually - we don't have many good pictures on Puli. Most pulis are black, so a white will not do as a lead. --Hafspajen (talk) 17:57, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realize that people dress like that to take their dogs for walks. What we need is a way for me to show you a photo that I took (of a grey Puli) so that you can see if it could be cleaned up or cropped sufficiently to be okay. It is a funny picture of the little dog in a too-big room. Not a brilliant photo, certainly, but perhaps an artistic eye could clean it up. I don't think I should upload it unless it meets a suitable standard. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, there is one good argument for it - we don't have pictures of gray Pulis. --Hafspajen (talk) 21:22, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay then, he's in the Puli category now. [1] Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, just found Ziggy - before on commons. How do you add pictures to categories? --Hafspajen (talk) 22:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

In commons in Preferences, menu "Gadgets", in the section called "Interface: Editing and uploads", there is "Old Edittools: For the text insertion tools below the edit box, use the old, simple style". It gives you "[[Category:]]" and other things (why did they remove it??). I've just added to Ziggy's description, to clarify that he isn't a black Puli who went grey as he got old. Poor Ziggy is gone now. He was a funny little character. Oh, it was has made a cropped version, [2]. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:16, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S.: I must remember to take my camera, next time I go to the dog park. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, is you can find some Old Greeks walking around... but might only find Old geeks ... I affraid nowadays. --Hafspajen (talk) 23:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I need to tell you something…

Was Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse trying to vandalize on your talk page? 2602:306:CC2E:EFB0:81A4:BBE1:D67D:EB2E (talk) 04:07, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

You can't catch a fly... --Hafspajen (talk) 04:57, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

When adding pages

No Frederic Leighton?

Nice Komondor, and I thought Puli's were impressive enough! Not sure if you are having this problem, but I thought you might be interested in some advice I just received about how to work on building a new page without page patrollers making edits at the same time. That is here. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

New

Knock Shrine ... (fest day 21 August (sic) And we forgot Raphael (archangel).

Puli and creating new articles

I am going to take a look at the Puli article today and also your American Cocker Spaniel.

I think what @Sminthopsis84: says about putting those in use templates up while you work on a new article is good advice. You just put one at the article top. I really encourage you do try this. It would drive me crazy to have someone changing my article until I had signed off and think it is like I want it. I do my creations all at one time in the edit window and don't save my page until I am sure it is how I want it. This is dangerous!!!, because I have accidentally deleted some while I was still writing!! I know you like to work best doing some at a time and making changes as you work. That is perfectly good to do.

So: If you save your first edit and say "not done, more to come" in your first edit summary, and then paste either Template:In use or Template:Under construction while you are still adding your content, you will be left alone until you take off the template. Rus793 was the one who suggested this for Sminthopsis84, so I believe they will let you work in peace. If I am around while you are creating and you wish my help or have a question, just ping me with a help. Otherwise I| will absolutely respect your templates, the same as anyone else should. Fylbecatulous talk 13:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

As I mentioned below, the best way to not have any interruptions or get your pages tagged by a patroller is to finish them in your sandbox first, then copy and paste into article space. It all but eliminates edit conflicts and presents a more or less finished product. This is exactly what a sandbox is for and any editor can easily have their own sandbox (in user namespace) to work on articles. I've been editing long articles in my sandbox for several years and still do. The really nice thing is that I can work on it as I have time. I have one in the works now, in fact. Rus793 (talk) 14:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Several comments from a co-editor and friend

• It is true that Hafspajen has many years experience on English Wikipedia; seven is correct. I disagree that he only knows how to write in essay form. He tends to write in a conversational style, as do I. I have been scolded here for not being concise in comments outside article space (such as articles for deletion). This comes easy to some and not others. Mine is due to a disabilty which will be impossible to overcome. I spend as much as six hours on an article trimming away before I submit. Hafspajen is new to writing in Simple English perhaps, but not to writing. {Knock Shrine appears in factual article format, as does Raphael (archangel). Fylbecatulous talk 20:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
• I am happy to work with you, Hafspajen, in a sandbox on articles if collaboration and edits in sandboxes by secondary editors are allowed here. As has been said, rules are unique here. I know @Rus793: has said it is okay to work together in a sandbox, but could we be reassured by an admin that this is permissable? Fylbecatulous talk 20:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
• Thanks, Rus793. Again, Hafspajen, I will do whatever to help, as always. Each individual article, one at a time. I am not suggesting any one thing or the other; I admire and respect you and very much enjoy working with you. So, I am off to visit an American Cocker Spaniel. Fylbecatulous talk 20:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

There is one slight problem - on the English Wiki I have a sandbox, it is above between the links, among Talk/Beta/Watchlist and so on - but here there is none... --Hafspajen (talk) 23:55, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

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continued from Talk:Puli

In reading what you write, it's clear you have a real enthusiasm for your subject. I thought you might have experience with these dogs, possibly even some expertise. The problem here is, we aren't authors, we're editors! Editors compile information from published sources and, putting it into their own words, present it in an encyclopedic style. We summarize information, we don't explain it. That's what internal links to other articles are for. Your writing style is more that of an essay than of a summary. Now, an essay style is probably what you were taught and it's a common style new editors start with until they learn how to compile encyclopedia articles.

We don't write from our own experience. What that is called is original research. Wikipedia has a core policy Wikipedia:No original research. You'll want to read it a couple of times. Essentially it says we don't write what we know. We compile information from reliable published sources and summarize it. This is called "source-based research". Look at the edits I did on the Puli page. Sometimes I replaced a couple of sentences and summarized it with a statement followed by a source citation (saying where this information came from). Look at the article Komondor. Do you see a difference in writing style between the paragraphs I edited? We don't have to cite sources for everything, but everything comes from a published source.

Take and digest this a bit. I would be happy to help you with this or another article on dogs. I am a dog owner and of a similar breed. But, I don't let that get in my way. An article on my dog's breed should read like any other article I edit. So you don't really need any expertise in the next breed you select, you need to learn to summarize information and use published sources for your information. Then, you can edit an article on most subjects—even those you know a lot about. The other thing you need to do is set up a sandbox (if you haven't already) and edit your articles there. You can ask for help from other editors to edit there until the article is ready. Then, copy and paste the article from your sandbox into article space, creating a new article. When an article is published, it really should be ready to go. Certainly you can add more paragraphs later, but what is there should be simplified, wikified and source cited if you can. If you're not familiar with citing sources, I can help with that too. Any questions? I bet you have a few. Once we cover a few basics, then we can discuss why I made the changes I did in the Puli article. Rus793 (talk) 13:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC) (edit conflict, reposted)

• Well, I understand very well what you mean about original research. But I do compile information from reliable published sources and summarize it. Those informations do come from books. Now we are not supposed to write exactly what it say in the books. So I read, summarize and put that in the article. I simply didn't put those books there because there are in Hungarian, those books are written by Hungarian dog experts and breededs. But it wouldn't do much good to anyone because you wouldn't be able to read it.

Actually, while the articles have to be in English (Simple English), the source citations do not need to be. Go ahead and cite your Hungarian language sources. Rus793 (talk) 00:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• Also, I might be new here but I was editing on the English Wiki since 2007. Those things you are speaking of are not quite new for me.

If you want I can put there all those books and dog articles from Hungary I read. (And ALL Hundarian books warn for keeping a Puli like a simple pet like any other dog in an appartment.) --Hafspajen (talk) 18:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

That's a good idea. Just see what a few authors say about something (like keeping one in an apartment) and write what the prevailing viewpoint is. I came over from enwiki some time ago myself. Keep one thing in mind, our policies and guidelines are somewhat different than at enwiki. A few are nearly the same. Where we have no policy or guideline, we follow enwiki. We're writing to a different readership however. It's still a good idea to start in your sandbox. New pages are still going to be patrolled. When I have the time I stop and do some improvements, but otherwise will tag articles for problems. I'm not the only patroller either. Keep in mind the tags are there to encourage all editors to improve the article and are in no way directed at the originator of an article. Please tell me if I can help in any way. Rus793 (talk) 00:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes, I do need help, @Rus793:. I can't find my sandbox. Where is the sandbox? On the English Wiki I have a sandbox, it is above between the links, among Talk/Beta/Watchlist and so on - but here there is none... This is why I worked right in the mainspace. --Hafspajen (talk) 08:09, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

This is the easy way; Go to Wikipedia:Sandbox. While most of the discussion is on using the public sandbox, at the bottom is: "Do you want your own sandbox? Create a user subpage". Click the link to create your own sandbox. It will be a subpage of your userpage. Create a shortcut on your talk pages as I did (I have three linked on my talk page under the picture). You can also link it to an image, etc. Another way to create a subpage is covered in Wikipedia:Subpages. Create the page: "User:Hafspajen/sandbox" just as you would any other new page. If you have any problems, just ask. Rus793 (talk) 11:57, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• See below in the Cocker Spaniel section. I just made you one. See there for yours with info on how to open and find. Fylbecatulous talk 12:30, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

maybe you can use Bing ot Google to read them?

File:August Wilhelm Leu - Hardanger Fjord.jpg

Hardanger Fjord

Hungarian sources: Ildikó Udvardiné Lukács, Tibor Gibizer & Sándor Sékelyhidi: Komondor, Kuvasz, Budapest 1996, ISBN 963-7314-33-4; (also about Puli) http://www.kutya-tar.hu/fajtak/puli, here you can se one book, Dr. Sárkány Pál - Dr.Ócsag Imre: Magyar kutyafajták (Dr. Sárkány Pál - Dr.Ócsag Imre: Hungarian dog breds http://www.eladomakonyvem.hu/konyvek/?category=0&name=&author=S%C3%A1rk%C3%A1ny%20P%C3%A1l&publish=&owner_name=&order_by=name&sort=asc&where=)

Here: és táplálás: A pulit természetesen kertes házban való tartásra javasoljuk, mindamellett hogy ez a kutya nagyon igényli az ember közvetlen közelségét - citation. (We recommend the Puli to be keept in a house with garden, but remember that the dog needs human company too )

Citydogs Életstílus:Aktív, (Lifrstyle :active) Lakóhely: Kertes ház (Where to keep. House with garden)

History and How to keep.

History :A puli fennmaradását a pásztorkodó életmódnak, a pusztának köszönhette. Jellegében az idők folyamán több-kevesebb változáson ment át, de a pásztorok kezén fajtatisztán fennmaradt. A pásztor tudta, hogy milyen érték hűséges terelő kutyája, minden időben nagy becsben tartotta, céltudatosan tenyésztette, adta-vette. Arra is vigyázott, hogy a nyáj mellett fellelhető őrző-védő ebek ne keveredjenek a terelő kutyával. Érdeke volt, hogy őrző-védő ebei nagyok és főleg fehér színűek legyenek, a terelő puli meg élénk, gyors és tanulékony maradjon

• To keep: A puli elhelyezésére vagy ólat használunk, vagy megfelel a közönséges láda is. Az helyezés leglényegesebb szabálya: széltől védett helyet jelentsen a puli részére; szár fekvőhelyet nyújtson; a csapadék ne érje a pihenő állatot. A férőhely nagyságának megállapításakor már előre gondoljuk meg azt, hogy csak egy-egy munkakutya részére készül-e az, vagy tenyésztési célokat is szolgál. Az utóbbi alapterülete kétszerese is lehet az előbbinek. A puli számára az a legtermészetszerűbb elhelyezés, ha az egész ház környékét, az egész udvart járja. Előfordulhat, hogy bizonyos okok csökkentik szabad mozgását. Sokan azért is nem tartanak pulit, mert úgy gondolják, hogy az egész kert veteményét letiporja. Szokás a futókarikás, vezetődrótos elhelyezés is. Végszükségképpen kennel­szerű elhelyezést biztosítsunk. A kifutó olyan helyen legyen, ahol árnyék és napfény is van. A kifutó­ban van az ól is. A kennel naponkénti tisztogatásáról gondoskodni kell. A koloncos tartási mód állatkínzás, amikor kisebb-nagyobb koloncfát kötnek a nyakörvhöz vala­milyen célból (ne űzze a vadat, ne kóboroljon el).

And I think this discussion really should be moved to the puli page... --Hafspajen (talk) 20:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Puli

È un cane molto intelligente, vivace e docile.

Andrea Solario

È un cane molto intelligente, vivace e docile. È inoltre molto devoto al padrone. È un buon compagno per i bambini e li tratta come propri cuccioli senza mai esagerare nel gioco. Con il passare degli anni è diventato quasi esclusivamente un cane da compagnia e da esposizione, anche se mantiene le caratteristiche di pastore. Ha tuttavia una buona attitudine alla guardia. Molto coraggioso. Facile da addestrare anche se bisogna averne le competenze necessarie. Ama molto l’acqua; in passato era usato come cane da riporto. Cane rustico e robustissimo. Si può tenere sia in casa che in giardino. Si adatta agli spazi piccoli ma rimane un pastore che ha bisogno di frequenti passeggiate. --Hafspajen (talk) 08:36, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• I think your article looks good now. It has references and reads nicely with good images. I have marked it as patrolled. I just added some wikilinks to the text as it is written now. Fylbecatulous talk 12:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I looked at my dog book to see if it could offer any more citations. There's not much there, and the book is the old edition, not the 2005 update. If you want it, this could be another citation: About 45 minutes of grooming work each week is recommended.<ref>{{cite book |author=Yamazaki, T.; Kojima, T. |year=1995 |title=Legacy of the Dog: The Ultimate Illustrated Guide to over 200 Breeds |publisher=Chronicle Books |isbn=0811810690}}</ref> It also says that the grooming is ideally done by an expert. (I've seen it done, the dog doesn't like it. It involves tearing the larger cords longitudinally, not cutting.) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:24, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is correct, it should be teared in smaller ones, otherwise it may look like that poor thing in the picture, who really looks like a mop... but I can imagine the dog is not happy if it is not done right. Why don't you add it yourself? it is your article... I:) mean - Ziggy's.... --Hafspajen (talk) 21:22, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

American Cocker Spaniel

Good morning ツ Read now and see what you think. I also answered on the talk page. Fylbecatulous talk 11:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh and I just made you a sandbox, if you want to use one: The text for creating it is in this history, if you want more. I renamed mine, as you know to 'litter box'. If you want a different name it would go in the second section after the straight vertical line (the pipe). Now just click on your red link and open it with an image or whatever: sandbox. Then all you have to do is put a link to it on your user page, so you can find it. Fylbecatulous talk 12:27, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Fylbecatulous talk 00:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Still life and other similar pages

I'm a bit concerned that you may replace illustrations in a way that suggests your personal taste instead of the teaching needs of the articles. I mean, the text refers to ancient examples and you took out the only one we had! You have added more to Still life, but seemingly reduced the cultural variety of the spectrum. Sorry, but that's the way I see it. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:59, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, maybe if you look at it now, but if you only waited a little... I think the article is way too short, way too bad. I wanted to find a different ancient example - the one in it was a crappy wishy-washy bad reproduction. The article is pretty bad too, and I just started working on it. Your comment is not nice. But I can revert it and leave it as was - so long. --Hafspajen (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

So, you can have back your low quality article as it is, I am not touching it any more. You can keep them all as they are - if this is the kind low quality crappy art articles you like - you can have them all. As they are now. --I seriously think that allmost all art articles are here off desperately low quality - and then especially still life. It is just total crap as it is now - it is not even an article but some stupid lines written - supremely badly about a subject the editor - somebody - didn't understod almost anything about what it is. Worst low quality crap ever. But you can have it back as it was before - and all the rest of them. Hafspajen (talk) 17:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

QD request on this page

I'm declining the qd request because we don't like to delete user talk pages when there has been substantive discussion on them. There hasn't been any vandalism in a few weeks, and deleting the page wouldn't stop the vandalism anyway. However, I'm open to discussing this, so let me know if you have any other ideas on how we can help. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

It has been quite a lot of vandalism. 18 or so all together, the Userpage and plus 12 here, on the talk, under an extended period, several month in fact. There is nothing worth keeping on the talk, I say. The last was not to far away in time[3]. Most probably this user, never really had any serious conflicts with anyone else. Actually never had a conflict with this one either that I started myself, he is just likes harrasing me. Also per User talk:George.Edward.C--Hafspajen (talk) 19:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I know it's annoying, but the recent amount and frequency of the vandalism isn't what we consider to be a lot. There has been none this month and only two incidents last month. Also, nothing would stop the vandal(s) from recreating the page anyway. Have you considered archiving the content that was here before you blanked the page? The archive could be fully protected if you want, which would prevent it from being changed by anyone. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

-Ha, good idea. Thanks. --Hafspajen (talk) 01:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)