User talk:Jonas D. Rand/Archive 4

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24 June 2007–22 July 2007
23 July 2007–9 August 2007
10 August 2007–24 August 2007
25 August 2007–14 September 2007
6 August 2008–21 September 2008
23 Sep. 2008–5 November 2008

NevadaWiki

About Nevada wiki, the "culprit" signed one of his/her messages with JTLYK, do you know anyone with the same name? It could even be an anagram of a name. I think that you've been more than fair, you've explained all of your faults and not denied anything. I think that, should the person continue to open up old wounds with gratuitous ferocity, then I would be more than happy to block him/her.
However, I may not be able to for 5 days (see here for more info), but unless s/he takes on a more useful attitude towards yourself and NevadaWiki, A block will be imposed.
Gwib^-(talk)- 21:40, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Ooh...I'm sorry if you thought I was Kimberly Ashton. I'm not. I just didn't want you leaving messages on my english wikipedia talk page. :) Sorry for the misunderstanding. I got kind of offended when you called me a vandal. I'm not. --71.76.62.9 01:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Isis?! What a twist! Have you ever done anything particularly bad to her to incite such behaviour? If you want, I could ask her her IP address to see if she lives in the same place, but is your source reliable? Isis has been very kind to me and I would hate to break our relationship over something that may not even be right.

Gwib^-(talk)- 07:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

All of this seems to be fishy, Isis doesn't have any prior bad behaviour warnings on her Simple Account or on her En Account (which isn't Isis, it's Isis4563). She is a very tolerant user, so I doubt that she would start harrassing you just for putting a "retired" template on someones userpage that could just get reverted. I advise a temporary ban of 1 week on the anonymous IP address on NevadaWiki for abusive behaviour and a permenant ban if s/he continues. I'll impose the block so that s/he can't accuse you of it being personal.

Gwib^-(talk)- 07:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I really don't think that you should jump to any conclusions, one way of losing everybody's support is by accusing Isis of something that she might not have done. I've just blocked the IP address. It could even be Jimbo Wales, it still needs to be blocked for harrassement, regardless of whoever it may be on other Wikipedias.

I can't go on Wikipedia for another 6 hours (I'll be in a car, getting bored), but as soon as I have an internet connection, I'll get back to you. Do not post anything on Simple Talk until you have undeniable proof of anyones guilt.

Gwib^-(talk)- 07:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hi! I've joined you wiki. I found out the IP was from Isis' computer, but not all entirely sure it's her. I can't disclose any info on how I knew though--Purplecloud 21:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Do you check your e-mail? I sent you an e-mail about this, you don't seem to have received it. I have more to say, but I want to make sure it is actually you receiving the messages. And, what I wrote was off-wiki. That should count for something, right? --Isis§^(talk) 21:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I used the e-mail you used on simple wiki. I just sent you another one, though. --Isis§^(talk) 22:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

You'd better sort that out - I didn't get a response to my two emails while you were blocked, I don't know whether you received them. Archer7 - talk 22:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

OH NO! Why am I not getting email! OH NO! WHAT NOWIonas Rand [i.'ɔ.na.sız tɔk] 23:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry Ionas! First of all, the IP address apologised for their trolling. Secondly, e-mail addresses and the internet overall always has problems - no wikipedian can tell me that they have never seen that "SORRY, WIKIPEDIA IS EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS" message and I use mysunrise, which is reliable, but I've always had certain "SERVER OVERLOAD" messages whilst trying to send a message.

Just restart your computer, or even try to check your mail off of the mail site instead of using an application like Outlook Express (if you use one). And remember; everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Don't accuse anyone of harrassement until you know for sure that it is them. Even Purplecloud has his doubts, and if your source isn't reliable, don't follow it until it becomes so.

Good luck with this, I'll get back to you when I next get connection somewhere.

Gwib^-(talk)- 10:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture?

Ionas, dear, I think you're mistaken: I never uploaded any pics of myself to Commons, in order to use them here. The ones I use at English Wikipedia are uploaded locally there. Or do you mean the painting of Cupid I used to have? Love, Phaedriel - 20:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Amasebail

If it is determined that Amasebail should be undeleted, it may be recreated at that time. While it is under discussion, however, it should not be recreated. Thank you. · Tygartl1^·talk· 02:27, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Ionas, all you will achieve by doing that is, getting yourself into trouble. Tygart is not censoring you, nor anybody else. There are certain procedures that must be followed, whether we like them or not, and it's Tygart's duty to enforce them. Sometimes, we may not like the outcome of a community's choices, including those of our Simple English fellow editors; but that doesn't mean we should cry out loud and throw accusations at those who are only doing their work. As a courtesy to Tygart, and to spare yourself more stress, I kindly suggest you to blank that page and ask for its Quick Deletion yourself. You are most welcome to engage in constructive dialog at the proper venues and express all your thoughts. Have a beautiful day, Phaedriel - 02:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• You have been blocked for 72 hrs. We already know about the Amasebail article and are currently discussing the matter at undeletion requests; your actions didn't help, unfortunately... Blockinblox - talk 03:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

If you read it above it says you have been blocked for 72 hrs, not I have blocked you for 72 hrs. I am rejecting your request to be unblocked as you were unapologetic, and further insulted myself and Tygartl1, as well as making some outlandish accusations against Blockinblox and myself. -  BrownE34  talk  contribs  13:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• I will not end your block before the time expires. You have ignored previous warnings on insulting and challenging our admin team, you have not stopped soapboxing, you are a source of negativity, and you have generally acted in a disrespectful way. Frankly, I think you need to be sent to military school to be taught some respect for others. You are lucky I did not block you for a longer period of time to begin with and you are lucky I did not extend your block after the first email you sent me. I will accept your apology for the latest infraction; however I will not forget it, and most importantly I will not shorten the block. If you really want to show us that you are sorry than change your attitude and behavior upon your return. This was strike two and this umpire has a big strike zone so govern yourself accordingly upon your return. -  BrownE34  talk  contribs  02:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps the military school comment was too harsh, but the fact remains you need to learn that just because you can say something doesn't mean you should say something, and there are consequences for what you do say. -  BrownE34  talk  contribs  14:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

I don't really know how, I was improvising :). Besides, Creol beat me to it, you have all your edits and pages back as they were.
Do you have any idea who the vandal was? She specifically targeted you and when I stepped in, my pages were vandalized with "You don't wanna f-ck with this you don't wanna". A warning!
Gwib^-(talk)- 21:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't, I don't think that I have CheckUser status here. Ask an admin to do it.

Gwib^-(talk)- 21:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandal attack of today

Hello, Ionas68224. There was a page-move vandal attack (user is permablocked) today. It included your talk page. I have deleted the vandalized page, and selectively restored the version that seems to have been the last known good one (Browne34's edit of yesterday. Plese tell me if that is not what you wanted. Thanks --Eptalon 22:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to User:Persian Poet Girl (page-move vandal, mainly) --Eptalon 22:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Typo

I would have done so if only there was a "change this page" tab at the top. (Note: This is a reply to a reply to a comment made on my own talk page)

Scothonix 01:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Slight Personal info

What kind of personal info did you post? Panda Bear | Talk | Changes 02:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

"I am not sure where to put this, but I am very saddened. My mother has learned that I posted (slight) personal information and has punished me..." That's what I'm talking about. Panda Bear | Talk | Changes 03:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Moving Rimshot's userpage?

Dear Ionas, why did you move Rimshot's userpage to "Rimshots"? As far as I know, he has not asked for a username change; and in case he does, it gets automatically moved. Phaedriel - 06:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Great, but let him decide if he wants to, shall we, please? :) Phaedriel - 07:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you from editing for 6 months. You have got to learn there are consequences for your actions. You can't call insult people and not have there be consequences. This isn't Vietnam, there are rules. We follow rules even though we may disagree with them. Please think about this. -  BrownE34  talk  contribs  04:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Just to add a little information to the "insult people" statement. While I doubt this particular point was much influence in the block (and personnaly stayed out of dealing with you because of it), Atleast twice your major edits to your userpage have been taken as grevious insults to me. I am an American conservative - you have called me an imbecile just because of this fact. I served for nine years in the US Navy. My brother and many friends are current members of the US armed forces. You state we are the people responsible for 9/11. You state we are pussies for our actions there. You have included my actions on deleting sub-pages of banned users (the KA affair) as "administra'itors gone crazy" at WR.

You go out of your way to acuse people constantly on some personal crusade to right every thing you see as being a wrong against you (beating ryuong like a dead horse much?) and yet you started as a pure out vandal, changed to a user who we actually had hoped showed potential, then became self absorbed in a personal vendetta that served no useful purpose to the wiki. You came up with an article about a long term vandal and somehow turned it into how you were dealt with by the vandal. WR users have commented to you that it isn't just about you. We have said the same. We have tried to be patient and get you to accept that this whole thing is not all about you, but time and again it is always about you and when it turns bad you claim "I'm only 11, you must forgive me because I say I am sorry". While this is bizarre because you also claim that ageism is wrong, it is also wrong because you are demanding your appoligy be accepted even though most people here realize you don't seriously mean it. ¥ou say it but every change we give you, you turn around and repeat the exact same actions that got you in trouble in the first time.

The administrators here have given you more chances that anyone should get. They have tried time and again in hopes that you could be a good contributer. You have time and again showed them that you are only focused on how wikipedia in general (en: and simple) affects you. You decry actions taken, but do nothing to make things better than to whine ad nauseum about you getting banned for actions which pretty much everyone beleives are unacceptable.

As you say "I am only 11!".. maybe in time you will be able to look at your past actions and understand. Hopefully one day the words "tact" and "understanding" will be more than just words you can spell. Hopefully they can become words you can beleive in. At this point in your level of editing, they are not words you can deal with and as such, you are not an editor who provides any benefit to the project. -- Creol(talk) 06:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

(disclaimer: I am typing at work, on a Imac keyboard I am totally not accoustome to without the benifits of my own laptops setup spell checking (and I work at a bar/restruant.. think about it) so my spelling and grammar is likely to be off some.)

Block evasion

I have extended your block to one year for failing to adhere to the block that has been imposed upon you. You have a history of abusing multiple accounts and you have shown you will not abide by the block you have already been given. The next time you try to evade the block you will be banned entirely from editing on this wikipedia. Thank you. -  BrownE34  talk  contribs  21:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)