Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Current issues and requests archive 37

Unblocking User:JackPotte

Resolved. User unblocked. EhJJ^TALK 01:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello, the current rule "You may vote [...] not be blocked on more than one project" excludes me unless if you let me a second chance, after the only serious beginner error I've done three years ago. 88.164.137.127 (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you seem to be a a very established user on frwikis... with many edits and also advanced rights. I think in this case it is worth giving you a second chance. Let's see what others say. -Barras (talk) 20:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I think there won't be a problem--Eptalon (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

+1 Jon@talk:~$ 21:12, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Put a request on your talk page from that account so that I know its really you and I will unblock you. The only issue you had happened once and was on your user page so I think it warrents an unblock. And it appears others do as well. So I will unblock once I see an edit on your talk page. -DJSasso (talk) 21:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I've no idea whether this user should be given or not a second chance because I was probably on wikibreak three years ago. The reason I write here is only to emphatize on a several months block about a quite similar pseudo. This French wiktionary is the place where JackPotte has more than 50 000 edits. ONaNcle (talk) 23:35, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

That block is on a malfunctioning bot, not him. Either way (talk) 00:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done User_talk:JackPotte.
Concerning the two recent blockings of my bot it's not really a personal error, but linked to these collective decisions: straw poll on all the fr.wikt bots and on the fr.w evaluations system. 195.101.224.204 (talk) 07:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

You have been unblocked. I probably don't have to tell you but if you go spamming again you will likely get blocked again. But I trust that you won't. -DJSasso (talk) 11:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I'll do my best. JackPotte (talk) 13:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Import

Resolved. Templates imported. EhJJ^TALK 01:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Could an admin please import Template:Cite gold platin and Template:Cite_music_release_notes from enwiki? Thanks. NotImportant (talk) 07:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Both imported. -Barras (talk) 08:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for importing. :) NotImportant (talk) 08:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Overdue RFDs

Resolved. RfDs have since been closed. NotImportant 11:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Requests for deletion

Little FYI: There are two RFDs that are at least two days overdue Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 02:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Another import

Would be useful it Template:Let Go tracks is imported. Thanks. NotImportant 11:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done -Barras (talk) 11:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

User:Boredsohere

I'm quite concerned about Boredsohere (talk · contribs · count), especially since his third edit was to User:Snow funn at tall and placed a barnstar on his own talk page. I suspect he's been here before. EhJJ^TALK 22:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd block on duck. Snow fun at alls CU data is all long expired so unless a CU kept a personal copy a CU won't be much help. -DJSasso (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

And I have blocked based on the very big likelihood it is a sock of someone. Don't necessarily believe it to be snow funn at tall. But he has been commenting on the pages of users who haven't been here in years etc. Clearly being disruptive. Another admin is welcome to reverse, but I think its a vandal/disruption only account if not a sock. -DJSasso (talk) 17:19, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I would also note they are blocked for sockpuppeting on en.wiki as well so its not a stretch to think they did so here as well. -DJSasso (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I checked him as per the block and his statements. No socks here. But might be worth to keep an eye on him. -Barras (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha sorry guys but this is my only account on here, but I do want to know If I can put have a second account just for the heck of it as long as I don't break any other rules... [[User:Boredsohere|BORED!so chat]] (BORED!so chat)

Flood flag

Hello, could I have the flood flag for stub sorting? Thanks, -Avicennasis @ 05:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Granted and removed by Peterdownunder and Sonia --Bärliner (talk) 10:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Request for assistance

My editing history has suddenly become blank, not to mention my talkpage. Could an administrator help me?--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 15:12, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Could a crat

...restore my admin flag please? Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 11:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done -DJSasso (talk) 11:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks DJ. :) Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 11:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Active admin wanted

Resolved. Blocked, from next time, please use this page. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 13:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Could someone block 82.198.250.6 (talk · contribs) please? They are vandalising and creating nonsense pages despite warning. PrincessofLlyr ^talk 12:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

There is a reason that we have the vandalism in progress page - at least make an effort to use it before bringing trivial matters over... Goblin 13:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC) I ♥ Gordonrox24!

Thanks and sorry. Will remember that for future. PrincessofLlyr ^talk 13:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

User:Ydennek

Resolved. Ydennek is now unblocked and on probation per proposal II. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not change it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No more changes should be made to this discussion.

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Hello all. User:Kennedy has once again returned to us as User:Ydennek. I for one, am very concerned. As many know, Kennedy was once a user I had a great deal of respect for, however this respect was tarnished, and then completely lost by the actions I am going to quickly outline below. User:Kennedy, a former admin and bureaucrat double voted on an RFA with the account User:NotGiven. This may have been a mistake, Kennedy claims it was, however we really have no way of knowing with certainty whether this was done on purpose or by mistake(Other than just taking his word for it.) Kennedy lost his admin and bureaucrat tools, scrambled the Kennedy accounts password and left. Both the Kennedy and NotGiven accounts are now blocked. Kennedy then returned under the name User:GivenThisTime and the incidents that followed can be read in detail here. Kennedy made two edits, here and here. When asked if those edits were made by him, he said no, and then later on came clean saying that those edits were indeed done by him. He was then blocked as a result of the abuse to the wiki, the block being endorsed by many here. Kennedy once again returned with the account User:Hoots. Once again, he was blocked by CU for block evading. The community held a lengthy discussion and decided that the accounts should remain blocked. Finally, Kennedy returned under the account User:Normandy, and was once again blocked as a sock of a blocked user. And here we are today. Less than 6 months after the most recent block Kennedy has returned. I would like to propose that the newest account is also blocked per block evasion. Kennedy has repeatedly returned to the wiki with new accounts, and has repeatedly been blocked. If Kennedy wishes to return to the community, I would have expected him to either request unblock on wiki or via mailing list, not continue to create accounts to evade his blocks. As Kennedy continues to evade blocks, I have to think that he has not learned from the past, and will once again only be a drain on the community. Comments?--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 15:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. I disagreed with the first block, and it is just an instinctive thing to want to come back. His edits, with all these accounts were, it seemed to me, good, and the whole thing was blown out of proportion in the first place. Yottie ^=talk= 15:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

On the facts as given, this is an absolutely clear case. His behaviour shows lack of contrition and lack of learning. The details of his interactions are pretty shocking. Blocking seems right. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Just making this notice: Actually any admin could block the user for block evading. The user says to be someone blocked, evidence or not, just means the user can be blocked. Only a comment, take it as you wish, I don't care much, tbh. -Barras (talk) 15:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Endorse block It is clear the Kennedy has not learned his lesson as he continues to sock and waste the community's time. Just because he wants back on here does not excuse him of his past "crimes" which he must pay the price for per policy. If he wishes to return I strongly suggest he quits his socking and after some time requests an unblock the proper way. I like others have lost respect for the once great editor. chris†ianrocker90 15:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Seriously? Okay first things first, can anyone tell my why I am blocked? No, seriously, give me the place where the community decided I was blocked. I am actually unsure why I am. Secondly, I cannot return as Kennedy. Its a physical impossibility. CR90 wants me to "quit socking", ignoring the irony, I cannot return as Kennedy. I cannot return as Kennedy. I cannot return as Kennedy. The password was scrambled and email removed. This is why I have never returned as Kennedy. "His behaviour shows lack of contrition and lack of learning.". WTF?! Provide one diff where Ydennek has done something wrong, just one! I can provide hundreds where I have contributed to this community. My contributions set to 250 runs onto 2 pages. Since 26 May I have edited constructively with no problems. I even apologised to DJSasso for the past. Read his talk page for my further thoughts on my past. Seriously guys, this sucks. This hurts. Ydennek ^(talk) 17:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  To be fair I didn't even know you were Kennedy until you got upset (for lack of a better word) at the BG discussion. Probably should have been a little more forthcoming about who you were. I realize your name is Kennedy backwards now. But that wasn't very obvious to me. At this point I accept your apology like I said on my page. But I can't find fault in people thinking you should be blocked. In fact I was leaning towards putting up a request like this the other day when I realized it was you. I felt a bit slighted as a community member that you didn't at least announce you were back considering how many times you had been re blocked for trying to "sneak" back on. However, since you had been editing ok I decided it wasn't something worth pursuing to avoid that drama that would be attached. As for whether I support blocking you I am on the fence. You have indicated you want to improve so I am leaning towards saying to let you go since you have been going for a month now. But I was slightly upset that you came back without telling anyone and without any community discussion. I don't have a link I will have to go look for one but I could have sworn there was a community discussion. I am sure Gordon can find it. So consider this a Comment at this point. -DJSasso (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  I did announce it. One of my first edits was to announce it. Ydennek ^(talk) 17:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  I guess I meant somewhere like Simple Talk. I certainly don't look at many user pages of new users. But like I said I am not saying you should be blocked. Just saying that I understand the other side of the argument. Really that's all I had to say. Don't really want to go round the usual circle. Hopefully you understand. -DJSasso (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

  I tried that before. I was blocked. My talk page rights were removed too without any community discussion. Ydennek ^(talk) 17:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

   (change conflict) You are block evading, I have not seen a discussion allowing you back after the community agreed to blocked you indef. Again you have violated community discussion. And I get it's ironic that I'm suggesting you quit socking but it doesn't hide the fact it's the truth per policy. If you want proof the community agreed to block you indef, look at the discussion Gordon linked to. chris†ianrocker90 17:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

To be quite honest I felt that the discussion that I had linked above where the community decided that they support the Hoots block and would oppose an unblock displays why you were blocked. The community endorses it. Both The Normandy account and this account are block evasion. The correct course of action would have been to wait 6 months, and then request unblock on hoots. However, you decided to block evade twice.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 17:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I think that is the discussion I am thinking of. -DJSasso (talk) 17:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I think this one has really hurt Ydennek. I am not a member of this community, so sorry to interfere, but the way he left me message on DJSasso's talk page, tells that he wants to forget the past and wants a friendlier coordination with the community. Vibhijain (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

(conflict)You'll notice that throughout that discussion users are mentioning that I should have came back as Kennedy. This is something that I believe many people didn't realise that I could not return as him. Anyway, I'm sick of this. I tried to edit constructively. I announced who I was. I thought I was doing well. I made sure people knew who I was. Yet you all wait one month and hundreds of edits into my account before banning me. Thats a disgrace in my opinion. Its all up to you, if you want me to continue to edit quietly and constructively I will, but its likely I cannot change any opinions so I will stop trying to make my point and wait for the decision. Just think about what you are losing: a constructive editor. Do you have many of those? Ydennek ^(talk) 17:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• Endorse 6 month block for block evasion, per User:Eptalon/bannedUser which "is used widely throughout the AN archives". Unfortunately, I believe the available channels to request for unblocks have already been made known to Kennedy, and they are a) your talk page and b) the administrators' mailing list. He has not used either, but instead chose to create a new account. However, clean starts are not permitted if there are active bans (which is the case right now). This is a direct violation and really, should not be involving the community over whether we forgive him or not. Rules are there, and to break them will bring about consequences. We cannot allow exceptions (and such loose ones, if you ask me) in this case and expect to be able to enforce similar sanctions on sockpuppeters/long-term vandals without giving in to the classic "if x was unblocked, why couldn't I?" defense. To allow unban is an implicit endorsement of the rewriting of our blocking policy. Chenzw  Talk  17:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • My talk pages were locked. I don't know the mailing list email address. So my years of good work is worth nothing? Ydennek ^(talk) 17:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    •  (change conflict) @Chenzw - I wholeheartedly agree. @Ydennek - you tarnished it when you socked and called the editors of simple children. chris†ianrocker90 17:56, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Adding on to CR90's reply to Ydennek: your argument about not knowing the mailing list address is not convincing, not to mention that User:Normandy does not have email blocked. Chenzw  Talk  18:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• No doubt Kennedy mistakes us all for fools. This is just another game to him; his pleas of naivity above just highlight this. About time we made a ruling on this once and for all. Endorse indefinite block. PeterSymonds (talk) 18:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have blocked the account for ban/block evasion. I am amenable to removing the block once the community agrees to do so. But this has to be decided, and not by the blocked user. He should really use the correct channels, i.e. the mailing list. I had thought I was involved, but voting separately only does not an involved administrator make. Jon@talk:~$ 22:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • For the record, the community discussion can only begin 6 months after this block. The user involved must not create another account for the purpose of a clean start/making an appeal, but should either a) add an unblock request to his user talk or b) send an email to the administrators' mailing list. All violations will result in an extension of the ban by 6 months. Chenzw  Talk  00:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Not resolved - do we often close out a discussion on indefinitely blocking a content-contributing user (who was welcomed back by admins and 'crats alike, given rollback etc) within 8 hours of the suggestion being posted? Was Kennedy actually harming Wikipedia? @CR90, most of the contributors here are children, or at least act like them. This whole playground tactic unfolding here to ban one of the only editors that actually contributes content just goes to prove that. @Chenzw, not true. I do not believe this discussion to be closed yet, so I'm not waiting another six months before it can be discussed. @PeterSymonds, when Kennedy came back it was pretty clear he wasn't trying to take anyone for a fool, why would he have been welcomed back knowingly by so many regular editors? @Everyone, this Wikipedia is in the doldrums, quality content is being demoted on a weekly basis and there's zero evidence of a change in fortunes. So much effort goes into these petty process-wonkery squabbles and yet so little into what we should all be here for, i.e. producing quality content. Such a shame, such an embarrassing state of affairs, no wonder all the other Wikipedias look at this one with a wry smile. The clock is ticking, this project is not proving itself to be useful. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

To be fair on the comment about being welcomed back knowingly by so many regulars. Most of the regulars that were around yesterday mentioned they hadn't known it was him until just now. I only figure it out a couple days ago. Gordon only figured it out just before he posted this etc. He knew he had been banned. He knew that to be unbanned it needed to be discussed yet he snuck on. Its a fair belief to think the he was trying to game everyone. While I am not saying he should be banned. As I said I am on the fence. Its not so clear cut as you make it. As for was Kennedy harming the wikipedia the answer is yes he had been. Your comment itself prooves that, he keeps causing situations like this (wasteful squabbles) which wouldn't have happened had he simply done what he knew he had to do and said "I would like to be unblocked and return to edit. May I do so?" We unblock/ban people all the time look at CR90 so had he done things the right way he would have avoided yet another situation like this which seem to follow him around lately. I am positive most people would have said sure come on back good to see someone who wants to contribute had he took the less dramatic way back. So I can see both sides of the issue. -DJSasso (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion - unblock Kennedy, put him on probation for three months, one single wrong move, yep, the block is reinstated. In the three months, Kennedy will no doubt enhance the quality of this encyclopedia, I'm prepared to put myself on the line on that one. After three months, Kennedy is afforded the same rights as regular editors, slate clear, move on, get over it, get back to what's important. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, we already have a low amount of users contributing. We just blocked a user who wants to contribute. --Bsadowski1 10:19, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree With the suggestion. He only wants to help, and has shown this since he's come back. We need the editors, especially when they want to help. Yottie ^=talk= 11:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I think he should be given a chance; I don't see a problem of him editing here, as long as the edits are unproblematic....--Eptalon (talk) 13:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

@TRM: If the block is reinstated, how long would it be, and will it be considered a community ban in that case then? Chenzw  Talk  17:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The block is already in effect. There's nothing more to discuss there. IF we unblock, then we discuss terms and conditions. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I can support TRM's suggestion. Anyone object? Jon@talk:~$ 14:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

If it is as Ydennek suggests, then we should forget about Kennedy; unblocking him won't bring the account back --Eptalon (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Sure we can do that. And in fact he has already made one wrong move, so the block should then stay in place. Ban/Block evading is a wrong move. Great. If Ydennek had come back the correct way, requesting unblock, I would certainly have welcomed him back.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 16:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
• Agree with Gordon on this. While I understand what TRM is saying, Kennedy/Ydennek, as a former admin, understood the proper procedures for requesting unblock. Coupled with his previous socks, I have to say no to unblock. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
• No, he evaded a community sanctioned block. He socked and cause disruption. the fact he was around 2 months while block evading does not help his situation IMO, regardless of whether the edits were good or not. I appreciate Kennedy's past work but he was blocked by the community and evaded block. His past status does not afford him special immunities from community decisions. I have to ask, if it was me, Tharnton or Disney editor doing this, what would you do? You would block and extend the ban. Kennedy gets no exception due to his past status as admin and 'crat. When he requests unblock the proper way in a few months I will be more inclined to support an unblock. chris†ianrocker90 17:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Funny how forgiveness is a temporary thing. Process wonks can win here, sure, keep him blocked. Alternatively, use brainpower to understand that content providing editors deserve a final chance. Clearly some values have gone awry here. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Final chance? Is this his third or fourth sock? Griffinofwales (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, repeating yourself isn't helpful. Last chance saloon. This is it. Now either act constructively or stop going on about it, I'm suggesting a last chance for Kennedy who, after all, creates more content than most of the community put together. If you're happy to indef block a content creator on this Wiki which is on the brink, so be it, and perhaps head to IRC or wherever it is all the chat happens. We should be creating an encyclopedia, and that needs editors who create content. Blocking this one is punitive and pointless. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Rather late in this discussion, but I would like to say that I support TRM's suggestion to unblock Ydennek. The block was very premature in this discussion and not needed immediately as no harm was being done. Most especially, more creating please and less harping on old squabbles. Gotanda (talk) 22:13, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I was also shocked that a "community" ban discussion could start and end within a matter of hours: especially since it takes about 24-72 hours for the majority of the active editors to check in. The human being behind Kennedy deserves another chance. Believe me there are quite a few editors/admins in good standing that have done worse and are still here. fr33kman 22:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  He already was banned so this wasn't really a ban discussion but a request to reapply the ban he was evading which was already in place. Technically no discussion was needed. He could have been blocked on sight. -DJSasso (talk) 22:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  Gordonrox24 made it into a discussion by asking for comments; not enough time was given to allow for the whole community to partake. fr33kman 23:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

  Perhaps, either way its more a discussion to remove the ban he is already under than to put a new one on. As such he should have been blocked until the discussion called for unblocking. -DJSasso (talk) 23:06, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Further

I will unblock Kennedy based on the criteria I gave in my above suggestion in 12 hours time, unless I see evidence of valid strenuous objection. If, as I said before, there are any immediate shenanigans then I will reblock Kennedy, get my coat, hat and depart. As an aside, funny how all the hawks were around to call "block" while the doves weren't around until a few hours later. Perhaps a lesson learned that this kind of discussion should take place over a few days, not a few hours. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Erm, you don't have to get you coat and hat... notwithstanding what happens, we hope you will stay. Best, Jon@talk:~$ 22:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm hoping not to have get my bits and pieces, but that notwithstanding, I also hope to stay. Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 22:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It might just be me but it does not appear you have the consensus you need to apply your proposal. And FYI, no one closed it to my knowledge or I would have surely objected. chris†ianrocker90 22:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I hate to say it but CR is right. At the moment the majority still are saying block. -DJSasso (talk) 23:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

As I said, if there's a serious consensus against it, then I won't unblock, but the hawks come out to play at night while the doves are active daytime. Very odd. And very telling that there's no concept of flexibility in some quarters, no "forgiveness" to an editor who has contributed more positive content in half-an-hour than almost all of our editors contribute in all of their "careers" here. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Having been the first to welcome Ydennek, and who immediately identified himself to me as Kennedy, I have no problem supporting him (or any other editor) who wants to make a positive contribution. I have always (and will continue) to AGF. If problems arise, then another block simply goes in place. Meanwhile, back to editing. --Peterdownunder (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposal II

I don't see any consensus to do anything. However, I am moved by the arguments to remove the block. In light of the editor's positive contributions, I propose the following editing restrictions:

• User:Ydennek is restricted to one account, subject to checkuser.

• User:Ydennek is placed on editing probation for a period of six months, wherein intentional violations of the guidelines, or disruptions to the project will entail a warning, short block to prevent continued disruption, and indef block, in that order.

Respectfully, Jon@talk:~$ 23:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Not too dissimilar to my original proposal other than a longer probation period but more lenient action if violation occurs. I'm ambivalent to either solution, the only thing I think is pointless is an indef block. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I wanted to enable good faith mistakes, without being too draconian. The six month probation is basically a suspended six month wait we would have done before he could request a return from the last sock incident. With this, I can support his return. Jon@talk:~$ 23:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• The point is still being missed here. Ydennek has already violated guidelines by evading a block endorsed by the community, as he has done twice before this. This shows us that nothing has changed. I oppose unblock now, and support unblock at a later date, as long as Ydennek does things correctly and stops evading blocks with alternative accounts and requests unblock in the appropriate way and actually demonstrates he has learned from his past mistakes. However, if the community decides to remove the block it endorsed, I will fully respect that and welcome Ydennek back into our community.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 23:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
• I am concerned with the message that we will be sending to all vandals/sockpuppeteers once we unblock Ydennek. We must be mindful that rules have already been broken, and right now we are discussing as a community whether we should make Ydennek's case an exception. Is anyone able to suggest a suitable course of action for handling the unblock request of another long-term vandal/sockpuppeteer who claims that he will contribute positively to the encyclopedia in the future? Chenzw  Talk  01:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

  The thing is, we have had the (rare) chance to see him edit before this discussion, so this case calls for different measures. We cannot simply ignore what has happened, and block him on the basis that others may feel cheated by this decision. The fact is Ydennek has contributed well, hasn't exactly slipped through the system, as he was welcomed by editors (including admins/crats - who obviously knew who he was). Because of these exceptional circumstances, I don't believe any of the guidelines in place (because yes, they are mostly guidelines) are quite suitable. Either proposal, to me, is the logical course of action. We need the content editors to avoid this project going downhill. Yottie ^=talk= 06:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Ydennek's repetitive and argumentative interactions in the BG admin discussion gives an idea of how disruptive he may be if not blocked. He shows disrespect to our rules, and to some of our regular contributors. Unreformed, evading procedures, socks galore. He should not be readmitted. Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:01, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
• Endorse this proposal or the one above. While I completely understand the arguments about block evasion, every account he has created has been productive, and apparently the guy just can't wait to help improve the 'pedia. With that in mind, it's worth giving him a chance to come back without getting blocked as a sock/block evader. PrincessofLlyr ^talk 13:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
• Endorse this proposal. While I think Ydennek should have asked to return on the wiki or the admin mailing list in advance, he didn't hide who he was and has been a productive and helpful contributor. Grunny (talk) 13:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Way ahead

Right, there seems to be a general consensus that Kennedy be afforded a final chance. His recent displays of editing have shown that he is a valuable contributor here, a content builder which SEWP would be cutting of its own nose to spite its face if he remained indefinitely blocked. I note that a couple of editors are still concerned over his behaviour, but we've all said and done things we regret here. The point is to allow him one final chance. I'm happy with proposal II, and as long as we, as a community, share our views on Kennedy's editing and behaviour over the next few months in a calm and rational manner, I can see no harm in unblocking him. As such, barring any last minute hitches, I'll unblock him later today. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I can see TRM is deeply committed to his point of view, but I don't see the consensus. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, just looking above, I see me, NVS, Petedownunder, Fr33kman, Gotanda, Eptalon, Bsadowski1, Vibhijain, Yottie, Princess of Lyrr, Grunny (and BG7 on K's talkpage) who think Kennedy deserves another chance. You, Chenzw, PeterSymonds, Gordonrox24, Griffin and CR90 are against (although Chenzw has struck his endorsement of the ban). There are several ambivalent editors (including Barras, DJSasso). Kennedy has indicated that he is happy to accept the rules of the proposal, including being subject to checkuser and being on probation for six months. I intend to help Kennedy in this time by monitoring what he does. My word is my bond. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:42, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Endorse per TRM's last sentence. However, I emphasize that this is something unprecedented, and we are opening the floodgates for future vandals to abuse this incident for their own gains. Chenzw  Talk  12:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe we have floodgates here. Just consider this a modification of the "standard offer". The Rambling Man (talk) 12:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I still don't endorse the unblock, but it seems I can't stop it now, I just got a feeling we are setting a bad precedent and will try my best to hold back my "I told you so"'s when it rears it's ugly head. I wish Kennedy the best. Though I must say I feel better about TRM's suggestion than scream's. chris†ianrocker90 18:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bluegoblin7 6

Resolved. Closed as unsuccessful by Jamesofur. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 18:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

In the absence of a crat noticeboard :) Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Bluegoblin7 6 is due to close. Best, Jon@talk:~$ 22:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I would close, I have voted and not recused, but 13/7 is a clear promote here (in the absence of a crat board), in my opinion. If the community is happy for me to finish the job, let me know. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• No. I would rather a crat who has not commented close this. It is not so clear to me. Jon@talk:~$ 22:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Indeed. So let's wait for, say, Vector to appear... The Rambling Man (talk) 22:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
    • 13/7 is 10% below the community accepted level of 75% for a promote so its not really a clear cut. -DJSasso (talk) 22:58, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok... Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Bluegoblin7 6 I started a chat. Jon@talk:~$ 23:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Citing sources

When you are on the English Wikipedia project and you click the source/cite button, you get a nice little choice of what type of citation (weblink, book, etc) then a form to fill in... it does the rest. We don't have that. Having that would be an improvement. If anyone is well versed in coding that kind of thing... would have my eternal gratitude. Warm regards, Jon@talk:~$ 21:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

What source button? You sure you don't have some script installed? -DJSasso (talk) 22:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• What we have:

What they have, and note the "cite web, cite book..." examples, those will actually open forms... nice easy forms.:

Jon@talk:~$ 22:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I have the same one as simple on en. Perhaps its a skin based button. I will let someone else look into it. -DJSasso (talk) 22:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I haven't looked but I wonder if you have it installed in your .js DJ. THe cite button is a part of en:Wikipedia:RefToolbar_2.0 which is default for all users on en (through global js). I love it, I didn't even realize where it came from until Sue (Gardner) got excited about it and wanted to know where it was from a couple months ago. James (T C) 03:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so how do I get it here. :) Jon@talk:~$ 03:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Several users have attempted to import it; none of these work afaik. sonia♫ 07:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

To add the refToolbar 2.0 here add this to your vector/monobook/common.js:

mw.loader.load( 'http://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Grunny/refToolbarSetup.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript' );

That should work fine. Let me know if you have any problems with this :). Cheers, Grunny (talk) 08:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Works for me, thanks --Peterdownunder (talk) 11:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• Can we add this to the sitewide code? Jon@talk:~$ 16:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Resigning permissions

I would like to resign all my permissions here other than rollback. Thanks, Kansan (talk) 06:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I think only stewards can remove +crat; not sure if a formal request at m:SRP is required. sonia♫ 06:09, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I am a steward, and could do that, but for the record, I think it would be best to drop a line at this page, so that there is a "trail"....--Eptalon (talk) 07:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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For the record: Rollbacker/Patroller would be good (those are currently covered with the other flags). I woould hate to patrol your edits...--Eptalon (talk) 07:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't have a problem to remove the crat and admin bit as requested here, but prefer a request on SRP for the os tool. -Barras (talk) 08:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I have put the request there for him. -DJSasso (talk) 13:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done by Dferg. -DJSasso (talk) 14:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Your permissions have been removed. Thank you for your work. -- Dferg (talk · meta) 14:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Can an admin...

...please redirect User:Kennedy to User:Ydennek and User_talk:Kennedy to User_talk:Ydennek? I'm fine with them being protected too. Thanks Ydennek ^(talk) 11:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Cheers Ydennek ^(talk) 12:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

OS

Hi, can I have my oversighter flag back please? I gave it up so Kansan could get some experience but he's resigned as an admin and we're down another due to Barras giving it back Thanks! fr33kman 21:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, no reason why not. Fr33kman left in good standing. I think it would just be good to have another one at least back. -Barras (talk) 21:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

• Yep, give him the tool back.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 22:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
• Sure! --Bsadowski1 22:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

As long as there's nothing in Meta policy preventing this happening without 'formal' request, give it back. Goblin 22:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC) I ♥ PeterSymonds!

This is ok as it is. We just need to link to this and to his old RfO. -Barras (talk) 22:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

We can't do this locally, by the way. I'm in favour, as we all are, but this isn't something we can do here. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

We can't do this locally, right. But everyone knows this. If people are in favour, a bureaucrat only need to make a request on m:SRP linking to this and to his old RfO. -Barras (talk) 06:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Absolutely, give the flag back. Grunny (talk) 08:39, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
• I agree, as long as there's no policy against it! Yottie ^=talk= 10:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

 Done http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steward_requests%2FPermissions&action=historysubmit&diff=2693232&oldid=2692013 Jon@talk:~$ 13:21, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Right has been granted. Finally at least one more is back :-) -Barras (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! fr33kman 16:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back. Don't forget to request to join oversight-wp-simple so I can add you to the mailing list (which looks like it needs some updating). EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyright

We need to keep an eye out for unattributed derivative works. i.e. Toyota Prius which I'll be deleting shortly if it does not become attributed. Best, Jon@talk:~$ 15:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC) ...Federico García Lorca. Jon@talk:~$ 15:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Or you could do the more constructive thing and actually attribute it? -DJSasso (talk) 23:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Therein lies the issue. If I don't, who will? I desire to discourage the practice altogether. Here is a better suggestion, lets put a notice about derivation in the edit wondow. That would be better than {{sofixit}} as you suggest. Kindly, Jon@talk:~$ 00:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

protection request

Could an admin fully protect my userpage as I have retired. Thanks! Crazymonkey1123 (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I semi-protected the apge you have given; atm I don't see a need for more protection (or for protection of the talk page) --Eptalon (talk) 20:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

English Wikipedia sock puppeteer moving to Simple English

Resolved.

Per this edit to an en.wp editor's talk page, it seems that the socking vandal originally known as MosesBeacon has decided to spread his nonsense to the Simple English Wikipedia, under the name User:HelloHello9369. I've tagged their first article (Australian Pun Convention) for deletion as vandalism, but you guys ought to be aware that this may not be an end to it.

Regards, 88.109.60.234 (talk) 06:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I think he's gone now. VOA, trolling etc. -Barras (talk) 09:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:CHU

I broke this somehow... the new requests are not making their own section with a header... any ideas? Jon@talk:~$ 02:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

The instructions are telling people to use {{Usurp2}}, which doesn't have a header. It says on the Usurp2 template page that it shouldn't be used, as it is simply called on by {{Usurp}} which has the header and status included. So we should be using the Usurp template, same as the {{Renameuser}} template, and it should be probably be subst'd as well (unless there is a reason we were doing it like that). :) Cheers, Grunny (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah... I see now. Template documentation is meant to be read, so I should have checked that. :) Yes, we subst... I usually do unless the code will interfere with discussion in the edit window. Jon@talk:~$ 03:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:Peer Review

This page should be archived more frequently. It looks bad to have stale stuff lying around. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Mh... you can just do it yourself and archive the old stuff. This doesn't require any extra rights. -Barras (talk) 11:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Since we don't have a crat board...

I'm going to take a bit of a break from administrative functions for a while. I intend on asking for the tools back at a point in the near future. Kindly, Jon@talk:~$ 07:13, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you wanting to retain your flags? fr33kman 07:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Jon, I do hope to see you back and good luck with whatever you need the time for :) James (T C) 08:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Request for flood flag

Resolved. User told to request flood flag if more than 30 minor edits are to be done within a short period of time. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Apparently the work I've been doing with AWB has been flooding the new changes page. Could I have a flood flag, please? Is that something that will be in place every time I use AWB, or would I have to ask each time I want to use it? Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 04:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

You will need to ask for it each time to turned on and off, as it hides your edits from "recent changes". It should only be used for minor edits. At quiet times, like most of today, flooding is not a big problem. If you plan more than 30 minor edits ask for it to be turned on. --Peterdownunder (talk) 11:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Diff needs to be deleted

Resolved. Diff deleted by Eptalon. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Please delete this diff from File talk:Evaporation.png--The Three Headed Knight (talk) 07:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Done--Eptalon (talk) 07:51, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

You guys know about....

...this, right? It relates to the User:Lugurr thing, as well as the recent cavalry charge. As with any big EN hooplah, there's SIM spillover Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 21:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Ironically if you would have had some patience you would have likely seen it get deleted in a week for lack of simplification by me. Instead now that you opened an Rfd it can't be speedied anymore. So when it closes as no-consensus like it will probably it will end up staying on the wiki. -DJSasso (talk) 00:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I've done loads of speedy's after the RfD was created. I just close the RfD as deleted, or not, and don't see anything wrong. fr33kman 01:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I can apply IAR but on a controversial subject like this I wouldn't. Because any speedy that is objected to is supposed to be recreated (except obvious vandalism)... so as long as there is a keep vote at an rfd its been objected to. -DJSasso (talk) 01:19, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

DJ, for starters, it seemed clear to me that a speedy tag wouldn't have been appropriate...a) because it had been speedily deleted and then recreated, b) because Lugurr would've clearly objected to it, and c) because he may actually be trying to simplify it (though it's still inappropriate for other reasons). And with regard to closing it, discussions are closed by policy, not votes. The deletionist votes have a stronger policy backing than the keepist votes, and all of the keepist votes save your procedural one. If you want it gone, which apparantly you do, I'd first withdraw your procedural vote, and then wait for most of the established editors to vote delete. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 01:34, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

It would have been perfectly appropriate. We speedy any article that hasn't been significantly simplified. Lugurr being the author wouldn't have mattered because he was the current "author" of the page. And yes, if it does get simplified it may very well be a decent page, however we won't know that now because you are racing to delete it. I don't want it gone, I think it is probably a notable organization or it wouldn't have sources and get the publicity it gets. I just think in its current form it isn't simplified. Thirdly policy doesn't necessarily dictate the close, consensus does, which can sometimes deviate from policy. Instead of being rational you freaked out and decided to go the most drama filled way which is what you always do. -DJSasso (talk) 01:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

"A decent page"? Seriously? The article has been deleted 18 different times on Wikipedia, and is forever embroiled in controversy. Look at that thread...tens of KBs long. We should spare ourselves that fate by nipping this article in the bud Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 04:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Just because something is controversial doesn't mean it isn't notable and can't be a decent page. The controversy itself probably makes it notable. Wikipedia is not censored, the people seeking to delete it often (though not always) are doing it because they don't like the name. That is censoring at its worst. I don't like the name either, but it doesn't mean the topic isn't notable. -DJSasso (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Lugurr indefinitely blocked

Per this action on En., I have blocked Lugurr indefinitely here on Simple. It is clear that the user has attempted to deceive us and is only here to disrupt. Either way (talk) 02:39, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

...which was what I was saying all along and why I nominated the article for deletion in the first place. Since the user is indef blocked, he will never finish fixing the article, in which case the discussion should be speedily closed as delete Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 05:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and not that it matters here, but the block is being contested at EN's ANI. Could go either way at the moment. Support long/indef block for Lugurr here, by the way Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 19:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Flags

Resolved. Fr33kman reassigned flags. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Can a crat reassign me flags please? Thank you, Jon@talk:~$ 16:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Block review

Banned Concensus is to block, thereby I am implementing a ban of this person. This means all past, present and future socks are also banned and are to be blocked on sight. fr33kman 12:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Crat.

-sysops please. Thanks!--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 04:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for your service. -DJSasso (talk) 11:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Flood flag, please

Could I have a flood flag? I want to use AWB to work on some CheckWiki errors. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

And maybe some stub sorting, too. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done - Post when you're finished --Griffinofwales (talk) 00:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but it looks like my changes are still showing up at Special:RecentChanges. Isn't the flood flag supposed to suppress that? --Auntof6 (talk) 00:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

You have to log out and log back in for the flag to work. -DJSasso (talk) 00:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I did not know that. This is a bug. I'll research the bugzilla. Jon@talk:~$ 00:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Its not a bug, its an AWB thing...it gathers flags when you first log into it so if you are logged into AWB already it doesn't know you were given the flood flag and forces the edits visible. -DJSasso (talk) 00:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh... I did not know that either. Perhaps in AWB bug? I posit there is a big somewhere with something ;) Jon@talk:~$ 00:46, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

If anything its a bug in AWB. My guess is that it was never made to constantly check for flags. Since this is the only flag that would come and go. And as far as I know we are the only wiki who really uses it. Others have it but I don't think any others use it. This is the only wiki obsessed with not flooding the RC. So basically not a bug so much as AWB has never really been asked to constantly look for flags so it would probably be a new feature request technically. Ironically I am a Software QA guy by day but I guess my bug detector turns off at 5 haha. -DJSasso (talk) 00:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'm done for today. Please turn me back into a pumpkin. ;) --Auntof6 (talk) 04:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Grunny (talk) 06:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

New request

Could I have the flood flag again, please? I want to continue working on CheckWiki errors and do some stub-sorting. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Done, let's now when you are done. -Barras (talk) 20:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, I've enjoyed all I can stand for today. Go ahead and take the flag off. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Grunny (talk) 04:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Done with flood flag

Earlier, Fr33kman gave me the flood flag. I'm through using it for now so you can take it off. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. sonia♫ 00:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Requesting flood flag

Could I have the flood flag, please? I'm doing some work sorting articles into more-specific categories. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:34, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Done Jon@talk:~$ 01:16, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

• I'm through now, thanks. Go ahead and remove the flag. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:59, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Peterdownunder (talk) 07:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Flood flag, please?

Please give me a flood flag. I'm doing some recategorization, and then I'll do some stub sorting. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:31, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. sonia♫ 03:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 06:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'm finished for now. Go ahead and remove the flag. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. Grunny (talk) 07:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Could I have a flood flag, please?

I'm doing some category work, and it's turning out to be more than I thought it would be. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done - let me know when you're done. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the flag. I'm done for today. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:33, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Removed. -Barras (talk) 07:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

User:NonvocalScream

NonvocalScream (talk · contribs) User:NonvocalScream You are correct in stating that the blocking admin has the first say, usually. However, once it is brought to commnuity debate the original admin can't just act unilaterally., and the community decided to block indef. You can not override community consensus just because you placed the block have now decided to mentor the user. Where was the consensus? for that? I have considered to reinstate the block. This would not be wheel warring because I did not priorly use them to block him. Please discuss this unblock! :( fr33kman 15:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, and with respect, there was no clear, not even a rough consensus for ban. I could have gone either way. I brought it to the community for approval and review. What I received was opinions straight down the middle. How I took that was "refer back to blocking admin", since consensus did not support a ban. Please re review the discussion. Jon@talk:~$ 17:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

While I will discuss my action, I have removed myself from this. That is to say, you may of course leave him unblocked, or reblock. I will not consider it a wheel war or anything of the like. I value my fellow administrators, all inclusive. Also, I would ask that before anyone consider a reblock, please consider how unfair it would be to the editor that, the perception being; we can't get our shit straight. Very kindly, Jon@talk:~$ 17:31, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above was pretty clearly closed as a consensus to ban/block, and so any unblocking certainly is out of course. I don't think it's a case of the wiki being unable to "get their shit straight" but more specific editors not following what are clearly defined policies etc. I've seen a couple of things in the past couple of days that I would, personally, view as an abuse of administrator privileges (this being perhaps the most 'minor'!) though sadly I am lacking the current time to 'write these up' as I am (supposed) to be on holiday - no doubt they will therefore go unrecorded... Just my two pennyworth worth anyway. Goblin 18:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC) I ♥ Microchip08!

Yes, it was closed as a consensus to ban. But a closure does not a consensus make. If you read the discussion you will see there is no consensus for anything. Also, the above closer has a habit of adding things to closures that clearly was unmentioned by the discussion, e,g, this, look at the closing remarks, and then look at the discussion. It is askew. So, yes, I disregarded the closure. I'm not in a group of sheeple, if something it incorrect, it is incorrect. Also, write up whatever you want, scream admin/sysop abuse where ever you want, it will not change the fact that I am operating in accordance with the discussion. Jon@talk:~$ 20:11, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree with your opening point, scream, though I believe that in this case there was a consensus, albeit weak. I also agree with your comments regarding some of the actions of the user above, one of which I alluded to above and is probably the most serious of the misuses - I certainly have no intention of writing up something as minor as this (In the grand scheme of things!) were that incident to go "unpunished". I have no problems with the unblocking (Think I might have given a slightly different view to that in my initial message, not my intention) but more the manner - an additional discussion would have been better (Imo) before the unblock was granted. Whatever: I don't care enough to keep this going any further! Goblin 21:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC) I ♥ Nifky!

• Not an admin, have an opinion: Discussion was closed too soon. Should he have been unblocked? Probably not. Was there a clear overriding consensus? no. Should we have kept talking to be sure that an indef was what we wanted, leaving him blocked in the interim? Yes
• And for the record, he's not indef banned on EN, at least not yet (he's only banned for a year), and to my knowledge he hasn't exhibited the major problems that got his lengthy block on EN, so I would strongly oppose anything harsher than a ban for longer than his ban on EN, and would prefer a block of two to three months Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 21:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
• The closure as ban was... rather unexpected. Let's see. PBP was vocal against an extended block (and thus I assume a ban); Barras and Eptalon were clearly unhappy about the block of a constructive contributor; Peterdownunder expressed the same sentiment, and Gotanda and I seem to be leaning toward a time-limited block. I'm not sure where the consensus to ban came from.
  I think what's happening here is that general opinions are getting in the way of sensible discussion. By this I mean opinions about Racepacket as an individual or about editors who come from enwiki after getting blocked there, or maybe about users who are constructive but don't simplify pages. Can we please stop making actions until we're actually sure what the community wants? To make my stance absolutely clear, I'd be happy with a final warning on the basis of his actions here, with the mentoring proposed on his talk by scream being a good step. Or if the community feels that enwiki actions should be considered also, then I'd support a time-limited block no longer than the one on enwiki. Tit-for-tat blocks aren't exactly tit-for-tat if they are more severe than the original block. Otherwise we're just pulling banhammers out of thin air. sonia♫ 23:20, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
• There was no consensus for a block (or anything), even if you count Sonia and Gotanda for the indef. Since the community couldn't agree, the blocking admin (Jon) was well within his right to unblock the user if he wished to do so. If the community had spoken for a block, then it would have been improper. However, I think that the closure of the discussion should have been discussed before any action was taken on the user, as that is where the controversy begins. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me or are we going to have to do this whole discussion all over again? Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 01:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

• I believe I have more at stake here than most, having spent so much time contributing to science topics. I fear it does great harm to have pages of the kind Racepacket put up on our wiki. It is damaging to young readers, who may then think 'science is too difficult for me', and damaging to our reputation in the WP community in general when we permit such flagrant abuses of our most basic remit.
  Several of us communicated with him when the nature of his pages became apparent. Though polite, he never took on board what we were saying, and in not a single case did he make any of his new pages genuinely simple. Instead he brought over more highly technical stuff and dumped it here, leaving most of it unedited except for trifles.
  Verbally he denied the seriousness of the situation, changed a few words and said he had simplified it. He was either unwilling or unable to comply, yet continued to bring over the same kind of material. If we hadn't stopped him, we'ld have a hundred such pages here by now. I would say he was effectively non-responsive to criticism.
  It cannot be an accident that he arrived here after the ban on enWP. He did not arrive here (as I and others did) because he believed in the goals of Simple. He arrived so he could carry on as he used to, but was now unable to, on enWP. The enWP ban is directly relevant to us and we should respect it. They are very well organised for dealing with editor misbehaviour, and a one-year ban is a big statement. I for one am going to be very unhappy if we let him back in. To do so would be a betrayal of our remit. And no, I don't think the issue needs to be discussed again. The right action was taken. Macdonald-ross (talk) 05:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

• Mh... I think I should comment here as well, as I was one of the first people complaining about the block and then was kind of responsible for the unblock. Just as first, I want to mention in reply to Macdonald-ross above, that simpleWP is not straight for young people and pupils/students. It is also for people who learn a foreign language. From my experience (I'm a scientist myself), most of the sciences work only in English. I know (being a German) that students here often prefer to read science for studying in English even if the study is in German, because it helps them later on. Not all people are that good in English to understand the standard English. Highly scientific stuff is usually not understand by everyone. I just want to say that not only young people read here. As for the other stuff. I had some mails with Racepacket. I then offered him to mentor him and help him with the article under some restrictions to not annoy people. This includes not to post DYKs before I gave my OK to the article and that it is generally a simple hook. Also we agreed that he is not going to create new articles in our main namespace. Firstly we will simplify the existing stuff, which I've already done (Diels-Alder reaction, etc). All new upcoming articles will firstly go into his name space, so we can work on it and simplify etc. I think with a mentor on his side he can make a great contributor. I talked to Fr33kman and he said that he is willing to unblock if I mentor him and leave him an official note on his talk page. That's what I did. Now, I'm working on the articles to simplify them as good as possible. And tbh, those few articles don't make our situation worse, just look at our 1400 other complex articles and the round about 1000 unreferenced articles. Hope this helps a bit to clarify the situation. -Barras (talk) 17:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I've not commented on any discussion recently really, and haven't even read the original ban discussion, to be honest. I have read the comments above, and I for one would feel comfortable letting Racepacket edit with Barras guiding him. Take it for what it is worth. Cheers. --Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 19:16, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Move request

Would someone please move Comfortably numb to Comfortably Numb? Right now the second one redirects to the first one. This is to get the capitalization correct. I can't do it because that second one is a redirect. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done sonia♫ 05:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 06:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Josip Broz Tito protection please

Resolved. Article semi-protected for a month by Eptalon. Griffinofwales (talk) 00:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Could an admin please place Josip Broz Tito under a semi protection? IPs have returned to push their POV into the article, giving undue weight against the subject. This has been protected several times already and could use another semi protection to prevent the POV pushing. Either way (talk) 19:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Ermm, aren't you an admin? :) fr33kman 00:47, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I'd classify myself as an involved administrator so I'd rather someone else lock it. Either way (talk) 01:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Television → Template:Infobox television

Hello. Can an administrator please move Template:Infobox Television to Template:Infobox television over the redirect, without suppressing the redirect? It makes more sense in proper English. Television is not a proper noun. Thanks.  Hazard-SJ  ±  23:58, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done fr33kman 00:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.  Hazard-SJ  ±  00:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Amy Winehouse RFPP

Resolved. not done, issue moot fr33kman 16:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Amy Winehouse (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

There's been some vandalism on her page lately. Can we get a one or two-week silverlock until her death blows over? Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 16:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Not sure its really needed, there doesn't seem to be that much but perhaps for a really short term period, i.e. a week? Ydennek ^(talk) 20:13, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

No - certainly not needed, nowhere near enough vandalism to warrant a protection; we'd be looking at multiple reverts a day, every day to make it worthwhile. And what on earth is a 'silverlock'? Certainly wasn't a protection option when I had the mop, and sure it hasn't been made (The drop down MediaWiki page doesn't say it...) Goblin 20:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC) I ♥ PeterSymonds!

 Not done I'd not define that as loads, but either way we have the editors and bots to aid if need be. fr33kman 20:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

To clarify...a silverlock is semi-protection...because it is symbolized by a silver padlock. Likewise, a gold lock sis full protection, a blue lock is move protection, etc Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 21:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

So call it a semi protection then, as that's what it is. Not a clue where you've got your fictional terms that no-one else knows of from. Goblin 00:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC) I ♥ Microchip08!

Don't they call them that on en? Not really sure as I don't edit there anymore but I'm sure I've seen that before... Ydennek ^(talk) 11:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

no longer relevant - closed fr33kman 16:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

• Fake timestamp for the archiving bot. Jon@talk:~$ 11:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Jim Michael creating underpopulated categories

Jim Michael (talk · contribs)

What it looks like he's doing is copying the cats from EN wiki, and if redlinks show up, creates the category. Most of these categories he tags with popcat while creating them, have fewer than 5 pages, and no effort has been made to integrate existing pages into them. Pas, Faux pas, or Non pas? Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 22:16, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

You know what? I can't believe this! You come here to AN expecting an admin to solve the issue and you haven't even spoken to the new user and tried to engage them and find out what's going on. You have just assumed bad faith right off the bat. That just takes the cake! fr33kman 23:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

No, I haven't, as it's the categories that are the issue as much as the user. The question I'm asking mostly is if we should QD or RFD the categories or not. I'm not seeking punitives against JM; and I can't talk to him until I figure out whether or not the categories should be deleted or not. What's with you and DJ jumping all over me...I can't sneeze without getting criticized around here Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 01:07, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, Fr33k, he is not a new user. He has over 500 contributions and has been active for over a year. So BITE is not an issue Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 01:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

It comes down to politeness at the end of the day. You go to admins when what you should have done was ask him about his actions first! Coming to AN without warnings or discussion, that's just wrong!! fr33kman 02:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

People keep "jumping" on you because you don't stop and think before you take action. Assuming good faith applies to new and old users alike. Coming to ask admins to sanction someone when you haven't even had the courtesy to message the user is extremely bad taste and utterly rude. If you want people to stop "jumping" on you then start thinking before you act. -DJSasso (talk) 23:59, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm missing the part where I asked for sanctions. I have moved my discussions to simple talk Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 03:20, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

That is what the admin noticeboard is for...so its implied. -DJSasso (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)