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So close to 250k Articles change

Lets reach this goal of 250,000 articles!!! We are so close! 84Swagahh (talk) 05:20, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

how many remaining?
-- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 07:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know, 250k is likely a symbolic figure, but should we not also look at the quality of articles? - Perhaps think differently? When was the last time you made a major change to an article, improving its quality, rewriting for simplicity, extending the concepts it covers? - Remember, 250k is just a number. If you show a Simple English Wikipedia article to your peers, your friends, or your children, what do you want them to see? -Try it yourself: Hit 'show any page' 10 times. A possible idea of quality would be: Of those 10 articles, at least 5 are in a state that you could show them, and say: 'Look, that's what Simple English Wikipedia is about'.... In other words: they are not full of red links, and don't have any templates that they need to be improved, or that you have the feeling such templates are needed. Numbers come on their own, quality doesn't. Eptalon (talk) 08:08, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
True 💯👏🏻
-- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree, newly created pages should be complete or at least contain some content. It's puzzling why we have one or two-line stubs here. This issue should be addressed similarly to how it's maybe handled on English Wikipedia; articles that are too short should be deleted upon creation. We often retain articles from that are present on English Wikipedia here, even if they lack substantial content (not even a paragraph). – Cyber.Eyes2005Talk 09:04, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree. When we were approaching 100,000 articles, people rushed to create more and many of them got deleted for various reasons. I would have preferred not to have this brought to people's attention so that we get to the number in the normal course of events.
Besides that, reaching a certain number of articles is not actually a goal. It's not like views or subscribers on YouTube. Quality over quantity. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:28, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thing is, we should look at the quality of articles here for good metrics, rather than article count. Yes, having a lot of articles is good, but it wont matter when a majority are extremely short.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 21:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Quite a lot are pretty poor. Time would be better spent on improving what we have than making more. Rathfelder (talk) 12:55, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is a metric worth aiming for. We have 27 Very Good Articles and 85 Good Articles. How about 30 VGA and 100 GA by the end of 2024? Reasonable? --Gotanda (talk) 23:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The work on these has almost stopped. It would certainly be good to get more of them. However, the last promotion tzo GA was at the beginning of December, the last promotion to VGA was in September last year. Even if I take GA as the "easier to reach", I'd expect 1-2 of them get promoted per month. But as of now, they get nominated, some work is done, and then people seem to lose interest.... Eptalon (talk) 08:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, ideally, the process should be run by a group of editors... Eptalon (talk) 10:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are absolutely right. A group of editors is needed, which is I guess what I was asking about interest in. 1-2 GA per month could get us to 100 GA by the end of the year. VGA is a heavier lift, but I will continue to contribute to that effort. As have you. I think it is entirely possible. And, a worthy target. A couple of the formerly good articles look close enough to bring back, like Coffee and maybe Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al. --Gotanda (talk) 09:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
what is also needed are stricter deadlines so that we can say that between nomination & promotion/vote there are no more than 3 or 4 months? Eptalon (talk) 06:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Definitely. As of now discussions never get closed. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm happy to do a bit of work with GA items - I think the biggest issue is that there isn't much input. Presumably anyone can close them after they reach 3 weeks? Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 12:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it is possible. I'm hoping to have at least one finished this year. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Currently, in Feb. 27, 2024, there are exactly 1715 articles left to reach the goal of 250,000 articles. Let's keep going! Colonelsnow (talk) 11:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are 1711 articles left. Simple Wikipedians are so fast they have already created 4 articles in about an hour! Colonelsnow (talk) 12:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Colonelsnow: Reaching a certain number of articles is not a goal! We will get to that number when we get there. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very nice Wikipedian phrase! Colonelsnow (talk) 05:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community Opinion Needed change

Hello all,

Since we do not use the templates for expand pretty much of anything, I do not think we need them here. We have stubs for that which puts them in categories and says to help improve it, so it is redundant. What are the thoughts on deleting them? The following list are the ones I am thinking we do not need. Some do not have a lot of link backs to them, list does though. I am not talking about deleting any of the other ones, as they are needed (languages, etc.), just the ones listed below.

Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 14:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rename Discussion change

Hello community. I have started a rename discussion on the article 16 January 2024 missile strikes against Houthi and as I linked this it shows that a new article has been created for everyday. The discussion is taking place at Talk:16 January 2024 missile strikes against Houthi. Please do not place discussions here for the sake of keeping discussions in one place. I’ll see you there! Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 16:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello again community - The voting has now been opened. There are two different votes on the talk page under the topic Votes. The two votes are as follows:
  1. Renaming the article
  2. Renaming 10 other articles that have a template only on them and it was suggested they should be merged.
Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 08:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this simple? change

From [[April 15]]:<blockquote>The Armenian Genocide began when the Ottoman Empire undertook the systematic destruction of Armenian intellectuals and entrepreneurs within the city of Constantinople and later the entire Armenian population of the Empire.</blockquote>Is this really suitable for the Simple English Wikipedia? I wonder if someone meant to write this on the normal English Wikipedia. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 23:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

upgoer does not like this sentence, i agree. i would switch out the nouns in the darker colours (such as destruction, intellectuals, and entrepreneurs) and continue on with the segment from there -Astral~(he/him/his) 01:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
English has about half it's vocabulary from Germanic languages, the other half from Romance ones. The only thing I see there is 'undertook the systematic destruction of...' Can be replaced with 'systematically destroyed'. But as with most articles, anyone I'd free to change to them.... Eptalon (talk) 12:35, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

subarticle questions change

i am starting to edit here based on the things linked on my userboxes on en (i first land on hacker which has a major wp:npov issue holy)) and i was wondering how would the subpages for that work (theres like 5 main subpages for hacker on en and i am not sure if we have any of them (i haven't checked yet.) ) anyway, how exactly would i go about in determining if they're needed on simple. -Astral~(he/him/his) 01:21, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@AstralAlley Welcome to Simple Wikipedia. I wanted to note that I looked at the article Hacker and I do not see any WP:NPOV issues with it. I would recommend you go into more detail on the talk page of Hacker of what you are determining is a non-neutral point of view. I noticed you said on your user page that you “hate how it's worded.” The article is very neutral and lays out who a hacker is as well as how they hack into various systems and what tools they use. Once you post more details on the talk page of the article, I’ll be happy to assist you in pointing you in the right direction and giving you some pointers and point you to our various guidelines. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 14:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
gotcha, ill post some more details in the talk page as of rn :3 -Astral~(he/him/his) 15:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge proposal - Attack on the Genco Picardy into Red Sea crisis change

There is an ongoing proposal to merge Attack on the Genco Picardy into Red Sea crisis. The discussion is taking place here. Please comment in the merge discussion and not here, to keep a complete and easy place to locate the discussion conversation. Thank you! WeatherWriter (talk) 04:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this page good? change

Student loan - 66.205.169.144 (talk) 23:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi ip user. I have made some edits to it. We don’t link back to the article within the article. I also removed the bolding and simplified it a little more as well as rephrasing a sentence. Otherwise great job! Thanks for editing. If you wish, you can always create an account which has many benefits. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 23:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

English Grammar Expert ? change

Hopefully, I can have an expert of English Grammar here in free.

Jagsirbhinder (talk) 02:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The idea is to create articles in simple English on subjects that are notable, interesting etc. Don't worry about your English, other editors will fix it if it needs fixing. Many people using this Wikipedia and editing here have a mother tongue that isn't English. Why should we punish people for creating interesting pages? Note that with very few exceptions anyone can edit any page here. So be bold, and create a new page if you think it is missing. Eptalon (talk) 12:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge proposal notification change

I have proposed that we merge Operation Poseidon Archer into the Red Sea conflict. Please join the discussion at Talk:Operation Poseidon Archer#Merge proposal Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 08:04, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion on addition to MOS - Captions change

I have started a discussion on the talk page of WP:MOS. Please participate by joining the discussion here. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 10:16, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some eyes change

As I’m not an expert and this particular article, K2, is not within my wheelhouse. I’ve noticed a lot of ip editing to it lately and they do a lot of small changes so I can’t really pin point where things are being introduced. What I have been able to tell is there is some WP:NPOV issues and from looking at the en wiki article this mountain seems to be located in 3 different countries, however, in our version it says it’s only in Pakistan. I’ve also seen edits where it says INDIA Pakistan (I’m pretty sure I know my countries and that is not one of them). I think some extra eyes would be beneficial.

Perhaps we could also get semi-protection on this for a bit to avoid the small changes that IPs keep making leaning it to NPOV? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:23, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To me, it looks it is on the border between China, and Pakistan.... Eptalon (talk) 18:53, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Eptalon En wiki has it documented (with a few references) as “It lies in the Karakoram range, partially in the Gilgit-Baltistanregion of Pakistan-administered Kashmir and partially in the China-administered Trans-Karakoram Tract in the Taxkorgan Tajik Autonomous County of Xinjiang.” Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:01, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it was like most of the mountains in central Europe, it likely forms the border. Meaning one side is in one country, the other side in the other. Eptalon (talk) 19:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
K2 is on the border of Pakistan and China, partially within both countries. It used to be entirely within Pakistan I believe until 1963. The mention of India in the article is probably POV pushing on the Kashmir issue. 19:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC) – Cyber.Eyes2005Talk 19:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pak-administered K and China-administered K... Eptalon (talk) 19:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Eptalon @PotsdamLamb @Cyber.Eyes.2005 it's in Pak and China administered Kashmir but the China administered Kashmir is what India claims to be it's land (Aksai Chin) that's why @PotsdamLamb must have seen India somewhere I guess.... -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 19:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Likely so. – Cyber.Eyes2005Talk 19:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is the diff Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have made it simple, called it Pakistan and China. No need to complicate things. Eptalon (talk) 19:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Eptalon Can’t get much simpler. I give it less than 24 hours before it’s hit again. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:50, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tool Broken change

The page size tool keeps giving me "undefined B" for readable prose size every time I use it, even though it still works on enwiki. It has been a problem for several days now. Please fix this. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:42, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@QuicoleJR You best place to post this is on the mediawiki project and explain in detail on what is happening. If this is a script, you will need to contact the creator of the script and do the same explanation. The gadgets and scripts are not something admins can do here unless it’s a script one of them made. You can also see if anyone else has this problem to help isolate it to the tool or to your computer. Hope this helps! Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 14:48, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PotsdamLamb: Seems like it is a third-party tool. What do I do now? Should I try to get someone to port the enwiki version? QuicoleJR (talk) 14:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@QuicoleJRWhat’s the link to the tool? Is it in your js file? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 14:55, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can't find a link. What I thought was the link was switched out at some point, and I can't find the old one. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@QuicoleJR Stand by Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 15:03, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@QuicoleJR check your email and we can go from there. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 15:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  Comment: Still no update from developers. Will let @QuicoleJR know when I get any update. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 04:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PotsdamLamb: Any updates yet? QuicoleJR (talk) 17:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@QuicoleJR Nothing yet. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@QuicoleJR Still nothing yet. I am going to ask someone else something and see if it fixes it. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 04:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DYK update frequency change

Hello all, there's been some back and forth at Wikipedia talk:Did you know however no results were achieved/consensus. I was wondering if we might be able to reach something here or if not if we could direct a vote (if needed) somewhere else.

If you could see the did you know nominations page, there's a large amount of approved hooks in the holding area. We agree that the solution would be to increase the DYK update frequency. Perhaps instead of twice a month we could go back to updating once a week.

Not sure if we could get the ball rolling here since at Wikipedia talk:Did you know there hasn't been much activity/updates about this.

I'd be in favor of updating DYK's once a week/every ten days so that we could knock out some hooks from the holding area. Thoughts? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Support I agree, at least till the time we have a lot of accepted nominations -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 00:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  Support We have way too many hooks in the waiting area. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

QD change

A lot of pages are being marked with G8, but they seem alright and there isn't any QD addition log in the edit history? Does somebody know what is going on? SI (talk) 16:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

somebody went to delete a template redirect but forgot to add the noinclude tags around the QD MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk) 03:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2024: We are back! change

 

Please help translate to your language

Hello, dear Wikipedians!

Wikimedia Ukraine, in cooperation with the MFA of Ukraine and Ukrainian Institute, has launched the forth edition of writing challenge "Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month", which lasts from 1st until 31st March 2024. The campaign is dedicated to famous Ukrainian artists of cinema, music, literature, architecture, design and cultural phenomena of Ukraine that are now part of world heritage. We accept contribution in every language! The most active contesters will receive prizes.

We invite you to take part and help us improve the coverage of Ukrainian culture on Wikipedia in your language! Also, we plan to set up a banner to notify users of the possibility to participate in such a challenge! ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk)

We have entered March! change

We have entered March with 248,381 articles! Starting a new month, we should all try to start a new article. I'm very excited what new things will be added to Simple Wikipedia. Colonelsnow (talk) 12:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please: We will get the 1619 articles eventually. So rather than mass-creating articles focus on quality. The idea is still to be able to promote 1-2 good articles per month. Eptalon (talk) 18:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was just trying to encourage Simple Wikipedians; not rush them. The more the people engage their time in creating articles, the more the good articles should be filtered out from bad ones. Anyway, there are thousands of contributers. Colonelsnow (talk) 04:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]