Talk:Italy/Archive 1

hallo my name is dana i have aschool project in which ihave to speak in a few sentences in italian language about italy 89.148.38.55 13:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

i speak italian.... :) --Vector ^_^ (talk) 13:15, 19 November 2006 (UT

Dialect or Different Languages???

Shouldn't Sardinian and Sicilian be classified as dialects? I find the current version of the article very misleading.Noelle 19:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

No, because Sardinian and Sicilian are own languages, not dialects. The life of brian (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Italy make some very fast cars like Lamborghini Sesto Elementos and Ferrari Lafferaris but tey make fiats as well.

Confusing comment

Under "People and Culture" the article says: "After the United States and many other countries in the world, Italy has the largest illegal immigrant problem in the world." This is confusing. If it is after the United States and many other countries, then the problem is not the largest in the world. The statistics should be verified and this statement should be cleaned up.

PGA comments

• unlink all years.

 Done Exert 20:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• Its official name is The Italian Republic. - More official is the name in the main language of the country.

 Done Exert 20:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• and a developed country. - What is meant with developed? anyway, needs ref.

  New stub created. Don't forget Barras, this is PGA, not PVGA, the referencing doesn't need to be as strict as you seem to want it. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• Before 1861, it was made up of small city states. - How many states exists at that time?

  It varied. And it's not particularly important as it's just the "concept" of it being made up of smaller states that's important here. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• Template:I believe that Italia uses summer time - needs to be mentioned in time zone.
  • Simple Wiki's template doesn't support that (which clearly you're referring to the en.wiki article). I've added it somehow. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
• the tallest mountain in Europe, - needs a ref.
  • Reworded and referenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
• Other important cities in Italy are Milan, Turin, Florence, Naples, and Venice. - Who says, that this cities are important?
  • Removed the word "important". The Rambling Man (talk) 14:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
• Po River is the longest river in Italy. - needs a ref.

 Done Shappy ^talk 13:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Northern Italy has some of the biggest lakes in the country, such as Lake Garda, Lake Como, Lake Maggiore and Lake Iseo. - are there other big lakes in the south? needs ref.
  • These northern lakes are significant, that's why they're mentioned. Ref added. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
• which brings tourists from around the world. - needs a ref.

  Not for PGA, but reffed anyway. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• Tourists also come to see Italy's many historical places. - needs ref.

  Not for PGA, but reffed anyway. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• People from Italy are called Italians. Most Italians are Christian, and most of the Christians are Roman Catholics. - needs ref.

 Done Shappy ^talk 13:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• The population of Italy is about 58.5 million. - in which year and wih ref.

 Done Found ref. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 17:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

• About 2.5 million of these live in Rome, and 1.5 million in Milan. - also year and ref.
• Latin was one of the first languages of Italy. - Which were the other languages?

 Done Removed. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 17:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

• After the United States and many other countries in the world, Italy has the largest illegal immigrant problem in the world. - how many other countries? ref needed.
• These sites are properties forming part of the cultural and natural heritage which the World Heritage Committee considers as having outstanding universal value. - sentence is too long.
• Aproximately - not simple. What's about 'about'.

 Done Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 14:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

• Italy makes more wine than any other country. - wine should be linked and needs ref
• i.e. - no short cuts

 Done Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 18:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

• Italy is famous for its Italian Wine, pizza, pasta (i.e. linguine and Spaghetti), salame and varieties of cheese. - needs ref

 Done Removed. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 20:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• For what are the stars behind some of the regions?
• preceded - should be linked.

 Done Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 17:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

• defeated - not simple.

 Done Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 20:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• barred - not simple.

 Done Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 20:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

That's the first part until politics section. Later more. --Barras (talk) 20:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

More PGA comments

• Regions: What is the meaning of the asterisk (*)? - Can we get a map comparable to the one at France#Divisions; look at en:Italy#Administradive divisions to see what I mean.
• Politics: Can you give us anything that we don't already have in the overview box? - Extend, perhaps mention political parties, how the different people are elected, for how long they serve, what parties have influenced Italy a lot..
• People and culture: Immigrant problem: Mention that the tiny, now barren islets of Lampedusa / Linosa is the root of this problem? - It's only 115 km from the African mainland.
• Italy was the birthplace of Universities; the first ones were Salerno (1055, medicine), and Bologna (1088, canonical law); Renaissance started in Tuscany...
• Religion: are there any important minorities, mention Vatican City, how big is the influence of religion on everyday life...
  •  Done with adding importance of religion in everyday life. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 17:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
• Geography: Mention climate; more numbers, islands...
• Top three metropolitan areas are Milan (8 mil), Naples-Salerno(almost 5 mil), and Rome (4.3 mil)
• Generally get rid of redlinks..

There is still a lot to be done. --Eptalon (talk) 10:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments for PGA

Here goes;

1. Complex words and terms needing linking or inline defining are; founding, aircraft, territories, kilometers, similar, descendants, ancient, World Heritage, properties, considers, outstanding, universal, concentrated, Head of State, Head of Government, Italian Lira, civil, rights, unable, territory, divided, several, independent, states, Earl, defeating, domination, Garibaldi, crowned, Pope, declared, participating, reunited, participated, ally, Central Powers, border, surrendered, Fascism, dictator, movement, invaders, fascist, republic, dynasty, adopt, railway, network, panoramas, around, and ranked.

#The History section has a {{complex}} tag on it. Fatal error!

1.  Done Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 17:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that's it for now. Cheers and good luck! fr33kman ^talk 00:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I fixed the history section. I've asked multiple people to review it, but nobody's gotten around to it. Meetare Shappy ^Cunkelfratz! 00:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I have reviewed the history section and agree with the continued placement of the {{complex}} tag for the following reason;

• The following words need linking or explaining; territory, states, domination, declared, Catholic, reunited, participated, surrendered, Fascism, dictator, ally, movement (as in political movement), invaders, and dynasty.

Additionally in the politics section, "left-wing", "right-wing" and "coalition" need defining and "Lira" needs linking. Hope this helps! Good luck! fr33kman ^talk 13:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I forgot to mention also that per en:WP:LEAD the lead section should have a summary of all important points in all other sections. In general nothing important found in the rest of the article should be a surprise if one has read the lead. As such, the lead needs expanding. I know that often we don't do this here, but with an article that has a good enough length to it, as this one does, I feel it's better to have a good lead. (It's not a killer however) fr33kman ^talk 14:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that there was still a {{complex}} tag in the history section. I feel that I've fixed the section, so I removed the tag. hmwithτ 16:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I've linked/simplified all of the words mentioned above. Shappy ^talk 13:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

PM comments

1. Lead has no references

   Examples of the things needing refs there would be helpful. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

   Added a ref :) but also a {{fact}} template :( Pmlineditor 08:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

2. "it is surrounded by the sea on all sides apart from one (its north side)." - Source?

   The source is the card in the template. Barras (talk) 16:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

3. "Northern Italy is separated from France, Switzerland, and Austria by the Alps, a chain of mountains." - Source?

    Done Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 16:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

4. "The country includes a number of islands, the biggest of which are Sicily and Sardinia, which are reached by ship or aircraft." - Source?

    Done Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 16:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

5. History section has no ref

   Again, examples of what needs citing would be great! Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

6. Transportation section too tiny - Expand

   Agree. Help from anyone would be welcomed! Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

7. Create at least 3-4 red links and reduce number to <10

   I'm on it, though it will take a bit of time! I'm not going to make stubs :) Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

8. Politics section unreferenced

   Once more, some examples of what needs citing would really good! Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

9. Few references need {{Cite web}}

   It seems they all have it. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

   No, they didn't. But I've  Fixed it. Pmlineditor 08:27, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

10. "About 2.7 million of these live in Rome, and 1.5 million in Milan." - Source? Also them would sound better

     Done Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

11. "Italy also makes more wine than any other country." - Source?

    Not true, but Fixed. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

12. "In the 1850s, the Earl of Cavour, who was the Head of Government of "State of Sardinia" talked the Austrians in Lombardy and Veneto into creating a Northern Italian state." - Too long and thus complex

    Fixed. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

13. Flesch-Kincaid, though flawed, gives a readability score of 48.3 = not good. Simplify.

    I too use these readability tests, but they are often bad. Yotcmdr ^{=talk to the commander=} 17:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Fix these. More later. Pmlineditor 14:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

More concerns

• We have one statement that is unreferenced in the lead section - please fix it.
• What do the asterisks (*) in the list of regions mean? Either they are removed completely or a legend is included to prevent confusion. I believe this has been brought up before.
• Is population density allowed to be "n/a"?

No other problems I can find otherwise. Chenzw  Talk  13:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Barras' comments

• References need all accessdate and should use the {{Cite book}} or {{Cite web}}
• The website mentioned under "Other websites" is for advertisment, imo.
• The article is tagged with needs proving.
• Reference 2 is a blog, forum or what ever. This isn't a reliable source.
• The "Transportation" section has only one sentence, what clearly is too less.
• The list in the Regions-section should be in two columns.
• Why have some of the regions an asterisks ^* ?
• Other cities in Italy are Milan, Turin, Florence, Naples, and Venice. - Why are these cities mentioned and not others?
• Italy has two very small independent states, San Marino and the Vatican City. - Sounds like Italy is the owner of this states.
• The population of Italy is a little over 58 million. - Related to which year? 1759 or 1929?
• The Pope, who was angry, said that he was a prisoner to keep Catholic people from being active in politics. - needs a ref. Prbably he was happy?
• Dates in the history section should be unlinked.

--Barras (talk) 13:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Questionable "Italy Religiosity" graph

Not a WikiExpert, but I believe someone with children under the age of 15 or so should check the data in this graph. Last three categories are the names of characters in the Nintendo Mario Brothers game. 66.31.84.94 (talk) 01:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

"Italy has become famous for its wine, food, and accents"

I understand wine and food, but I can't believe Italy is famous for its accents. Perhaps someone is trying to be funny? METRANGOLO1 (talk) 08:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Removed it, not needed and not relevant with the rest of the paragraph. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 08:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Waldensians

This article has a red link to Waldensians. However, there is a page by the same name that fits the context. I cannot get them to link. Has anyone ever come across this before? Middleground1 (talk) 21:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)