Wikipedia

Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 162

< Wikipedia:Simple talk

Commons gadgets

Somehow both Wikipedia:HotCat and commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot are not working for me. They’re both Commons gadgets, Wikimedia Commons itself doesn’t seem to work for me—I can only access it when using a VPN. However, as per Wikipedia’s policies, we can’t edit with proxies. Is anyone else experiencing this issue, and does anyone know how to fix it? It seems like Commons might be blocked in my region; is there a known ban? – Cyber.Eyes.2005Talk 14:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It works fine in Italy [1] ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 01:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, there are probably some restrictions in my region, I think. – Cyber.Eyes.2005Talk 09:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyber.Eyes.2005: I don't know why there would be geographical restrictions on the gadgets. The best place to ask would probably be wherever the support for them is -- maybe somewhere on MediaWiki?
The only things I've ever noticed is that certain Cat-a-lot functions don't work here the way they do on Commons. I can do everything from a category page, but Cat-a-lot is also supposed to work from other pages, such as from search results, but that hasn't worked for me. I've assumed that we don't have all the "pieces" here, but I don't really know. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For me, these two tools don’t work at all; like they don’t even show up. But as soon as I enable a VPN, they appear and "seemingly" start working. However, I can’t edit with them because proxies are restricted from editing on Wikipedia. Also, thanks for the suggestion, I’ll see if I can ask about it on MediaWiki. – Cyber.Eyes.2005Talk 10:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rock Lee

Hi all, I will be working on this page for a few days in hopes that I can bring it to GA. There is a lot of work to be done like dealing with the red links, and some more simplification in the lower sections. Any advice and help will be much appreciated. Further about the page can be discussed on the talk page. I will be watching the page so I will try to reply to the comments as quickly as possible. BRP ever 16:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cite book error

Hi, Over at East Lancs Greenway I've added access dates to the 2 books however in doing so it now brings up a "Check date values in: |access-date=" error, I've reread Help:CS1_errors#bad_date about 10 times and I still can't figure out what or where the issue us?,

Apologies in advance if I've missed something glaringly obvious I've only had 5 hours sleep, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 21:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Davey2010 I don't understand character encodings, but there are hidden characters just before the closing brackets in both of these citations. If you remove those characters and just type in "2024}}", the errors go away. 2601:644:9083:5730:5DEE:7211:EF2B:6CC1 (talk) 22:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@2601:644:9083:5730:5DEE:7211:EF2B:6CC1, You are amazing thank you so much!, Never even thought of that so thank you for your help it's very much greatly appreciated, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 23:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding languages

It used to be easy to connect to other Wikipedias with the same article. Things have changed, and I can't see how to do it. Our Ichkabal article should be linked to the Spanish Wikipedia's article on it. Kdammers (talk) 05:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not very familiar with Wikipedia's policies on interlanguage-linking just yet, but I think you shouldn't link an article to other Wikipedias just because it is remotely related (through countries, for example). It's like linking to enwiki, that is looked down upon. 🪐●Haumeon 05:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We no longer link inter-language wikis by adding Interwikis at the bottom of the page—that was the old method. Now, we connect pages directly through Wikidata. You'll need to create an entry there and link the same articles across different Wikipedias. If you provide me with the link to the Spanish Wikipedia article for Ichkabal, I can link them both for you. – Cyber.Eyes.2005Talk 05:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What Kdammers is pointing out is that adding interwiki links (via Wikidata) is indeed much harder in the Vector 2022 skin than the Vector Legacy (2010) skin. On the Vector Legacy skin, there is a pencil icon which you can click and simply enter the language code and the title of the page you want to connect to. If that page is already connected to a Wikidata item, it adds the simplewiki link; if not, it creates a Wikidata item with both pages. On Vector 2022, as far as I can tell, you have to go to the Wikidata page to do this. I use Vector Legacy for this reason. I have no idea why the developers didn't make this process easier. Batrachoseps (talk) 05:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can't you email or contact MediaWiki/the developers to fix this? 🪐●Haumeon 05:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Batrachoseps I see, I’ve been using the Vector 2022 skin from the start and didn’t realize that. With Vector 2022, you don’t actually have to go to Wikidata to link pages if you're on a PC/desktop. On the right side in the Tools bar, there’s an “edit interlanguage links” option. If you click on that, the process I believe is similar to Vector Legacy (2010)—you just add the language code and page title, and it connects them. If the page doesn’t exist, it creates an entry on Wikidata. – Cyber.Eyes.2005Talk 05:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyber.Eyes.2005 I see, it's the "edit interlanguage links" in the sidebar. I had assumed it was the "add languages" at the top of the page that appears when the page isn't connected to other language versions. When I couldn't add the links there, I didn't think of looking elsewhere. Thanks for the tip! Batrachoseps (talk) 05:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To change your skin, go to Special:Preferences and then the "Appearance" tab. Batrachoseps (talk) 05:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Misinformation in an article

The article - Bangladesh Madrasah Education Board contains information about 'Darunnajat Siddiquia Kamil Madrasa', probably a Madrasah of Bangladesh. I think the article should be deleted. 😬CsmLrner 19:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non admin closure

Per this Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 06:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like I missed the 2023 discussion, but I continue to stand by what I said in 2020, and I agree that the argument about backlog reduction is not a very strong one (or even a significant one, for that matter). To quote Fehufanga in the 2023 discussion: What we need is more people actively participating in RfDs by leaving comments that are not just votes... or ambiguous !votes. --Chenzw  Talk  07:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chenzw So can I continue? Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 07:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't think you can (or even should have started). My personal take was that I wouldn't mind NACs for unambiguous results, but I don't see any consensus supporting an NAC process in the 2023 discussion. Chenzw  Talk  07:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Davey2010 Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 07:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You ignore my advice, post here and then want me to comment again ?, The mind truly boggles. Don't ping me again. –Davey2010Talk 10:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You asked to post on simple talk? for advice? Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 10:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you get "I should go to Simple talk" from this comment > (If Auntof6 has a problem they can go to Simple Talk and either ask for clarification or start a proposal on the matter,), Which part of that quoted comment tells you you should go to the talkpage?. –Davey2010Talk 10:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oh Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 10:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it was my misunderstanding sorry Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 10:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah well damage has been done now, 2 admins have now told you you cannot close RFDs so you can't close them now. Have a great day. –Davey2010Talk 10:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn’t planning to, not that it matters. Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 11:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I endose there not being an non-admin closure on simplewiki. The current cadre can handle it especially now that we've asked people to run for admin. fr33kman 14:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see no reason as to why people cannot close RFDs here, Yes I supported disallowing it in the 2023 discussion linked above however since then it's become apparent some admins don't close RFDs once they've speedied an article, Cactus was closing RFDs where the admins didn't close the RFDs once they speedied the article and so I don't see a problem with their closures here and in fact we should welcome this sort of helpful editing instead of disallowing it and thus allowing random people to comment on deleted articles. Also by allowing people to do this sort of work it gives them some knowledge and insight in to admin areas and allows people to help out when there's no admins on, plus it's a box ticked for RFA. –Davey2010Talk 14:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think I agree with this. While admins are encouraged to close the RFD of pages they QDd, I see no reason why users shouldn't be able to use common sense and close for those they didn't. This isn't even a big deal, and any issue that may occur can be resolved easily. At most, we might just have to re-open the discussion. I think it's best if we admins assist users with problems if it arises instead of barring people for simple tasks. BRP ever 14:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Italy

I created a new WikiProject for those who are interested in Italy. Join now! Astera🪻 talk edits 22:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Red flags of science (popping up again)

Ambipolar electric field - please consider de-publishing or USERFY.

(This article makes me about as uncomfortable as the one that i wrote about in July: That thread was 'Please remove a false statement (about Chemistry) from an article'.)--Justification: thousands of hours studying science, gives me a feeling that something (or much) in the Ambipolar electric field article is not right.--FWIW - I doubt that our article will be regarded as having redeeming qualities, if one asks En-wiki if that article could be of interest to them (and they do not have that title). 2001:2020:341:BA4B:8456:85DD:62AF:8765 (talk) 20:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that most of the sources that talks about it came about recently and the fact that this was just recent discovery (the NASA article as of writing is just one day ago), I highly doubt that this article will be suitable for English Wikipedia as per the lack of in-depth coverage of the subject. Maybe giving it more time to have more coverage? But as of now, it's best to just de-publish the article given that it has no article yet in en-wiki. AsianStuff03 (talk) 06:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:AsianStuff03 brings up some excellent points.--For now, i do not think it would be enough to tag the article (with any number of tags).--Perhaps we could move the mention, to the relevant article about the blah-blah-sphere of the atmosphere (the one which is at one hundred and umpteen km/miles above the Earth's surface).--With the current article, i think that we are running the risk of it becoming a milestone in a negative way. Perhaps not unlike, The Emperor's New Clothes.--Anyone has my support in nominating the article for Delete (while i fix other articles). 2001:2020:30B:CC99:61FD:DB12:D4B2:6879 (talk) 16:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:BA4B:8456:85DD:62AF:8765[reply]
Hi, have you thought about starting a WP:RfD? ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 16:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that another Wikipedia (English or any other Wik) does not have an article on this topic is irrelevant. We are an separate Wik and not some sort of daughter of the English Wikipedia. Kdammers (talk) 17:55, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, anyone is welcome to suggest the contents of our article, to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Physics .--Not even their "ten-foot pole cabinet", will be opened in connection with that. At least not this month.--Me? I will be busy fixing other articles, and sniffing out other dubious (or even not-yet-ready-to-be-wikiPublished) stuff. Good luck! 2001:2020:30B:CC99:61FD:DB12:D4B2:6879 (talk) 18:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This change in electric potential energy [sic] is just the right amount to explain the supersonic solar wind."--This sentence has at least two areas that ('might') need work (and at some point one would also have to make wiki-links).--Suggestion: Anyone can write an article about the rocket taking off and splashing down (and then anyone can fill in (or dabble) about the scientific observations done while the rocket was underway). That article would quite possibly be a 'keeper'.--As for our (bad-science article or) 'science' article, one would need a nomination for Delete, before I 'can' 'bus in' more science experts to also look at why we should not keep the article (and likely not keep the title, either).--Good luck (while i am working on other articles, and looking out for nomination for Delete). 2001:2020:335:9888:29BA:2379:7311:EB0B (talk) 03:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:BA4B:8456:85DD:62AF:8765[reply]

    Clarification: Suggestion: Anyone can write a new article about the rocket taking off and ... .--Another thing: canvassing is not permitted, of course. 2001:2020:335:9888:C5F3:A2A:1C92:A271 (talk) 03:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC) //2001:2020:341:BA4B:8456:85DD:62AF:8765[reply]
    Hello IP, with very few exception, anyone can write an article on anything they like, in Wikipedia. As to the article:
    • there is a site of NASA, explaining it; it also has a nicve (fairly recent) explanation video, see here
    • I find scientific artilces about the effect, the oldest one from 1955, see here
    The article itself is in simple language, so what reason is there to delete or userify it?
    So if you think it should be deleted, make a request; but in my vew, this is a legitimate, simple article Eptalon (talk) 16:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I try to check, once every week, if the article has been nominated for Delete.--Taking it from that point (a prospective nomination), will be fine.--Chances are, the article will then crash and burn.--Then the (de-published) article will become a benchmark of sorts, and will serve as a warning of sorts, about one way we might not be taking care of things, in the future.--Train wrecks reach a point, when it is too late to stop (one might say).--It would be possible to take the article (verbatim), and put the title as a section, in some existing article; As a last section in the Arctic area article, will not make the situation go from bad to worse, one might claim.--However, the money shot (so to speak) will be the results from the (prospective) Delete discussion. 2001:2020:351:A342:D51B:FEDC:4A2A:7B37 (talk) 19:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Update: Things that were not true, were removed from the article, over half a week ago (and the talk-page will come to reflect what other misunderstandings might be impacting the article).--The article ain't gonna be burnin'. 2001:2020:323:D3CA:446A:FEEC:D94A:7361 (talk) 04:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:BA4B:8456:85DD:62AF:8765 /2001:2020:323:D3CA:446A:FEEC:D94A:7361 (talk) 04:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I and a few others, have done some first-aid on the En-wiki article. If y'all keep your article superclose to what the En-wiki article says, then you will likely not have any 'lies regarding science' in your article.--Note: A (or any) polarization electric field comes in different 'flavors'; All ambipolar electric fields are a kind of polarization electric field.--Note also that "ambipolar" here, has nothing to do with the North Pole and the South Pole of the Earth.--Best title? Maybe Ambipolar electric field of the ionosphere.--To imply that the the electric field that has been indicated 'by the 2022 rocket-flight', is the only one that has to do with the Earth - would be a dubious claim, uncareful claim, and 'somewhat preposterous claim'.--Good luck while i fix other articles. 2001:2020:317:ACB3:D5D9:4A18:8F23:9FCE (talk) 03:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:BA4B:8456:85DD:62AF:8765[reply]

More checkusers?

hello, When I look at the requests for checkuser page, I see that most requests get handled by two or perhaps three checkusers. We are all volunteers, abd I think another checkuser might come in handy. Please note that per our guideline only administrators can apply. Also note that the Foundation had some extra requirements (Most notably: adult where you live, identified to the foundation, and sign a special agreement). Also Meta wants 25 votes,70% of them in support,which is difficult to obtain in a week. I nevertheless invite people to apply, being able to handle requests in s timely manner is important. Eptalon (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eptalon and I had a private discussion about this topic and both agreed that at least one new CU is needed to keep up with requests. Please note that not all of the checks done are listed on the RFCU page as check users often perform checks whilst investigating xwiki vandalism and in certain other circumstances. Therefore the visible workload is less than the actual workload with checks per day ranging from 3 to well over 40. I think that candidates must be technically conversant with the IP protocol, CIDR, XFF, user agents and other technical aspects of using the CU tool and should be well familiar with not just WMF policy but both simplewiki policy and the technical documentation on the MediaWiki website. An ability to have a good working relationship with check users from other wikis and the stewards would be ideal as would familiarity with the enwiki SPI process as we very much work together since we are both highly visible English speaking projects. fr33kman 18:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point to note for any new CUs. Simplewiki-only sockpuppetry is pretty rare, basically all of the cases we have are cross-wiki. Which requires an understanding of how to engage with stewards, investigate xwiki abuse, etc. Vermont (🐿️—🏳️‍🌈) 02:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eptalon perhaps we could "feature" those requests here in the hopes of giving them more visibility. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 02:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can hold them the usual manner as always. fr33kman 02:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If necessary, I can step up for the role. I am familiar with the policies as a former steward and former wikidata CU. I think I have a decent amount of cross-wiki and simplewiki experience.--BRP ever 06:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting, if anyone else wants to step up, I am happy to support them. BRP ever 12:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BRPever If you want you could, I would gladly support you. Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 12:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same here Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great. You're certainly experienced enough. Go for it. It's a minimum of one active CU we're asking for, more would be great. fr33kman 15:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Long-lasting events and their categories

For events that last many months (e.g. COVID-19 pandemic, Russian invasion of Ukraine) or years (e.g. War in Afghanistan (2001–2021), World War II), should they be included in every monthly (e.g. Category:January 2024 events) or yearly category? Should there be some limit to this? If they are to be included, should the article (e.g. Israel–Hamas war) or the category (e.g. Category:Israel–Hamas war) be placed there? Batrachoseps (talk) 04:57, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that would be useful. Note that things like the conflict between Israel and other settlers there has gone on since the state was formed (in the 1950s) I think. Perhaps have use the yearly categories for that? Eptalon (talk) 06:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Israel was formed from British Mandate of Palestine in 1948 fr33kman 16:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meta Quest 3

I feel like this article is, after a lot of maintenance, now ready to be nominated to GA status. What do you guys think? Contributor118,784 Let's talk 12:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if it is great that a GA nominee has a disputed tag in it.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the error (being the disputed tag as it's not needed anymore, I just needed to reword it). Contributor118,784 Let's talk 16:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say it's GA material now.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 18:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say it's not ready. It uses terms that are not simple. I'm a college graduate of an American university, and I don't know what "pancake lenses"are -- and I can only guess at "passthrough." Kdammers (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can't simplify "pancake lenses", and "passthrough" is self-explanatory. Contributor118,784 Let's talk 13:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and nominated it for GA status, wish me luck. Contributor118,784 Let's talk 12:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editor experience invitation

Hi :) I'm looking for experienced editors to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 08:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme I'll fill it out Astera🪻 talk edits 14:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have filled it out too. 🪐●Haumeon●🪐 16:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 11:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 11:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

missing stub themes

Category:Stub categories

There are a lot of quite specific stub topics, but we're missing some significant broad themes.

We need stub categories for language and culture, one of each, and possibly something general about news or journalism, those names or something similar. The closest are literature, geography, politics, and religion, a lot of language or culture topics don't really fit in those specific themes.

LagoonGoose (talk) 13:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LagoonGoose: The general {{stub}} template can be used for things that don't fit any of the more-specific stub types.
This wiki keeps the number of stub types to a minimum. New types need to be approved at Wikipedia talk:Simple Stub Project. Typical requirements for getting a new type approved are 1) the existence of at least 1,000 articles that fit the new type and 2) one or more users who are going to do a lot of work to expand those articles. Just changing the stub type on an article (called "stub sorting") isn't considered helpful. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How many are currently unsorted? LagoonGoose (talk) 14:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LagoonGoose: I'm not sure what you mean. Please clarify. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How many are just "stub" with nothing more specific? LagoonGoose (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LagoonGoose: I probably can't give you an exact number, but here are some stats:
I don't know what accounts for the difference in the two numbers. -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 the automatic text on categories says something like "may not reflect recent changes", so it probably just takes a while to catch up. LagoonGoose (talk) 16:19, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the difference in numbers is probably because some pages use {{Multistub}} with a blank parameter, which can add them to Category:Stubs and another stub category. 73.170.137.168 (talk) 16:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we can find any like that, we should probably change them so they only add the article to a more-specific category. -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:51, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at what's there, some combination of "media" and "social sciences" would cover a lot of it. There's quite a few languages, but provably not 1000, they could go in either "social sciences" or "media and communication". There's also news outlets, books, book characters, etc. which could go in a "media" category. "Africa" might work, but possibly doesn't have 1000. LagoonGoose (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LagoonGoose: Well, maybe they could, but we don't create new stub types just because there are a lot of articles that would fit them. As I said, stubs are managed differently here. This is another way things are kept simple here. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't actually know how other wikis manage stubs, I've only looked at it here. I was looking for ways to be helpful, sorting the unsorted subs looked like a thing that needed doing, but if my suggestions aren't helpful I'll ignore the stub categories and leave it how it is. LagoonGoose (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LagoonGoose: Understood, and your wanting to be helpful is much appreciated! If you want, I can give some thought to something that needs doing that you might want to do. Would you want something easy, or would you be interested in doing something more complicated? -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:48, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 lets start with simple? LagoonGoose (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LagoonGoose: Would you like to work on dead-end pages? A dead-end page is a page that has no links to other pages. You would figure out what words/terms should be linked and add those links. You can find dead-end pages in two places:
I'll give you one piece of guidance on these. When adding links, link to complete ideas/topics, which doesn't always mean individual words. I worked on a few of these yesterday, and here are some examples of what I mean:
  • In The Book of Pooh, I linked the whole term "children's television series", instead of linking the three words separately or linking "television series" separately
  • In Ae (Cyrillic), I linked the term "Cyrillic script" instead of linking the two words separately
Of course, sometimes a single word is the right thing to link.
If that doesn't interest you, let me know and I'll keep looking. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:31, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 am I linking in our out? What is the difference between the two sets? LagoonGoose (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LagoonGoose: I'm not sure what you mean. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about {{Africa-stub}} and {{Middle-East-stub}}? We have {{Asia-stub}} and {{Europe-stub}} but no Africa, and there are enough stubs about the modern Middle East that they warrant a set more specific than Asia or geography. LagoonGoose (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LagoonGoose: This wiki manages the stubs differently from, for example, English Wikipedia. It doesn't create stub types just to have a complete set. If you'd like to have a new type, subject to what I mentioned above, you can request it at Wikipedia talk:Simple Stub Project. You might want to read previous requests for new types to get an idea of what is required to create new ones. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
no, it wasn't to have a "complete set", I was just trying to think of stub categories that might cover a lot of what is not currently described well in any existing sets. LagoonGoose (talk) 17:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed - active admins

Having spoken to a few admins we feel we need at least two new, active, admins. We have 6 active admins at the moment. I'd like to encourage mature, active editors to think about it and offering your services to run for admin. Being an admin is no big deal and is easy to do. Thank you and good luck to those who decide to run. Yours, fr33kman 22:05, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy links:
—Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fr33kman Who do you think are applicable and what are your criteria? Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 08:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone with more than 4 to 6 months of editing fits the basic time rule and the criteria are listed in the link above. I'd encourage anyone who meets them to apply. Please note: we have had admins on simplewiki before who were or still may be blocked on other projects. Whilst not idle we'd treat each case upon its own merits. fr33kman 13:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to state that if you want to be an admin but see that there are already a number of RfAs running not to worry. Put up your RfA as well. The worst thing is we end up with 6 new admins. Trust me that'd be great. fr33kman 14:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I do agree we need more people to help with the workload, I feel we also need to be careful not to encourage candidates who are not yet ready. Over the past few weeks, we have had three unsuccessful adminship candidates. I appreciate there is more of a need now but with activity among semi-active administrators increasing, I do not feel we are in desperate need of new administrators at this point to the stage we need to bring in admins who have found themselves blocked on other projects. --Ferien2 (talk) 12:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could try to step up, but only when I think i'm ready. RiggedMint 12:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, take your time. There is no rush :) BRP ever 13:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your wiki will be in read-only soon

Read this message in another language • Please help translate to your language

The Wikimedia Foundation will switch the traffic between its data centers. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster.

All traffic will switch on 25 September. The switch will start at 15:00 UTC.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop while the switch is made. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

A banner will be displayed on all wikis 30 minutes before this operation happens. This banner will remain visible until the end of the operation.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

  • You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Wednesday 25 September 2024.
  • If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

  • Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
  • We expect the code deployments to happen as any other week. However, some case-by-case code freezes could punctually happen if the operation require them afterwards.
  • GitLab will be unavailable for about 90 minutes.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule.

Please share this information with your community.

Trizek_(WMF), 09:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Iraq

Hello! I've started a Wikiproject for Iraq, i hope to see new members in it! User:Kirkukturk3/WikiProject Iraq Kirkuk 09:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery article demoted.

Hello, I have demoted the article Slavery. It used to be a good article, but with the time, we realized that a lot of work is still needed to make it 'fairly complete'; it focuses on some aspects, and leaves out others. Our article is about 8 times smaller than the one at EnWp. Getting it to GA level again will likely mean re-thinking its structure, and extending it quite a bit. It likely needs a major effort by the community. Eptalon (talk) 09:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bowls is now a Very Good Article...

Hello all, I have promoted bowls to very good article. What we still need to do is to write the VGA-specific blurb, that will appear on the main page. Congrats to all who contributed. Eptalon (talk) 10:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the talk page to VGA and archived the section. here and here Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 11:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And Eptalon for making the article very good, thanks for that! Thetree284 (talk) 00:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on proposed change to a QD option

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy#Proposed change to option T2. Please read and give your views. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion has been open for 9 days or so, with all comments supporting the proposal. I'd feel more comfortable not declaring my own proposal to be accepted, so could another admin do the honors if they see fit? Thanks. --

  Done, the consensus is reflected in WP:TQD. user:Ferien has been contacted to reflect the consensus in the Twinkle interface. MathXplore (talk) 06:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dog is now a good article

I promoted the article Dog to GA, there's ample support for it in the conmmunit. Thank you to all who helped. Eptalon (talk) 15:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Eptalon! Thetree284 (talk) 00:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 10:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the badges on Wikidata for all three articles (Dog to good, Bowls to featured, Slavery demoted). Batrachoseps (talk) 18:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Issue with use of Template:Football squad

This template appears to be used as a base for creating navigational boxes for the current squads of football teams. The header in the resulting templates says "current squad". The issue is that the template was also used to create the following navboxes for teams' squads in individual seasons:

These are not intended to be for the current squads, but for the squads of specific seasons, so they shouldn't say "current squad".

I think we need to do one of the following:

  • Create a new template to handle these so that they don't say "current year". (I don't suggest changing the existing template because we would lose that change if we update the template from enwiki.)
  • Decide that we don't need these and eliminate them. For what it's worth, enwiki doesn't seem to have any "<team> squad <season>" templates. The five listed above are the only "<team> squad <season>" templates I could find here.

Pinging @Werner100359:, the creator of the five templates listed.

Thoughts? -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:22, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bumping. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I'm leaning towards option 2. TBH, I wouldn't be 100% opposed to the idea of something like this if it was just for continental/club-level international trophy (eg. FIFA Club World Cup) winning teams (See Template:Borussia Dortmund Squad 1997 Champions League, which I honestly forgot I made until typing this up), but seeing as these ones are for Red Bull Salzburg (one of the better Austrian teams of recent) and FC Liefering (Salzburg's reserve team), deletion would probably make the most sense. ShadowBallX (talk) 03:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is Simple Wikipedia

I'm a bit confused about what is Simple Wikipedia?? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need a general explanation on what Wikipedia is; I have already made 10k+ edits on English Wikipedia. But, what's the difference between English Wikipedia and Simple Wikipedia? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:About tells you everything you need to know, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 00:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see now, Thanks! Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 00:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vestrian24Bio No worries, In short we use simple words and simple/shorter sentences, If you were to compare say London with en:London they look substantially different, Apologies for not explaining the first time round I just assumed you had read that page first, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 01:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ghettos in Europe during the Holocaust

I think Nazi ghettos is quite short and could be merged with Ghettos in Europe during the Holocaust, which an editor has been working on recently. However, should there be a standalone list or should that be included within the main article for the topic? 2607:F140:6000:806A:C138:1965:393B:D295 (talk) 00:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish ghettos established by Nazi Germany, is English-wiki's article. The name is spot-on.--(En-wiki has one article.)--We have two articles (but they should be one).--It does not matter which name you choose (for now), because i expect to have a surprise (after a merge).--Now, if there were 'non-Nazi ghettos in Europe' during say, 1940-1945, then there is one title that maybe should not be the 'merge title'.--Good luck (and see ya after 'the' merge), cuz i'll be fixing other articles. 2001:2020:359:8A64:9C57:41AB:16B8:A663 (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 19:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we might also have an issue on naming here. Stalin established 'workj camps' (called 'Gulag), the first camp was built and opened 1918/1919. Most of them were established in the 1930s. Stalin died in 1953. They were used for regular and political prisoners (and perhaps targetet less of an 'ethnic group' than those in Germany. At the start of the war, about 1.5 million people were in these camps. S, likely we have a naming issue, do we want all 'labor camps', or only those of Nazi Germany? - I am not a hisotrian, and don't know if similar camps existed in other parts of the world. Eptalon (talk) 05:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gulag was a network of (many) Penal colony, in the Soviet Union. Check if the Vorkuta "camp", was a work camp, or something worse.--Could one say that few people would bother to check if the worst of the Auschwitz camps, were work camps? 2001:2020:323:D3CA:446A:FEEC:D94A:7361 (talk) 03:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The origins of the town [,now city,] of Vorkuta are associated with Vorkutlag, one of the most notorious forced-labour camps of the Gulag", according to En-wiki. 2001:2020:30D:A266:B459:A45E:E830:8A74 (talk) 16:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:359:8A64:9C57:41AB:16B8:A663 /2001:2020:323:D3CA:446A:FEEC:D94A:7361[reply]
I think we should focus this on a single page and it should be about the Nazi use of ghettos. fr33kman 16:24, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, user:fr33kman.--What should the name of that one article be?

Nazi Germany's ghettos, or
Jewish ghettos established by Nazi Germany.
("Nazi ghettos" is not crystal-clear about time or place, one might say.)

Of the three last-mentioned names, i "vote" for any of the two first ones. 2001:2020:4345:BC7E:113B:FC1F:C004:CEDC (talk) 16:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, September?

Lopburi and Lopburi province.--In the future, one might look at "Lopburi" and "Lopburi (city)".--Good luck (while i fix other articles). 2001:2020:4341:A14B:70BA:C2E8:A97C:69C (talk) 17:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, they should be merged. My question is which title is better. I understand that you would prefer just "Lopburi" for the province, but "Lopburi province" might be better, to match the other Category:Provinces of Thailand. Batrachoseps (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lopburi province - province. "Lopburi" - the city, if an article exists. 2001:2020:323:F202:5969:75C1:4FA4:2026 (talk) 21:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They have been merged. Lopburi is redirected for now, but it can be made into an article if someone wants to make a separate article for the city. Batrachoseps (talk) 21:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Batrachoseps: The province article spells the city name "Lop Buri". Do we know which is correct? -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea. It's transliterated from Thai so there may or may not be an "official" spelling. Some sources use "Lop Buri" (Bangkok Post Tourism Authority of Thailand); others use "Lopburi" (The Guardian AP News).
There was a discussion on English Wikipedia that decided to leave the spaces out of many Thai locations: en:Talk:Buriram#Requested moves. Batrachoseps (talk) 22:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When The Guardian and AP News, concur - then that should be an okay choice, in many cases.--There is a saying, that transliterations from Thai to English, will always be wrong.--When it comes to Royal Thai General System of Transcription - 'your mileage might vary', when it comes to how useful it might feel. (Yeah, at least is is helpful, when it comes to how to pronounce the name Shinawatra (pronunciation, close to 'Sheenna-watt' / 'Shinnawatt') which does not follow the most general pronunciation rules. So, i would say that there is no official transcription that is largely followed by native speakers of British and American-English. 2001:2020:341:E598:192F:C475:5EED:160E (talk) 17:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If someone is creating a lot of articles with titles (with transcriptions, such as "Pak Nam" or "Sri Racha") that might be more used by older generations, then consider letting those transcriptions pass for some months or a year or so. 2001:2020:341:E598:192F:C475:5EED:160E (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking about making a new template. Thoughts?

I created User:FusionSub/Seen over a week ago and I am wondering if there would be any opposition to moving it into Template-space.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Support Cactus🌵 spiky ouch 09:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection, but probably not as "Template:Seen". On enwiki, en:Template:Seen exists (as a redirect to en:Template:Read), but it's not quite the same as yours.
Also, please write doc for it if/when it goes to template space. Thanks! -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 Ok, I'll write that up later today (if I remember).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 08:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6   Done.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 15:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FusionSub: Cool. I have the same notes as I did for Cactus's doc page:
  • On the main template, put the first noinclude tag on the first line right after the main text, with no line break in between.
  • In the doc page, you don't need to include the related templates section, or the empty related pages section.
-- Auntof6 (talk) 15:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6
1) On the main template? Is that not what I've already done, or is there something I'm misunderstanding?
2) Removed related pages but am probably going to keep the related templates section as it is generated by Template:Discussion templates and I believe that that should probably stay for convenience sake.
Thanks.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FusionSub:
1) Sorry, I guess what I said was ambiguous. You have the noinclude tag on a separate line. It should go on the same line as the text above it, so that there is no new line generated in the template output.
2) What I meant is that you don't need the "discussion templates" template. This new template is not part of that set, and doesn't need to be added to it.
-- Auntof6 (talk) 16:12, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok, I'll do both of that then.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification on closing of GAs

Hi, there is a discussion going on about who can close GAs at Wikipedia talk:Proposed good articles#Clarification on closing. BRP ever 13:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Short desc

Is there a template for the short description? I tried using Template:Short description, but it didn’t work.

I’m not a new editor, I edit on the English version and unfamiliar with Simple English. Tonkarooson (talk) 08:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tonkarooson: That template has null content because we don't use short descriptions here.
If you'd like to know other things that are different here, have a look at this list I maintain of things that are different here. The list itself is not policy or guideline, but it links to some relevant policies and guidelines. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask. -- Auntof6 (talk) 09:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for cross-posting in English. Please consider translating this message.
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T66315

Hello everyone, a small change will soon be coming to the user-interface of your Wikimedia project. The Wikidata item sitelink currently found under the General section of the Tools sidebar menu will move into the In Other Projects section.

We would like the Wiki communities feedback so please let us know or ask questions on the Discussion page before we enable the change which can take place October 4 2024, circa 15:00 UTC+2. More information can be found on the project page.

We welcome your feedback and questions.
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inactive check user policy proposal

I have begun a policy proposal at Wikipedia:Inactive check users to prompt discussion of a new policy regarding inactive check users. Please use the associated talk page to discuss it. The current page is just a starting point and will change over time. Thank you for participating. fr33kman 16:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fr33kman I know a few wikis where similar policies were proposed including globally if I remember, but there was a heavy opposition considering the nature of this tool. Primarily because marking a number of checks as a requirement to keep these tools will encourage rash and unnecessary checks. And secondarily, since the tools involve a lot more than just doing logged checks. Like, keeping other CUs in check, processing unblock requests, cross-wiki coordination, acting based on information shared among CUs in CUwiki and many more. BRP ever 17:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I acknowledge that there are problems with any policies of this nature but believe there must be a way to dissuade users getting the hat and then never or rarely using it. Just like the project needs active editors so to does the checkuser group need active CUs. If having any of the admin bits truly is "no big deal" then why hang onto a flag you never use. Non-admin editors already have issues regarding the admiration of admins , especially stewards, it is incumbent upon us to dissuade that sort of thinking. Volunteering to give up a hat because you never use it would show that having it in the first place truly was no biggie. However it's done, I see a problem and I seek an answer. fr33kman 18:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the difficulty in convincing 25+ people that you should have the tool already a mechanism to dissuade users from getting the hat and not using it?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1. The hat is so difficult to get in the first place that I'm not worried about hat collectors. Also, all of the problems with this on other wikis apply here. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed! I don't think we have a hat collector problem here. I greatly admire our admin pool and do not think people ask for tools they don't need. But to get the flag, be active for a while and then peter off is a problem. Getting the flag is difficult for a reason, the information we gather can be very dangerous as we all know what misuse can bring about. fr33kman 16:09, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this is really about hat collectors. But if there's a concern about too many checkusers, you'd want to remove less active checkusers so you could replace them with more active ones. 73.170.137.168 (talk) 16:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, five checks in six months seems like a lot for a wiki of this size. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see two basic problems: Cu logs aren't public, so only a checkuser (or steward) can tell if I ran a check. Also, CUs also run other checks, about which they don't necessarily tell at WP:rfcu. Eptalon (talk) 13:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A quick look at the logs show who is active and who isn't. My main concern is the RfCU page and the checks that are done there. Brian and Vermont don't factor in because it's obvious that they are very active with the tools. If the inactive CUs were doing similar work that'd be fine and I wouldn't have an issue other than our mutually agreed statement for the need for help with the "public" side of the work we do. We'll always have more work going on in the background than at RfCU due to the nature of xwiki investigations. If inactive CUs want to use their tools doing background jobs then I'd welcome that. I'm talking about someone who uses it a few times a year. We do have a disproportionate number of CUs to admins and that's not going to change. With the spill over of problems coming at us from enwiki we just need help with the request pool. fr33kman 15:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The number of times a CU uses the tool per set period of time isn't really important. I'm just wondering how we can encourage colleagues to become more active or step down to allow someone else to take up the fight. Although five actions in six months is a trivial task to achieve . There is enough work to keep us all in an active state. fr33kman 16:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FusionSub, yes getting the hat is hard in the first place but with the ratio of actives to inactives I think it it doesn't dissuade inactivity. fr33kman 16:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on how big of a possibility there was for the RfP to fail. An RfP like yours, where it was unanimous? I can see your point. But if you struggle to get it and only get it by 1 or 2 !votes, then I believe my point applies, since they put in a chunk of work to convince the wider community.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 10:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(forgot to ping @Fr33kman).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better idea?

@fenufanga mentioned the idea of a possible reelection of CUs. That would give the community a chance to hold CUs to account for their activity status without using a number of actions per year, which can easily be done in a week by a CU. With a reelection process the question can become one of quality rather than quantity. fr33kman 20:06, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are okay. There is no crisis. Looking at the list of users Vermont and Bsad are pretty active, Eptalon and you are pretty responsive in RfCU, Djsasso and Operator are probably taking a break and will be back once ready since their general activity is low, and Peterdownunder is ready to step down if needed. We don't allow CU without admin bits, so I don't think such a drastic new process is needed. BRP ever 13:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not completely missing, I mostly am just a bit quieter than usual. But if a CU is needed am usually around to check. -Djsasso (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I do believe this could be a good idea, I have doubts that we can actually plan such a thing.
For example: WP:Oversight candidates explicitly mentions the plan to run oversighter elections, presumably similar to EN's election thingy. Such a plan didn't come into action and if we couldn't then with more active editors, then I have no reason to believe we can pull off such a system in our current wiki-landscape.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unimportant wording question

I notice that "attempt" is on WP:BASIC while "try" is not. Both are on WP:VOA. While at https://www.lextutor.ca/cgi-bin/vp/comp/output.pl, "try" is level 1 and "attempt" is level 2. From my personal perspective, "try" seems simpler. Does this mean we should use "attempt" instead because we're trying to use only 850 words whenever possible? I was looking at Ryan Wesley Routh when I saw both words used. Batrachoseps (talk) 14:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A thought of mine: "an attempt" - "two attempts" (and simple in many ways).

"a try" - "two tries" (and maybe not simple).--However, in spoken American-Engish (at least), 'try' arguably feels more simple to write, as a verb. 2001:2020:341:E598:E536:4693:5330:C3A9 (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've always assumed, or tried, to use any word as long as it's on one of the three lists. Does this question mean we should always and try to use most simple word we can? Because I could see problems with that such as with grammar and awkward wordings. fr33kman 04:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Be bold, and continue to write 'try'.--Then, anyone can come and change to,

"try (or attempt)".--Assumption-that-maybe-should-be-moved-toward-consensus: In many cases "try" will work at least as well as "attempt".--Another thing: Am i fine with an article, first using "attempt", and later in such article - using "try", "try" and "try"? Yeah, i probably will not lift a finger.--Yet another thing: One case that stands out, where i feel that "an attempt" is better than "a try"; Charles Lindbergh succeeded on the famous attempt to cross the Atlantic. 2001:2020:323:EFC5:40D3:BC0A:DD2B:F5F9 (talk) 05:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Batrachoseps: It's frustrating not to be able to know why words were or were not included on the list. It might be that "try" wasn't included because it has multiple meanings. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:17, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point. Try could mean to take a sample of something, or to hold a trial. Then there's the rugby meaning but that's probably derived from the normal meaning. I'll use attempt. Batrachoseps (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would a 9-10 year old normally know the word "attempt"? I'm not around young kids much, so I'm not sure. Batrachoseps (talk) 02:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Batrachoseps: I don't know. I didn't mean not to use "try", just to give an idea of why it might not be on the list. Some words can be either simple or complex, depending on how they're used or their specific meaning. In this case, I think the meaning of "attempt" is simple enough. -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks. Batrachoseps (talk) 03:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked with a teacher friend and she says the average 9-10 year old would definitely know the word attempt for sure. fr33kman 05:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New template

I plan to move User:Cactusisme/Replied to templates, any comments? Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 07:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme The png should probably be changed to the svg version as that is generally what is used in these types of templates.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 08:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FusionSub Done Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 08:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I have no objections now.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 08:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is the purpose of this template? -- Auntof6 (talk) 09:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 The purpose of this template is so that when some mentions you in their talk page/admin noticeboard, and the place a thread of your talk page, you can use this so that they know you have replied. Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 11:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cactusisme: Usually we just do that by pinging, like you just pinged me. But I guess it won't hurt anything. Just please write a doc page for it and categorize it appropriately. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 11:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 I have written the docs. Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 12:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
here: User:Cactusisme/Replied/doc Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 12:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cactusisme: Thanks. A couple of notes:
  • In the template, put the noinclude tag right after the text on the first line, with no new line in between.
  • In the doc page, you don't need to include the related pages section, which I assume you copied from another doc page.
-- Auntof6 (talk) 15:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6   Done Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 10:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cactusisme: Not quite. Is it OK if I make a couple of changes? -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 Yes, sure Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 10:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, done. Any questions about what I did? -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cactusisme: Sorry, forgot to ping you. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, thanks for the help!! Cactus🌵 spiky ツ 11:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

non-English alphabets

Could some people please make some comments on Talk:Ɓ? Thx fr33kman 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone like to look at a display error?

In the infobox on Kallithea there are some stray characters right before and right after the images. I did a little investigation, but I couldn't find the problem and I can't keep looking at it right now. Maybe someone else would like to try...? -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 I updated Template:Infobox Greek Dimos from en:Template:Infobox Greek place and it is now working correctly. Previously, our version of the template was not a wrapper of Template:Infobox settlement, but now it is. Batrachoseps (talk) 15:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Batrachoseps: Thanks! -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to Participate in Wiki Loves Ramadan Community Engagement Survey

Dear all,


We are excited to announce the upcoming Wiki Loves Ramadan event, a global initiative aimed at celebrating Ramadan by enriching Wikipedia and its sister projects with content related to this significant time of year. As we plan to organize this event globally, your insights and experiences are crucial in shaping the best possible participation experience for the community.

To ensure that Wiki Loves Ramadan is engaging, inclusive, and impactful, we kindly invite you to participate in our community engagement survey. Your feedback will help us understand the needs of the community, set the event's focus, and guide our strategies for organizing this global event.

Survey link: https://forms.gle/f66MuzjcPpwzVymu5

Please take a few minutes to share your thoughts. Your input will make a difference!

Thank you for being a part of our journey to make Wiki Loves Ramadan a success.


Warm regards,

User:ZI Jony 03:20, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Ramadan Organizing Team

Having come across User:CheerfulJug whilst deleting the BLP page they were editing it occurred to me we may wish to alter Twinkle to have a single purpose notice template to address paid editing on this project. Personally, I find paid editing disturbing but that's just my opinion. Thoughts? fr33kman 21:28, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better controlled, contained paid editing with established norms than sneaky paid editing. If you can't stop it, regulate it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IRC weirdness

Is 873Gear giving anyone else "dangerous website" and other error messages? I haven't been able to get in for weeks. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Country-musicians *raised* in 'a state of the United States'

There were some
"List of country musicians from 'state in the United States']],
that were deleted some years ago.--Those, and List of country musicians from California, have little interest, to me.
("Never-ending" discussions about the meaning of 'from', is not my cup of tea.) However,
List of country musicians raised in Texas,
is a list that i might start.--If a person was raised in two or more states, then I am fine with just having that person in "Related pages", or (much less likely) section "Raised in different states".

List of country musicians from California, has some names that 'could end up on two lists'.--However, I am not planning on starting,
"List of country musicians raised in California".--Is there anything more to say then, except: if there are too many protests about "my" list, then it will get taken to AfD?--Remember also to give thanks to those who do a lot of work with categories. 2001:2020:341:DA4B:F071:D4FE:8575:D928 (talk) 23:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kris Kristofferson (d. 2024), has 'always' been on the 'California list' (because he was raised there).--When any 'Texas list' gets created - then how does one avoid him being 'Listed on two similar lists'?

The following could be mentioned on 'the (upcoming) Texas list',

"* Kris Kristoffersen [not blue-linked]" ,see List of country musicians raised in California"

In that way, Kristoffersen 'is only on one list (California)' (and the few people that know that Kristoffersen was born in Texas, will find his name, and see which 'one list that Kristoffersen really belongs to'. Note: there is no list here called, "List of ... born in California").

"Raised in California", is part of topic "From Californa". (Would anyone argue "No", to that point?) 2001:2020:355:C958:1431:DC72:A783:3460 (talk) 02:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC) / 02:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:DA4B:F071:D4FE:8575:D928[reply]

List of country musicians from Texas.

Please move this discussion to the talk pages about those article. (As long as the above link, remains a blue-link.) 2001:2020:355:C958:844A:668F:EAB3:62AA (talk) 03:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lists like this should list where they were born. fr33kman 05:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,
we already have enough problems with '... from ...', what does it mean that someone is 'from California', 'From Mexico', etc? - Were peopel born there, were these places impoerant for their carrers, did they spend a lot of time there? - Also, at what age does 'raised stop'? . 12, 14, 18, 21, 25? No need for an extra classification. Eptalon (talk) 21:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
List of country musicians from Texas, seems to not have "your" concerns/problems.--If you think that the article should be deleted, then you might want to nominate it for Delete.--If you have an example of anyone who is on the wrong list, then i suggest that you take up the matter on the talk page of 'musicians from that state'.--One person should only be linked from one list (and I can not see any problem yet, now that Kristoffersen seems to 'be on only one page'). 2001:2020:341:B0D8:49A7:52CE:A985:441A (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any benefits to change things to other than there are now. fr33kman 06:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be a benifit that we get things right, in regard to cases such as

this composer of Take It Easy, so that they do not get passed off as a European country-musician (or German, since he was born there, but raised in California).--En-wiki has gotten the category right, i feel.--The way that (relevant) articles, are today - seems largely okay.--Time to let this thread, Just Fade Away. 2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408 (talk) 19:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:B0D8:49A7:52CE:A985:441A[reply]
I think the question should also be, if it is practical: Yes, most people were born elsewhee, and raisen somewhere. The big question thouigh, is: What do we lose, if we classify thse people as "People from ..."? Eptalon (talk) 10:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Can I talk to somebody on here privately? It's about a falling out I had with several admins and editors on enwiki that got me blocked indefinitely and I'm  not discussing this on there for reasons I'm not gonna go into. 121.136.126.163 (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to write me a mail, I am open to discussion. Eptalon (talk) 23:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's about a group of users and admins attacking/insulting me and blocking me on enwiki 210.217.117.24 (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are not here to comment of enwiki's problems with thier users. They don't comment on our issues, we don't generally comment of their issues. Please email their admins mailing list instead of trying to get us to help you fight your case. fr33kman 21:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The admins are not going to respond on any of the mailing lists
I wouldn't be coming to this page for help if they were responding to me 2601:C8:280:8000:747A:CFD:7DF7:7978 (talk) 21:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Administrator note: /64 is globally blocked as LTA. MathXplore (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Talk about a proxy chain.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 06:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fr33kman:? 178.234.79.192 (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are not interested in helping you fight your case on enwiki. You are disruptong this project and are now under the WP: ONESTRIKE rule. fr33kman 23:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Administrator note: This IP is also a blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can called them indefinitely blocked here also. fr33kman 06:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Administrator note: Special:Contributions/210.217.117.24 is another blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 23:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Administrator note: The IP editor is a blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 00:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, at last someone who notices. XXBlackburnXx (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
\: .- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Langx

I was expanding features on {{Langx}}. To import data from en:Module:Lang, in order to work properly for Module:Lang/langx.

Also:

49.150.3.189 (talk) 14:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are making a request here, please be specific about what you want done. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone have admin requests for expanding Module:Lang for {{Langx}}? 49.150.11.37 (talk) 00:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but you were told to be specific with what you want doing. We not mind readers. fr33kman 01:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comprehensively, from lines 1,400 to 1,424 on English Wikipedia, by using local function _langx (args_t), an entry point from another module.
Following this, the exact source code from en:Module:Lang on English Wikipedia for {{Langx}} to be added to Module:Lang on Simple English Wikipedia:
local function _langx (args_t)
local langx_data = mw.loadData ('Module:Lang/langx'); -- get necessary data
local inherit_t = langx_data.inherit_t; -- get list of language tags extracted from Template:Lang-?? template names for languages that are rendered in upright font
local rtl_t = langx_data.rtl_t; -- get list of language tags for languages that are rendered right-to-left
local script_t = langx_data.script_t; -- get list of language tags for Template:Lang-?? templates that set |script=<something>
local link_t = langx_data.link_t; -- get list of language tags for Template:Lang-?? templates that set |link=<something>
local size_t = langx_data.size_t; -- get list of language tags for Template:Lang-?? templates that set |size=<something>
args_t.code = args_t[1] or args_t.code; -- get the language tag; must be {{{1}}} or |code=
if not args_t.code then
return make_error_msg ('missing language tag', args_t, 'Langx');
end
args_t.rtl = args_t.rtl or (rtl_t[args_t.code] and 'yes'); -- prefer |rtl= in template call, use rtl_t else
args_t.script = args_t.script or script_t[args_t.code]; -- prefer |script= in template call, use script_t else
args_t.link = args_t.link or link_t[args_t.code]; -- prefer |link= in template call, use link_t felse
args_t.size = args_t.size or size_t[args_t.code]; -- prefer |size= in template call, use size_t else
args_t[1] = nil; -- unset to mimic Template:Lang-?? templates which set |code=xx
local lang_subtag = args_t.code; -- use only the base language subtag for unsupported tag test; some args_t.code are modified by |script= etc
initial_style_state = inherit_t[args_t.code:lower()] and 'inherit' or 'italic'; -- if listed in inherit_t, set as 'inherit'; 'italic' else
return _lang_xx (args_t, 'Langx') .. ((langx_data.unsupported_t[lang_subtag:lower()] and ''.. lang_subtag .. '') or ); -- temporary category for unsupported language tags
-- return _lang_xx (args_t, 'Langx');
end 49.150.11.37 (talk) 22:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As an error, it displays Script error: The function "langx" does not exist. 49.150.11.37 (talk) 22:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical cyclone

Is it better to just have one article for tropical cyclone, or should there be separate articles depending on where they happen, such as typhoon (in the northwestern Pacific) and hurricane (in the eastern Pacific and Atlantic)? Batrachoseps (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should match en and have it so tropical cyclone contains the main details, but they are also branched off into Atlantic hurricane and typhoon. Hurricane in its current state should be redirected to the tropical cyclone article, imo. --Ferien (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates for discussion

I came across the following navbox templates that I would like a discussion on.

These templates:

  • Have a large number of links, mostly red but some with a fair number of blue
  • Are all clothing-related
  • Are transcluded on one page (the historical clothing one) or no pages
  • Except for the historical clothing one, were created by a user who appeared to be creating templates because they appeared in wanted templates. However, the only places that used them were lists of related templates on template doc pages.

I was about to start adding these to the blue-linked pages, but I thought it was worth discussing first. The reason I am putting these up for discussion is that they would take up more space in an article than the article text on most of the articles that are blue-linked. Are we okay with having navboxes that overwhelm the body of an article?

There are probably more templates with the same issue, but this is a small group of related ones that I happened to see around the same time.

Please do not add these to articles until we have a chance to have this discussion, so that that we won't have to remove them again later. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Templates that have been imported from English-wiki - i have always found them helpful (even if there are only two blue-links and say 98 red-links.)--I am not trying to be rude when i am saying this.--Do i think that it would be helpful to have a three blue-link limit (for templates)? No, i would be against that.--Remotely related: Would it be against wiki-regulations if I go to, say user talk:Aunty of 5,6,7 or to user talk:Epptalonn, and ask: Do you think this is an acceptable sub-stub about Golden hat (headwear) "blah-blah-blah".--Anyway, I would like to ask original poster which of the templates is the first one that she would 'recommend et cetera', that should be nominated for Delete. (Please notify me if i have misunderstood the meaning of "Please do not add these to articles until we have a chance to have this discussion, so that that we won't have to remove them again later".)--I am not asking because i have plans for 'saving templates', by writing articles.--If this post is not perceived as rude, then Good. 46.15.37.42 (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i just wrote "Gold hat", without having checked if it is part of any of the templates.--If the 'article' is a keeper, then fine.--Unlikely that i will touch the 'article' again, this year. 2001:2020:315:A48B:2DA2:636E:FDEF:A75D (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question

In many articles, some words are linked with English Wikipedia like this: [[:en:Article name|Article]]. Should the English Wikipedia link be used, or should it only be linked to this Wikipedia article, even if the article is missing here? CosmLearner (talk) contribs 21:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There should not be that kind of link to any other Wikipedia. In fact, there shouldn't be links in an article's text to any other website. The link should be left red if there's nothing to link to here. See WP:ELPOINTS for the guideline. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But you can use {{ill}} to make a red link to simplewiki and a link to another wiki at the same time. Batrachoseps (talk) 23:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Batrachoseps: You can, but that's kind of messy. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Aviation biofuel" (and little else in the first sentence of the lede)

"An aviation biofuel (also known as bio-jet fuel or bio-aviation fuel (BAF)) is a biofuel used to power aircraft and is a sustainable aviation fuel (SAF)", according to

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_biofuel

.That is the lede of an article at En-wiki.--"My" (upcoming) article will aim to not have sustainable aviation fuel in the first sentence (or first period) of the lede. Does "maintaining simplicity" seem like an okay reason to move sustainable aviation fuel, out of the first sentence, in our (upcoming) article? 2001:2020:323:DB8F:59DB:9960:C6EE:17E1 (talk) 16:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aviation biofuel, now has a Talk page.--Discussion moved to that (relevant) Talk page. 2001:2020:323:DB8F:59DB:9960:C6EE:17E1 (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary results of the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections

Hello all,

Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election. Close to 6000 community members from more than 180 wiki projects have voted.

The following four candidates were the most voted:

  1. Christel Steigenberger
  2. Maciej Artur Nadzikiewicz
  3. Victoria Doronina
  4. Lorenzo Losa

While these candidates have been ranked through the vote, they still need to be appointed to the Board of Trustees. They need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. New trustees will be appointed at the next Board meeting in December 2024.

Learn more about the results on Meta-Wiki.

Best regards,

The Elections Committee and Board Selection Working Group


MPossoupe_(WMF) 08:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mod vandalising my articles again

He's previously mass-deleted my content before, and whenever things don't go his way he just changes the narrative. He's simply just abusing his power and removing all of my content specifically, and deleting massive amounts of information from the website. That's why I think he is wrong - Wikipedia is a place for information, and that means all of it. I will do my best to link the parts of my talk page where he has commented, both today and in the past (wherein he deleted massive amounts of content from the website).

Any undo to his edits and he instantly reverts it, removing this content and giving the reason that it is 'nonsense' in his opinion.

Here are the links I will try to paste where hopefully you can see that it is repetitive and targeted deletions: https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:W;ChangingUsername&action=edit&section=11 https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:W;ChangingUsername&action=edit&section=9

He doesn't or can't warn me 'as per' en:WP:DTTR in either because there's no grounds for it. He is only allowed because of his position, over me, which shouldn't matter in the context of putting information on this site. In another simple_talk entry, he deletes a ton of other content en-mass and throughout nearly all of the articles I have pasted from the NHS website to here.

If this goes through then I will work on putting the pages back as I come across them (and I will hopefully be able to create more, so that simple_wikipedia is more full (which is what it should be about!) but (again) if this goes through then it would be probably best for someone with the ability to scan through mass content and correcting his actions to do it, because it is on a lot of the site throughout the content, and I believe it is vandalism.


Tagging the user other so that he may be present: @Davey2010 W;ChangingUsername (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eptalon was my helper, I think. And I would like to point out that a majority of the pages I've created thus far have been categorized on the external wikilinks page, for simple_wikipedia, and that the information in the pages have been deleted, but previously would of been a link to this website with a more full page. And that way might be the only way for the person there to get it - but now, it is gone
His contributions are Thomas the Tank Engine and Paw Patrol, and some really bad / low quality page on lymes disease and/or I think strokes, which didn't, and still don't (because he reverts all edits done to the page) in my opinion meet Wikipedias standards in a few ways. That and of course removing tons of content from the site.
There is nothing wrong with the content on those pages, and here I am contesting - specifically or as an example - and would like to contest this decision of this 'insane' edit the page of course being Cinnarizine.
There is NO content on this page anymore, after his edits - look at how many he cut out, and look at how much there is now. Does THIS still meet the standards, and is it a better page now than it was before? His edits are simply not good. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 15:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1). I'm not a mod or an admin and I've never said otherwise.
2). "I have pasted from the NHS website to here." ... which is a Copyright violation and isn't allowed,
3). There was consensus here to delete the GUIDE stuff you spammed everywhere.
4). I stated here "No consensus for these edits, Why would you reinstate content that had consensus to be deleted (at the prev editsum)?" so why would you ignore that and post the same content back 3 months later?,
5). The DTTR was me treating you with respect and not templating you to death - I hate when people do this to me so I was trying to be more polite and approachable to you so your "because there's no grounds for it" is ludicrous and silly.
6). Have you actually looked at the issues at Thomas the Tank Engine and Paw Patrol ? ... If you had you would've known those articles have been magnets for either deliberately fake information or unsourced edits, I don't revert people for the sake of it believe you me.
7). You can contest my blanking as much as you like but my edits/blanking was following our core policy; WP:COPYVIO as well as following the consensus for removing this content here. –Davey2010Talk 15:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, W;ChangingUsername. I highly doubt Davey2010 was vandalising. First, there needs to be consensus about the part that you're trying to put in. Also, simply removing some parts of an article isn't vandalism unless it's removing helpful edits to Wikipedia. In this case, it's not vandalism. Also, this article still does meet the standards; it's just a stub and can be gradually worked on. Thanks, Aster🪻 talk edits 15:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you really feel this way then I would like to resolve the issues you have with me or my content before I proceed to edit in more pages to the website, so that this doesn't keep happening (because right now I feel like it will)

I think the page follows rules, and if the rules disagree with that then maybe they are wrong, and should be challenged, to allow that content. That is for something to be there until people can work on it, so they can work off that instead of working off it being a stub.


And there was consensus. There was a discussion about that and a lot of people agreed, but I didn't see (outside of the original responder) the outcome of the discussion, but people supported it. I would like to know. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 15:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@W;ChangingUsername, It doesn't follow any rules because you've taken the content from https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/cinnarizine/side-effects-of-cinnarizine/ which is obviously a copyright violation and isn't allowed.
Auntof6 is an admin and is extremely knowledgeable with policies here and they supported the removal of the content, Yes another editor supported leaving it but that's all moot now because you've admitted it was a copyright violation,
That all being said en:Cinnarizine has Side Effects in sentence form so I'd be happy for side effects to be included back HOWEVER don't just undo and readd that content back as you've taken it from the NHS - You need to reword it and jumble these up if that makes sense. –Davey2010Talk 16:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So I can add a section for 'side effects?'
And the content on that website is free to use and share. There's no copyright on the website other than what should be 'free use' and could be added to Wikipedia alongside the other content which is taken from the same website? @Auntof6
And at the same time, I can go ahead and add more to Wikipedia, but not copyright content. Or rewriting the content as I do (which I wanted to avoid, to not un-simplify it) W;ChangingUsername (talk) 16:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep you could add a list of side effects providing it's reliably sourced, You cannot use any of the text/sentences off of the NHS website, it's best to write yhis yourself. Thanks (submitted using mobile so apologies ive done anything incorrect, Thanks) –Davey2010Talk 17:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for resolving this issue with me. I'll get on doing that later, after trying some rewording out and getting the go-ahead so that I don't make it wrong. And thanks for helping me take steps in resolving my problems that I had with you W;ChangingUsername (talk) 11:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I would guess that the NHS website is not copyright and I believe the content is free to use - if it were, the edits would be fine to be on this website then? W;ChangingUsername


W;ChangingUsername Firstly, Davey2010 is not an admin. You are adding medical instructions to the page, you are editwarring, you are breaking copyright by copying NHS information and breaking other rules. Right now you are in the wrong and close to a block. Work with other people not against them. fr33kman 16:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the content was not copyrighted (like before)
Or, if I got permission from the website (NHS) owners and UK government to use the content, then would the information remain on simple_wikipedia ? I mean if permission was gained, the edits would go back. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 16:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With your second case here, due to how the licence that Wikipedia uses works (CC-BY-SA), that would still be considered copyright infringement in the eyes of our policies (and possibly the law).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, understood. I will keep that in mind for future edits to make sure they can stay up. But I will keep my ears open for more from the other person, to make sure that can happen. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 16:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair Use

Is fair use allowed here, like it is on the English Wikipedia? // Kakan spelar (talk) 15:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a small wiki, and we don't have the resources needed to maintain our own images. Use what you find on Commons ... Eptalon (talk) 16:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, small amounts of text quotes are allowed as long as they are cited. Images are not. fr33kman 16:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking volunteers to join several of the movement’s committees

Each year, typically from October through December, several of the movement’s committees seek new volunteers.

Read more about the committees on their Meta-wiki pages:

Applications for the committees open on 16 October 2024. Applications for the Affiliations Committee close on 18 November 2024, and applications for the Ombuds commission and the Case Review Committee close on 2 December 2024. Learn how to apply by visiting the appointment page on Meta-wiki. Post to the talk page or email cst@wikimedia.org with any questions you may have.

For the Committee Support team,


-- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 23:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question

How can I use RedWarn here? CosmLearner (talk) contribs 11:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technical issue

An error is in effect at COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia. When one clicks the "Languages" button, it says, "This page is not available in other languages"; however, the page is actually available in standard English: En:COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia. 162.156.70.174 (talk) 22:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Done. The page wasn't connected to wikidata before, but now that I have the other language links will appear.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 10:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to WikiProject Tropical cyclones!

 

Hello, Simple talk, and Welcome to the WikiProject Tropical cyclones! You may want to begin by reading these pages:

You can add {{User:TyphoonAmpil/User WPTC}} your User page

Thanks to become Member!

TyphoonAmpil (talk) 03:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My eyes widen in surprise. "Tropical cyclones, you say?" I muse. "Now, that's a topic that could blow even the most stoic of individuals away!" I laughs lightly, my cheeks flushing a soft pink. "But in all seriousness, it's important to stay informed and connected, even about the storms of knowledge. It's like having an umbrella of understanding in the rain of information." 162.156.70.174 (talk) 04:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Simple_talk/Archive_162&oldid=9891113"