Talk:Israel–Gaza war (2023-2024)

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User's are reminded to maintain a NPOV  fr33kman 21:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Move to Third Intifada

Many news sources are calling this a Third Intifada, succeeding the First Intifada and Second Intifada that were launched in similar manors. The article should be moved to such under Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. AmericanBaath (talk) 18:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any palestinians calling it 'intifada' yet, what sources of other countries name it shouldn't be named as the main name of conflict, these events are surely leading it the way that we can call it a 'third intifada' but we should wait for few days...

(My opinion) Faraz Sualeh (talk) 19:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Redirect, when the time comes (but not Move).--The current title is meaningful to someone who reads English at a fifth-grade level (while Intifadah is a not-so-simple concept). 2001:2020:347:8DDA:FC94:6D72:9DF:C884 (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Can you please list sources calling it the 'Third Intifada'?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 08:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

As far as I've seen the sources are saying these ongoing events may lead to 'Third Intifada'; like this article from News 18 Faraz Sualeh (talk) 10:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

We should probably move this to the same title as en does. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 11:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jim 2 Michael

Why?

Simple English wiki has the potential to be much more than a simplified version of English wiki.

I think we should be drawing from all the other versions of Wikipedia.

A lot of editors who speak English as a second language might feel more confident contributing here.

We could fill in a lot of the parts of the story that are currently missing in English wiki.

Irtapil (talk) 02:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

• 2023 Gaza−Israel warfare is maybe a better title.--If our title is 'more clear' for someone that reads at the level of a fifth-grader, then we should maybe keep that title.--"October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict", is a so-so name.--If we find a title, that is better for Simple-wiki, than the name at En-wiki, then so be it. 2001:2020:347:8DDA:3CCB:7461:398:B16A (talk) 17:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

How about Palestinian invasion of Israel? Jim 2 Michael (talk) 19:48, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jim 2 Michael How about Response to 16 years of Seige?

Chill am joking, just don't suggest names that are bias... Faraz Sualeh (talk) 20:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Invasion isn't biased. It's what's happening & is used in WP article titles including 2022 al-Shabaab invasion of Ethiopia & Russian invasion of Ukraine. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 20:39, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Attack on Israel, to troll for retaliation (from Israel)? Suicide-mission for many/most of the border-trespassers/killers?--There seems to be other things which are eclipsing the "invasion narrative".--"No", for now, regarding "invasion" as part of the title. ~~ 2001:2020:347:8DDA:D148:5DB6:54C5:51A1 (talk) 21:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Frwo has it as Operation Al Aksa Flood, which seems to be translation from Arabic. Dewp call it Hamas attacking Israel in October 2023. Eptalon (talk) 21:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I like the title that the enwiki is proposing 2023 Palestine−Israel War as both sides have declared war officially. Media is also calling it a war now. Bobherry Talk My Changes 22:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bobherry Yeah i agree Faraz Sualeh (talk) 04:13, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

• See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:October_2023_Gaza−Israel_conflict#Requested_move_7_October_2023 : a half dozen suggested names. Many (there) say "Wait". (2023 Gaza war is an alternative title, to waiting.) 2001:2020:347:8DDA:BD29:241A:8F36:DC44 (talk) 05:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:347:8DDA:BD29:241A:8F36:DC44 (talk) 05:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
•  Not done. 2001:2020:327:84CA:ED7F:3730:74A7:35AF (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@AmericanBaath "third intifada" is on Arabic wiki last time i looked, but only in the intro sections, not titles? Currently even en:The Electronic Intifada don't call it that in English (they call it "Al-Aqsa Flood") so it seems the name "Third Intifada" stopped being used quite early.

But we maybe need an article about "the intifadas"? one for all three if it's defined as three? or maybe one for each of the First two and a mention that 7 October was sometimes described as the third.

@Bobherry @Faraz Sualeh @AmericanBaath

But the current name is terrible, how about: "Israel-Palestine war"?

Has there ever actually been a war with that name? Do we even need a date? "Israel Gaza war" or just "war in Gaza" is more common, but there is so much happening outside Gaza that it seems inaccurate?

00:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC) Irtapil (talk) 00:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Changes to infobox

1. Why is the UK listed in the infobox?
2. I think the US should be removed to the "supported by" section, because the US isn't directly involved in the conflict. Joe Biden should be removed as a leader.

Kk.urban (talk) 04:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, because if UK is listed there just bcoz of its support done via tweet could mean a long list of other countries on both sides... Faraz Sualeh (talk) 12:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Disagree. I am not sure about the UK but US has directly sent multiple US Navy ships to the area as well as handled a lot of ammo. Bobherry Talk My Changes 21:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Disagree with user:Bobherry's argument (for now).--Just going to "the area" (also known as international waters in the Mediterranean(?) etc), is not enough. Note: things might however change if the US Navy finds out that they are going to spread some 'tough love' to keepers-of-hostages or even if the USN thinks that it will be necessary to send a cruise-fast message to 'players' if they can be found in the area of the old stomping grounds of ayatollah Khomeini. 2001:2020:325:8031:D51F:9D2C:17DC:DEB5 (talk) 22:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thoughts on improving the words about one idea?

" and the cutting of power and water supplies."

What is being stopped/interrupted/paused or "cut"?
Fuel (oil and/or coal) to run the only (?) electrical-power (generating?) station'?--And "cutting" the supply of water, or "tap water".--Thoughts (about these specifics), anyone? 2001:2020:325:8031:D51F:9D2C:17DC:DEB5 (talk) 22:19, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Israel Electric Corporation (owned by the Israeli government) stopped giving power to the Gaza Strip. Israel also stopped the Gaza Strip from getting food, fuel and water. The Gaza Strip's only power station ran out of fuel. FunLater (talk) 01:24, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

@FunLater She i get recently worked or what happened with the water, they didn't cut the water as such but when they cut the fuel and electricity the water system couldn't work. I think even that didn't provide drinkable tap water, so the drinking safest water was being delivered with the food that got cut off. They now have base minimum drinking water, and nothing to wash, which is a very precariously dangerous situation. Irtapil (talk) 00:55, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for remaining neutral and not stooping to the level of the English Wikipedia

This is a much more objective and honest article than the English wikipedia. Thank you for not picking sides and spreading propaganda 2601:40:C481:A940:8596:B81B:5309:5014 (talk) 11:02, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Many Israeli soldiers and armoured cars into Gaza Strip, since 27th October

• "a large-scale ground incursion into the Gaza Strip", says En-wiki, happened on the 27th.
• Furthermore, "On 28 October, Israel said that the units deployed inside Gaza Strip the previous night were still on the ground".
  

Please add to the talk page (or article), if you have sources that say anything about "at least" ... Israeli "squads" or "hundreds of soldiers" or "dozens of soldiers" or ... "armoured vehicles", going into the Gaza Strip.--If sources also name what kind of units, then that might be okay information to add: such as "battalion".

If expert sources call it an invasion, then we might add that (independent) militarily qualified source. Thoughts? 2001:2020:31D:B98F:C997:DD1:1022:D1AF (talk) 15:11, 28 October 2023 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:31D:B98F:C997:DD1:1022:D1AF (talk) 15:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

The New York Times call it raid and invasion Faraz Sualeh (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

The wiki-article now says that, "Some other media, call it an invasion."--I think that is 'good enough', for now.--The article is clear that overnight raids are going on.--In my opinion, we should describe the raids in regard to number of soldiers involved and number of armoured vehicles etc.--If the main body of raiding tanks, are not staying around during the daytime, then I am not sure that many experts will call it an invasion. 2001:2020:31D:B98F:B420:669B:AC79:1330 (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Faraz Sualeh

this evolved into the article about the whole war.

we need a separate 7 October page now.

Irtapil (talk) 00:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Removing the Israeli-controlled parts of Gaza

@Faraz Sualeh Is there a reason you changed the map to not include the Israeli-controlled parts of Gaza? You replaced the current map with the one from October 27, before the Israeli military started to invade Gaza. (special:diff/9167226) Kk.urban (talk) 17:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban That map was of when Palestinian militants had invaded and captured some areas of Israel, but israel had recaptured those areas after 2-3 days means that image was of 1st week of war now October 27 image is the updated one which shows no Palestinian militants control in surrounding areas of Gaza. Faraz Sualeh (talk) 18:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Faraz Sualeh Yes, but if you look at the map now, you can see some blue areas inside Gaza, where Israel has taken control. I think we should switch to this map, which is shown on enwiki. It is kept up to date with the quickly changing situation. Kk.urban (talk) 18:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah correct. Faraz Sualeh (talk) 18:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I have updated the image. Thanks for your response! Kk.urban (talk) 18:56, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban oh sry I was doing it as well, haha, by the way can you just check the captions they are having some space error I tried using <br/> but it didn't work... Faraz Sualeh (talk) 19:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Faraz Sualeh Which part of the article has spacing errors? Kk.urban (talk) 19:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban the caption of the map you just shared few mins before, not exactly error but a bit of extra space... Faraz Sualeh (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Faraz Sualeh That was because {{Leftlegend}} on simplewiki was different from the version on enwiki. I have just updated the template on simplewiki so the spacing error is fixed. Kk.urban (talk) 19:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban Thanks Faraz Sualeh (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

@Faraz Sualeh @Kk.urban the map is one thing that probably is with keeping in sync with en wiki, but someone there said it is not labelled correctly, the blue bit was the problem when they raised it. Irtapil (talk) 01:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Who is being killed in Gaza?

The article currently says that Israel has killed "about 1,000 soldiers (according to Israel) and over 11,000 civilians in Gaza". Definitely, Israel has killed a lot of civilians in Gaza. But is it known how many of the people they killed in Gaza were civilians rather than military/Hamas people? Also, is "soldiers" the right way to describe 1000 people who were killed? Kk.urban (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

There are almost no news about how many Hamas fighters are killed and I don't think it will be possible to know unless Hamas themselves tell it but since 6000 of the 11,000+ are children's/women we can assume that majority are civilians. And as per my opinion I won't call them soldiers because they aren't a part of an official army but instead of a militant group... Faraz Sualeh (talk) 17:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

It seems that most of the people being killed are civilians.

Israel claims that their goal with the invasion of Gaza is to destroy the Hamas leadership and military bases. If that's happening, the article should mention that as well. Right now it sounds like they are only attacking civilians in Gaza. But the article should be neutral and not try to justify the actions by either side. Kk.urban (talk) 18:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Right now there's no news about any Hamas leader being killed beside that most of the Hamas leaders live outside Gaza. So even those who are present are local leaders who aren't that much known. Only Yahya Sinwar is a popular leader living in Gaza who's the number 1 target of Israel now. So other then that if you open news it's all about civilians, medics,etc in Gaza getting killed. So I think the info about that in article is accurate as of now Faraz Sualeh (talk) 18:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@Faraz Sualeh @Kk.urban

1000 - I think the 1000 figure actually corresponds to the number of militants killed in Southern Israel (according to the IDF).

3000 - Israel claims that 3000 invaded and 1000 were killed. But I don't really believe either of those numbers? They don't seem to be based on anything? I thought for a while that 3000 was the total number of people including civilians just celebrating the destruction of the wall, but someone on en.wiki checked the source and the claim is 3000 actual militants.

8000 or a third - More recently (a few weeks ago) they IDF claimed they had killed about 8000 militants. They claim a third (~30%) of the dead in Gaza were militants. But i definitely don't believe that number, for that to be true it would mean they had somehow managed to kill zero adult male civilian men, despite having killed ~15,000 women and children. They seem to be using the "military aged male" definition of combatants.

soldiers? - Hamas are the government @Faraz Sualeh so Kataeb Shaheed Ezzedeen Al-Qassam are getting very close to an official military? But I still think "soldier" only works for the IDF. Even very pro-militant sources call them a "resistance fighter" (more secular sources) or "mujahid".

militants? fighters? - I think militant is probably the best word, we just need to clearly define it in simpler words? "Combatant" is obviously not Simple English? And even if the secular groups also use it, mujahid is definitely not Simple English, it is used occasionally in Emglish, but definitely not ? The word "fighters" might work? But often sounds awkward? I think the best answer is to call them "militants" and define that in simple words? "Militant" is used by more balanced English news sources and it is one of a few things en. wiki has managed to stay fairly balanced on.

word list - I am planning to start a word list, user:irtapil/Simple English words to talk about war and politics (in my user-space for now), possibly this should be moved to more of an admin space than the main space?

Irtapil (talk) 02:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

"fighter"?

Actually, simplest term for Palestinian combatants is probably "fighter"? I'm listening to a podcast from The Electronic Intifada, doing a long description of lots of events, and it seems to work? Problems -

• a bit too sympathetic?
• doesn't work for related words, "militant group" works, "fighting group" or "fighters group" it a bit unnaturally vague to the point of being confusing?

Irtapil (talk) 10:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Irtapil the word Militant is just fine🙌🏼 Ayesha46 (talk) 10:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 Thanks, I'm new to simple wiki and not really sure how "simple" it is aiming to be. The way I usually speak and write is very full of jargon, slang, dialect, idioms, and a lot of words that are just a lot more complicated or obscure than they need to be. So this could be good practice for me communicating more clearly.

Are there some particularly good articles in simple wiki that I can look at as examples? Particularly on the topics of politics, military history, geography, or culture? The articles about the current war are a bit unfinished and maybe not the best examples?

Irtapil (talk) 07:52, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

on the main page of simple wiki you can see good articles but currently i dont think it has good articles related to military or politics but that doesn't mean there are no good articles it's only we need to find or make for example there's a really good article present about Cuban Missile Crisis. You may check: Wikipedia:Very good articles and if you find any good article related to what you are finding you may nominate it in that list as well Ayesha46 (talk) 08:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 thank you.

Maybe short sentences are more important than short words?

Irtapil (talk) 03:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Recently restored broken link

Hello I've recently restored a broken link (ref name="roya", that links to a page of the Jordanian Roya TV). Perhaps the main link has been deleted due to issues with the web page itself. Please replace the link if that should be the case. Meksurenanders (talk) 06:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

War Name

The name of this article doesn't seem very appropriate. It's just copied from English Wikipedia, which has a very strong UK / USA bias. But I'm reluctant to change it unilaterally and I can't decide between Israel-Gaza war (which needs a date) and Israel-Palestine war (which is actually a first, but probably all needs a date).

"Israel Gaza war" is more commonly used than "Israel Palestine war", but "Israel Gaza war" more accurately describes several previous wars. And there's a lot happening in the West Bank.

A war between Israel and Palestinine seems to be what is actually happening? And this is what Arabic Wikipedia is calling it. (Last time I looked, Hebrew Wikipedia names it after the Israeli military operation, which is probably worse than the current name?) Gaza is the most intense area, but we're not still calling the war beween Russia and Ukraine the Donbas war?

A lot of sources object to it being called a war given how unevenly matched the sides are, but the word is commonly used and there's not a clear better word for it. The genocide aspect specifically belongs on its own page.

Irtapil (talk) 04:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 you seem to be one of the most active on the general topic, what do you think? Irtapil (talk) 04:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I would agree with Israel–Gaza war as more sources are now using that term even BBC (see here) but it also depends on what other editors think.

--💌Ayesha46 (talk) 07:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 Gaza fits common use, but the West Bank and Lebanon are definitely part of the same war? hence Palestine or Levant? Descriptively it's war in the Levant and Genocide in Gaza? But Gaza is used more often in English to name the war. Palestine is used in Arabic wiki, but most Arabic news calls I'll Tufan Al- Aqsa, and that's probably worse than the current title? Irtapil (talk) 03:54, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

We can't name it Israel–Levant war or Israel–Palestine war because the names should be what many sources are calling it around the world and not on the basis of what we think it should be also the Palestinian Authority whom majority world considers legitimate Palestinian representative doesn't declared a war against Israel, means one more reason why we can't use the 'Israel–Palestine war'. -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 That's a very good point about the PA.

I was thinking of Palestine vs Israel as the competing ideas Pele are fighting for, e.g. Ansar Allah flying flags of Yemen and Palestine instead of their usual banner).

But Palestine is also a group of people and a lot of them are in the middle group. The PA seem to be a bit complicated. The entire government resigned, i think to demonstrate an unwillingness to be installed as a foreign backed replacement leadership? and there have been a few lone wolf defectors, but most of the PA seem to be declining Deif's invite.

They really should be in the info box, but are they on team Israel or are they paying some kind of peacekeepers in the middle? and is it the whole PA or just Abbas and a subset of the security forces?

Irtapil (talk) 13:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Also… i am very foggy on the PA in Gaza, some of the "Hamas commanders" executed at Al Shifa (who as far as i can tell were leaders in the civilian police force) had PA uniforms and the PA seems to fund Al Shifa Hospital. It seems like there is a messy complicated edge to the PA.

For units involved the presidential guard would be on team Israel or the third side?

Irtapil (talk) 14:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

that wasn't PA uniform that was Hamas Police uniform, the PA only verify the information of Gaza Health Ministry other then that it doesn't have a big role in Gaza just a day ago Hamas announced that PA forces that entered area in co-ordination with Israel have been caught by Hamas police.

And I personally think about PA as Puppets of Israel-USA nothing more they were the peacemaker in the past but they should've already given that up after the rise in settlements and settler attacks. --💌Ayesha46 (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 The PA seem to be a lot more involved in Gaza than usually reported, it seems to be a bit complicated, e.g. 16:00 minutes into this she says some Gaza Health Ministry employees were paid by PA. The separation between the two areas seems to be severe for some things (e.g. defence) but they seem to collaborate a lot on others (e.g. health). Irtapil (talk) 10:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok but we're going a lot "off topic" it seems -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 10:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46

The PA definitely need to be listed on there somewhere? in the belligerents section.

On the Israeli side but with a separation line?

The box is also missing the settler terrorists … that mess is one of the reasons I don't like the Gaza war label, but there isn't really a better one.

Likud-Hamas war? kinda works but probably not appropriate.

Irtapil (talk) 10:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The PA isn't an important factor everything they does doesn't seem to be in alliance with either Israel or Hamas basically they are following their own path so no need of mentioning it yet nor do I think they'll do anything out of the box that we'll need them in the Infobox. You can still write about them by creating a new section before International Response and name it Position of Palestinian Authority? -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 10:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 @WeatherWriter

I changed it to Israel–Gaza war (2023-2024)

Previously I had 2023-2024 Israel–Gaza war, but that wasn't very readable?

It's not particularly accurate, but there's not a more accurate alternative that's actually used in English? and it's possibly not possible to describe it more accurately in something short enough for a title? e.g. "The war in the Levant and Red Sea, focused on Gaza, between Israel and Gaza's allied nationalist factions and their Lebanese and Yemeni allies on other fronts" is obviously not a winner?

Irtapil (talk) 10:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The current one is fine let's stay with this and we have seperate article about Red Sea crisis and we need a seperate articles for Lebanon-Israel conflict (2023–24) 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 10:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ayesha46 That still leaves out the West Bank?

I don't think splitting it into three makes sense.

• The Red Sea hijackings are explicitly motivated by the genocide in Gaza.
• Some of the targets in Lebanon have been Hamas, Israel are very much not fighting Lebanon, they're fighting en: Hamas in Lebanon and their allies in Hez.

It's all part of the same war.

Irtapil (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

we can create articles about notable raids that happen in West Bank like I know someone has created October 2023 Tulkarm raid, is there any page in other wiki that is made particularly for West Bank then do tell me I wanna have a look if they don't have we can initiate this ourselves via this wiki as it surely meet the Notability guidelines 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 15:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Also note that, Having seperate articles for such big conflicts is necessary considering that it would be a lot confusing if we mix up everything in one page, Kind regards -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

References

which is simpler "Mujahideen Brigades" or "Kataeb Mujahideen"?

Which is "simpler" Brigades or Kataeb? I'm a native English speaker and I strongly prefer the Kataeb / Kateeba / Saraya terminology (transliterated Arabic names). I find the "brigades" and "battalions" terminology very confusing, they're "big words" and they have a lot of shared letters. But i might be very weird? Irtapil (talk) 13:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Mujahideen Brigades suits well while for Al Quds Brigade we can use Saraya Al Quds -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 14:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Brigades is certainly simpler because it's an English word, and Kataeb is not. The question should be if it's accurate - if not, you can use the Arabic word. Kk.urban (talk) 23:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

and so far I have seen in the sources that it mentions Mujahideen Brigades and not the other name so we have to go by sources and use that only. -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 23:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I've seen both, but Kataeb is less common.

Mujahideen Brigades needs a page too.

There was one on Arabic and English wikis, but it got deleted for unclear reasons.

Irtapil (talk) 06:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Palestinian militants killed about 1,139 people in Israel (including 604 soldiers and some

Numbers don't add up 172.58.139.101 (talk) 04:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Move to Israel–Hamas war

Enwiki refers to it by this title. This title also happens to be more concise by removing the disambiguation, and removing that disambiguation also makes it simpler. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As the nominator. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Merge --DIVINE 14:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

I think we should move it to Israel–Gaza war (2023-present) reasons are basically clear it's more then Israel–Hamas war and Israel–Gaza war (2023-2024) makes it look like we are assuming the war would end this year which ofcourse we all would like but present fits well for now. --💌Ayesha46 (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

Pinging @Ayesha46 and Irtapil: from an earlier naming discussion. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I forgot to mention that the category is currently listed at Category:Israel–Hamas war. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)