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Country-musicians *raised* in 'a state of the United States'

There were some
"List of country musicians from 'state in the United States']],
that were deleted some years ago.--Those, and List of country musicians from California, have little interest, to me.
("Never-ending" discussions about the meaning of 'from', is not my cup of tea.) However,
List of country musicians raised in Texas,
is a list that i might start.--If a person was raised in two or more states, then I am fine with just having that person in "Related pages", or (much less likely) section "Raised in different states".

List of country musicians from California, has some names that 'could end up on two lists'.--However, I am not planning on starting,
"List of country musicians raised in California".--Is there anything more to say then, except: if there are too many protests about "my" list, then it will get taken to AfD?--Remember also to give thanks to those who do a lot of work with categories. 2001:2020:341:DA4B:F071:D4FE:8575:D928 (talk) 23:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Kris Kristofferson (d. 2024), has 'always' been on the 'California list' (because he was raised there).--When any 'Texas list' gets created - then how does one avoid him being 'Listed on two similar lists'?

The following could be mentioned on 'the (upcoming) Texas list',

"* Kris Kristoffersen [not blue-linked]" ,see List of country musicians raised in California"

In that way, Kristoffersen 'is only on one list (California)' (and the few people that know that Kristoffersen was born in Texas, will find his name, and see which 'one list that Kristoffersen really belongs to'. Note: there is no list here called, "List of ... born in California").

"Raised in California", is part of topic "From Californa". (Would anyone argue "No", to that point?) 2001:2020:355:C958:1431:DC72:A783:3460 (talk) 02:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC) / 02:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:DA4B:F071:D4FE:8575:D928

List of country musicians from Texas.

Please move this discussion to the talk pages about those article. (As long as the above link, remains a blue-link.) 2001:2020:355:C958:844A:668F:EAB3:62AA (talk) 03:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Lists like this should list where they were born. fr33kman 05:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

we already have enough problems with '... from ...', what does it mean that someone is 'from California', 'From Mexico', etc? - Were peopel born there, were these places impoerant for their carrers, did they spend a lot of time there? - Also, at what age does 'raised stop'? . 12, 14, 18, 21, 25? No need for an extra classification. Eptalon (talk) 21:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

List of country musicians from Texas, seems to not have "your" concerns/problems.--If you think that the article should be deleted, then you might want to nominate it for Delete.--If you have an example of anyone who is on the wrong list, then i suggest that you take up the matter on the talk page of 'musicians from that state'.--One person should only be linked from one list (and I can not see any problem yet, now that Kristoffersen seems to 'be on only one page'). 2001:2020:341:B0D8:49A7:52CE:A985:441A (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any benefits to change things to other than there are now. fr33kman 06:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Request

Can I talk to somebody on here privately? It's about a falling out I had with several admins and editors on enwiki that got me blocked indefinitely and I'm  not discussing this on there for reasons I'm not gonna go into. 121.136.126.163 (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to write me a mail, I am open to discussion. Eptalon (talk) 23:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

It's about a group of users and admins attacking/insulting me and blocking me on enwiki 210.217.117.24 (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

We are not here to comment of enwiki's problems with thier users. They don't comment on our issues, we don't generally comment of their issues. Please email their admins mailing list instead of trying to get us to help you fight your case. fr33kman 21:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

The admins are not going to respond on any of the mailing lists

I wouldn't be coming to this page for help if they were responding to me 2601:C8:280:8000:747A:CFD:7DF7:7978 (talk) 21:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrator note: /64 is globally blocked as LTA. MathXplore (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Talk about a proxy chain.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 06:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@Fr33kman:? 178.234.79.192 (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

We are not interested in helping you fight your case on enwiki. You are disruptong this project and are now under the WP: ONESTRIKE rule. fr33kman 23:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrator note: This IP is also a blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I think we can called them indefinitely blocked here also. fr33kman 06:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrator note: Special:Contributions/210.217.117.24 is another blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 23:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrator note: The IP editor is a blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 00:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, at last someone who notices. XXBlackburnXx (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

\: .- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Would anyone like to look at a display error?

In the infobox on Kallithea there are some stray characters right before and right after the images. I did a little investigation, but I couldn't find the problem and I can't keep looking at it right now. Maybe someone else would like to try...? -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I updated Template:Infobox Greek Dimos from en:Template:Infobox Greek place and it is now working correctly. Previously, our version of the template was not a wrapper of Template:Infobox settlement, but now it is. Batrachoseps (talk) 15:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@Batrachoseps: Thanks! -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject

Hi, I made a WikiProject called WikiProject Games. You can join if you want! Thetree284 (talk) 23:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The WikiProject has been renamed from Gaming to Games because I want to include board games too. Thetree284 (talk) 03:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The new pages in this WikiProject are: Sorry! (game) and Trouble (board game). Thetree284 (talk) 23:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Paid editing

Having come across User:CheerfulJug whilst deleting the BLP page they were editing it occurred to me we may wish to alter Twinkle to have a single purpose notice template to address paid editing on this project. Personally, I find paid editing disturbing but that's just my opinion. Thoughts? fr33kman 21:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Better controlled, contained paid editing with established norms than sneaky paid editing. If you can't stop it, regulate it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to Participate in Wiki Loves Ramadan Community Engagement Survey

Dear all,

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To ensure that Wiki Loves Ramadan is engaging, inclusive, and impactful, we kindly invite you to participate in our community engagement survey. Your feedback will help us understand the needs of the community, set the event's focus, and guide our strategies for organizing this global event.

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Wiki Loves Ramadan Organizing Team

Automatic archiving for WP:RFCU

Hello all, the requests at WP:RFCU usually get handled fairly quickly. I would therefore propose we set up the bot to also archive them automatically; proposed parameters: 10d old, min 2 threads left. Comments? Eptalon (talk) 08:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Related previous discussion can be seen at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_checkuser#Archiving. MathXplore (talk) 00:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Considering how RfCU works, I would want to see the bot be tested in a RfCU replica before firmly saying yay or nay.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 10:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Pure Evil offered a reasonable point at Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser#Archiving 2. I feel like it is probably best for CUs to manually review each one prior to it going to the archived, as responses can often go unanswered - and I appreciate sometimes this is on purpose. --Ferien (talk) 16:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Idk, I'm 50:50 on this one. It'd be nice to have them auto archived due to workload issues but understand the issues of wanting to manually close them out. I'd lean towards a bot if it could be made to work. fr33kman 18:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

i think the bot handling the other page archiving could be made to work. It would archive discussions that haven't Bern touched in .. days, leaving at least ... Items on the page? Eptalon (talk) 19:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I would leave it to the people with the checkuser right to decide, but I have a question. Is there an amount of time an unaddressed request can be left, after which either it is considered stale or the checkusers wouldn't do anything with it? I would let that be the number of days old to use for archiving. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

(Non-checkuser observation) @Auntof6: m:CheckUser_policy#CheckUser_status says information is only stored for a short period (currently 90 days), so I think this is the time limit. MathXplore (talk) 07:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

As to the data availability: requests need to be made fairly quickly, information that is older than about three months is deleted. As you requests: I would guess s bot could (technically) handle archiving old requests.... Eptalon (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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I found C:User:SpBot/How to make SpBot archive your wiki that looks like it could help with this. A note on C:Commons talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology, which the bot archives, says that it archives 1) any section tagged as resolved and 2) any section whose most recent comment is older than 90 days. Of course, maybe our usual archiving bot can do the same thing. --Auntof6 (talk) 13:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Template:Langx

I was expanding features on {{Langx}}. To import data from en:Module:Lang, in order to work properly for Module:Lang/langx.

Also:

• en:Module:Lang/data/iana languages
• en:Module:Lang/data/iana scripts
• en:Module:Lang/data/iana regions
• en:Module:Lang/data/iana variants
• en:Module:Lang/data/iana suppressed scripts

49.150.3.189 (talk) 14:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

If you are making a request here, please be specific about what you want done. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Does anyone have admin requests for expanding Module:Lang for {{Langx}}? 49.150.11.37 (talk) 00:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but you were told to be specific with what you want doing. We not mind readers. fr33kman 01:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

IRC weirdness

Is 873Gear giving anyone else "dangerous website" and other error messages? I haven't been able to get in for weeks. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Tropical cyclone

Is it better to just have one article for tropical cyclone, or should there be separate articles depending on where they happen, such as typhoon (in the northwestern Pacific) and hurricane (in the eastern Pacific and Atlantic)? Batrachoseps (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I think we should match en and have it so tropical cyclone contains the main details, but they are also branched off into Atlantic hurricane and typhoon. Hurricane in its current state should be redirected to the tropical cyclone article, imo. --Ferien (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Templates for discussion

I came across the following navbox templates that I would like a discussion on.

• Template:Clothing (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
• Template:Crowns (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
• Template:Hats (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
• Template:Headgear (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
• Template:Helmets (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
• Template:Historical clothing (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

These templates:

• Have a large number of links, mostly red but some with a fair number of blue
• Are all clothing-related
• Are transcluded on one page (the historical clothing one) or no pages
• Except for the historical clothing one, were created by a user who appeared to be creating templates because they appeared in wanted templates. However, the only places that used them were lists of related templates on template doc pages.

I was about to start adding these to the blue-linked pages, but I thought it was worth discussing first. The reason I am putting these up for discussion is that they would take up more space in an article than the article text on most of the articles that are blue-linked. Are we okay with having navboxes that overwhelm the body of an article?

There are probably more templates with the same issue, but this is a small group of related ones that I happened to see around the same time.

Please do not add these to articles until we have a chance to have this discussion, so that that we won't have to remove them again later. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Question

In many articles, some words are linked with English Wikipedia like this: [[:en:Article name|Article]]. Should the English Wikipedia link be used, or should it only be linked to this Wikipedia article, even if the article is missing here? CosmLearner (talk) ^contribs 21:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

There should not be that kind of link to any other Wikipedia. In fact, there shouldn't be links in an article's text to any other website. The link should be left red if there's nothing to link to here. See WP:ELPOINTS for the guideline. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

But you can use {{ill}} to make a red link to simplewiki and a link to another wiki at the same time. Batrachoseps (talk) 23:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@Batrachoseps: You can, but that's kind of messy. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I have a question

Here's a weird question, for example, if an article on Simple English Wikipedia is created with good grammar, formatting, and spelling, but it's much shorter than the English Wikipedia article, how can it still become a good article or a very good article? Bakhos Let's talk! 04:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I think there are minimal length requirements, bit they are fluffy. VGAs need to be comprehensive, which likely means they end up at a certain length. Why don't you nominate the article when you think it is ready? The people active at reviewing will give ideas as to how to improve it. Eptalon (talk) 07:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

"Aviation biofuel" (and little else in the first sentence of the lede)

"An aviation biofuel (also known as bio-jet fuel or bio-aviation fuel (BAF)) is a biofuel used to power aircraft and is a sustainable aviation fuel (SAF)", according to

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_biofuel

.That is the lede of an article at En-wiki.--"My" (upcoming) article will aim to not have sustainable aviation fuel in the first sentence (or first period) of the lede. Does "maintaining simplicity" seem like an okay reason to move sustainable aviation fuel, out of the first sentence, in our (upcoming) article? 2001:2020:323:DB8F:59DB:9960:C6EE:17E1 (talk) 16:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Aviation biofuel, now has a Talk page.--Discussion moved to that (relevant) Talk page. 2001:2020:323:DB8F:59DB:9960:C6EE:17E1 (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)