User talk:Jonas D. Rand/Archive 6

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24 June 2007–22 July 2007
23 July 2007–9 August 2007
10 August 2007–24 August 2007
25 August 2007–14 September 2007
6 August 2008–21 September 2008
23 Sep. 2008–5 November 2008

From User talk:MindTheGap

Since you said your comments still stand, I thought I would take issue with your comment that Admins have no more special a custodial role than other users ... Admins do indeed have a more special custodial role than other users and are given the tools to manage that role, for example deleting inappropriate pages, protecting pages against vandsalism, blocking users who behave inappropriately, etc. Accordingly admins need to be familiar with policy in a way that is not expected of ordinary editors. On the other hand they are not "super editors" - their role is different. Hence remarks about less than perfect editing skills are not appropriate.

That is why I took issue with MTG and his header on his user page and talk page. It was fair enough to make the remarks within an RfA although they were not views shared by the community. Outside of that context they are a personal attack on the newly promoted admin (calling him illiterate which he clearly is not), and incidentally on the community too. --Matilda (talk) 07:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Iran coup d'état (1953)

Hiya! I see you moved the article. I have no problem with that, but to answer your summary; the reason that the French should be used here is that there is no such phrase as coup d'état in English (cup of state?, leadership coup?, civil war?), it's a French term. That's why it would be most appropriate to have it in French for the article itself and to have redirects for the common misspellings. But, like I said; no problems with it, the reader is the important thing. :-) fr33kman ^{t - c} 14:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Stalin

Hi, I never knew there was actually a term called de-Stalinisation. I thought it was someone's idea of a good pun and nearly lost a lung due to laughing at it. Still, it is a funny sounding word. :-) fr33kman ^{t - c} 01:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm learning about National Socialism, and we talk about Lenin's policies being "Bread, Peace and Russification" :). --Gwib ^-(talk)- 05:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Editor review

Hello. I noticed you created Wikipedia:Editor review/Ionas68224. Just to let you know, when you're ready you have to add your review to Wikipedia:Editor review. I'm just thinking you forgot to do that. I'll be happy to review you if you would like. Thanks, – RyanCross (talk) 06:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Heh, it'll take me longer than that. ;) I live in the same city as you, so I know what time it is. :) – RyanCross (talk) 06:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

re: No bot flag?

Wikipedia:Simple_talk#AntiVandal_Bot. --Gwib ^-(talk)- 19:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Topmatter

Hiya! Yep, adding topmatter tends to be automatic with me :-) fr33kman ^{t - c} 05:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

reply re mentoring offer rescinded

Hi, in response to the message you left on my talk page, the archive is number 45 if you want to go through it or you could look at the diffs of Simple Talk. I did not receive a copy of the email but 6 editors did apparently receive a similar email at the same time. I have withdrawn my offer as it is apparent to me that the editor involved was not interested in contributing in a positive way.

As a point of etiquette, even if I had received an email, it would be inappropriate for me to forward it to you. --Matilda (talk) 04:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

If you are curious, why didn't you look up the relevant diffs as I suggested - the edit summaries are quite clear: [1] and [2] tell you all you want to know. --Matilda (talk) 04:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

As those emails were sent today (my time), I think unfortunately he has some way to go before he is stable enough to be interested in contributing only positively. I am not a teacher or a social worker and I have better things to do with my volunteering than trying to help somebody who seems not to want to co-operate. It is a pity but ... --Matilda (talk) 05:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: "personal rules"

The editor in question ignored my telling him not to reply about an article matter on my personal talk page (since his first comment on my talk page amounted to little more than a personal attack), and made a reply on my talk page. This is not a "personal rule", it is common courtesy, if not actual Wikipedia policy. The "talk" link you mention is a pre-coded link to an editor's talk page, not an invitation to make comments on it, as you have assumed.

I do not feel bound or compelled to listen to you, since you are neither an admin nor an adult, and you have only recently come out of a longtime block. My suggestion to you is that you stay out of this matter, or I will have two people to report to an admin. Zephyrad (talk) 22:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jonas:

Be very careful whom you accuse of "lying", "misrepresenting", or "ageism". Everything I said to that user is documented. Yes, perhaps you feel you are "defending" him; I would call it "needless intervention", "unauthorized intervention", or more precisely, "sticking your nose where it doesn't belong" and "overstepping one's bounds". The user is active on Russian Wikipedia, and has been for some time. Presuming it operates under similar principles to this one, he should then understand both the proper use of talk page prompts, and of Wikiquette. He may speak for himself, on his own talk page, or a given article's talk page. He does not need you to defend him; if he feels I have violated some policy, he may take it up with an admin personally.

I do not need to hear definitions of Wikipedia terms from you. Nor am I impressed by your wordage, or your verbosity. These two factors add up to both patronizing on your part (or an attempt at it), and the very same "rudeness" you have accused me of, backhanded though yours may be. Your comments also serve as QED of my earlier point to you. You are still not an admin, and you have only recently come off a one-year block, for ongoing poor attitude (among other matters). I wouldn't call the attitude you show me now a better one. It's hardly different from what I see in others of your age group, and I've seen enough of it to know. That's not "ageism", that's life experience. There's a difference. Zephyrad (talk) 02:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I must point out that niether of those two pictures are even close to the behaviour of an energy wave and that both pictures are equally good descriptions. I have read the arguements and you should try as hard to explain the differences between the pictures as you are explaining differences between yourselves. ~ R.T.G 03:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Your interest in being mentored - a suggestion as to how you could go forward

You have expressed an interest in being mentored [3] following the matter being raised by another. I suggest you think out what you would want to get out of being mentored and then approach an editor who you think could help you to meet those objectives. --Matilda (talk) 00:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I would recommend an administrator or 'crat, to be sure of experience. Preferably an active one, but someone you haven't been very personally involved with. That leaves (correct me if I'm wrong):

• AE
• Cassanrda
• Eptalon
• Kennedy
• M7
• Ryan
• FSM
• Tholly

--Gwib ^-(talk)- 01:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

DP95 would come back if needed Gwib. --  Da Punk '95  talk  02:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Please check AN --  Da Punk '95  talk  21:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Posting IRC logs

Please stop doing so. It is not allowed by Wikipedia, it can be viewed as attacks, and sometimes IRC is used for something about a wiki, not wanting to be discussed on wiki. SwirlBoy39 20:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

You Have New messages

Hello, Jonas D. Rand. You have new messages at Shapiros10's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Blocked

You have been blocked from changing Wikipedia for a period of 48 hours in accordance with the Mentoring plan by Isis.

Once the block has ended you are welcome to make helpful changes. Do remember that adding spam, making changes that do not have a neutral point of view, making personal attacks on others, not respecting other people's privacy, and vandalizing pages (including page blanking, or adding nonsense text or information that you know is wrong) are not allowed. If you do any of these things, you will be blocked again.

If you believe this block is unfair, you may request to be unblocked by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below.

--  Da Punk '95  talk  20:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Why? What did I do? I was beginning to make my apology page, but then I opened a new tab, and opened the Recent Changes, and got this on my talk page. Jonas D. Rand ^T 20:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC) I edited the RFCU page, and I forgot about the WP: namespace restriction.

The block will be reduced to 24 hours. It is seen upon as punative by everyone. So I'll give you a chance. But next time... --  Da Punk '95  talk  23:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

You are now unblocked. Please refrain from making any edits for the time being, that you know were not supposed to be made in accordance with your mentoring, until this has been sorted out. I will say that no matter what namespace it is in, you are more than welcome to contribute to the discussion of your mentoring. Synergy 00:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Synergy. Please also undo my autoblock, the block on my IP address, as I cannot edit pages from this IP address other than my talk page with that autoblock still active. Jonas D. Rand ^T 03:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Explanation

I edited the page Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser, against my mentorship plan laid out by Da Punk '95, which required a 2 day block for violating the rules. The reason for doing so, even with my mentorship plan disallowing it, was because I forgot about that rule, and the edit was not harmful or disruptive. The edit was merely to add, as evidence that Ric had come back as Giventends, a link to a screenshot of the e-mail that Giventends sent me via Wikipedia, asking for the IRC logs by e-mail. The block was not in the spirit of the rule. Jonas D. Rand ^T 03:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)