Talk:Oil wrestling

Name of the page

I just changed the page name per enwiki, but the original author thinks the page name should not be changed. I would like to hear opinions and comments from others about this proposal. MathXplore (talk) 12:21, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Your move was good, the corresponding en.wiki article is also about Turkish oil wrestling. -Djsasso (talk) 12:23, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

yes but it was changed from Turkish Oil Wrestling to Oil Wrestling, as you can see @Djasso

And Oil Wrestling in other countries is absolutely different. So In my opinion the name I created it as Turkish oil wrestling, was better. Nalanidil (talk) 12:26, 18 March 2022 (UTC) (Spelling correction, MathXplore (talk) 12:36, 18 March 2022 (UTC))

Yes, but those differences can be explained in the article, no need to have different articles for each variation. This is a common practice. -Djsasso (talk) 12:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Hm, dont know...not my mind but another question, one or more pictures what is better? Nalanidil (talk) 15:49, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding one or two pictures per day, should not be a problem.--On Wikipedia - many times slow is better than quick. 89.8.157.238 (talk) 18:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

In Turkish oil wrestling, you grab your opponent's leather pants with your hand to bring them to the ground. Please read the source or look the pictures or videos of turkish oil wrestling before making stupid comments, thanky. Nalanidil (talk) 20:12, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Then anyone - I probably will not - should write that in the article: "grab/grabbing your opponent's leather pants".--Remember to not be rude; Anyone who is rude can get kicked out of here for one day or one week. Regards! 89.8.157.238 (talk) 20:26, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Before you critised me, you can wrote it with another word then. You should have a Look if not you will be kicked out here, because several IP Adresses allways you. Nalanidil (talk) 20:38, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

If I look at other Wikipedias, it seems to be called 'Oil wrestling' there. Besides being a Turkish national sport, it also seems to be popular in the south of Bulgaria. If I look at the historic landscape Thracia, It looks like the part of Turkey that is in Europe, plus the northeasternmost part of Greece, plus the southern part of Bulgaria. Eptalon (talk) 20:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes Eptalon, exactly, and the Oil Wrestlers taken the hands in the pants from the oppnents, its normal in this sport, as many pictures shows, but this IP Adress allways changend it, and also changent the word "Kırkpınar oil wrestling festival" from the Photo. Nalanidil (talk) 20:52, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Go search commons for "Schwingen" (the Swiss variety, without oil), or sumo wrestling, and you'll find that usually there isn't that much clothing to hold onto, and secondly, if you are all greased up, holding/lifting the other person by these items of clothing, and pushing are probably the only viable options. As to the name for the item of clothing, it seems to be 'pants'; but you'd have to ask a native speaker... Eptalon (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

My only question dealing with the topic of naming is "Are there other forms of oil wrestling?" Obviosly excluding the erotic forms as that a totally different "sport". Eptalon pointed out a swiss version and sumo, but neither of those include the oil part. If there are other forms, then I would be against the move as this topic is generally all about the form currently practiced in Turkey. If it is basically a solo venture of the Turkish people, then the move is fine as there is no need to differenciate it from something else. If the form from Turkey is the only form, Oil Wrestling would be a better place as the "Turkish" part isnt realy be part of the name.. its just "Oil wresting" Yagli Gures basically translates to "Oily wrestling" not "Turkish oily wrestling" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creol (talk • contribs) 03:24, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Vanity above one photo

Anyone should remove "Kırkpınar oil wrestling festival", from the top of the template in the article. (Inexperienced user [1] reverted without explanation.) 89.8.157.238 (talk) 16:08, 18 March 2022 (UTC) 89.8.157.238 (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done, for now. 89.8.157.238 (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

What is wrong with you? Why you reverted and deleted the "Kırkpınar oil wrestling festival" fom the Photo?

Kirkpinar is the Turkish word, its the name of the Festival.

what you do is Vandalism.

Nalanidil (talk) 20:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

At this point I ask both of you to stop reverting each other. I took the name of the festival out as it is probably better not being in there, I had changed my mind. The wording that keeps being commented out I have edited to use better grammar and to better explain the intent of the sentence. To the IP, you should not be using comments to remove sentences. Either remove them or leave them, don't comment out. In this case you should have stopped and discussed after you were reverted. -Djsasso (talk) 20:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry but this is not m fault, this IP Adress made always this nonsense of canchings.

But Im out of, because this is not longer the Article, i created. So do want you want.

It's a pitty that such things is happen, but without any Admin who have a look about, this Article is lost. By Nalanidil (talk) 23:46, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Woman wrestlers and "Turkish oil wrestling" in the Netherlands

"Turkish oil wrestling" is (or was) done in the Netherlands.--The article should say if there has at least been one female practitioner of "Turkish oil wrestling", anywhere. 89.8.81.240 (talk) 21:37, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I think what we are looking at here is quite different, from the images of lightly-dressed (or naked) women wrestling as a show (a form of adult entertainment). I have created the page erotic wrestling, for lack of a better title. And yes, it does have an image... Eptalon (talk) 21:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Nobody is saying that many women are practitioners of Turkish Oil Wrestling. Are there notable sources about any known female practitioners? 89.8.132.226 (talk) 22:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you know of any sources? Do you know if there have ever been any women taking part in the sport. If there are, how is this fact notable enough to get into the article. How exactly is it special that a someone did this beacause of there gender? There is no notice on Dentisty articles that females can also pull teeth... If there is no notable reason to include a genders participation, it need not be mentioned. Creol (talk) 20:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

If women generally do not play a national sport, then ... .

Guess what! When some groups in society are kept away from playing/doing a national sport, it really pisses off some people in that group (and some will go far to rectify a situation).--Olympic female wrestlers have a wrestling suit. One might consider looking for sources, for female wrestlers wearing a so-called Olympic wrestling-suit, and at the same time wearing a "kisbet" (the wrestling-pants in oil-wrestling).--Olive-oil might be considered a gimme.--Not sure I will follow this talk page - but I will let y'all now if I see sources about oil females fighting in kisbets. Regards! 89.8.181.27 (talk) 21:00, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

First of all, it is an ethnic sport, not a national one. I am pretty sure that is what it says in the article (you did read the article I hope). That point aside, It seems you are saying that women are banned from the sport. That would mean you know that no women compete. This brings into question why you asked the question in the first place. IF you know the answer, why ask the question other than to waste peoples time? It certainly does seem that this is what you are doing. Thankfully, all I have is free time. Nearly everything I do is wasting time or sleeping until I waste time the next day. Dealing with this is nothing out of the ordinary. As to women Olymic wrestlers, which definion of suit are you using. Are we talking law suit or suit of clothing? Being ambiguous does not help here. And if you are talking about clothing, why would someone need to look for references about what a woman choses to wear? And how does any of that apply to this subject? Vague and off topic... getting worse. I am going to guess that you mean a wrestling singlet. Why we are combining Olympic wrestling attire with the attire used on an ethnic variant of the sport seems more than a bit off topic as well. The addition of olive oil to the discussion is right out of left feild and entirely not of any use.

"If women generally do not play a national sport".. such as baseball? Not on topic, but that does not seem to be an issue, so.. There is no dedicated womens play at either the national or Olympic level and yet you neve hear a word about it. Same with no men playing Olympic softball. Women play in the lower leagues (little league, high school, etc) but never move on to the upper leagues and yet there is no notice of this in the article on baseball because it is generally not on topic. (getting back to the point) It is also not on topic here. Creol (talk) 22:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

If I search for "female turkish oil wrestling championships", I get resuls such as this one or that one. No, its not important if site is important, or notable; it simply shows that there are women competing in these championships. (Second link may we wrestling in general). If I look at the picture in the articles, the women seem to wear a full body dress. (Perhaps in adition to said pants..). Anyway: There are women competing in the sports, and they win championships. If I look at sports like beach volleyball, women seem to play it in a sports bikini, and recently, a team was fined because they wore shorts instead of a bikini bottom. But I think that's the general problem of women in sports being made to wear outfits that sexualize them ("sex sells"), and it has nothing to do with the topic.

As of this article there also seem to be mixed competitions.

That's what 10 minutes searching reveals, so i guess we would be able to mention it in the article. Eptalon (talk) 17:25, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

My question here is "Does the articles apply?" The topic of the third article seems to be wrestling in general. I could be wrong (not the first nor last time there) but I didnt see any mention of oil or Yagli gures in the article. The image on the article shows neither oil or the standard attire of oil wrestling. The first two articles are clearly off-topic as they deal with Greco-Roman wrestling. I think the third link does as well. Creol (talk) 22:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

"you can take a hold on (or hold on to or grab) the opponent's leather pants, while you try to make him fall"

Please consider changing to: "you can take a hold of (or hold on to or grab) the opponent's leather pants, while you try to make him fall". 89.8.81.240 (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Please consider cleaning up the grammer and word choice. This is an encyclopedia after all. Creol (talk) 20:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, anyone should consider doing that.--Now that the "hands in the pants" part, has been kicked out of the article, then my work is largely done. 89.8.181.27 (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Really? so please look at pictures of Turkish Oil wrestling, putting hand in the opponent's pants is normal in Turkish Oil Wrestling. It may certainly seem odd or homoerotic to Europeans, but not in the Turkish Oil Wrestling. It is also described in one of the sources in the Article, you should inform yourself before you make baseless comments.

Please stop doing that. Thanks

Nalanidil (talk) 00:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I think I did that while cleaning up. As it was presented, it did not make a lot of sense. (imagine my shock at that..) I have since put it back in with a bit more info. also covered a couple other things and ref'd them all up. I did remove the "old as the Ottoman Empire" since it didnt actually end until after 1923. I did replace it with an "atleast 14th century" time frame. Did not cover the lack of weight classes, progressing between classes or doping. All these are in the refs so they can easily be added. Creol (talk) 03:07, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Article

This is no longer the Article i created, I see too many changes was made by this strange IP Adress, always with different IP Adress. The whole grammar is destroyed and defaced. Its a pitty that no any Admin are have a Look about.

By, Im out of this Article.

--Nalanidil (talk) 23:41, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Much of the article was in disarray. I cleaned up the general look, re-did all the references, copyedited to get Rid of the Heavy Hand on The Shift Key, fixed the cats, etc. Lots of things needed to be done here.

(but on the topic of copyedit: article that I created. IP ad(d)ress, pity that there are no(t) any admin here to have a look about. , By(e), article)

Creol (talk) 20:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Please look at pictures of the Turkish Oil wrestling, before simply deleting something just because a random IP address or addresses says things who is not true. In Turkish oil wrestling, it's perfectly normal to put your hand down your opponent's pants to bring him down. This has nothing to do with homoeroticism.

Here some Pictures:

Nalanidil (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

• • Look up. I basically replied to this post in the section above. Creol (talk) 03:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

All three sources seem spammy (Tourism sector)

Anyone might want to consider following up.--"Additional citation needed"-tag? 89.8.132.226 (talk) 00:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Is this a question? I see a question mark but the rest seems like just a random assortment of words. Playing the quessing game, lets go with "Is anyone considering adding mor citationa?" As a simple google search for "Kisbet pants" (you used the term above so you already knew it somehow) leads to multiple references that could be useful for the article. Feel free to use any of them. Let me rephrase.. feel free to look into how to reference things properly and then use any of them. Creol (talk) 22:09, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

No cigar! I glanced at the En-wiki article (and none of the sources there); That is how I solved the "Kisbet mystery."--I am guessing that the "sources" in our article sucks, when it comes to wrestling; Judging from the titles, they are spam.--Extra information: the only reason I bothered checking the titles of our sources, was that the original article had some elements which seemed more like a prank - than an encyclopedia article. 89.8.181.27 (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Odd. Took me all of 3 minutes to find a ref for the main festival, that Kirkipinar started in 1346 but the form iteslf is ancient, that the actual name is Yagli Gures and of course the kispet. Took longer to type this than to find it.. and yet you got nothing.. odd I say. Creol (talk) 23:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it actually normal what this IP address is doing? Strange comments, to many Articles, also on the talk page of users, also on my talk page, this IP address made strange comments. Is that normal? I actually find that creepy. Nalanidil (talk) 00:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Normal for most people? certainly not. Normal for him? sadly true. It is usually best to just ignore him. Creol (talk) 02:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I am so glad that user:Creol was helped when I brought the word "kisbet" to this talk page. (Y'all should be thankful for the online searches that he has done, after knowing what to search for.) 89.8.181.27 (talk) 10:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 89.8.181.27 (talk) 10:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Taking credit for the work done on the English wiki? go you! Creol (talk) 22:21, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I have answered on your talk page [2]. 89.8.121.154 (talk) 23:35, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Inscription history

Does anyone have an clue what "Inscription history" is? Something happened (seemingly for the 5th time) in 2010 but there is no hint as to what if anything this means. Inscription is not simple, the phase has no obvious meaning and there is no link.. Creol (talk) 19:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

It refers to when it was added to the UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage list. This was the 5th round of additions, and UNESCO refers to it as being "inscribed". Not sure whether we just make an article or simplify their language. Griff (talk) 20:22, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest having a section in the UNESCO article on the selection practices (there may be one,, never looked) ahd changing the template to link to that section. That way we stay true to the source and still support our readers. Creol (talk) 21:29, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

AND, Done. but that leads to a new problem. Its inscription is list as 5th regular committee session (2010). according to the UNESCO site the 5th session was 1981 and the 2010 session was the 34th. for extrodinary sessions 5: 2001, 9: 2010. No bureau session since 2005 and there wasnt a general assembly in 2010 (would have been 17.5) Need to look a bit deeper and see whats up here. Creol (talk) 03:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

This is what the inscription list is based off of. According to that, the 5th session of the Intergovernmental committee (which is apparently what the template uses) was in 2010. Griff (talk) 04:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Problem was I was looking at the main list (WHS) and not the Lists of Intangible Cultural Heritage. I could have just not been an idiot and looked where the reference on the infobox was pointing, but wheres the fun in that? I did finally get to the correct page (here) and lo and behold the next issue pops up. The inscription isnt for the sport its for the festival. Yaglı gures isnt on the list, Kırkpınar oil wrestling festival is. Creol (talk) 04:14, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done Fixed the infobox to list the festival as the actual inscription. Parameter was |ICH= and not |name= so a couple more hoops on the learning curve. Creol (talk) 04:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

About hands in the pants

It seems to me that this IP addresses 89.8.157.238, 89.8.81.240, 89.8.132.226, has a big problem with Hands in the pants of the oppunant, but look at the pictures or look to Videos about Turkish Oil Wrestling:

It is perfectly normal to put the hand in the opponent's pants to bring him down. Also on the floor. It may look homoerotic to Europeans, but not to the Turkish oil wrestling sport, we people from this culture know that it is normal and has nothing homoerotic about it.

--Nalanidil (talk) 00:52, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Its all about improving leverage so they can defeat the other person. Not their fault that someone is too childish to deal with it. It is their thought that went to homoerotic, not the wrestlers. Have to wonder why that is where their thought found a home. Creol (talk) 02:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree with that you, but can you link the changes? I can't find them. MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 04:26, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Given the amount of edits ive thrown into the mix here, Its likely partially buried in there somewhere. As of my last edit attack, hand in the pants is back in the article with a bit more of an explanation than before. I know I trimmed it down in an earlier edit but that was based on quality of the info provided and not any implied notions. With the added info to work with, it should all be in there now. (and referenced) Creol (talk) 04:36, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

• If one of you want the article to say "One is allowed to grab the waist of the opponents kisbet (pants)" and/or "One is allowed to grab the lower end of the kisbet (pants)", then feel free to write that if one has an okay source.--Al Bundy often had his hands in his pants, while sitting in his living room on his break-thru TV-show; Maybe he too is a practitioner of Turkish oil wrestling. Blah. 89.8.181.27 (talk) 07:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

  One wants to say the One is allowed to put their hands into the pants of the other person. One wants to say that the act is commonplace and entirely acceptable in the sport. That is sourced. If an other One is has issue with how that make one feel tingly in ones own pants, one should wander off until one gains a little maturity and a better understanding of ones own sexuallity. The mirror reflects too much? which part.. affects.. you so much the placing of hands or having hands placed in your pants? Or do you have strong feelings about putting hands into the pants of another man and having another man putting his hands in your pants? Either way, you may went to take a more hands on approach to dealing with the situation. This seems a personal matter you should deal with in private and not in front of a group of strangers. Creol (talk) 18:15, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

  If "One wants to say" that, then:
  "You go, girl!"--Don't let anything stop ya. Regards. 89.8.121.154 (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm only here as this discussion was referenced at AN. I did find a source from ESPN where they specifically mention reaching inside the kisbet to gain leverage over the opponent, as that is the only unoiled part of the opponent's body. That being said, that entire paragraph needs to be re-written and expanded, not just the section about being handsy. I can circle back and look at cleaning this up, but I can see there are already several editors working on this. Thank you, all of you, for discussing this. Griff (talk) 08:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Category "yeah-i-bet"?

Anyone might consider improving

• "The wrestlers put their hands in the pants of the other person to get more leverage".
  One can not rule out that the style and tone in the article, will have a long life in our small fish bowl. Good luck. 89.8.181.27 (talk) 10:28, 20 March 2022 (UTC) 89.8.181.27 (talk) 10:30, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

And your issue is? "Good luck" in having any clue what you are even saying? Given how often you fail completely when it comes to saying anything understandable, I am going to guess English is not your first language. Or second.. third.. fourth maybe? Could you, please, try to be a bit more coherant in your ramblings? Creol (talk) 18:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Undue highlighting?

"Kırkpınar oil wrestling festival" is now [3] written at the very top of the right side of the article.--Please take necessary action if not appropriate (even though it is a result of a Good Faith edit); After all this article is not titled "blah-blah Festival". 89.8.181.27 (talk) 10:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

The infobox is solely about the festival. It always has been. On every edit you made to the page, you did nothing about the fact that the information was there and presented incorrectly. You failed to correct the situation. And now you expect others to fix what you see as an issue which you ignored the entire time? Creol (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

It's good that you think you know what I expect. I am looking forward to your next post in this thread. Cheerio. 89.8.68.200 (talk) 21:32, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Actually I have no clue what you expect. Given the lack of quality in your posts I would find it hard to beleive you even know what you expect. Frosted flakes. Creol (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

"And now you expect others to fix [...] Creol ... 17:57, 20 March". Sugar smack/Sugar smacks (cereal)/breakfast cereal.--Not sure when I will check this thread again. 89.8.121.154 (talk) 23:08, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Dating variations

Not sure if it is an issue or not, but something I see and wanted to point out. Two of the referece seem to be at odds with each other.This issue has crept into the article. One ref says the K. fest started in 1349, the other says its has been held in Edirne since 1361. Now it is possible that the exact wording is correct - It started in 1349 but has been in Edirne since 1361. ie started somewhere else and move to Edirne later. Totally possible but in need of a bit more handling of the matter if that is what happened. As written it seems a bit at odds with itself. A ref to clearly state this would be ideal but the closest we have is 2 refs that each prove half of the statement and neither directly disproves the other. Best i can see is something along the lines of "The festival was first held in 1349. It had been held each year in Edirne, Turkey since 1361" tad simpler than "In 1349, the festival was held for the first time. Since 1361, it has been held in Edirne, Turkey." Grouping the dates together, in a single edit, shows that we know they are not the same and this is not an issue. Seperating them and from different edits can cause people to wonder.Creol (talk) 19:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I think at 1361 in Edirne at the same place, name is Sarayici a place in Edirne Nalanidil (talk) 22:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Image wanted: Female oil wrestlers competing..

It would be a nice addition to this article, to actually have an image showing women competing in the sports. And no, I don't talk about the erotic variety, but the real tournamrent.--Eptalon (talk) 19:20, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

But this doesnt have to do with Oil Wrestling of Turkey, This page was creadted only for the traditonell oil wrestling from turkey.

if you look the source that you given, the Picture shows turkish womans wrestling, but nothing have to do with Oil. The Article is yet out of concept, bcause female wrestling with or not with Oil shold be an own Page.

Nalanidil (talk) 22:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

This article is about oil wrestling. As long as we aren't sure it exists, and all we can perhaps say about it is 2-3 sentences, I think it can stay in here. Once there's enough content, splitting it into an article of its own and keeping a summary is easy.

As to women wrestling (witohut oil) that should probably go to the wrestling article...? Eptalon (talk) 22:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

This is normal Wrestling of the turkish woman team, but what have this to do with oil wrestling from Turkey?

There is no such things Oil wrestling for woman in Turkey for woman, of course not in the public. Nalanidil (talk) 22:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

"As long as we aren't sure it exists": There are an unmeasurable number of things whose existance we are uncertain about. We can't rule out alien life of Jupiter. That doesnt mean we add information about its existance to an article without being able to prove our statement. No proof has been supplied here of any woman taking part in this sport. Are there female wrestlers in Turkey, certainly and we have references to back that up. Are there females who take part in the sport this article is about? There is no evidence that this has ever been true. As matter of fact, there is nothing to even suggest this possibility ever existed. It would be completely unethical to assume it is a thing when there is not even a remote hint that it exists. It is pure conjecture based solely on someones personal feeling with no basis in fact. This is Wikipedia, not the National Enquirer. Creol (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

sorry but where should oil rings for women exist in turkey? You people are littering a country and an Islamic culture, are you aware? Did you see the pics from the source? it doesn't show turkish women in oil. So please... this is really going too far. Nalanidil (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Article is out of concept

Unfortunately, the whole article got out of concept. The article was about Turkish Traditional Oil Wrestling and the kirpinar festival, who is taken ONLY by Men.

women wrestling has nothing to do with it.

The sources given about turkish women wrestling has nothing to do with tradionell oil wrestling of kirkpinar, look at the pictures in the sources...That's something completely different.

--Nalanidil (talk) 22:56, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I took out the section about women (non-oil) wrestling, and put it in Women's freestyle wrestling for now. Also with image showing the dress. Eptalon (talk) 23:23, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you very much @Eptalon Nalanidil (talk) 23:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Women in the sport

A lot of time and energy has been put into the issue of the participation of women in this aport. I have to wonder why this is. This is far from the first sport which does not have female participants. It is not even on the same level as some of the big ones. Im talking Magor League Baseball and the National Football league. Two of the largest sports leagues in the United States and no women participant but no one is holding a hunt to locate an exception. The NBA is in the same position but as the WNBA exists, this is a different matter. This is much the same with FIFA being split by gender. And yet the Premeire League in the UK does not seem to have female participants. Pretty certain most other national-ish leagues are the same. There may be women in football but most leagues do not have any. And we arent stressing that fact but this one we are? NASCAR has a few female drivers but how much mention do we give them in the aricle? Does the article for the NHL devote space to female players? There was a female goalie for the Atlanta Lightning back in the mid 90s but I strongly doubt there is any mention of her in the article.

We don't devote time and energy into dealing with these courner cases in the largest of sports leagues where coverage of every topic is daily news and yet people are scrounging for any tidbit on this sport just because one person made a comment about it with no reasoning given for why we should be looking in the first place. Consider the source and ask yourselves "Why are we doing this?"

How much effort are we going to put into the lack of gender participation and covering common techniques of the sport? All because one person made a comment about the subjects? Creol (talk) 07:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Why Name changing?

As everyone can see, the sources called it Turkish Oil Wrestling, this was exactly the name when I created the Page, but some Users then didnt want it and changend it in Oil Wrestling only. But why?, this Article was created for the Turkish Oil Wrestling. --Nalanidil (talk) 13:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Because the present title aligns with the En wiki title. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Many titles here do not have the same name as in English wikipedia.

Well then the sources don't match with the article, because the sources describe namely Turkish oil wrestling. Since the title has been changed, the sources are out of context. Unfortunately. Nalanidil (talk) 14:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Oil wrestling occurs all over the Balkans. Excluding it to Turkey isn't necessary. MrMeAndMrMe_{Let's talk} 14:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

yes and its called turkish oil wrestling, because the ottoman brought it to the balkans.

Anyway than change the sources...or i create only a page for the festival in turkey who called Kirkpinar as the picture and the sources are explain. Nalanidil (talk) 14:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Pictures

Why the sources (links) to show Pictures about Oilwrestling are deleted? Nalanidil (talk) 19:19, 15 December 2022 (UTC)