User talk:Fylbecatulous/Archive 1

Welcome Hello! I am assuming you have come over from the English Wikipedia, so you are probably familiar with the way this wiki works. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. Here are a few links to help you adjust: An English Wikipedian's guide Writing in Simple English Simple talk: our help desk, reference desk and village pump- in one page How to copy from English Wikipedia A very incomplete list of our active editors There is much to do here. For example, there are a lot of articles that do not exist yet, which you can bring over from the English Wikipedia and simplify. Do have a look around and see what you would like to do. Thank you for joining us, and you know how to contact me if you need help. Osiris (talk) 18:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC) Bing Russell Thanks for this new article, and thanks for giving the attribution on the talk page. You probably didn't know, but when you give attribution, you need to give the exact version of the article that your article was based on. You have given a link that will go to the current version of the article, whatever that happens to be when someone clicks on it. You can get the exact version that you used in one of two ways. If the enwp article has not changed from the version you used as a basis for the article here, then go to the enwp article and click on "Permanent link". You can find that in the sidebar, in the "toolbox" section. Copy the URL that appears and use that in your attribution. If the enwp article has changed, then go to the history of the enwp article. Find the version that you used, and click on the date and time for it. When the article comes up, copy the URL and use that in your attribution. Thanks for taking care of this. I know it can be a pain, but it's very important because it's a legal issue. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)  Fixed Charlie Kunz Hi, again, and thanks for your article on Charlie Kunz. I noticed that the attribution you gave on the talk page did not have the specific version of the English Wikipedia article that was used. Instead, it links to the entire history of the article. Please specify the exact version by following the steps I gave you above for Bing Russell. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)  Fixed I am so sorry! I forgot to click on "permanent link". Sheesh! I just knew I was going to do this correctly this time. I am really not this poorly an editor. I was thinking of you the whole time I was working on this. Should have referred to your instructions. Thanks for adding categories. Now that I am stalking you, I notice you are working in your user-space on a How-to page and have a section titled: Interwiki interlanguage links for new pages. I am aware this needs to be done now for Mr. Kunz. May I attempt to try to link? I think he has pages on two other languages already. I am willing to make a stab at this.... thanks again.ツ Fylbecatulous talk 18:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Yes, please go ahead! I'm writing that how-to page more for other people than for me. Let me know if you have any trouble with it. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 19:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Well actually I have hit a flaw. I have clicked on add links and it continually says: You need to be logged in. You need to be logged in on this wiki and in the central data repository to use this feature. I have sign-ins across all wikis, so I have duly followed the sign in link to Wikidata and still have their main page up, signed in. Yet everytime I click on add links, I get the same routine. Even though I am signed in, it blocks me. Curiously, when I went to his article on English, and click on change links I can get to his page on Wikidata and he is indeed listed in: Deutsch de Charlie Kunz English en Charlie Kunz Nederlands nl Charlie Kunz It would let me add Simple English to the list from there, but I do not dare. Should I do it from there to link us? Why is Wikidata not recognizing that I am signed in? Fylbecatulous talk 19:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC) I don't know why it's not letting you use the method I described, but you can go ahead and add the se entry from the Wikidata page. That would have the same result. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Hurray, the deed is done! That surely worked. He is linked up here, there and everywhere. But I am curious. I even whilst I was waiting, went to try to link up any other new article page that has just come across here on Simple. No luck. I am fairly tenacious and crafty and wasn't even going to ride off and get an iced tea before I solved this! But if this adversely affected me, it might another poor frustrated editor. Should your list say if all else fails, add from another language? All the best. Fylbecatulous talk 19:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC) ┌─────────────────────────────────┘ Yes, I knew the way I described wasn't the only way to do it. I started with the simplest way. I also just started the how-to page, and I appreciate you helping me troubleshoot it! I wonder if the problems you're having have something to do with your account. Do you have a unified login? --Auntof6 (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Yes, that's what I was stumbling to say above. I can sign in to all wikis with unified login. As a clue, from here I can go to any established article, such as Count Basie and click on "change links" and it will take me to the corresponding Wikidata page. As another laugh, even as Wikidata was making me sign into the little box (that never worked) I could see the Main Page with me already signed in. Fylbecatulous talk 20:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC) over-linked? I'm wondering why you linked 'psychology' and 'psychologists' on every page in the psychology category. Very common word post-Second World War. Surely if a page is in the psychology category, a person in doubt could explore the category. And if 'psychology' is linked, why would 'psychologists' need linking? English wiki Manual of Style/linking suggests "Care should be taken to avoid both underlinking and overlinking, as described below". However, I'm not suggesting it's wrong to put in the links, but am curious as to why you decided to do it. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC) I'm wondering why you are so fretful over what I am doing. This is a quote from our Main page talk: Is the word "psychology" simple English? Can everyone understand what the word means? Frogger48 (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC) I happened to read it on the day I edited Frustration to make the beginning simpler. It involves psychology. I said to myself "this is actually a really good question. This being Simple English after all, perhaps some readers might not. It might be simple to me, but not to all who try to read an article and come across the term". So I returned and linked "psychology" in that article. We actually have a pretty good article on psychology. Why not link to it? So then I decided to search for use of the word "psychology" in our articles and link to the article, if not already done. Then, I soon encountered the word "psychologist" in one of the articles I looked up, and low and behold, we have an article on that too. So I linked it. Is "psychologist" something that is readily understood to our audience and if not, why not link to a perfectly good article to give clarity? I'm not working through the category on psychology. I am going through the search field for use of the word "psychology" in articles. So your hypothetical person in doubt might not be referring to the category, but to an individual article: such as Frustration. That seems a common article one would want to look up and read, without wanting to explore the entire psychology category. I always have a reason for whatever I do, and if you want to ask; I can certainly answer. Please reply as to your state of curiosity. I don't want you using up a cat's nine lives over me. Since I know you like physics articles; might you take a look at the Frustration article and simplify the physics part of it? I can't make heads or tails of what it is saying. I did the first paragraph on psychological use (which is how we ended up in this talk). ツ All the best, Fylbecatulous talk 12:17, 16 October 2013 (UTC) Thanks For this. :) Yottie =talk= 14:58, 13 December 2013 (UTC) Hi! You are very welcome. All the best to you, Fylbecatulous talk 13:55, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Creating maintenance/cleanup categories Thanks for creating Category:BLPs needing more sources from April 2014. You probably didn't know, but there is a template that should be used when you create this type of category. In most cases, you just type {{MonthlyCleanupCat}} in the page and save it. That template will determine what categories the new category needs to be in, and put standard heading information on the page as well. I have done that for this category, but please keep this in mind if you create any more of these categories. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 21:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC) Hi again, and thank you. I knew something was not quite right after I created it because it landed under letter B in the monthly list and all else was not. But four articles had magically landed in the category... Alas, I had to dash off to an appointment (for which I was late) and leave it un-figured-out. I actually created this one with the Article Wizard because it is the first I ever desired to have. That actually wasn't much help at all and I had no inkling about the template. So what I typed in the space in the Wizard was BLPs needing more sources from April 2014. I didn't create from a red-link empty page like I would for a new article. I have looked at your change and see you have replaced my text with MonthlyCleanupCat and markup. I have clicked on the template and yes, it does make sense, but I don't believe I would have discovered it in my hunt for the correct method of category creation. I have it saved for future use, so I can get it right from now on if needed. Thanks for your help and your message. Once again, I so don't like to be a bother. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 01:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC) No problem. Nobody knows about those if they haven't seen them before, and we usually catch them. If you're going to create a category that's similar to other categories, or part of a set, it can help to take a look to see how the others were done. Other types of categories that are set up with templates are chronology categories, such as those for births, deaths, establishments, and disestablishments. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC) Live Through This Hey. One of my favourite albums also. Created it because of the recent media coverage. In a few days there's actually going to be a party in my city to celebrate the anniversary of its release! Shiningroad (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC) Ah. Yes, so it is. I actually saw Hole right after its release in 1994. In a ragged, rough venue that held about 1500. Unforgettable... Fylbecatulous talk 18:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC) I wasn't even born then... Shiningroad (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2014 (UTC) Well, enjoy the party this time! Fylbecatulous talk 23:15, 21 April 2014 (UTC) Period TV RfD Would you please edit your text at this RfD to remove your comments about what you personally enjoy? The comments should be kept simple and to the point. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:33, 3 May 2014 (UTC) I think his point was to give examples to explain what a period television series is, and to show that the cat will, if kept, be populated. Jim Michael (talk) 11:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)  Done. . sigh... I am sad that I have been fussed at over this. Jim Michael understands my intent. Even if it was misguided. Sorry for messing up, once again. Fylbecatulous talk 12:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC) Pst lef A Blacktabby Maine Coon And some "tiger cats" for comparison. Group W Thanks! This article - Resurrection is still weird - but it was weirder before. Could you just please take a look at it? -American Cocker Spaniel- this too? Hafspajen (talk) 00:25, 16 August 2014 (UTC) Certainly. This might require coffee for breakfast instead of tea. ツ I shall delve in momentarily... Fylbecatulous talk 09:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC) Hafspajen , please see what you think now. Your theology is spot on accurate. As you are now learning, explaining all this in Simple English is another matter altogether. I picked up a bit more from English Wiki regarding the ancient Greek mythology and added it. In the Christian section, I left your theology intact in thought and meaning. It is simplified some and text has been sorted around in location for better reading. Feel free to tinker now as you wish - Fylbecatulous talk 12:36, 19 August 2014 (UTC) Lamb of God is a metal band from Richmond, Virginia??? Well, that is their busines, but we then? We can't seriously have an article Lamb of God that redirects to them... We have to make real one soon - thanks for helping out, by the way. Hafspajen (talk) 10:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Is this you? It depends. Do you mean the hostile cat or the grim man? - BOTH..? We can haz happy pills? ... Hafspajen , this type of naming began because of some Christians in the 1980's and even now saying that heavy metal music is from the devil and worships him. So some metal and death metal bands would name themselves Eucharist, Angel, Nazareth, Heaven, Jerusalem, Saint, Messiah, I think to make fun of that. Of course, most are named sacrilegious names that if I list any here, I would need to hang crosses and sprinkle holy water. Fylbecatulous talk 12:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC) 'By the way there is a guy called User:TonyTheTiger. François Boucher - how am I doing? Hafspajen (talk) 23:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Hafspajen , François Boucher is looking good ツ All you need is to add a 'references' section and the reflist template. I am going to start leaving a talkback the old fashioned way, on your talk page, because I can't ping you with Giovanni and putting user name in brackets doesn't notify here. (Just in case you don't check back at my page... Fylbecatulous talk 00:24, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Sheesh! But now you have to remove the template because it doesn't say Giovanni. (facepalm). I won't do that again... I will just assume you will check back here if you talked to me here. Laughing out loud. Anyway, you have done good work. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 00:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC) No ready made on that either... Hafspajen (talk) 10:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC) I realise this. So much for lovely Wiki Markup... Fylbecatulous talk 00:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC) You have it on Monsieur François. Fylbecatulous talk 00:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Stripes Happy pills at work... Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC) Actually, I guess I am that tiger that looks as if he partook of some soothing drugs...Fylbecatulous talk 00:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC) 'Some Have Entertained Angels Unawares', watercolor painting by Edward Clifford. I am happy. See what I accomplished today? Buttered cat paradox. Fylbecatulous talk 01:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC) BRAVO!!! Ha ha ... That WAS funny... Cheers... (Gerrit van Honthorst is missing, of course) --Hafspajen (talk) 07:54, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Thank you, muchly. In order to write this article, I had to begin with creating the Cat righting reflex article first. There is a good aminated image on the English wiki article of the cat twisting itself around. I wasn't sure if I should use it since it is animated. I haven't seen too many here in articles that continually move... Fylbecatulous talk 13:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC) OK, I am not wanted here, so I quit. But for God's sake, take a look at the English wiki att our papillon article. Until I am Wikihounded there by Coat, I will not edit much there - and here I am not welcomed. But save the Papilon, please, those pics are - "I put My pet on Wiki - style. Not needed. --Hafspajen (talk) 10:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC) Fylbecatulous talk 13:10, 26 August 2014 (UTC) I doesn't think you is bad. You just has fangs, thatz all. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC) Sminthopsis84, (Laughing). Yes, I do. Sometimes here, it seems they might come in handy. Thanks. Fylbecatulous talk 17:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC) It must be quite a challenge to look after them here with dental floss getting into strange places. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC) muttnik Limonchik...even though she was not coming back, she tried to be a good girl More drama at FP. is it me who pulls bad luck over people? :Girl? yes. --Hafspajen (talk) 08:39, 9 September 2014 (UTC) Sheesh. Really? I had better go look. I have taken a vow of silence for Mondays...Thanks. Fylbecatulous talk 12:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC) a gift of sweet Abyssians for you... 4 Abyssian kittens I was thrilled to see you stop by my page. And you are quite welcome. I really enjoy the articles you are working on. I hope that we may be friends here. All the best to you and yours!!! ciao!!! Carriearchdale (talk) 03:20, 26 September 2014 (UTC) Carriearchdale, thank you. This is a wonderful gift. See you soon! ツ Fylbecatulous talk 23:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC) Some Russian blues for you... RB kitten Good to see you on SEWP again. Have a great evening! ciao!!! Carriearchdale 03:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC) Carriearchdale, thank you for more lovely cats (meow..) and for the blessing. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 03:50, 11 November 2014 (UTC) Welcome! Some cookies to welcome you! Welcome to Wikipedia, Fylbecatulous! I'm Carriearchdale and an active editor here. Thank you for your changes, especially what you did for Michelle Lamoreaux. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia again! I am hoping you will have the best of the holiday seasons, EVER!!! Carriearchdale 14:23, 29 November 2014 (UTC) I bring you these lovely cookies so that you may enjoy them with your tea sometime today. Please enjoy!!! Carriearchdale 14:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC) Thank you. added wikilove to your page. Happy holidays! Fylbecatulous talk 15:40, 29 November 2014 (UTC) Question about watchlists here Hi Fylbe, I wonder if you can help me with a watchlist problem that I'm having here, since you edit here more often than I do. When I check my watchlist just now, the talk-pages changes don't show up, and yet I think they did show up yesterday. For example, the page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject, which I edited today, is not showing, but I edited it because I had seen that someone else had changed it, possibly on a window that was left over from yesterday. Can you see talk-page edits in your watchlist listing? (P.S.: I'm no longer missing, and I *do* love your user page kitty!) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:14, 25 April 2015 (UTC) Duly noted and happy change to caption. Okay I am looking at my watchlist and I can see these changes: (I removed a few that were vandalism and clutter and I only show the latest change, so about five I made to HD don't show) I do not have Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent. I did that for a while and it was overwhelming. *25 April 2015 (diff | hist) . . User talk:Msannakoval‎; 16:11 . . (+13)‎ . . ‎Rus793 (talk | changes)‎ (→‎Requesting review of a draft article in my sandbox) (diff | hist) . . m Wikipedia talk:WikiProject‎; 14:09 . . (-1)‎ . . ‎Sminthopsis84 (talk | changes)‎ (not my comment) (diff | hist) . . Huntington's disease‎; 13:34 . . (+3)‎ . . ‎Fylbecatulous (talk | changes)‎ (→‎Symptoms: add a wikilink) *24 April 2015 (diff | hist) . . Les Sylphides‎; 23:15 . . (-209)‎ . . ‎Fylbecatulous (talk | changes)‎ (→‎Other websites: remove dead external links) (Move log); 22:05 . . Gobonobo (talk | changes) moved page Talk:Huntington's chorea to Talk:Huntington's disease over redirect ‎(chorea is antiquated - ICD-10 identifies this as "Huntington('s) disease") (Move log); 22:05 . . Gobonobo (talk | changes) moved page Huntington's chorea to Huntington's disease over redirect ‎(chorea is antiquated - ICD-10 identifies this as "Huntington('s) disease") Sminth, So I just looked at my settings under the tab for watchlist in advanced options and I have absolutely nothing ticked. Do you happen to have Hide my changes from the watchlist ticked? Fylbecatulous talk 17:18, 25 April 2015 (UTC) Oh, I forget. This is sometimes important on Village Pump technical discussions. I use MonoBook skin. Chrome browser. Windows 7. lol. Fylbecatulous talk 17:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC) Ah, thank you for the hints. So I started systematically changing the settings back and forth, and the problem has disappeared without me having any understanding of how that happened. It is almost as though changing the settings did the trick; perhaps my settings had somehow been lost while I was inactive here. It (now) seems to work okay to combine "Hide my changes from the watchlist" with "Expand watchlist to show all changes, not just the most recent" (wish we had "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist", but that's missing here). Sorry to have bothered you about that! Thank you for the lovely mural, it must be spectacular to see it in real life! Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:08, 25 April 2015 (UTC) Sminth, Happy it worked out. Not a bother at all. ツ Anytime... The graffiti mural went up about a week ago as a way to vent some underlying frustration here; hence the sigh. I am actually enjoying it, too. You are welcome. Talk to you soon and it is awesome to see you here. (I guess we do what we can, right?) Fylbecatulous talk 11:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC) Northern Ireland Thank you for catching my mistake! Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC) Macdonald-ross, You are welcome and I am most happy for the thanks. ツ Actually, this can be like bailing out a sinking ship with a teaspoon... Fylbecatulous talk 16:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC) Just a heads-up You caught a vandal making changes to Dog articles such as "Rottweiler" &c; I'm pretty sure this is the same IP user who runs up warnings to level 4, gets blocked for a short time period, then comes back using another IP address and starts all over. The edit on "Rottweiler" that you reverted was the IP user tinkering with those minor changes back and forth. You corrected it back to an earlier case of vandalism where the user added the zeros in the templates. No matter, its harmless to the page but expect this or another IP address doing the same things to the same articles. Just so you know. User:Rus793 (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC) Rus793, hi and thanks. Yes I am familiar with this 'please accept' vandal. They plague us on the WikiProject Dog articles on English too. This is why I knew the Alsatian (dog) change was vandalism instead of just playful. And they had previously been blocked. On Rottweiler, I reverted back to a version by you that I thought was good. I will go back and find what is supposed to be correct and repair it. Sorry. Sometimes the vandalism goes through so many edits... Fylbecatulous talk 22:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC) OK, you're on top of this; good. I've been doing the same thing reverting this user under what I'm sure are a half-dozen identities; many of them blocked. I patrolled the first few "please accept" articles this user submitted. After editing it to simplewiki standards the user kept changing it back. That's where this all started here. I don't edit as much on enwiki as I used to so I didn't see it there. The addition of the zeros did nothing so I just left it. Anyway, thanks again. User:Rus793 (talk) 22:34, 8 May 2015 (UTC) Rus793, lol. read my last edit summary at Rottweiler. Even the version protected by Mac [1] had a pesky zero in it. I just copied and pasted the correct version from English and put it in. The weights and heights still correspond to what is historical for us. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 22:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC) urgent message Hey Fylbecatulous: Could you help me out on making Grumpy Old Men, Grumpier Old Men, Consenting Adults, Cat Chaser, Cyborg and Chances Are? I'm having a hard time trying to prove notability on these articles. Help me please. Angela Maureen (talk) 05:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC) .. answered on your page, Angela. articles now prove notability The articles Consenting Adults, Woman in Gold, The Longest Ride and Get Hard now claim notability. I made some improvements in each article. Do you agree? 'Cause I've worked my butt off trying to make them show notability. Angela Maureen (talk) 01:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC) .. answered on your page, Angela. RE: Jon Castañares It's done. But 1924, unsourced to year of birth too. Gorigori (talk) 14:42, 10 June 2015 (UTC) Gorigori, Yes, that is true. I did look up both sources. Yours just says he was 90 years old, without giving a birth year. Depending on his birth day and month, he could have been born in 1924 and still have been 90 on his day of death. I shall leave your change, however. Thanks for your effort. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 14:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC) dont warn me i'll leave that to rus or others thank you very much. --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC) (talk page stalker) Thahouse, if that's a good nickname, none of the other users here have been picking on you or singling you out in any way. We don't have a training program or even a complete tutorial for new users—which includes users from other projects who need to adjust to our policies and guidelines. This is a project that anyone can edit and we welcome new editors—and nobody picks on them (not for very long anyway). Editors, patrollers, and administrators are constantly dealing with a number problems to keep the wiki in good shape. We use "canned" messages, like the ones you have received. Yes, it's expedient but nobody would even bother placing one on your talk page if they didn't want to help you. Notice that it tells you where you got off-course and provides links to the appropriate pages so you can learn how to do something. There are only a few dozen of us most of the time and it's how we all learned. You may not have picked up on it yet but we're not like other wikis in several respects. We'd like to see you succeed here and we can always use good editors. Fylbecatulous is someone you could learn a lot from. Just be patient with us, ask questions, and let editors help you. Thanks for understanding. User:Rus793 (talk) 19:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC) apology sorry for being rude. Do you accept my apology? --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 13:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC) Thahouseusers2015, thank you for saying you are sorry. Yes, I accept your apology and look forward to still working with you. Wishing you all the best and happy editing, Fylbecatulous talk 14:12, 2 July 2015 (UTC) Racial segregation in the United States could you please delete this due to vandalism? thank you. --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 13:31, 2 July 2015 (UTC) Thahouseusers2015, good for you for nominating this to get deleted. Anyone can request quick deletion. I am not an administrator but I do nominate a lot of bad stuff. One of the admins then decides if to delete or not. This one surely will get deleted. Thanks. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 14:17, 2 July 2015 (UTC) morning good morning --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 12:43, 5 July 2015 (UTC) Thahouseusers2015, good morning to you! Hope it is going well for you. I am going to bring some cookies to your talk page. Fylbecatulous talk 12:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC) New page patrol I created this userbox not too long ago. I thought it about time NP patrollers had a box also. Since you also patrol new pages I thought I'd point it out to you in case you'd like to use it. User:Rus793 (talk) 00:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC) Rus793, good morning and many thanks. It is perfect and I am decorating my user page with it right now. Patrolling new pages seems like a lost battle at times, so I am proud to display your userbox. ツ Fylbecatulous talk 11:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC) Laura Ann Frances Branigan July 3, 1952 - August 26, 2004. To Fylbecatulous: as you have deleted my edits and changes of Laura Branigan I need asking you some questions. You see, everything I am writing is checked and double-checked. I am new so things can happen when you perhaps you think you are doing right. Back to Laura...During the last year I have done a research of Laura Branigan's early life. From Armonk and her birth in 1952 to her graduation day June 21, 1970. Also in Armonk. I have a pretty big Laura Branigan collection and I have also something very special in Laura-bag. I am FB-friend with 2 of Laura's former friends . One of them is born 1952, same year as Laura Branigan. The other one met Laura at Atlantic Records office in New York 1981. There are a lot of websites which have changed Laura's birth year to 1952 and her right age to 52. Oh yes, one page denies every change. Laura's official website is keeping an eye on every change and makes it undo. Just like you did about this changes. I have lot of sources that shows I am right, but I will be a nice guy. Show me your sources that gives you the right to delete mine. Your sources must be trustful and reliable. Laura's english wikipedia is NOT either trustful and reliable. And that has been told to admin of her site. So show me what you have and I shall look at them. If you can't show your sources, in my eyes you are a troll. You are doing this just to give you some power to decide what shall be written. I will let you see my very special favorite of Laura Branigan. A picture taken in November 1954, with Laura in mother Kathleen's arms. Siblings in front and father James back. Look at the picture and agree that Laura was a real cute baby. http://northcastle.advantage-preservation.com/document/villager-1954-03-11-page-3 So what do you think, Fylbecatolous. What is your sources? Are the trustful? Reliable? What you can do now is simple, change it back to my version before Wednesday, July 15, and I am happy about that. Otherwise I will change it myself. Greetings from Sweden----Born53 swe (talk) 19:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC) Kittycat War replacing a totally non-peaceful edit. Haz image. Kittycats have war against doggy because doggy mean to kitty. Kitty win. peace... Encyc No. Actually I would not. Dis iz recruiting; iz bad Would you like to contribute here? --DonaldFrederickLandry (talk) 13:16, 14 July 2015 (UTC) May I pick your brain? I wonder if you can help me to understand some editing practices here that have me very confused. With your nice head-warming waffle, you should be well equipped to figure out what is going on. I hope this isn't a difficult question. Please ignore it if you don't have advice ready to hand. Yesterday I added a redirect intended to help people who come from the EN wikipedia with expectations about how things might work here. An admin moved it, without leaving a redirect, to a simpler name that I doubt an EN wikipedian would recognize as likely to be helpful. When I discovered what had happened, I recreated the original redirect, so I've muddled the trail of what happened. Now I'm wondering how to protect my additions against unexpected disappearance. Do you know if any discussion goes on here about mergers or page moves (obviously redirects aren't discussed)? I haven't seen any such discussion. I'm wondering whether I need to keep a complete list of pages and redirects that I create. But perhaps that won't help, because if they are moved without leaving a redirect, I don't know if there would be any way to find where a page has gone to, except guesswork. At this point I'm quite confused and am wondering whether to bother making any new pages or redirects in Simple. Thanks for being here as someone to ask, even if you can't help. I really love your hat. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 00:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Good morning, I have never decided on a nickname for you. What do you like? ツ, there are several issues at once here so this may be wordy, especially since my waffle brain doez not do concise. I do agree it is very 'fend for oneself' here and 'contributor beware'. When you hit that save page button, it is fair game for whomever wants to mess with your mind. Hence my fiercer cat on my user page. I was frustrated beyond belief to almost lose Nikau to Quick Deletion. I should have just left it go. Wasn't my article to start with. Instead I scolded the admin. [2]. Whatever. Unfortunately the tool for our article creation does not reflect redirects: [3] so yes, keep a list. Some people keep a list of articles they request for quick deletion, because once they are gone, we as lowly editors have no trace of them. Put them in your sandpile or wherever makes you happy. Now we chat about redirects. See Help:Redirects and read it in entirety but especially section for "Double Redirects". (You do know I am being playful with you, right? We are together on this...<smile>) Double redirects are highly frowned upon in this establishment. (A quote from a movie, but can't remember which. Excellent use for here, though) So I was going behind you faithfully changing redirects to direct links, like here: [4]. You agreed here: [5] but for what I thought was another reason. (Get to that in a minute). Then you added both the redirect and the direct page here: [6]. Which if one clicked on palynology at that time it would have just looped to your redirect of Micropaleontology. You later repaired this yourself by adding back content to palynology. Both are articles again. I stopped repairing your redirects at that point because I thought perhaps you wished to have an alternate way of looking up a name and leave a redirect. Which is okay becaues you have no double redirects. At [7] which you redirected to Scale (ratio) this list shows the pages that will redirect. Example: Rhynie chert still has Scale bar in an image, so it is just cleaner to avoid the redirect and change to scale (ratio). I think Auntof6 has cleaned up some of mine with an edit summary kind of like avoid redirect. All that to say yes the constant tinkering behind edits here sometimes makes me crazy. : And by the way, you are a valuable contributor here and at English Wikipedia. I trust that you are not here to make bad edits and your work does not need a lot of after-the-fact tinkering for acceptance. We are overloaded with New Page Patrol for new pages. Having your new creations automatically accepted would leave us with less good work to look over. Why don't you consider asking for WP:Patrollers rights? I mean you have not even created an article that says "meow". Fylbecatulous talk 14:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC) (TPS) Hi Fylbecatulous. Some of your concerns over QD are being discussed at Wikipedia:Simple talk, in case you weren't aware of it. I thought you might be interested in reading the thread. Also mentioned is the relatively new Help:Notability page which you might be interested in reading too. It goes through the steps an editor or patroller needs to take before nominating a page for deletion. BTW do you have a shorter name or nickname you'd like others to use? Thanks. User:Rus793 (talk) 16:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your long, considered reply, Fylbecatulous. Do you prefer a shorter name, such as Fylbecat? As for a nickname for me, I have been called Sminty, which is fine, I got used to it. Some at EN have addressed me as Sir, which is rof hilarious, and could be confusing ("I agree with the points made by Sir above" (????)), so perhaps that's best avoided. Wow, your persona here is a fierce one. I'm glad that the person you scolded was able to see your point of view. I'm not usually a fighting individual (and my bigger, fiercer relatives are sadly extinct). I will take a catnap, i.e. wikibreak from this wiki, and think about whether I want to become more ferocious in order to build material here, or just return to quiet stuff, like watching some vandalism-prone pages. (Trouble is, what I had in mind to do is clearly contentious, to make existing references to Early Devonian work, but it seems that a particular chronology may be in force here, so that ancient time periods are being un-mentioned. Very frustrating.) Thank you for explaining about the redirects. The bot on EN that fixes double redirects fortunately isn't run very often, so it doesn't get in the way of complicated changes, but it seems that because everything is manual here, it matters. I've fixed the remaining ones with Scale bar. Knowing that redirection forces all that extra work would have helped me to work differently, i.e., change a redirect into a content page, and not check whether there are other places that should link to it until after the content is there (am likely to forget that step entirely, actually). I hadn't actually noticed that there are pages here that start with the Help: prefix! Of course, many of them are linked from the welcome message that Osiris left long ago on my talk page, but that's all for stuff that I thought I already knew, the basic typing kind of stuff! Silly me! Thank you for explaining so thoroughly, there is a lot to learn here! Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Sminty, Hi, you called me Fylbe up above earlier this year and I like that. ツ I named myself for an obscure cat named Filby. Long story, danger, danger...You are welcome. Meanwhile I have been directed in a tps comment above to the Simple talk page (Hi Rus793, you can also call me Fylbe) where y'all are discussing this. I have left a long too detailed reply, I am sure. sigh...Please don't be discouraged. What is actually wrong here (and there is no correction for it unless we increase our numbers of good editors, which is unlikely, because so many get frustrated over just what you are iterating and leave: the ultimate paradox). There are so few of us that what we do is noticed immediately. And usually tinkered with, alas. I can't even send you WikiLove. lol. Fylbecatulous talk 20:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Edit conflicts sorrow, sorrow. no happiness here I also don't hit 'Save page' as often as I should and I get edit conflicts. At certain times of the day the New pages list gets some traffic. You will butt heads with other editors now and then, it's just normal. Once in a while it's another editor trying to give you grief but that's mostly on enwiki. Here its more an isolated incident. In any case when you have an edit conflict notice, your work is not lost if you take the time to copy & paste it into a notebook file (or something similar) before you click 'Save page'. Then look at the other edit and copy your work back into the edit window. It's a little extra work, but the main point is nothing is lost. It beats getting frustrated and giving up on the edit. If you realize someone is trying to edit a page at the same time you are, sometimes its better just to go edit another page. Sometimes their edits actually help to accomplish what you were trying to do. Other times the other editor is just adding categories, simplifying or making minor changes. In these cases editors move on to something else within a few minutes. User:Rus793 (talk) 22:54, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Thanks, Rus793. I am just having a bit of catnip today. I see the discussion on Simple talk has degraded into fussiness and defensiveness. So much for commenting. Sigh... One must have really thick skin to volunteer here. Fylbecatulous talk 13:07, 16 July 2015 (UTC) I am not sure anymore that I do... Fylbecatulous talk 13:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC) Sorry I messed up your Nikau article thank you for coming and saying sorry. human to human, I accept. awesome. You seem to be human, unlike most of the drones around here, so I'm sorry I got in your way. That's all. 213.205.251.155 (talk) 23:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC) A present and apology for quitting Some thick skin for you, to help prevent burns and scratches. The inside of the fruit is sweet, which is also a big help around here (like you). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:23, 16 July 2015 (UTC) I'm sorry Fylbe. I really can't hack it here. Very sorry that you have tried so hard to explain things and to get people to behave with some decency towards one another. The admins versus others attitude that shows itself in this edit, and the rude deletion of something I thought really hard and long about are just too much. I'm leaving. I hope we can meet under happier circumstances on other wikis. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC) Sminty, likewise, it remains to be seen if I stay. Since I am supposed to be editing for health and happiness, this really seems not to be feasible for me either. And here we are volunteers. Somehow that is forgotten. I chose my image right above carefully. Brick walls. I will decidedly see you on English wiki. Friends forever and all the best. Fylbecatulous talk 16:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC) Mentoring Hello I need mentoring on this wiki project. --Softstarrs23 (talk) 17:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC) Softstarrs23, Hi, I wish you the best here, but I can't offer that kind of help. I see you are asking for a mentor on English Wikipedia also. In kindness, I am going to say please take care of yourself. Simple English can be a difficult wiki project. Fylbecat talk 03:45, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Another Same also can you please have a look at the article I made for Love?, Dance Again... the Hits and A.K.A. as they have some weird red categories that I don't recall ever adding to them? Many thanks -- C-Sqwad (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC) (talk page stalker) @C-Sqwad:Thanks for bearing with us on all the music articles you're working on. I just looked at Love? and made a few changes. I simplified it, and fixed the broken references. Please look at the simplification I did and let me know if you have any questions. As for the broken references, when you bring an article from another Wikipedia and you remove parts of it, you need to make sure that you haven't broken references. Some of the parts you removed from this article the main code for named references. That needed to be copied to the other places that used the same references. Please check that before saving an article. I noticed that you created some categories related to music. You probably didn't know, but on this Wikipedia we want at least three entries in every category. Before creating a category, be sure there are already at least three entries to go into it, and put those entries in right away. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Categories#Is there a need for the new category?. Some of the categories you created might get deleted because they don't have enough entries. Don't be discouraged about that, though: you can create them again if/when there are enough pages to go into them. As for the redlinked categories you mention, they are added by templates. That's why you don't see them in the article. If/when there are enough entries, we can create those categories. I keep an eye on redlinked categories, so if no one else gets to them, I would eventually create them. There are other things that are done differently on this Wiki. It would be good for you to take some time to get familiar with them. I've listed some at User:Auntof6/Things I would like Wikipedia editors to know#Things we do here that might be different from other Wikis. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions about any of this. Thanks again for your work here, and for persevering when we have reverted it. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 18:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC) @Auntof6: thanks now I know and thanks for having a look at my edits; do they look a bit neekish or alright? I prefer this Wikipedia to the other one; they're all egotistical on that one and not as friendly as you lot C-Sqwad (talk) 18:43, 21 August 2015 (UTC) Well, I don't know the word neekish! :) I think your edits are good in general. I do think you need to simplify more. Learning to simplify takes some effort, and we appreciate you working on that! Have you looked at Wikipedia:How to write Simple English pages? It explains not only about using simple words, but also using short, simple sentences. I just simplified another one, Waiting for Tonight. You can look at that to see more examples of simplifying. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC) Laura Branigan The article has been corrupted by recent changes. If you noticed the date of "1952" is supported by IMDb, an unreliable source (here and at enwiki). Regardless, the promoter of this 1952 date is obsessed with this change which, if you notice, is contrary to every reliable source in the article. Reason this, if she were born in 1953, she would not have been (as widely reported) age 47 at her date of death (2004 - 47 = 1957). Look at the sentence he edited "Branigan was born on July 3, 1952 in Brewster, New York, and grew up in Armonk, New York." The cited source said she died in 2004, "age 47" and was born on "on July 3 1957". So his change breaks text-source integrity (see en:Wikipedia:Citing sources#Text–source integrity). Worse, this fan has systematically campaigned several web sources to change the date to 1952, thus he has a conflict of interest in using any of these same sources. I had carefully looked over his list of "proof", which is actually a list of evidence he has collected. To any researcher they are less than convincing. The source of the original mistake may have been as simple as two girls both named Laura Branigan (neither the first name Laura—a popular name in the 50s—or Branigan are rare names). If so, they grew up in the same area but were born 5 years apart. It could also be a mistake in an earlier source that keeps reoccurring. At any rate this is not a controversy, it is a campaign and I don't think we should get involved in it. Our function is using reliable sources (all of which DID agree before he started tampering with it again) to produce as accurate a biography as we can. There is more background on this on the user page User talk:Born53 swe and he has a list of sources you can review, if you want to look into this further. I don't know if he's using the IP as a sock and am not concerned right now unless this becomes a larger problem. I just wanted to explain some background on this. Since this is probably on your watch list I would appreciate you keeping an eye out for any more edits of this type that attempt to break guidelines and policies. I warned the IP address for inserting wrong information. You warned Born53 swe twice before regarding this article. Thanks User:Rus793 (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2015 (UTC) Rus793, thank you. Yes, I have both articles on my watchlist; at English and here on Simple. This IP editor, 71.218.57.249, who is happily crowing that this is all resolved on Laura's article at English is under a misperception at best. They have been reverted and warned as recently as August 21. Good discussion of explanation on their talk page by established editor there: [8] .It is just a matter of time before an editor comes along (I hope) and restores sanity to her article there. There is even a long commentary in a source note as well as you-tube videos as sources and fan sites...I would go and revert it all back but by this time I am probably guilty of being in a slow edit war. I am even named in an edit summary by Born53 there, who also has given me a stern comment here.[9] This is the reason I placed the 'disputed' tag here on Simple; I am tired of it all and don't want to keep reverting or arguing or having more hissy fits on my talk page. Happy that y'all took care of this round. . But yes, I shall just revert to the latest stable version here since you and Auntof6 have done so well to restore order. Happy battling. lol. Thanks again. Fylbecatulous talk 14:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC) ...and also our User talk:Born53 swe is also happily doing a victory dance on Laura's talk page at English: [[10]]. As you say in your comments: "this is not a controversy, it is a campaign", so another iteration or sock will return here I imagine...Fylbecatulous talk 14:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC) I was just discussing some of this on the Talk:Laura Branigan page. I'm sure this isn't over. But I agree the IP edited (he's blocked under his username) mess at enwiki should last until an experienced editor there spots it. I have no desire to waste more time on reverting his math-impaired theory. But I did read all the sources used here and many that were not used (either they were overkill, were based on the same news release as another source or had problems). So I am very familiar with this now, more than I would have been otherwise. Aunt is watching this too which gives me some confidence this won't end up like the enwiki article. User:Rus793 (talk) 14:22, 22 August 2015 (UTC) Agree, Support,  Checking... Fylbecatulous talk 16:29, 22 August 2015 (UTC) Thank you Fylbecatulous for finishing the Dovrefjell page Hey, Fylbecatulous. Got my account yesterday and, I am thinking about oppdating and filling out all the missing content on this page since I'm Norwegian https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway Do you think that would be a good starting project? The Norwegian Contributor (talk) 14:35, 27 August 2015 (UTC) Hey, The Norwegian Contributor, there is a lot to learn here. Have fun and watch what other editors are doing. You are doing well to ask others questions. This shows you want to be a good editor and make good edits. I changed what you did at Norway so watch all your articles to see what happens after you make changes. This is really how I learned here. We do not link to English Wikipedia pages (we really like to have redlinks, so we will know what articles we need to start). I also found a reference for your change to your Defence Minister. Unless you give a source, it is better not to change anything for a living person. If English is not your native language, I hope you understand me. I have a friend from Sweden on English Wikipedia... All the best, Fylbecatulous talk 16:47, 27 August 2015 (UTC) I understand, thank you for all the tips. Not going to be any problems with my English proficiency, went to the U.S. on an exchange year in 2014. Have your friend told you any "it was once a Swedish, Danish and Norwegian" jokes? =) The Norwegian Contributor (talk) 06:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC) Sources I read your comments on the RfD page. I hope you know that there is no requirement, or even preference, for refs to be online. It's nice when they're online because it's easier to check them, but it isn't required. References to books printed before ISBNs are also fine -- just give enough info to identify the book. Before ISBNs, some books had other kinds of identifying numbers, and there is usually a publisher and copyright date and sometimes a printing or edition number, etc. If the publications you have clippings from are from reliable sources, they can be used. What might be an issue, though, is writing about your own father, but that isn't because of references. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:13, 5 October 2015 (UTC) Auntof6, thank you. :) Yes of course there is conflict of interest. I strictly abide by that. :) It is most kind of you to give me this information. I am at work desperately writing an article now on Will H. Hays, a stunning character that will be difficult to explain in Simple English...lol. But when the need is there and I mention something, it becomes hard to resist. As always, wishing you all the best. Fylbecatulous talk 23:22, 5 October 2015 (UTC) Edward Sims Van Zile ‎ flowers all around and thank you... ツ I have his obituary if you are interested. Do you have a free account at Familysearch, I can post it there. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:05, 7 October 2015 (UTC) Hi Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), thanks but unfortunately I can't sign up with that. Can you please add to the information on the deletion discussion page that you have a copy of the entire obituary and ask how to use it? It definately can be used if it has more helpful information. Ask there since that is where we are all putting our heads together to work on the article. Thanks very much. Fylbecatulous talk 01:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC) I think they are still looking for him to have done something extraordinary other than write books. I have been looking at other writer biographies and they simply state the books that were written. Occasionally an author wins an award, maybe the deleter believes only award winning authors are notable. You should ask the deleter what they are looking for. Other than deleting it once, then nominating it for a second deletion, they have been silent. The two people that just !voted delete are no help either. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC) Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), No, Rus793 has been working on the article: https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Sims_Van_Zile&action=history and they have improved it a lot, They are the one who wrote the section about the baseball invention. This is more than just books as an accomplishment. Even if they have not changed their vote yet, this is a really good helpful editor. Even the person who nominated it is being helpful. They wrote me a section about our discussion right above this one. Your two choices are: 1. tell them on the discussion page about the rest of the article or 2. add some more from the obituary to the article. I will then help you with the source if you need it. This discussion is open for at least five more days and we have been making the article better. Happy editing. Fylbecatulous talk 01:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC) (talk page stalker) @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): Yes, someone has to do more than write books to be notable. Anyone can write books or stories get them published one way or another: just doing that does not make the person notable. A book makes someone notable only if the book is notable for something. The book might have won awards. It might have been a best-seller. It might have been banned somewhere. It might have been the first book about a topic. It might have given the world a new way to look at something. It might have started a social movement. It might have caused controversy. It might have been notable for some other reason, but just getting it published does not show notability. Actually, though, I think Edward Sims Van Zile now shows notability because of the changes made, so I'm going to withdraw the RfD. Please don't take any of this personally. You have raised a valid point that our documentation about notability needs to be clarified, and I appreciate that. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:37, 7 October 2015 (UTC) I take it personally because you deleted it without notifying me. Then when I rewrote it, your kneejerk reaction was to nominate it for AFD, without even attempting to do a Google search to see if it could be improved to satisfy whatever you thought was missing from it. "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." The references determine notability, not extraordinary accomplishments. Is your argument that WP:GNG does not apply to the Simple English Wikipedia? — This unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • changes) at 16:57, 7 October 2015 (UTC). pyewacket redacted angry words brought here after discussion was closed here and elsewhere.. I said: "flowers all around and thank you... ツ. " So we shall have a sweet kitten instead. {{Talk header}} Hello. Do I always add {{Talk header}} when starting a new Talk Page? Stewi101015 (talk) Stewi101015, good morning! Very nice question. The talk header template gives good information as to how to behave in discussions on talk pages, how to sign one's post and how to start a new section. I wouldn't go around just opening blank talk pages with the template, but yes if you are making a comment or asking a question you may certainly add the template. It is a correct beginning for the talk page. I just happen to watch new talk page creations because many times someone will have a useful suggestion or a question about the article that needs fixing. Sometimes it is just vandalism that needs removing. When someone creates a new talk page it shows up just like when an editor creates a new article. Thanks and I wish you happy editing. ツ. Fylbecatulous talk 12:57, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Thank you so much for the response. By "opening" a blank page do you mean starting a page or at the top of the page? I think I get the idea anyway. What does ツ mean? I saw it on Romanization of Japanese. Are you Japanese, or just think it looks cool (I do.)? Stewi101015 (talk) 06:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC) Stewi101015, Hi. (Sometimes I don't explain in the best way.) Unless there is already something said on a talk page that has therefore created (or opened) that talk page; I just don't add a template to red talk pages for articles. Many of our articles talk pages never get any activity. So they can stay red. But if you are the first to say something on a talk page yes, please add the header. Or if you are contributing talk on the page that another started, you may add the template. My symbol is a smiley of sorts that is used a bit on English Wikipedia. I forget who I first saw using it but yes, it looks cooler than . But since I am not Japanese, and have no idea what the character means, maybe I won't use it...All the best, Fylbecatulous talk 17:56, 22 October 2015 (UTC) Kittycat war two Redacted unwelcome template message; replacing with cats as promised. Kittycats have war against doggy because doggy mean to kitty. Kitty still wins. I said "last reply". .. this discussion was over. https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LOL&diff=5277842&oldid=5277371 I wasn't say his edit was vandalism, I was saying I revert other vandalism and have never seen that. Krett12 (talk) 23:43, 12 December 2015 (UTC) December 2015 With regard to your comments on User_talk:Fylbecatulous: Please see "Wikipedia:No personal attacks". Talk about changes editors have made, not the editors. Personal attacks damage the community and scare away users. Please note that more personal attacks will lead to you being blocked for disruption. Thank you. Krett12 (talk) 16:53, 13 December 2015 (UTC) December 2015 Kittycat war Redacted unwelcome template message; replacing with cats as promised. Kittycats have war against doggy because doggy mean to kitty. Kitty still wins. I said "last reply". .. this discussion was over. I said "last reply" is over