User talk:Mh7kJ/Archives/November 2011

Patrolling new articles

Just FYI, it's OK to mark articles as patrolled if you're tagging them for QD. That takes them out of the unpatrolled list so that other patrollers don't end up looking at them as well. Cheers! --Auntof6 (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know; I actually usually do that, but I must've forgot. My apologies. Cheers! –Orashmatash 20:34, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Again, sorry --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 22:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Replied. --Orashmatash (talk) 19:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Hijra (Southern Asia)

Hello, Orashmatash.

Earlier today, you nominated Hijra (Southern Asia) for Quick deletion, based on the fact that it was transwikied, and had not yet been simplified. I have spent some time sipmlifying, added references and interwikis; please have a look, and propose the article for deletion here, if you still think it should be deleted. --Eptalon (talk) 12:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me, the complex tag should do. Thanks Eptalon! –Orashmatash 12:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

occupy london - the changes I was trying to save

Hi, I was just working on that article that I've put into the site but it looks like you are editing it too and have more seniority. My daughter asked me about the Occupy London protests and I thought it would be good to put some info on here. Below is the version I wanted to save (but couldn't because of an editing conflict), just in case it helps with your work right now. All the best, Lucy

Occupy London (also known as Occupy London Stock Exchange) is a peaceful protest and demonstration. The aims of the protest is to demanding dialogue and to draw attention to several different issues such as the widening gap between rich and poor people in the UK as well as the great influence that companies and business groups have on decisions made by the UK government.

Location and History

The protest is based in a group of tents pitched in the grounds of St Paul's Cathedral in London, United Kingdom, which is just in front of the London Stock Exchange. The protest started on 15 October 2011 in solidarity with the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, United States. On 22nd October 2011 an additional site was set up in Finsbury Square which is about 1 Kilometer away.

Organisation and Events

The protesters are not part of a political party and they do not have a leader. The camp is well organised and, amongst other things, has set up a forum for lectures and discussions open to anybody who is interested.

A panorama of the protest outside St Paul's Cathedral

References

• Wikipedia article about Occupy London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_London
• The Occupy London website and blog http://occupylsx.org/

Okay, thanks for that! I'll add it in. Remember that just because I have an account doesn't mean that I am of any seniority here. Everyone is equal. I recommend that you create an account, by the way. It gives you lots of benefits. Thanks! –Orashmatash 13:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Railways

I copied the first part, the introduction, directly from English Wikipedia for the Azerbaijan Railways article, because I thought that the language is simple enough despite the technic details. Instead of erasing the article, what are your recommndations for it to stay?

Eptalon looks like he's going to work on simplifying the article, so it will most likely stay. ---- 10:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Added a cleanup tag; most of the language is simple enough. I nevertheless invite you to work on it. Simply copying an article-part from enwp is not in itself reason for deletion.--Eptalon (talk) 10:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I spotted a few pretty complex bits, Eptalon. That's why I tagged it for QD. It should be fine when it's simplified. --Orashmatash 10:42, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for your support on List of European countries by population --81.229.43.123 (talk) 18:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem, always happy to help. I recommend creating an account, by the way. You can get lots of benefits. Exxon 18:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Rename

Hi ExxonMobil! (;))This might sort itself out when you get renamed, but can you keep an eye on Special:DoubleRedirects? You have quite a few ^_^ Normandy ^(talk) 12:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Uhuh. I'm going on wikibreak until I am renamed. I'll sort out my double redirects. Thanks. Exxon 16:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

 Fixed Exxon 16:38, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Why until you are renamed? Any work you do under Exxon will carry over to your new username you know? Normandy ^(talk) 16:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Is your name consistent with WP:UN? Many people think of "Exxon" as a trademark for a company that started out as the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey, now known as ExxonMobil. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 16:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Normandy: The name is a trademark and a company. It does not really break the UN policy, as I am not going to use it for promotion, but I don't want to risk it. A user with the name Exxon is also blocked on ES wikipedia for breaching the UN policy (somehow...), and I'm not going to risk that. Racepacket: See here. I have a request in to be named back. --Exxon 17:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Well if the crats were happy to rename you to a username that may violate the username policy then I'm sure they would wait to allow you to change it and not block you. You could have still edited, you didn't need to wait. Normandy ^(talk) 20:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh well, what's done's done. Thanks! --Orashmatash 20:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Background?

What would you think of getting en:Exxon Valdez oil spill across, to broaden your horizon? ;) --Eptalon (talk) 21:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't see why not. I'll add it to my to-do list. Thanks! --Orashmatash 21:04, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Hi! I just wanted to talk about this edit and offer some advice to judging whether something is a reliable source or not. For a source to be considered reliable it has a few tests to pass. Firstly, an indicator of reliability is that if lots or people are citing the source and talking about it. These people or other sources must be totally and completely independent of the source being tested. A source must be free of conflict of interest. Advertising revenue is not always objectionable, but loads of banner ads, Google ads type ads are not really going to play much of a part in a reliable source. I personally also dislike to cite sources that have none-transparent advertising as a significant portion of their revenue. All sites must be paid for but funding should be either self-funding or done in an open and transparent manner. Newspapers and magazines are going to have ads, but these sources exist in public view and so are sort-of peer reviewed. Peer review is a very important part of a reliable source, indeed it is a integral part of the WMF ethos. A fair source should also be one that treats the matter fairly. A source can contain wild claims and bias, but in such a case, we'd be talking about those claims being a part of the article topic matter. So we'd quote a white power group website for their opinions and then we can write about those opinions in the article citing the website. We'd also need to include reliable sources talking about them as well as having opposing opinions in the article. I think that's really all for now, I just wanted you to know that a person's self-claimed qualifications should not factor into it. Obviously this is different for academics within an educational structure such as a college or university. Although, even in such cases you'd be getting peer opinions as well. I'll leave it there. Hope you don't mind the advice. :) fr33kman 23:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

WOAH! MiszaBot is going to have a hard time archiving that massive paragraph! Of couse I don't mind the advice! I (somehow) managed to read through it. I understand that the website isn't very reliable, as the author only claims to have a degree in history, and advertises. I appreciate you taking the time to let me know. Cheers! Orashmatash is travelling 13:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I can be very verbose at times. I have multiple times where my penchant for run-on sentences go on for an entire paragraph. Someone specifically opposed my steward election for this very reason. :) fr33kman 18:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Racepacket/Pericyclic reaction

Have you had a chance to look at the article? What did you think? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I forgot what one I was meant to be looking at (sorry!). I'll have a look. --Orashmatash 16:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done - Please see my comments on the talk page. --Orashmatash 18:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Defaultsorts on "Foo at the Olympics" articles

Just FYI, these defaultsorts weren't really needed. The software has been changed so that case isn't relevant for sorting any more. There is probably some documentation that hasn't caught up with that, though. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh? I saw defaultsorts on other Olympics articles... It would probably help if you could explain to me which genre of article should be given a defaultsort. Could you do that for me? Thank you! --Orashmatash 21:04, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Here are the kinds of titles whose articles should have defaultsorts:

• Titles that contain letters with diacritics or accents: defaultsorts should translate those letters into regular English alphabet letters. Examples: Stanisław Ulam, Claude Lévi-Strauss. This doesn't apply just to articles about people, though.
• Titles that start with the words "The", "A", or "An": defaultsort should start with the second word of the title. Examples: The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, A Brief History of Time.
• Titles that are names of people where the family name is not the first word in the title: In most cases, defaultsorts should have the family name first. Examples: Nancy Grace, Édson Boaro.
  • A sort of exception to this is with Icelandic people: with a name like Snorri Sturluson, "Sturluson" is considered a patronymic rather than a family name, and they alphabetize names by the "first" or individual name.
  • Another exception is people with Arabic names. Those names often don't have surnames as we understand them, so you can usually just leave them to sort as the article title.
• Titles of some people who have titles of nobility, such as dukes, etc. Examples: James Butler, 1st Duke of Ormonde, John Stuart, 3rd Earl of Bute. However, this is not done for all nobility, and I'm not completely clear on when it should be done and when it shouldn't; it might be just for British nobility.

That's all I can think of right now. Are you familiar with when you might want different sorting for the same article in different categories? --Auntof6 (talk) 22:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Lady Macbeth

Please take a look at my cutback on the article. Perhaps you want to withdraw your A3? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 00:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Good job. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

 Removed - I'll further simplify the article later on. --Orashmatash 00:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Here you can enjoy your coffee Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 20:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! :) --Orashmatash 13:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. Can I answer your questions. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

celts druid(s)?

I tagged it delete because it seemed like jibberish to me if I'am wrong please correct me sorry for your time. --Crobau (talk) 18:26, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I didn't create the page. I was just going to turn it into a redirect page. It was, yes, vandalism/gibberish, but sometimes a redirect can be helpful. Thanks! --Orashmatash 18:27, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Colorado beetle

Please don't change the title of pages I've created without consulting me. I know what I'm doing. If I haven't used the enWP title I will have a reason. In this case the reason is simple: round the world the name 'Colorado beetle' is more often used, and in any case it was not originally a predator of potatoes. Please undo the change. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do it. We are not obliged to use the same titles as enWP. Macdonald-ross (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me? I did not make the move because I could do it. I did it to match the EN titles, which I can do if I wish to since there is nothing that prohibits me from doing so. Also, the title change keeps the article up-to-date by reflecting the fact that it's a big potato predator. I am perfectly entitled to do things like this without consulting the author of the page. If the word 'Colorado beetle' is more often used, then I don't see any problem with having it as a redirect to the proper title. --Orashmatash 19:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Copying from other Wikipedia

Hi Orashmatash, thanks for sending me links for me to check out. :) I looked at them yet I still have a question please can you help me answer it?

• Is it possible to also copy pictures from other Wikipedias?

Thanks for helping, WikiTheCat (talk) 18:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)WikiTheCat

No problem. Using pictures from other Wikipedias is quite easy as long as the image is on Wikimedia Commons. We do not allow image uploads here, so we can't use images that are locally uploaded (i.e. Uploaded onto the English Wikipedia but not Commons). If you find that the image you want to use is on commons, you can just click the "Use this file on a wiki" button at the top or the side and it should give you a link to use. Hope this helps you! --Orashmatash 18:44, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again :) Another question... I would like to know how to change the colour of my user name please? WikiTheCat (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2011 (UTC)WikiTheCat

Do you mean your signature? --Orashmatash 18:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes please? :) WikiTheCat (talk) 11:46, 19 November 2011 (UTC)WIkiTheCat

Well, to customise your signature, go to my settings and scroll down to the bit that says signature. Just enter the signature you want into the box and click the treat as wiki markup box so that the signature doesn't appear as code. Make sure it complies with the signature policy as well. Hope this helps! --Orashmatash 13:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Project page namespace

Am I allowed to edit the "Wikipedia:" namespace? Spidey665 22:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, everyone can edit the project namespace. Thanks! --Orashmatash 22:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		I think you are a great editor and you beat me to the vandalism on some pages. Keep up the good work! Spidey665 23:11, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the barnstar! :) --Orashmatash 23:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Want to look at another template?

Take a look at the article Senedd. Something about the {{convert}} template in the first paragraph is putting a newline after its output. Is that something you can look at? --Auntof6 (talk) 00:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Sure. It happened earlier today, the template is obviously having some sort of malfunction; I'll fix that later. I'll fix the article. Thanks for letting me know! --Orashmatash 00:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Note that the problem could be in one of {{convert}}'s many subtemplates. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

All fixed. I'll check the template transclusions and see if it's happening elsewhere. Usually, things like this are caused by having <br\> tags at the very end of the template. I'll take a look and see what I can do. --Orashmatash 00:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. I took a look at the template source code and there is a chunk of testing code in it. That might be what is causing it since it is happening everywhere the template it used. I'm trying to fix them all. --Orashmatash 00:17, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Related pages vs Other pages

I see that WP:MOS includes a section of "Related pages".

As you may know, Geisha is one example of a "WP:Good Article". Mirroring the format here, I used the heading "Related pages" in many new articles.

In response to your edit here, I modified this heading in as many articles as I could recall, including here and here.

You newest edit here frustrates my willingness to make guesses about what to do next. --Tenmei (talk) 18:41, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter which one is used, in my own opinion. I clicked on Special:RandomPage and I got Akihito, which had 'Other pages', so I changed it according to consensus which was reached some time last year. I wasn't aware of said consensus until earlier today, so I apologise for that. This is a link to the mentioned consensus. I apologise again if I caused you any inconvenience there, I didn't really mean for you to go and change the header on a lot of articles. --Orashmatash 18:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for providing a link to that consensus thread. Although consensus may change, this clarifies the template I should be using for now. --Tenmei (talk) 19:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Happy changing! --Orashmatash 19:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Ain communes

Are you going to put the template on all the articles? If so, let me know so I can withdraw my bot request. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 01:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm done for tonight, so you can pick up where I left off. Thanks! --Orashmatash 01:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI, I got my bot approval and finished these today. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, that's good. --Orashmatash 21:08, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Idenfiication

Hello Orashmatash. I see you are a good user and I notified you that you must see meta:Steward handbook/email templates#Notification that identification is required. Please note that you must be of legal age (18 at minimum) to identify for sensitive access. This might help you in gaining special permissions such as Oversight, CheckUser and Steward. Good Luck --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 17:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me for butting in, but that is a form letter and not a general policy. I've never seen age requirements mentioned in requests for those rights. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Then perhaps you should see wmf:Access to nonpublic data policy. PeterSymonds (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Now that's a policy! I probably never saw it because I never requested that kind of authority. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:49, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

- I did NOT request CheckUser, Oversight or Steward permissions on any wiki. Just to clarify. --Orashmatash 22:50, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Giorgio Orsini

Would you, please, considering putting back the correct artist's name? Thank you.--71.191.19.40 (talk) 18:31, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the English Wikipedia says that he was called Giorgio de Sebenico. Can you provide me with a source that he was called Giorgio Orsini? If you can, I'll rename it again. --Orashmatash 18:32, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for your prompt response. Here is a Google book search that gives you a plenty of insight into the real names of this Italian medieval sculptor and architect [1].--71.191.19.40 (talk) 18:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, that's good. I'll rename the page now. Thank you for letting me know! --Orashmatash 18:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done - ----Orashmatash 18:46, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

thank you so much

for your help --Crobau (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Feel free to ask me if you need help with anything. -Orashmatash 19:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the welcome, Orashmatash. I have a lot of experience with editing. --Mr. Ifans (Talk) 7:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. In that case, I hope I'll see you around sometime. Enjoy the Simple English Wikipedia! All best, -Orashmatash 21:57, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

SWMT

Hi Orashmatash. Please, would you mind entering on IRC, if you're online? I've got some problems...--Frigotoni ...i'm here; 13:34, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Sure. All best, -Orashmatash- 13:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)