Talk:Baseball uniform

As of 18 September 2008, this article is a very good article. (compare to current). This means the community feels this article is written very well. You may see the vote that promoted the article here.

My thoughts

There are still many difficult words to understand in this article. Designated, pinstriping, and many other words are very difficult and need to be simplified. The whole article needs to be copyedited for style and grammatical sense, as well as wiki links that are missing. There are still many pages that are important links that need to be created before this can become a Good Article. There are also many fact-like statements that need to be sourced. I have done my best to point some of these out, but there still remains a lot to be done before this will be accepted as a Good Article. I would also recommend that you copyedit the whole article for sentence length, structure, and fluidity. Hope this helps :) Cheers, Razorflame 03:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I was doing that earlier. It needs grammar checking also. But I can do that pretty good. -- America ^†alk 03:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I noticed there were a lot of problems with the article in that part. I'll help copyedit the article. Cheers, RyanCross (talk) 05:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

New York Knickerbockers should have their own page because it is a very important link because they were the first team to use uniforms. So, your action of removing the red link is not beneficial to helping this page become a GA. Cheers, Razorflame 20:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed the link because there was the same link in the lead section... -- RyanCross (talk) 20:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Didn't see that until now. Feel free to unlink that link that I added then. Cheers, Razorflame 22:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done -- RyanCross (talk) 22:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, we need to find some more references to prove some statements in the article. -- RyanCross (talk) 22:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I've been tagging the statements that need proving with the {{fact}} template already. Cheers, Razorflame 22:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, now we have to try to find references for those. Most of the info from the article is from The Baseball Almanac. -- RyanCross (talk) 22:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a very good reference finder, so I will leave the reference getting up to you. As to the unsourced statements, I believe that I have gotten them all, but I will comb the article one last time to see if I missed some. Cheers, Razorflame 23:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. I'll try to find some references for the ones you tagged. Cheers, RyanCross (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

As I can see, many people have the same idea. The words are slightly difficult to understand. Prime Contributer (talk) 06:10, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'll read over the article a few times. Sometimes people who don't know baseball much, can't really understand reading topics related to baseball. I'll make sure I didn't miss any, but if I do think it properly simplified, I'll remove the tag. -- RyanCross (talk) 06:17, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Prime Contributer (talk) 06:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Unsimple words

These words need to be changed into simpler words: arched, undermined, broader, acceptance, ironically, innovations, sporadically, assign, associated, specific, ritual, acquiring, minimal, contrast, revival, varities, designation, abandoned, distinguished, gothic style. Cheers, Razorflame 23:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

We're currently doing that. Thanks, RyanCross (talk) 23:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible GA of baseball uniform

Okay, we are trying to make the article to GA status. The following is a list of the requirements for GA. When each one is completed, but a {{done}} next to it. Here are the requirements:

Requirements for WP:GA articles

1. The article must be about a subject which belongs in Wikipedia. There is no use improving articles that do not belong here, and better fit another wiki, like Wikibooks, Wikispecies, Wiktionary...  Done
2. The article must have a certain length. A minimum is 3.5 kilobytes, not including infoboxes, images, references, other websites, interwiki, and categories. There is no use in denoting very short articles as good. Done
3. The article must have gone through a few revisions, possibly by different editors. No one writes perfect articles.  Done
4. The article must be filed in the appropriate category. It must have at least one interwiki link.  Done
5. The last few revisions should be minor changes (like spell-checking or link-fixing). Done
6. All important terms should be linked and there must not be many red links left. Red links point to articles that do not exist yet. Usually the important word or phrase is only linked the first time it occurs. Done
7. If there are any illustrations, they must be pertinent to the article. They must also be properly labelled.  Done
8. There must be no templates pointing to the fact that the article needs improvement. These templates include {{complex}}, {{cleanup}}, {{stub}}, {{unreferenced}} and {{wikify}}. The article also should not need them. Done
9. Content that is from books, journal articles or other publications needs to be referenced. This can either be done with <ref>..</ref><references/> tags, or as a list of publications. Done

-- RyanCross (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I've read over the article and bits of it still seem a tad complex:

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the Giants added an almost "plaid" effect with a crossing of many thin lines of purple.

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Yankees pinstripes (on their home uniforms) have persisted and become a symbol of the Yankees

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In the late 19th century, soft but durable leather shoes were the preferred choice of baseball players.[needs proving] Soon, detachable spikes were designed and were seen multiple times until 1976, when they were prohibited.

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the Boston Americans (an unofficial designation that merely distinguished them from their across-the-tracks rivals) adopted the Nationals' abandoned red stockings

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A throughout copyedit would be needed, which I'm willing to do. But simplification of something I know nothing about should be avoided. --Gwib ^-(talk)- 07:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - I'm going through it slowly but surely and will work hard on simplification. Sourcing is another major issue right now so if you (Gwib) could help with that, it'd be great. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Give me a few hours (off to see significant other), I'll have all those {{fact}} templates filled! I like finding sources :) --Gwib ^-(talk)- 07:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Okay, I've basically simplified and copyedited the article, but there is one statement I can't simplify, well, if it needs simplifying at all, that is. If you look here, it should read somewhere "the Giants added an almost "plaid" effect with a crossing of many thin lines of purple". I think that needs to be simplified, but I don't know how to reword it. Any ideas? -- RyanCross (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

How about "on the Giants uniforms, many crossed purple lines gave them a tartan-like colour." --Gwib ^-(talk)- 16:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Sounds much better. For now we will go with that unless a something better comes up. Thanks, RyanCross (talk) 21:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I think the article meets all the requirements for WP:GA. If not, we can fix those now. But does anyone think this article is ready to be nominated for WP:GA at WP:PGA? -- RyanCross (talk) 22:38, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

What is a pinstripe? A stripe with pins? The article didn't give any mention about it. Chenzw  Talk  04:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Clarified here. -- RyanCross (talk) 04:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions and confusions

(Time to ask the odd questions from reading the article from an "I know nothing" mindset.)

1. What is this uniform you speak of? Is there an article on that I could read to understand what seems to be a very important part of this whole thing? It is part of the actual title.. you explained baseball (well, linked to it- close enough) but this uniform thing confuses me. Let me go look that up before I continue reading. let's see.. search bar - Uniform.. "Oh.. thats what it is.. now what page was I on.. oh right" . Ok, lets continue.
2. Show can be confusing.. the back of the uniforms now show the players names... what does it show them? or is that really a complete sentence? Is the name like a motion picture getting shown?
3. The first uniforms were blue pants, white shirts and straw hats, but then it says they were white shirts, pants, and straw hats. Did the pants change color?
4. In 1882 something odd was happening with the uniforms and something called stockings. (not certain what a stocking is.. does it have something to do with the stock market or possible a supermarket??) Apparently the color of the uniform would change the angle of light that hits it or possible change the different positions the uniform was in (not certain how many positions you can wear clothing.. sleeves up or down, socks up or down, shirt tucking in or not.. that's the main ones I think, but then there is also the issue with these "stocking" things to think about but the color seems to change this position somehow.)
5. Did the players actually where their uniforms when they were not playing? It talks about wearing white uniforms at home. I also thought baseball was played in a stadium but it talks about uniforms worn on the road.. did they play on the streets or were these uniforms just the ones they wore when they left home (and their white uniforms) and drove to the stadiums.. This whole section is confusing me a lot.
6. Somebody already asked, but I don't seem to be able to find the answer. Why did they make stripes on pins. Or were they stripes made out of pins? and while talking about pins, did all those extra pins in the uniforms hurt? Was this kind of like a smaller version of the Iron maiden? Oh wait.. two paragraphs later, in the next section, you explain pin-striping is just long stripes.. never mind then.
7. Ok, hold on a second as I need to look up material and relief (unless that has something to do with that pitcher guy who plays at the end of the game, but I do not think so). Ok.. Black material with white relief.. how does the white cause "removal or lightening of something oppressive, painful, or distressing"? Is the black really that bad or is this a wool thing?
8. "other materials for the baseball uniform were added, such as uniforms made of satin." They added uniforms made of satin to the existing uniform? Why add uniforms to uniforms.. why not just use the one uniform? (side point: added? addition (mathematics) or "also used" inclusion?)

This is all I got for now.. I got really lost with numbers and uniforms used for science by the Indians, and hats shaped like boats and bicycles and cake boxes and just kind of wandered away from the article but not before notice an entire section on those "stocking" things which still don't tell me what the uniform has to do with the markets (whichever market this might be), a weird statement about knee-breeches (Isn't a breech in a knee a serious medical problem? The knees on the person in the picture look fine though.. odd.) and a bit about adoptions (not even going to try and think about that part unless it has something to due with were they get the boys who run out and grab the bats, but that doesn't seem to fit an article on the baseball uniform)

(remember - assume your reader knows little to nothing about the topic. Even less here than they do in en:wp -- Creol(talk) 01:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC))

Almost...

I just have a few more things, the word "like" needs to be changed (see here). And "Include" is a complex work. If you can fix those, I think it will be ready to be voted on. Cheers -- America ^†alk 23:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think we can fix those. -- RyanCross (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done finally. I've done one last thorough copyedit to the article. I think we can bring it to voting real soon. -- RyanCross (talk) 00:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Remove gloves, and maybe shoes

I have added a sentence about baseball gloves not being part of the uniform because they're not. Players can choose any colour or style they want. They're part of baseball equipment, but they're not part of the uniform any more than the bat is. So, I'm suggesting removal of any reference to gloves in the article.

Also, I don't believe shoes are part of the uniform, but some teams may require players to have certain colour shoes. If not, they should be removed as well.--Atkinson 291 (talk) 11:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Concept or vocabulary uniform is never defined or linked

The word uniform is not simple. It is never defined in the article or linked. The article assumes knowledge or understanding of the word. Not sure where to add it in, but it is needed. --Gotanda (talk) 13:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that. I fixed it a few days later. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2020 (UTC)