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"Projects"Edit

I see we are into another bout of self-announced "projects". One reason we do not have projects is that they distract attention from what we do onto things some think we ought to be doing. We do not have enough people interested to make a proper job of them, and they are just ways of individual editors creating their own sand-pits to play in. Subpages of a userpages are meant to be used to make articles for the wiki, not to evade our collective decisions as to what the wiki should be doing. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:29, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Not sure if you are talking about Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Women South Asia/2021 but that isn't really a self announced project. It is a WMF wide initiative to expand articles on women in Asia for the month of September. Something all language wikis should be take part in. Though only editors that are interested of course. If you are just talking about random wikiprojects in userspace then yes, there is pretty much no purpose in creating those as they are never really used and mostly just end up being a place to do busy work. However, in saying that, they usually are in service to creating articles in a particular subject which is the goal of the wiki so as long as they aren't disruptive there is a reason we say to do it in userspace. -Djsasso (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I understand the concern here. So yeah, this is a foundation wide effort for the month. But then what? We can hope to take part and create some articles, but once the effort of the month is over, is there any difference between this and any other Wikiproject? There might need to be a line laid out. Clearly we should encourage the project as it is ongoing, I think the question is what are we left with. When does it become proper to move it to userspace? As soon as the month ends? Maybe we need to give this some time to breathe, let it run the time and hope for participation, and then decide how to move on. --Gordonrox24 | Talk
By "self-announced" I meant the ones on user sub-pages. We differ from En wiki in not having WikiProjects and all that entails. That is one reason we get users trying to set up similar structures on their sub-pages. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Typically with the big ones like this we leave them in Wikipedia space and then each year we change the redirect to the subpage for the new years effort. -Djsasso (talk) 15:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Extend blockEdit

Please extend the block of 90. something (its an IP blocked by Auntof6) from 31 hours to at least a week. I do not feel that is sufficient. Also at least 24 hours SP Simple Talk so a sock doesn't vandalize. Apply to VIP too. Ely - Talk 07:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]

  Comment   Agree Hockeycatcat (talk) 07:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@Hockeycatcat, Elytrian: There's no need to extend the block to a week. All of the vandalism happened within 20 minutes. In most cases, a 31 hour block is enough for the first block.
Simple talk was vandalised once today, and once yesterday. We typically protect pages when vandalism is at a much higher level. Regards, --Ferien (talk) 09:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't agree @Ferien... Also, what do we do to users when an admin isn't online? I had to literally just spam undo and rollback for quite a while. Ely - Talk 16:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]
A couple things, we rarely protect pages unless its not possible to keep up the undoing, and in those cases it typically has to be many different accounts/ips hitting the same page. If there isn't an admin around you go and find a steward and they can help. -Djsasso (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]
To basically add onto Djsasso, other reasons pages are protected are:
  1. socking
  2. user pages at user's request
Because after all, this is the encyclopedia anyone can edit (except vandals, LTAs and spambots). Page protection is not something we like to do, but have to if disruption happens. SHB2000 (talk) 05:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[]
(talk page stalker) @Elytrian: you can always see if someone with rollback rights is online by asking on simple talk hey anyone with rollback rights available? Someone will probably respond as there are a lot of us that have that right and we can mass revert the vandalism in one click. Almost all of us watch that page and get emails on any changes. Thanks! PDLTalk to me!OMG, What have I done? (Pronouns: He, him, his) 02:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Please ban the following textEdit

[[File:2015_WNBR_Brighton_4.jpg|left|thumb]] [[File:Beach_nudism.jpg|center|thumb]] [[File:Before_trimming.jpg|right|thumb]] [[File:Circonsis_1.jpg|left|thumb]] [[File:DSCN2419_(18815608415).jpg|center|thumb]] [[File:Dad_with_daughter_2.jpg|right|thumb]] [[File:Decalotté.jpg|left|thumb]] [[File:Fesses.jpg|center|thumb]] [[File:Frisch_rasiert.jpg|right|thumb]] [[File:HPIM1276.JPG|left|thumb]] [[File:Fimosi.jpg|center|thumb]] [[File:Low_and_tight.jpg|right|thumb]]

The LTA copy pasts this same text over and over again. Ely - Talk 18:09, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I have taken measures to detect such edits, but I am not sure we actually saw them. I don't remember deleting an article with a number of sexually-explicit images recently. --Eptalon (talk) 08:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Well... I posted this over 2 weeks ago. 💠Ely - Talk💠 09:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Protection and oversightEdit

Protect Joseph Stalin please. Please also oversight the last gazillion versions so Ljupco doesn't use the histories on other websites. Ely - Talk 03:12, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Sorry for the delay. I don't think either of these actions are necessary at this time. The vandalism isn't all that overwhelming as to require protection, and the content isn't really worthy of deletion in my opinion. In any case, we know this individual's editing pattern, we know they are going to continue, so our course of action should continue to be revert, block, and ignore. --Gordonrox24 | Talk 01:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]
It doesn't need oversight, but please do not post oversight requests on wiki and use the email address in future at WP:OVERSIGHT. --IWI (talk) 12:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]
The oversight doesn't have any personal info. Its just spamming by Ljupco that he uses as wikipedia-sucks.co Ely - Talk 10:06, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Then I don't think that needs oversight. Just revdels (which can be seen only by admins, stewards and WMFOffice) SHB2000 (talk) 10:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]
But in saying that, it does need rev del otherwise he'll tend to go onto another project and paste the links to the diffs SHB2000 (talk) 10:26, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Võ Tuấn Kiệt and La Ngoc HungEdit

Please delete these cross-wiki spam pages. Thanks in advance. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 09:11, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh Place a quick deletion tag which would get it done quicker SHB2000 (talk) 10:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@SHB2000: I did, but that tag was removed. Since 3RR vio may lead to a block, I could not revert anymore. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Oops. Sorry for not looking into that. But 3RR does not apply when reverting spam or vandalism. SHB2000 (talk) 10:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Tag removing can't be count as vandalism/spam, or does the policy here allow that? Anyway, thank you for your help. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 11:18, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[]
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh The page is deleted. But if you faced any of such situations in future when you fear 3RR, then simply rewrite (simply add again) it instead of revert. Regards! Haoreima (talk) 16:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I will. Thanks. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 17:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

New clearing house for cross-wiki spamEdit

Hi,

We have created Wikiproject:Antispam in order to better coordinate between Wikimedia projects when fighting against cross-wiki promotion, covert advertising and undisclosed paid edits. If you are interested by these subjects and you want to become a point of contact for the Simple English Wikipedia, you can add your name on the Contacts tab of the project. MER-C (talk) 19:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Problem userEdit

Ashikmridha04 Is advertising himself at Ashik Mridha and he is continuing to remove the QD template that I have placed. Cheers, Hockeycatcat (talk) 09:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Hockeycatcat I saw an article like writings in his user page! Haoreima (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Haoreima I have seen that too, but I’m not sure if it is against policy or not. It’s not in the main space, so no members of the public can see it unless they somehow specifically land on his user page. Cheers, Hockeycatcat (talk) 02:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[]

The username is quite an obvious giveaway. SHB2000 (talk) 02:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Temporary protection requestEdit

Can you temporarily protect the articles Flag, Tricolour, Doner kebab, Yogurt, Country, Baklava, Republic of Artsakh, Shambali and Dolma because the IPs 212.108.146.62 and 185.135.96.2 are constantly POV pushing?

I suspect that 212.108.146.62 and 185.135.96.2 are the same person, because the POV pushing is in the same pattern in the same and related articles. The IP has a history of POV pushing and edit warring with other IP users and also administrators/rollbackers. Please check the log and POV edits of this user, and temporarily protect the articles this IP has POV edited on.

The articles Flag, Tricolour and Dolma were temporarily protected until August 7, but has been vandalized again by the same IP. Can you temporarily protect all these articles again?

This IP starts erasing sourced information, POV pushing and edit warring again, once the temporary protections end.

This is the third time I put a protection request, but no action is being taken.

Multituberculata (talk) 16:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]

pp TwinkieEdit

again... SHB2000 (talk) 06:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Page ProtectionEdit

Please Protect Help:Change conflict's History page witnesses that the page needs protection   Thank you 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 13:48, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]

It appears that the IP is vandalising on numerous wikis, so waiting for an admin to block and then stewards to globally block the IP. SHB2000 (talk) 13:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]
That's right. 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Page destroyedEdit

Hello, a vandal has recently destroyed Template:Infobox website, and I cannot recover it, I get the message "Syntax error in JSON". Cheers, Hockeycatcat (talk) 16:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Hmmm.... Gimme a minute --Derpdart56 (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Page is shot to hell, can't copy-paste revert--Derpdart56 (talk) 16:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]
  Temporarily Fixed[1][2] Please Revert it if you think i made mistake   Thank you 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks Sakura emad. I tried importing the page but yeah, it was completely broken... --Ferien (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]
the Warning message showed that the error was on Documentation page and after the revision it was back to what it was before.   Thank you 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Ferien: You almost had it. Didn't look like it worked because the vandals edit was newer than the edit you imported over. You needed to roll back to the edit that you had imported over so that it would be the newest edit. I have fixed it up now so that its on the newest version. -Djsasso (talk) 03:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I tried doing the same too (and left a message on its talk page). It's why you don't leave high traffic templates unprotected. Can someone indef protect that page? SHB2000 (talk) 01:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Harry Potter LTA is backEdit

Title. Please protect those pages SHB2000 (talk) 01:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: The process is that we protect when the vandalism is frequent enough that it's hard to keep up with, and I haven't seen it that bad so far. I have some of the pages on my watchlist, so I take care of them when I see them vandalized. So, not going to protect at this time. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
When I wrote that message, I believe they were going on but they seemed to have stopped now. Probably doesn't need protection at this stage. SHB2000 (talk) 03:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
There is a limited number of articles that mention Hermione, so they stop after they hit them all. And it's not as hard to revert it all as they may think. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I bet they don't know that a tool called rollback existed ;-) SHB2000 (talk) 05:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
SHB, WP:BEANS has been opened. 💠Ely - Talk💠 05:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Rollback is something that is quite open and public (even tags it in your edit summaries), unlike filters. SHB2000 (talk) 05:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Doesn't understand what is good faithEdit

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In good faith, I was trying to suggest User:SHB2000 not to say harsh words and hate speech on others, no matter how they did wrong. But he's not going to understand what I am trying to say. I did some more time only if he rectifies, but that's of no help. First, he said this after which I try to stop him. After some conversation, he finally said that he is not wrong and he will stand for what he had said. He has good self confidence of his actions. Dear Admins! Please try to stop him from giving such hate speech, either by good counseling or what is required according to wikipedia policies and guidelines! Regards! Haoreima (talk) 06:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

My question is, do you actually understand what GRP does? I said that he went quiet, and there's nothing with that SHB2000 (talk) 06:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Also, please explain how those words were "hate speech". All I said was that I wished GRP could get some help. In your mind, is that what you call "hate speech". SHB2000 (talk) 06:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Is is this a humble speech? Haoreima (talk) 06:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
There's a fine line between "hate speech" and speech that is "not humble". Again, do you know what GRP does to grasp the context out of my comment? SHB2000 (talk) 06:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
We are talking about a vandal banned from pretty much every WMF thing imaginable. It's more of a shoot first, ask questions later kind of deal. Derpdart56 (talk) 13:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Very much agree. Although he's more a harasser than a vandal, but still... he's WMF banned. SHB2000 (talk) 13:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't know if good faith applies in general to this guy but the comment SHB made wasn't exactly offensive. Derpdart56 (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I personally don't think one would need to assume good faith with this guy although offensive comments are discouraged when talking about him (otherwise, he'll spam your email as what he did to me 5 months back). Although I don't see how my comments were offensive, and finally I've someone else reassure me :) (but what really takes the cake here is Haoreima calling it "hate speech" and saying "I need counseling"). SHB2000 (talk) 13:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
What I am concerning is not about the person who was banned in the WMF, but about the speech of "User:SHB2000", at this. It's not fair to see. Well, let's wait for an administrator's review! Regards! Haoreima (talk) 14:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
When it comes to GRP/Ljupco? Not really. Besides, all SHB said was "I hope he gets some help." What's so bad about that? Derpdart56 (talk) 14:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I would assume you shouldn't give him any attention. (also Haoreima, please read up on who we're talking about. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
This section is initiated by me. And what you were discussing is somewhat irrelevant. I ain't concerning on the banned user. So, please focus on the topic. Haoreima (talk) 14:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Please quote the entire speech, not segments! And please be careful! Haoreima (talk) 14:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
But the banned user is relavent to the conversation. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
See! Here, I am drawing admins' attention. And please do not distract the attention. I have already told you that I started this topic here, focusing only User:SHB2000's speech and not on the banned user. The discussion about the banned user was started by you two, not I. So, please stop discussion about the irrelevant guys here. And let me wait for an admin's review. Regards! Haoreima (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Alright... Derpdart56 (talk) 14:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes and my speech was about the WMF banned user. Now all you've done indirectly is get an innocent person who's contributed to this thread to not post anything on this thread. And again, I stand for my words there. SHB2000 (talk) 14:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I did say he was relevant. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Yeah that comment was for Haoreima who said Ljupco's not relevant and that my speech was problematic. Anyway, he seems active on Commons (had a half an hour edit war with him just then on commons.) SHB2000 (talk) 14:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I mean, the comments might not have been the kindest, sure but they were kind of honest. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
So honestly, I doubt these comments were offensive with regard to their intended recipient. @Haoreima. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Ferien Hi, can you please settle this? Derpdart56 (talk) 15:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

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Hello everyone. The diff that Haoreima showed does not show incivility towards the editor mentioned, in my opinion. This editor (w:WP:LTA/GRP) is indeed one who has been harassing Wikipedians for many years, and has been editing despite his more recent WMF ban. However, it is probably best not to talk about him so much onwiki; blocking, reverting and ignoring (in that order) is always the best strategy with this editor. If there are no admins, ignore but revert later. Reverting many times increases the visiblility of the vandalism. And, talking about him is not the best idea, because that's not ignoring. So whilst I don't think the diff that Haoreima shows is incivility, can we please try and talk about GRP less? Thanks. --Ferien (talk) 16:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Haoreima, SHB2000, Derpdart56: <- Pings --Ferien (talk) 16:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I am not talking about the banned user. I am talking about "User:SHB2000" talking about the mental condition of a user, whom he had no good relation. What I am trying to say is that it's not civil. We can't say that it's not uncivil. It's against the WP:POLITE. Haoreima (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I agree with Ferien. I didn't see any uncivil intent. Derpdart56 (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Haoreima ping Derpdart56 (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
And why would I be polite to somebody who harasses me? 💠Ely - Talk💠 16:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
That was kind of my point. Derpdart56 (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Well, if someone's being uncivil to you, you should never go down to their level and be uncivil back. The rules are not "You can be uncivil if someone's being uncivil to you", they clearly say "Be civil", all the time. Ferien (talk) 16:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Good point. Derpdart56 (talk) 16:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
So, you guys, do you mean that "a person saying about another person having mental condition inflicting pains on others" is a "civil speech"? By saying "not uncivil" means "civil". Right! Do you mean that? Haoreima (talk) 16:55, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Haoreima: @Ferien agreed with you... 💠Ely - Talk💠 16:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Haoreima, there's a difference between "not uncivil" and "civil", which I've already explained above. SHB2000 (talk) 01:19, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Ferien, Elytrian: You don't need to be "polite", but you also shouldn't be uncivil nor impolite with him. You don't need to give him respect, but at the same time not be disrespectful with him. Kinda something neutral. SHB2000 (talk) 01:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
"talking about the mental condition of a user, whom he had no good relation"
You mean, empathising someone's mental condition was uncivil? And despite how much GRP hates me, to be honest, I'm lost for words here. SHB2000 (talk) 01:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I've always tried to deny him, although I do talk a little bit about him. Now I only brought that up because Sakura emad tried to stop an edit war between myself and GRP, although they didn't know much about him which was completely okay (the barnstar was for trying to stop an edit war, at least from their perspective). SHB2000 (talk) 22:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Well, there are other ways to tell a user, without giving them attention onwiki. --Ferien (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
True. But Haoreima has just given him a lot of attention by starting this thread. I've seen many people talk about him on enwiki or on other projects, and nothing too bad about it, although it does go against WP:DENY. SHB2000 (talk) 06:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
This is the fourth time I am saying that I am not talking about the banned user here, I am concerning only at SHB2000's way of describing another user (whether that user is vandal or normal). It's a very bad thing to speak like that, mentioning something like mental condition, causing inflicting pains, etc. These aren't good words to describe a person in the on wiki. Haoreima (talk) 07:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
And this is the umpteenth time you've been told that context matters and my comments were not uncivil. While my original comment wouldn't have grabbed attention, all you've done is now give him attention. The context matters. SHB2000 (talk) 07:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

This thread is going nowhere but around in circles I am going to archive it. SHB2000's comments do not rise to the level where they are at issue. Haoreima, the banned user matters because of context. You can't look at SHB2000's comments without also considering what they were about. I suggest you drop the stick and walk away. -Djsasso (talk) 03:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]


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Harassment or not...?Edit

Hello, I'm just wondering if comments made on my talk page at "Do not add any unresonable comment to my talk page again" can be considered as a PA since they were making fun of my enwiki block and mistakes I have made in the past. I'm not offended but I'm not sure if it's allowed or not. Cheers, Hockeycatcat (talk) 15:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Looks like he's probably mad at you. DingoTalk 15:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I do see issues with writing that message on. Probably personal attack. SHB2000 (talk) 22:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

It was about 2:00am for me when I was editing because I was bored. It is clearly a PA and I don't know why I created this thread. This is as close to "sleep-editing" as you can get! Hockeycatcat (talk) 09:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I see I'm not the only one editing up at night ;-) Was up til 00:30 on Commons yesterday. SHB2000 (talk) 11:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Third... I edit 13 hours a day... at night too... 💠Ely - Talk💠 11:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
13? Dang, but that's a lot. The max I've done one day was 6 although that wasn't on this wiki (with 20% of that 6 hours reverting GRP ;)). SHB2000 (talk) 11:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm at it again, its 00:47 for me right now, and I am fully aware of what I am doing! Hockeycatcat (talk) 14:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
For once, I unusually wasn't editing past 00:00 yesterday :-) SHB2000 (talk) 03:39, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

RevdelEdit

Hello, sorry to be a pain, but could somebody please revdel [1] this? Thanks, Hockeycatcat (talk) 09:44, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

BTW I think you should probably use e-mail or Direct Messages through Discord for revdel'ing. Etoza (?) 16:34, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Temp protectionEdit

Can Deaths in 2021 be temporarily protected? IPs have been falsely adding living people to the list. Etoza (?) 16:32, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

RPPEdit

Talk:Joseph StalinEdit

Temporary semi-protection: Content Dispute/Edit Warring. Hockeycatcat (talk) 15:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Set to autoconfirmed, for two weeks...--Eptalon (talk) 16:27, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

An IP keeps redirecting place names and then moves them to a page with the English and native nameEdit

There's an IP that has been regularly moving place names to the place name in English and their native name under numerous IPs, which include Moscow and Chernobyl, but also some others too. Given them a lev 4 MoS warning as I think this is their third IP address that has been doing this. Asking an admin to take care of this as this is too complex for VIP. Not only is this disruptive, but they also don't give attribution. SHB2000 (talk) 05:43, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]