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Of the 23 active requests, 7 have people other than me submitting opinions. Are people just ignoring the requests? Should we even bother with requests when everything is a soft delete? Pure Evil (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

An RfD will usually stay up for a week; some are closed 1-2 days early, when the result is clear. And no, quick-deletion cannot replace an RfD. If people are asked to discuss, and they don't write anything, its difficult for them to later to complain. So, no, we can't force people to participate in RfDs, but if they don't they'll havew a hard time discussing whatever the result was (whith which they don't agree). Btw: I just closed four RfDs... Eptalon (talk) 18:23, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Speaking for myself, as an admin I sometimes don't comment on RFDs just so that I can be an uninvolved admin when it comes time to close them. I do comment if I have a viewpoint that isn't already represented in other comments, or if I disagree with the way the discussion seems to be headed. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Even if you comment on an RfD you can still be the admin to close it. The key is to be unbiased when you do so. fr33kman 00:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Yes, it depends on the comment. I obviously meant comments that were opinions about the page in question. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Agree entirely with Auntof6's viewpoint. If something is generating a lot of discussion I will usually choose to leave open for longer so that the arguments can be presented and responded to. On the other hand, if the article is clearly inside or outside the guidelines I will close it early so we can focus on what needs to be discussed, Peterdownunder (talk) 04:44, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Technical input needed on "Expand <language>" templatesEdit

A lot of the templates in Category:Expand by language Wikipedia templates have stray }} characters at the bottom of the page. I compared some to the English Wikipedia versions, and this seems to be because the templates here were created without the following line at the beginning:

{{ {{{|safesubst:}}}#invoke:Unsubst||date=__DATE__ |$B=

I don't know that all of our templates have this difference, but one that does is Template:Expand Basque.

So my question is, do we need to add that line to our templates here, or can we remove the extra brackets? I know this has something to do with substitution, but I don't understand what the extra line at enwiki is doing.

Thanks in advance. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

The missing line deals with how the template gets subst: Actually, how it doesn't get subst'd. That line prevents subst: from working and adds the "date= <month>, <year>" parameter to the template when someone tries to substitute it. They could go either way (add the line or remove the extra set of brackets) but it is probably better to readd the safestub line just to be safe. Pure Evil (talk) 07:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I also saw this }} on which template page.. I guess German or something.. I nearly forgotten. I couldn't fix it in general and later I ignored it. Dibyojyotilet's chat 12:22, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

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How can we keep up with templates that need regular updating?Edit

I've been doing a lot of work with templates, and I keep finding ones that need updating. I've been thinking it might be helpful to have a way to call attention to templates that need to be updated periodically. This could help us find those templates and check them systematically if we want to. This would include, but not be limited to, the following:

  • Templates for sports teams that don't specify a year. An example is Template:1. FFC Frankfurt squad, which looks like it's meant to have information on the current squad at any given time.
  • Templates for people in political positions that change hands, especially those that are regularly up for (re-)election. These would probably be mostly navigational boxes. A lot of the high-profile ones get updated when they need it, but I think we have some that not as many of us pay attention to.
  • Many templates with names that start with "Latest". Many of these templates are under the categories Category:Latest stable software release templates and Category:Latest preview software release templates.
  • Many templates with names that start with "Current".
  • Others?

I'd also recommend adding {{Check completeness of transclusions}} to these templates.

How could we do this?

  • We could create a category, possibly named "Templates that need periodic updating", to hold the templates.
  • We could put something in individual templates that would flag them as needing update after a certain date passes. This would be similar to the way the template {{update after}} works with articles. With sports templates, we could make the date be the beginning of the sport's season. With political templates, the date could be the time when elections happen.

I realize that anything we do might be wiped out when templates are imported from enwiki, but maybe there's a way around that.

These are my preliminary thoughts. Does anyone else think this would be helpful? Are there other options? -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

@Auntof6: I think a tracking category would be useful for this. I personally keep track of the German population metadata templates, COVID-19 data templates and other miscellaneous data templates, which i look for in categories such as Category:Data templates. --Fehufanga (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
@Fehufanga: Thanks -- yes, I didn't think of data templates, although I guess the software release ones are also data templates. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

This template's figures are apparently over 10 years out of date. Would anyone like to update it? Or nominate it for deletion? English Wikipedia doesn't have an equivalent that I could find. -- Auntof6 (talk) 05:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion: Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2023/Template:OS Market Share Lights and freedom (talk) 02:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Bot to update TOTW...Edit

Hello all, I have written a bot to update the TOTW on Simple. It uses Jwiki (and Java), and it updated the ToTW yesterday. Just wanted to post this here, to see if there's an interest in such a bot. We are looking at roughly 100 lines of code, so nothing big. Eptalon (talk) 09:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

@Eptalon: Would you remind us what TOTW stands for? -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Translation of the week. It is updated weekly in Wikipedia:RecentChanges. BRP ever 10:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
@Eptalon Not really a big deal, but the bot seems to add a newline before the template. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 10:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Thats easily fixed, thanks... Eptalon (talk) 10:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Greatest GenerationEdit

I have attempted to translate Greatest Generation into Simple English. Born from 1901 to 1927, these people grew up during hard times of the Great Depression and World War II, yet became very successful later in life, and had a huge influence on world culture and politics. Most of them have died already, but some still survive. Unfortunately, despite my efforts, I didn't do the best job simplifying the article, so it would be great if others are interested in helping! Thanks! Lights and freedom (talk) 06:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

It is probably too complex and could use work there. Besides this issue, it may be too focused on the US, but that is a consequence of the enwiki article. Lights and freedom (talk) 06:27, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Despite the claim, the phrase seems to be entirely North American or even U.S. in usage. I have never heard it before. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Ok, perhaps it's just a US thing. Lights and freedom (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

PGA queueEdit

Proposals for GA and VGA can linger for a very long time. This may contribute to the lack of input or any urgency to complete the process of making an article Good or Very Good. Interlingue, Sugar, and Yellowstone all appear ready for decisions if an admin could take a look at them. Other old ones may be ready as well. (And, my own nomination for Emu War has received some help from DovahFRD, Lights and freedom, and Macdonald-ross. If anyone else has any comments on it, they would be much appreciated before the target three week evaluation period closes. Thanks, --Gotanda (talk) 01:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Bias and not simpleEdit

I draw your attention to the pages Tunceli Province and Dersim. They are not simplified and biased IMO. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:26, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Voting on the revised Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct is closedEdit

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Desktop improvements. A new change is coming!Edit

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Next week (the week of February 6), the Wikimedia Foundation Web team will move some links from the side menu ("sidebar") to a new menu on other side of the screen.

This will make it easier to intuitively use all the links and tools within our interface. The table of contents will also appear a bit higher up the screen because the sidebar will be shorter. The latter change would mostly be interesting for editors. This is because readers use the sidebar much more rarely.

Why we are changing this

The interface does not distinguish between the links and tools that are relevant to the website and the links and tools that are relevant to a single page. Main page, random page, recent changes, are in the first group. What links here, related changes, cite this page, belong to the second one. This mix is confusing to new readers. Also new editors are not familiar with what each link does. Mixing these groups makes it less likely for people to explore these tools naturally.

This change also addresses the concern for the location of the table of contents. Previously, some editors using an earlier version of Vector 2022 told us that because the table of contents appeared below the sidebar, it was placed too much down below the page. After this change, the sidebar will be shorter and thus will shift the table of contents further up in the page. Also, this change will reduce the white space on the page by using more of the space for the display of tools.

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Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 20:55, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Feminism and Folklore 2023 has begun!Edit

The Simple English Wikipedia is once again joining other Wikis around the world in the Feminism and Folklore write-a-thon! Come write about feminism, folklore, or both. I'm told there is a modest prize. Wikipedia:Feminism_and_Folklore/2023 Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:39, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Keeping our templates up to date, or notEdit

I'm doing a lot of work on our templates that aren't linked in Wikidata -- establishing links where possible. I've found subtemplates here that English Wikipedia doesn't have because their main template was converted to Lua and the Lua version doesn't use the subtemplate(s).

As far as I know, our non-Lua versions still work, but do we want to change ours to follow enwiki? Maybe fewer people here know how to work with Lua (I don't -- yet!), but what problems could be caused by not converting ours? -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I'm learning Lua to use it on another Wiki, so I might try maintaining them once I get a better hold of it. I have no objections on converting existing templates to use Lua modules. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 02:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
@Fehufanga: How are you learning it? Do you know of any good self-study materials? -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
@Auntof6 I got started with Lua's official book, which is available for free online. For the MediaWiki-specific functions, there's the official documentation for that. I work my way from the hello world example in that documentation. I don't install Lua, I instead make test modules on testwiki. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 05:32, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Global ban for PlanespotterA320/RespectCEEdit

Per the Global bans policy, I'm informing the project of this request for comment: m:Requests for comment/Global ban for PlanespotterA320 (2) about banning a member from your community. Thank you.--Lemonaka (talk) 21:40, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

As the user has only made 8 edits outside of their user space in five years, I do not really think they qualify as a member of the community here. Pure Evil (talk) 05:07, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Seems to be a mistake when the global ban notice was being sent: meta:Special:Permalink/24503224#Please massmessage this concerning recent RFC for global ban*Fehufangą✉ Talk page 05:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


There are a number of articles on individual initiatives or ballot propositions (such as 1994 Oregon Ballot Measure 16 and 2016 California Proposition 64), but there is no article on the concept of Initiative as a whole. Does anyone want to create it? Lights and freedom (talk) 19:06, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Childhood categoryEdit

I think it makes more sense to use Category:Childhood for things related to children in general, and Category:Children only for articles about individual children. This is what English Wikipedia does. Can we agree on this? Lights and freedom (talk) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

And if we don't do that, the categories should be merged. Otherwise it's confusing what goes in which category. Lights and freedom (talk) 21:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)