User talk:Tropical Storm Angela/Archive 2

Big Olympic Weekend

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		Thank you for the contributions you made during the Big Olympic Weekend! Tbennert (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and a request

Hi, September 1988. Thanks for all your new articles about actors and actresses. Some of them have brought back pleasant memories!

I just wanted to ask if you would use the word many instead of the word numerous when you create articles. Numerous is not a simple word, and I think more people would understand the word many. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 20:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing biographies

Hi Angela. I hope you are doing well. I have to bring something up with you about some biographies of living people that you created recently: Brenda Ann Spencer and Andrea Yates. It is important that those kinds of articles have reliable sources that support such negative claims about these people. I have no doubt that it's all true, because you're a very trustworthy editor. But to keep our wiki in compliance with the Wikimedia Foundation's policies, "a person or biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced" must be removed or deleted. Instead of doing that, I added references this time. But for the future, I must please ask that you include some yourself. If you have any questions about any of this, please let me know. Kindly, Osiris (talk) 06:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you for the response! Take care, Osiris (talk) 07:21, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Given names

It was a great idea to create all those articles about given names. They're a great addition here! I would like to ask you to use simpler language, though. For example, these words and phrases could be simpler:

• countless
• multiple
• variant
• origin
• highly

Also, please try to use shorter sentences. Often where you use a semicolon to separate parts of a sentence, it would be better to use a period and make two separate sentences. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 17:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Suspicious accounts

Copied from Osiris' Talk page.

Sorry, they are part of a school project. I usually announce when we have in-class editing, but I forgot this time. They are non-native speakers of English. Anything really terrible will get some improvement soon enough. Sorry for any confusion. PS, if you want to correct their English, please do. That could be very helpful, but please be gentle. ELTted (talk) 00:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia (Old) to Simple Wikipedia

Would it be okay to get content from the 2002/2003/2004/2005 Wikipedia? In those days, Wikipedia had a lot of simple English talk. Gaz and Gaming Fan (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Naming

Hi. c: I noticed that you've been making a number of articles for films recently, and I think they're definitely nice additions. I was wondering about the naming conventions for them, specifically articles like Big Business and Greedy, where the names are also common English terms. Would it be better to name them with a (movie) in the title, even though an article for the common English definition does not exist? (I'm not the most familiar with naming conventions, sorry.) [+piccolo] 05:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually, yes in some cases it would. The word movie will be required for some of the pages. September 1988 (talk) 06:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

All right, thank you. c: I will leave you to decide which of those need the (movie) suffix. [+piccolo] 06:34, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

A couple of comments about movie articles

Your movie articles are improving! It would help if you would make them even simpler. Here are some suggestions:

• Sentences should be short. Each sentence should be about one thing. For example, information about release date, reviews, and how much money a movie made should be in separate sentences.
• Use basic words for their basic meaning. For example, the basic meaning of the word star is the kind of star that is in the sky. Using it to mean an actor is a metaphor, and is not simple language.

I'll break in here to say this is nonsense. It is not possible to use a language without using metaphors, and many metaphors are, in everyday use, more common than their original meaning. Star is an example of this. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

It is not nonsense. Metaphors are an important part of language, but we are supposed to be keeping things simple here. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

• In the first sentence, say that the subject is a movie. If you just say it's a comedy (or thriller, or drama, etc.), you could be talking about a book, play, TV show, or something similar.

One other thing: it would help if you put the titles in italics. In the text of the article, you do that by putting two apostrophes on each side of the title. (The first time the title is used in an article, you use 5 apostrophes so that it is also in bold.) To get the main article title to display in italics, put {{italictitle}} at the top of the article.

Thanks a lot! --Auntof6 (talk) 23:56, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, be careful when using the word "like". For example, "They represented with had hit songs like All Night Long and In My House." The colloquial (often/commonly used) meaning of "like" would be "For example", but we need to try to avoid colloquial usage of words and terms because it can get confusing. Their hit songs were not like "All Night Long", they were "All Night Long". Saying like means they were similar to the song. Using "Their hit songs were..." (if listing all their hits) or "Their hit songs included..." / "Some of their hit songs were..." is a less confusing way to say it.

"He dated a lot of many girls like Beyonce and Rhiana" - Did he date them or did he date girls like them? It is hard to know by reading that statement. --Creol(talk) 16:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Birth places in articles about people

I've noticed that a lot of the articles you write about people say that the person was born "near" a place, rather than "in" a place. For example, your recent article on Peri Gilpin says she was born "near" Waco, Texas, whereas other sources (for example, IMDB) say "in" Waco. Is there a reason you say "near" instead of "in"? I can see that we might not have the exact birth places for some people, but not as many as I see this in. Please let me know. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Simplifying and attribution

Thanks for all the new articles you've been creating. You certainly have diverse interests! Please remember to include attribution when you base an article on the English Wikipedia article. I'm sure you know that's a legal requirement, and that you just forgot.

Please also remember that articles on Simple English Wikipedia should be in simple language. Simple language isn't just using simple words. It's also using simple sentence structure. In general, shorter sentences are better, and each sentence should be about one thing. In a couple of your recent articles, the version here was actually less simple than the enwiki article. That's because sentences were combined instead of being kept separate. That resulted in sentences being about more than one thing. Here's an example:

• On enwiki: Purr features a variety of scents, including citrus fruits. Released in November 2010, it is available in a purple cat-shaped bottle.

The first sentence is about one thing, the scents. The second sentence is about two things, the release date and the bottle.

• Here: The perfume is available in many scents and was released in November 2010 in cat-shaped bottles.

This combines all three things into one sentence, which is more complex.

• One possible way to simplify: The perfume is available in many scents. It was released in November 2010. It comes in cat-shaped bottles.

I know that might not sound as good, but it's what we need here.

Anyway, feel free to let me know if you'd like more information about this. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Articles about actors

I see you're keeping busy adding to our biographies of actors! Some of them bring back fond memories of movies and TV shows that I haven't thought of in a long time. :) You often have a sentence like, "She represented as Tiger Lily in Peter Pan." "Represented as" is not correct English. It should say, "She played Tiger Lily in Peter Pan". I wonder, are you possibly translating these from another language where the expression translates to "represented as"? I ask because languages are an interest of mine, and if that's the case I'd be interested to know what language it is. Just curious! --Auntof6 (talk) 11:40, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

There is no language from which I'm translating anything. However, I'm happy to use more simple terminology here.September 1988 (talk) 12:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Current Events Barnstar
		I am not sure if you make contributions to current events. But anyway, here you go! Aaqib 22:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Given name articles

I've been copy editing and simplifying some of your articles, and I'd like to point out some things I've found in several of them that could be simpler or worded better. (In the examples "X" stands for the name.)

• Instead of "X is a girl given name" (incorrect English), say either "female given name" or "feminine given name".
• Instead of "the name represents" (incorrect English), say "the name means".
• Instead of "famous people who go under the name include", say "people named X include"

Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 10:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

A discussion that might interest you

Since you have been creating given name articles, you might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Simple talk#Category:Given names encyclopedic?. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Quick deletion of Lesbianism in erotica

The page you wrote, Lesbianism in erotica, has been selected for quick deletion. If you think this page should be kept, please add {{wait}} below the line {{QD}} and say why on the talk page. If the page is already gone, but you think this was an error, you can ask for it to be undeleted. You can find more information about the reason here. Auntof6 (talk) 07:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Using English Wikipedia articles to create articles here

When you base an article here on an article at English Wikipedia, you must give attribution. That is a way to give credit to the source of the article. I know that can be a pain, but it's a legal requirement. To learn about giving attribution, see Wikipedia:Transwiki attribution. Please be sure to do this so that your articles don't get deleted. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

You're right, Auntof6. It's a pain, but I'll be certain to attribute the article to English Wikipedia from now on. September 1988 (talk) 10:15, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I see you've been doing this and it's much appreciated! --Auntof6 (talk) 01:01, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Notes on your recent articles

I've been copy editing and simplifying the articles you create (and thank you for the articles!), and I want to give you a few notes.

• When you talk about the plot of a movie, you often use the word "regards", as in "the story of the movie regards", or "the subject regards". This is not correct English. The simplest way to say it is "the movie is about".
• In a couple of movie articles where you give the release date, you mention the season and put it in capital letters (for example, "Summer" or "Spring"). In English, the seasons are not capitalized unless they are the first word in a sentence, or they are in the title of something.
• The three articles I checked earlier today had interwiki language links in them. Those links are now kept in Wikidata, not in individual articles. If you would like help learning to put the links in Wikidata, I have written some instructions here. Let me know if those instructions are not clear so I can improve them.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 04:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Quick deletion of 21 & Over

The page you wrote, 21 & Over, has been selected for quick deletion. If you think this page should be kept, please add {{wait}} below the line {{QD}} and say why on the talk page. If the page is already gone, but you think this was an error, you can ask for it to be undeleted. You can find more information about the reason here. Auntof6 (talk) 09:41, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Lisa Robin Kelly

Thanks for this new article. I just wanted to let you know that I changed one of the categories. She died in Altadena, not Los Angeles. Altadena is in Los Angeles County, but Category:Deaths in Los Angeles is for deaths in the city of Los Angeles. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Notes on keeping articles simple

I've simplified several of your recent articles recently. I'd appreciate it if you look at the changes I made. Here are some of the articles I'm talking about:

• Concord, Massachusetts
• Hartford Courant
• Red Lobster
• University of Rhode Island
• Double play

Here are some specific notes about the changes I made:

• The words used should be simple. Some of the complex words you used are within, regarded, extremely, primary, principal, and continuous. I can't really give a complete list of complex words, though. You might want to use one of the readability tools to check your text.
• Phrases should be simple. Part of being simple means not using more words than needed. For example, I changed "not that far away from" to "near" in Concord, Massachusetts.
• Sentences should be simple. That often means they should be shorter. One idea per sentence is best.
• When the article here comes from an enwiki article and it mentions the month and/or year that something started, please say "in" instead of "around". For example, the enwiki article for Red Lobster says it was founded "in March 1968". You changed that to "around March of 1968". That changes the meaning. The way you wrote it means that it might have been March 1968, or it might have been in some other month near that time.
• Don't say the subject is "notable for" something. We are supposed to "show notability", but we don't want to use that phrase in the articles. For example, in Concord, Massachusetts you said, "The town is extremely notable for playing significant roles in the history of America. The town was the primary battle scene during the American Revolutionary War." That's two sentences just to say there was a major battle there. Instead of that, just say there was a major battle. I know we have other articles that say things like "notable for", but they shouldn't.

Again, please look at the changes I made to see examples of these things and others. Feel free to ask me if you have any question about what I did. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 10:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Please simplify your articles!

Thanks for your recent articles. You still need to work on making them simple.

I have simplified these:

• Fat Girl
• Bath, Maine

I would like you to simplify these:

• Social isolation
• Runaway (dependent)

I feel like I keep asking you to make your articles simpler, but I don't seem to be getting through. What would help you to create simpler articles? --Auntof6 (talk) 21:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Auntof6. You know, it's not always easy to find the right words. Simple words are sometimes tricky. Also, shorter sentences may be needed, but if sentences are too short, I fear that the article may be rendered rather worthless. I've got learning troubles, so sometimes I may need major help for finding better words on Simple English articles. September 1988 (talk) 03:53, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I can understand that, although I don't understand how shorter sentences would make an article worthless here. I just find myself copy editing and simplifying your articles so much that I'm trying to think of something that would help. I've given you some specific notes in the past, but you don't use them. Maybe you could use one of the readability calculators to check your articles before you create them. Maybe you'd actually enjoy working on English Wikipedia instead, where there isn't a requirement to keep things simple. Can you think of anything else that would help you? --Auntof6 (talk) 04:19, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi again. I'm moving the messages you left on my talk page back here so that the conversation is all in one place. If you reply, please reply here.

I'm sorry to keep nagging about this, but the articles really need to be simpler. I have just simplified several of your new articles. Here are some specific notes from those.

• Some of the non-simple words you used were: among, considerably, primary, exhibit, prohibited, feature, editorial, sufficient, and cease.
• When saying what a movie is about, just say "The movie is about". Don't use phrases like "the subjects within this movie look at" or "the stories inside this movie look at". Those phrases are not only complex, they are also not correct English.
• Use shorter sentences. It's best to have only one idea per sentence. For example, in Don't Worry, Be Happy, you had the sentence "It was released in September 1988, and its popularity has increased since then." That is two ideas. One idea is the release date. The other idea is that the song has gotten more popular. Those should be in separate sentences.

I strongly suggest that you start using one of the online tools that tell you how complex your text is. You can find a list of them at Wikipedia:Aids for writing Simple English#Textual difficulty I don't know offhand what levels we aim for, but I will find out for you. You can also find more information about writing simple text at Wikipedia:How to write Simple English pages and Wikipedia:Examples of simpler English. I'm getting quite frustrated with this. If things don't improve, I am going to consider removing your patroller right. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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RfD nomination of Cinephilia

An editor has requested deletion of Cinephilia, an article you created. We appreciate your changes, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Please comment on the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2013/Cinephilia and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also change the article during the discussion to address the nominator's concerns. But you should not remove the requests for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you very much. Only (talk) 01:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

References

Hi Angela. I seriously think that you should start putting at least one source in each of your biographical articles. In your two most recent creations, Nina Davuluri and 2 Live Crew, there are non-specific references to "controversies"; and it's tough to say whether WP:BLPREMOVE should apply. If there were some sources there, it wouldn't be a problem. A maintenance tag is not a good thing; it means that someone else has to put in time and energy to make the page comply with WP:BLP policies. If you take a quick look through this maintenance category, you might recognise a lot of articles that you created. Osiris (talk) 19:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Osiris has given you a brownie! The references in your new biographies are fantastic! Thank you so much for helping us out with this! 21:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Patroller right removed

Angela, I have removed your patroller right because your new articles still usually need cleanup and copy editing. Please see the changes people have made to them and previous posts here on your talk page for specifics. Please continue creating new articles, though. Removing the patroller right will help make sure that people who patrol new pages look at your new articles and do whatever copy editing is needed. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have about this. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:31, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey Auntof6. I'm very sorry about you removing my patroller rights. The problem, however, is that I have always tried by best for making things simple, though I don't always know the true words that may be that simple. The problem, Auntof6, is that I have Attention Deficit/Hyperactive Issues, Unipolar Depression and Learning Troubles. I'll try editing and creating articles under my best talent, you know. Happy Thanksgiving 2013. September 1988 13:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure you try your best, and I'm sorry about your health problems. It's amazing that you contribute here with all those issues! Not everyone needs to have the patroller right. You can make very good contributions without having that right. You have made some good pages that just need a little help, and it will be easier for people who check new pages to find the ones that need a little editing.

By the way, when you reply to something on a talk page, please reply on the same talk page so that the conversation stays in one place. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 00:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Page semi protection

Can someone please semi protect Archive 1 and this one? I wanna also use the archive header although I don't know how. September 1988 10:06, 28 November 2013 (UTC)