Talk:Victoria line

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PVGA comments

• some refs needs to be fixed and online refs with access date. And th format should be sentence.ref not sentence._ref

   Fixed All refs are now using the appropriate templates with access dates etc. Goblin 09:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• It is a deep-level - what's deep-level? should be explained.

   Fixed Wikilinked. Pmlineditor 08:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

• Construction work - probably works?

  Nope, in this context "construction work" is correct. Thanks, Goblin 09:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• use — instead of –

   Fixed Goblin 09:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• dates in the prose should be unlinked

   Fixed Pmlineditor 16:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

• other suggestions were "Walvic line" (Walthamstow - Victoria) and "Viking line" (Victoria - King's Cross) - needs ref

   Fixed Pmlineditor I ♥ Gobby! 17:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

• The Victoria line was designed to relieve build ups on other lines, in particular the Piccadilly line, as well as to maximise possible interchanges. - This sentence is a bit complex

   Fixed Simplified it, and expanded a bit. Goblin 09:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• surface - easy?

   Fixed - In this context, it's not easy. Goblin 17:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!

• tiled in a non-descript cool blue/grey colour fashionable at the time. POV(!) without ref

   Fixed - this one is more a "common knowledge" style thing as it was never really referenced except through original research. So, I just removed it :) Goblin 10:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• dates are in different section in different ways written (the AE-way vs. the BE-way)

   Fixed Goblin 10:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• History section has only one ref - not enough

   Fixed, and more on the way. Goblin 09:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• Opening section has no ref - too less

   Fixed. Goblin 11:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• The future section has only one ref - not enough

  Kind of  Done - there's two now, though as I say the whole section needs re-writing. Goblin 20:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• The 1967 stock will be replaced bit by bit over the next few years as part of Transport for London's 5-year £10 billion redevelopment project. - needs ref

   Done, I think, though it may be in there again. This section is a mess and i'll re-write it at some stage. Goblin 20:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• hasn't - no short cuts

   Fixed speedily. Pmlineditor 16:36, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

• A whole section for a map??? An a web link in this section. An absolutly no-go.

  Map removed, a line diagram giving more info and links is in the following section. Goblin 09:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• Gallery section is too big

  Do we even need the gallery section? Exert 16:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

  A picture paints a thousand words. These photographs on the platforms are one of the most significant parts across the entire Underground system, and it would be impossible to describe them in words. Unless we add them into the table above? Goblin 16:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

  Hey, we do need the Gallery section. Pmlineditor 16:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

  Then adding it to the stations table would be a good idea. Exert 16:54, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

   Done - Photos merged into stations section. Goblin 09:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• Link to sisterproject should be in the other websites section

   Fixed Goblin 09:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• A section with only one link (word) - no-go

   Fixed Goblin 09:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• NO cats?!

   Fixed Goblin 09:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• redlinks needs to be filled in.

   Doing... - 12 to go. Goblin 18:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

   Done! All created! Pmlineditor I ♥ Gobby! 12:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

That's all after a first look --Barras (talk) 21:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I only had a short look:

• per annum: link (to wiktionary?) or replace with an English term.

•  Fixed the template. Pmlineditor I ♥ Gobby! 09:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

  Slightly changed it some more. Goblin 09:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• The idea that in some stations there are same-platform changes between different lines could be expanded; it is an interesting concept.--Eptalon (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Barras Pt. 2

• On the Tube map it is a light blue colour. - not sure, but ptobably On the Tube map it is a light blue coloured?

   Fixed I think, I reworded it. Goblin 12:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• hump-backed - isn't really simple.

   Not done - No, it's not simple, but it's explained in the next couple of sentences. Goblin 12:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• There was also a proposal for an extension from Victoria to Fulham Broadway station on the District Line later but this was not included in the Bill. - before the but a comma?

   Fixed Goblin 12:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Construction work began in 1962 on the Walthamstow–Victoria section. - I guess, that "The construction work began in 1962 on the Walthamstow–Victoria section." would work too. Sounds better to me.

   Fixed - Reworded the sentence. Goblin 12:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• The using of commas seems to me a bit odd like "on August 4 1967 to build"... (no comma?)

   Not done - Don't think this is needed, seems ok to me, see if anyone else comments on it. Goblin 12:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• rearranged - perhabs with en-dash.

   Fixed Goblin 12:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• In some cases this was achieved by placing the Victoria line platforms on either side of the existing station, while in others the Victoria line uses one of the older platforms and the existing line was diverted into a new platform. - absolutely too long.

   Fixed, split into two sentences. Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• northbound - not really simple.
• (with the Northern line) - why is Nothern line not linked?

  No need to overlink, it's linked above ("Northern line (Bank branch)"). Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• the same for (with the Piccadilly line).

  As above, though linked explicitly as "Piccadilly line". Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• narrower - simple?

  "Narrow" is on BE850, so this one should be ok. Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• fitted - simple?

  Thought this would be simple myself, but it's not on BE850 or BE1500 so i'll wikt: it. Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• In recent years, this has been remedied at Brixton (2004) and Vauxhall (2006) where an additional escalator has been installed in place of the fixed stairway. - should be with ref. and what is "recent years" in 10 years? not encyclopaedic.

   Fixed, removed the weasel words and added a ref. Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• congestion - simple?

  Wikt:'d in the first instance, Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• stop to Herne Hill. Herne Hill station - poor wording. the second name should be changed to "it".

   Fixed - Reworded. Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• However this would be expensive - there is a comma missing, I guess.

   Fixed - added comma. Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• overcrowding - simple?

  "Overcrowded" is wikt:'d above. Goblin 12:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

--Barras || talk 21:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Fr33kman's Review

Words and terms to be linked, inline explained or simplified

motif(s), ceremony, busiest, underground (is "underground" simple, "under the ground" is, but ...?), energy, metres, concept, proposed, proposal, extension, integrated, Minister of Transport, legend, Preparatory, non-descript, recesses, wikt:distinguish, peak period, articulated, wikt:overhauls, redevelopment, signalling, wikt:upgrade, budget, infrastructure, congestion, remedied, wikt:unserviceable, wikt:unsightly, wikt:shortcomings, campaigned, wikt:relieve, alternative, reversing loop, eliminating, justified, cost-benefit, wikt:overcrowding, duelling venue, Abstract, decorated & depot.

• Words are linked, the redlinks just need to be fixed. Goblin 11:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

   Fixed Pmlineditor  Talk 10:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Words to change

• whilst > while, Private Bill > Private bill

  Both  Done. Goblin 21:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

Things to consider

• Legend has it ... seems non-encyclopedic.

   Fixed - I got rid of it :). Goblin 20:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• These humps allow trains to store gravitational potential energy as they slow down whilst going up the hill into the station, and release it when they leave a station and go down the hill. needs to be explained a bit better. It implies that some technological gizmo is storing the energy and releasing it rather than it being a design feature that simply uses inertia to go up the hill and gravity to increase the speed going down the hill.

  Possibly  Fixed, though i'm not sure... Goblin 20:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

• I've altered the wording a bit. It now says what I think it should but pleae cechk the wording to see if it flows well. fr33kman ^talk 19:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

• Yeh that looks good :). Thanks for the help. Goblin 19:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!

• Legend has it that a person in the planning department said that "Victoria line" sounded "just right" at which point it was chosen as the working title of the new line. this needs a citation really,

   Fixed - I got rid of it :). Goblin 20:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Kennedy!

That's about it. Good luck! fr33kman ^talk 01:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

TRM's PVGA stuff

Okay, on top of the complex words Fr33kman's pointed out (so I won't point any more for the time being), some additional comments.

• " London Underground system" not sure "system" is required, if it is, it needs linking.

  It's debatable really. I'll keep it in for clarity, and have linked it. Goblin 13:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

  Actually, i've gone with network, as it works better and is used elsewhere in the article - albeit without linking. Goblin 13:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

  Created transport network. Pmlineditor I ♥ Gobby! 16:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

• "deep-level line" not clear what "line" means in this context - perhaps you need to accentuate the idea it's a railway/metro/underground train line?

   Fixed Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Don't think you need the Zones in the lead, potentially confusing - these Zones are only for the Underground, not for London as a whole. Maybe expand on them later?

   Fixed Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "where the whole line is run underground" - "which is completely underground"?

   Fixed Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "hill into the station, and release " split at the comma. "They then release ...."

   Fixed Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "platform built for the Victoria Line from new is " "new platform built for the Victoria line is..."

   Fixed Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Move that platform sentence up to behind the hump stuff so the passenger numbers comes aftewards, more logical.

   Fixed Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "Walthamstow — Victoria " I think this would be better as "Walthamstow–Victoria", i.e. an unspaced en-dash, per en.wiki's en:WP:DASH.

   Fixed Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Image caption for airshaft is complex, needs simplification and linking where required.

  Doing a general Image change-around/re-shuffle, so may get rid of this one entirely. Goblin 13:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

  It's since been deleted. hmwithτ 17:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• "build ups " hyphenate.

   Fixed Goblin 20:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• Be consistent on what "Victoria" links to, and don't overlink it.

   Fixed Goblin 20:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

• You'll need some more articles on more stations, such as Walthamstow (Hoe Street).

   Fixed - Hoe Street = Central, so i've reworded the article to make this clearer. Goblin 20:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• I'd be confused by "British Railways" (is that the same as British Rail? it needs a link in either case), "National Rail" and "Underground" being used together. I think perhaps some explanations as to what is what?

   Fixed - I linked Underground, National Rail and British Railways, does that help? Goblin 13:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!

• Per others, History section needs citations.

   Doing... Goblin 18:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Yotty!

• Keep date formats consistent, and no need for the actual day of the week.

   Fixed I think, though I might have missed some. Goblin 12:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• You can make "5d (five old pence = 2.08p)" a lot more elegant, and link it. We probably should have a LSD (pounds/shilling/pence) article here, and also sterling pence.
•  Fixed Goblin 13:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!
• Opening section needs to consider merging paras, right now it's just four disjointed paras.

  Possibly  Fixed? Not sure, couldn't really see what else could be done. Goblin 12:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

  I made it into 2. It seems to flow the best that way. hmwithτ 17:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• You need to explain what "peak periods" are.

   Fixed hmwithτ 17:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• Refs 8 and 9 should be the other side of the punctuation.

   Fixed Goblin 10:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "Overhauls" why in caps?

   Fixed Goblin 10:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "It'll " It will - avoid contractions.

   Fixed Goblin 20:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Fr33kman!

That'll do for now. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• "under-the-ground"? stick with underground and link it to an appropriate simple wiktionary article.

   Fixed

• Deep Level in infobox should be Deep level.

   Fixed

• "as they enter them and" perhaps just "as they arrive"?

   Fixed and also a tyop Pmlineditor  Talk 17:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• Is "Working Party" really simple?

   Fixed

• "main purpose" - simple?

   Fixed

• "necessary for construction was" - "needed to build it"?

   Fixed

• "bill" or "Bill"?

   Fixed

• Link construction.

   Fixed

• "visited tunnel workings" not 100% convinced that "workings" is clear.

   Fixed possibly. Goblin 21:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

• approval isn't simple.

   Fixed

• For VGA, significant terms need linking so I'd expect to link Brixton Extension and Bessborough Gardens.

  Brixton Extension should already be mentioned in the article... if not i'll add in a section, it's certainly not significant enough for it's own article as it relates to this article. I'll look into it. Bessborough Gardens probably should be linked though... Goblin 17:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Chenzw!

  Having to say a  Not done to this, I can't find anything relating to the Gardens except what's in my book, there's no enwiki article, and not being from Vauxhall I don't know much about them. Could probably be removed though... Goblin 20:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "Preparatory work had already been carrying on at a site on Bessborough Gardens near to Vauxhall Bridge Road since May 1967 and on June 28 1968, Richard Marsh, then Minister of Transport approved the proposal to build a station at Pimlico.[6]" is a long sentence for simple English.

   Fixed Goblin 20:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• "was designed to try and get rid of" -> "to try to get rid of".

   Fixed hmwithτ 17:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• Is "terminate" linked?

   Fixed - Linked to wiktionary, but i've not created it as I know nothing about it :S Goblin 21:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

• "although they are in fact, " -"in fact" is redundant here.

•  Fixed hmwithτ 17:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• " (with the Piccadilly line). [6]" remove the space before the citation.

   Fixed hmwithτ 17:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• "tiled" needs linking or explanation.

   Fixed Goblin 20:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Opening section has no references at all.

  Kind of  Fixed, it has 5. Pmlineditor  Talk 17:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• "The idea was dropped because of difficulties in transferring the stock to Acton Works for heavy overhauls." not exactly simple..

   Fixed Goblin 12:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!

• 1967 stock is overlinked.

   Fixed Removed 3 links. Pmlineditor  Talk 17:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• The Future section could use a copyedit to simplify it and more references in general.

   Doing... Goblin 17:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

   Done Goblin 20:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• The image of 2009 stock is great but it needs captions/explanation.

   Fixed Goblin 19:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• This may be a big ask, but the map of the Victoria line has a lot of images in it, like a Circle Line roundel. It would be BRILLIANT if this linked to the Circle line article, rather than the roundel image page.

  I'll change them all into clickable images now. Goblin 17:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Juliancolton!

   Done with the exception of the National Rail stations as i'm going to sort out a replacement image. Goblin 19:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Motif - why all in italics?

   Fixed hmwithτ 17:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• Typo - Victorial lines...

   Fixed Don't seem to see it. It must have been fixed. hmwithτ 17:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• Date formats in the references should be the same format, so accessdates and dates should be either both ISO or both human-readable...

   Fixed

That's a good start...! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Images in table

It would be nice if we could make them "float" rather than making text have huge spaces between lines. hmwithτ 17:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure how to do this... they used to be in a Gallery which imo was better as they could be seen more clearly, and it allowed for the variations, but this was removed per the first section on this page. I'll look for a better situation. Goblin 18:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC) I ♥ Shappy!