User talk:PotsdamLamb/Archive 1

Vudu

To explain why I deleted this page that you just edited: Vudu is a streaming service. All incoming links to Vudu are related to television and not to the religion. Since the streaming service is the primary meaning (even though it might not be familiar to everyone), it's better to leave the page as a red link than have it redirect to Voodoo. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 for a non-native English speaker though I could see them doing a search for Vudo while referring to voodoo. Or a younger individual who has not gotten to that level of spelling and wants to read about it. But I also see your point of view. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 04:43, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

If there wasn't something that used the specific spelling "Vudu," I make ght have left it or made a dab page.

Also, it isn't only younger people who might not know the right spelling of the religion. It could be any of our target audience. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 True I always forget that part. Thanks for the reminder. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Many people do. We've even had some people get upset about certain articles because they thought this wiki was for children. We have to explain that the Wikipedias are not censored and that, as with most of the Internet, parents and guardians need to decide what's appropriate for any children they care for. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Plus it is at the bottom of every page under disclaimers :) I just point to that. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Deletion requests

Hi, PDL. I noticed that you opened RFDs on some articles, including Sawyer Sharbino, due to lack of notability. Since you also recently posted on the admins' noticeboard about there being a backlog of RFDs, I'd like to ask that you consider using the QD process where it applies. That would help prevent an RFD backlog and get pages deleted sooner. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I did, but the creator contested it on the talk pages of each of those articles. So the next step is RfD. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

When a QD is contested, that doesn't mean it has to go to RFD at that point. It means that the admin who responds to the QD evaluates whatever the person contesting it says, then decides whether to delete. Only if an admin then declines the QD does the article have to go to RFD. In the case of the Sawyer Sharbino article, the things the creator wrote on the talk page did not make a case for notability, IMO. (I haven't checked the specifics of any other articles.) -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Ok they are all the same. I will happily withdraw the RfD so it can be QDd. However, that goes against the policy of Is about people, groups, companies, products, services or websites that do not claim to be notable. This includes any article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, product, service or web content that does not say why the subject is important. If the article says why the subject is important, the article is not eligible for A4 deletion. If not everyone agrees that the subject is not notable or there has been a previous RfD, the article may not be quickly deleted, and should be discussed at RfD instead. Since they contested that they are actors and meet the requirements then I sent it to RfD as is normal practice. As far as what I mentioned with the backlog, it was because there were a lot of RfDs that expired and had clear consensus at the closing time stated. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

You don't have to withdraw the RFDs. The QDs might have been declined for other reasons anyway, but being contested doesn't prevent the article from being QD'd. That's explained in the text displayed by the {{wait}} template.

Besides that, the creator didn't actually contest the QD. They just put information about the subject on the talk page. Contesting usually means using the {{wait}} template.

I just noticed unclear wording in that policy. It says the article may not be quickly deleted. That could mean it might not be quickly deleted, or that it's not allowed to be quickly deleted. Maybe that should be clarified. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I agree. Maybe it needs to be simplified and also laid out because what I am gathering from this conversation is that editors can only request QD but an admin can only make it an RfD based on what you put here. Also, this should be modified from If not everyone agrees that the subject is not notable or there has been a previous RfD, the article may not be quickly deleted to If an article was previously discussed at an RfD and the outcome was to delete, it may not come back to the RfD for a (insert certain amount of time here) Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 18:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Not quite. Here's how we usually process things: When there is an open QD request, anyone can place a {{wait}} template, either the creator or someone else. The person placing it should explain on the talk page why they think the article should not be quickly deleted. The admin who looks at it evaluates the indicated QD reason and the text on the talk page. They then decide whether to quickly delete the page. If they decide against quick deletion, they sometimes open an RFD. If they don't, anyone else can open an RFD.

That's not what I would change the text to, partly because the word may is ambiguous. But it would be subject to discussion anyway because it is a policy. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I pretty much assumed that is why we get prompted when we hit the QD to make a selection then type in a reason. The editor who posts the wait tag should be the one who starts the discussion per the tag as I believe it says if you do not agree place wait at the top of the page and start a discussion on why it should not be quickly deleted on the talk page or something to that effect. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 21:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

The QD template text says to place the wait tag below the QD message (not at the top) and then say on the talk page why the page shouldn't be deleted. It doesn't say "discussion", it just says that one person, the one who placed a wait tag, should say why not to delete. It's at QD at this point, so there's no discussion expected. A discussion would be at RFD, which could happen if the QD is declined. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Date formatting

Hi, if it's easy for you, could you use the script to convert the dates into DMY format for Singapore? It's a former British colony so it should use that format. Lights and freedom (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom  Done - There are some citation issues if you want to track them down. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 01:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Great! But I don't really know much about the error categories. Also, I'm not sure "de-link common terms" is always good; it probably depends on the word and the situation. Lights and freedom (talk) 01:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom Common terms includes things like English, language, all the basics it unlinks them because everyone should know what they mean. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 01:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Important terms should be linked even if they're common. You might think "everyone" should know certain terms, but people whose English is not good often don't know such terms in English. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 So you are saying 1) Overlinking is ok and 2) the basic 850 simple english words should be linked? Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 02:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Sorry add-on thought. The word 'English", 'english", "language" are some of the unlinked terms. Other words are "world", country names like "United States", "United Kingdom" etc. are the ones the script removes. It will leave the first instance of the word (or is supposed to). Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 02:49, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

1) I didn't say that overlinking is OK. I haven't seen any changes where things are being unlinked, so I don't know exactly what's being done. In general, only the first occurrence should be linked (although there are exceptions). Here's a discussion about that, and here's what the MOS has to say.

2) Yes, the basic words should be linked. People learning English might not know all the basic words.

Country names should be linked (the first time, and other times as described in the linked discussion). The English name might not look like the name in a reader's native language. For example, words for "Germany" in other languages include Deutschland and Alemania; those don't look like "Germany" at all.

-- Auntof6 (talk) 03:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 ok gotcha thanks for correcting me! Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 03:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 To see what was unlinked, you can look at the two most recent edits for Singapore. I'm not too concerned if my edits get reverted or something. Lights and freedom (talk) 03:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6@Lights and freedom I reverted it back to the version before me and then ran just the dates and source fix. All links should be restored now. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 03:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Vudu

To explain why I deleted this page that you just edited: Vudu is a streaming service. All incoming links to Vudu are related to television and not to the religion. Since the streaming service is the primary meaning (even though it might not be familiar to everyone), it's better to leave the page as a red link than have it redirect to Voodoo. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 for a non-native English speaker though I could see them doing a search for Vudo while referring to voodoo. Or a younger individual who has not gotten to that level of spelling and wants to read about it. But I also see your point of view. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 04:43, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

If there wasn't something that used the specific spelling "Vudu," I make ght have left it or made a dab page.

Also, it isn't only younger people who might not know the right spelling of the religion. It could be any of our target audience. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 True I always forget that part. Thanks for the reminder. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Many people do. We've even had some people get upset about certain articles because they thought this wiki was for children. We have to explain that the Wikipedias are not censored and that, as with most of the Internet, parents and guardians need to decide what's appropriate for any children they care for. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Plus it is at the bottom of every page under disclaimers :) I just point to that. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Vudu

To explain why I deleted this page that you just edited: Vudu is a streaming service. All incoming links to Vudu are related to television and not to the religion. Since the streaming service is the primary meaning (even though it might not be familiar to everyone), it's better to leave the page as a red link than have it redirect to Voodoo. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 for a non-native English speaker though I could see them doing a search for Vudo while referring to voodoo. Or a younger individual who has not gotten to that level of spelling and wants to read about it. But I also see your point of view. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 04:43, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

If there wasn't something that used the specific spelling "Vudu," I make ght have left it or made a dab page.

Also, it isn't only younger people who might not know the right spelling of the religion. It could be any of our target audience. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 True I always forget that part. Thanks for the reminder. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Many people do. We've even had some people get upset about certain articles because they thought this wiki was for children. We have to explain that the Wikipedias are not censored and that, as with most of the Internet, parents and guardians need to decide what's appropriate for any children they care for. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Plus it is at the bottom of every page under disclaimers :) I just point to that. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Deletion requests

Hi, PDL. I noticed that you opened RFDs on some articles, including Sawyer Sharbino, due to lack of notability. Since you also recently posted on the admins' noticeboard about there being a backlog of RFDs, I'd like to ask that you consider using the QD process where it applies. That would help prevent an RFD backlog and get pages deleted sooner. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I did, but the creator contested it on the talk pages of each of those articles. So the next step is RfD. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

When a QD is contested, that doesn't mean it has to go to RFD at that point. It means that the admin who responds to the QD evaluates whatever the person contesting it says, then decides whether to delete. Only if an admin then declines the QD does the article have to go to RFD. In the case of the Sawyer Sharbino article, the things the creator wrote on the talk page did not make a case for notability, IMO. (I haven't checked the specifics of any other articles.) -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Ok they are all the same. I will happily withdraw the RfD so it can be QDd. However, that goes against the policy of Is about people, groups, companies, products, services or websites that do not claim to be notable. This includes any article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, product, service or web content that does not say why the subject is important. If the article says why the subject is important, the article is not eligible for A4 deletion. If not everyone agrees that the subject is not notable or there has been a previous RfD, the article may not be quickly deleted, and should be discussed at RfD instead. Since they contested that they are actors and meet the requirements then I sent it to RfD as is normal practice. As far as what I mentioned with the backlog, it was because there were a lot of RfDs that expired and had clear consensus at the closing time stated. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

You don't have to withdraw the RFDs. The QDs might have been declined for other reasons anyway, but being contested doesn't prevent the article from being QD'd. That's explained in the text displayed by the {{wait}} template.

Besides that, the creator didn't actually contest the QD. They just put information about the subject on the talk page. Contesting usually means using the {{wait}} template.

I just noticed unclear wording in that policy. It says the article may not be quickly deleted. That could mean it might not be quickly deleted, or that it's not allowed to be quickly deleted. Maybe that should be clarified. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I agree. Maybe it needs to be simplified and also laid out because what I am gathering from this conversation is that editors can only request QD but an admin can only make it an RfD based on what you put here. Also, this should be modified from If not everyone agrees that the subject is not notable or there has been a previous RfD, the article may not be quickly deleted to If an article was previously discussed at an RfD and the outcome was to delete, it may not come back to the RfD for a (insert certain amount of time here) Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 18:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Not quite. Here's how we usually process things: When there is an open QD request, anyone can place a {{wait}} template, either the creator or someone else. The person placing it should explain on the talk page why they think the article should not be quickly deleted. The admin who looks at it evaluates the indicated QD reason and the text on the talk page. They then decide whether to quickly delete the page. If they decide against quick deletion, they sometimes open an RFD. If they don't, anyone else can open an RFD.

That's not what I would change the text to, partly because the word may is ambiguous. But it would be subject to discussion anyway because it is a policy. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I pretty much assumed that is why we get prompted when we hit the QD to make a selection then type in a reason. The editor who posts the wait tag should be the one who starts the discussion per the tag as I believe it says if you do not agree place wait at the top of the page and start a discussion on why it should not be quickly deleted on the talk page or something to that effect. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 21:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

The QD template text says to place the wait tag below the QD message (not at the top) and then say on the talk page why the page shouldn't be deleted. It doesn't say "discussion", it just says that one person, the one who placed a wait tag, should say why not to delete. It's at QD at this point, so there's no discussion expected. A discussion would be at RFD, which could happen if the QD is declined. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Date formatting

Hi, if it's easy for you, could you use the script to convert the dates into DMY format for Singapore? It's a former British colony so it should use that format. Lights and freedom (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom  Done - There are some citation issues if you want to track them down. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 01:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Great! But I don't really know much about the error categories. Also, I'm not sure "de-link common terms" is always good; it probably depends on the word and the situation. Lights and freedom (talk) 01:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom Common terms includes things like English, language, all the basics it unlinks them because everyone should know what they mean. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 01:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Important terms should be linked even if they're common. You might think "everyone" should know certain terms, but people whose English is not good often don't know such terms in English. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 So you are saying 1) Overlinking is ok and 2) the basic 850 simple english words should be linked? Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 02:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Sorry add-on thought. The word 'English", 'english", "language" are some of the unlinked terms. Other words are "world", country names like "United States", "United Kingdom" etc. are the ones the script removes. It will leave the first instance of the word (or is supposed to). Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 02:49, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

1) I didn't say that overlinking is OK. I haven't seen any changes where things are being unlinked, so I don't know exactly what's being done. In general, only the first occurrence should be linked (although there are exceptions). Here's a discussion about that, and here's what the MOS has to say.

2) Yes, the basic words should be linked. People learning English might not know all the basic words.

Country names should be linked (the first time, and other times as described in the linked discussion). The English name might not look like the name in a reader's native language. For example, words for "Germany" in other languages include Deutschland and Alemania; those don't look like "Germany" at all.

-- Auntof6 (talk) 03:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 ok gotcha thanks for correcting me! Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 03:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 To see what was unlinked, you can look at the two most recent edits for Singapore. I'm not too concerned if my edits get reverted or something. Lights and freedom (talk) 03:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6@Lights and freedom I reverted it back to the version before me and then ran just the dates and source fix. All links should be restored now. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 03:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Vudu

To explain why I deleted this page that you just edited: Vudu is a streaming service. All incoming links to Vudu are related to television and not to the religion. Since the streaming service is the primary meaning (even though it might not be familiar to everyone), it's better to leave the page as a red link than have it redirect to Voodoo. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:37, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 for a non-native English speaker though I could see them doing a search for Vudo while referring to voodoo. Or a younger individual who has not gotten to that level of spelling and wants to read about it. But I also see your point of view. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 04:43, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

If there wasn't something that used the specific spelling "Vudu," I make ght have left it or made a dab page.

Also, it isn't only younger people who might not know the right spelling of the religion. It could be any of our target audience. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 True I always forget that part. Thanks for the reminder. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Many people do. We've even had some people get upset about certain articles because they thought this wiki was for children. We have to explain that the Wikipedias are not censored and that, as with most of the Internet, parents and guardians need to decide what's appropriate for any children they care for. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Plus it is at the bottom of every page under disclaimers :) I just point to that. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 17:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Rio Sakurai

I see the wait template you put on this page. Are you going to explain on the talk page? Because otherwise, I would delete it as it stands now. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Or maybe redirect it. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:45, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

I literally just put it there so I am doing the talk. If you can give me a moment please. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 19:45, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Will do: that's why I asked first. :) -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 It's posted. :) Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 19:47, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Sorry

I see I've made another mistake involving deletion, I read the section about it, I guess I should have payed more attention to the article content as at one moment I thought she was an actor. It won't happen again, sorry. N1TH Music (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Also please do not add something like this on other comments. The interaction you added this to was a jump from the admin (we do that to each other sometimes) so please keep it separate for me. Thanks Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 19:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

@N1TH Music BTW, it is not a mistake, you are still learning. Like I said on your TP we have different avenues we can go which is QD, RfD, Merge, Redirect, Improve, etc. We try to keep as many article as we can and we do not want to tag all sorts of articles unless we know which cat it falls under. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 20:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh sorry I didn't see this message, My internet is coordinated to switch off at times. Anyway that's reassuring but you said I could be blocked for more errors yesterday, did you not? N1TH Music (talk) 07:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Initially it was a different section but then I noticed it had the same name. Anyway I'm sure everyone knows I'm acting in good faith, I'm trying my best and I was certain it qualified for QD-A4 (And it did but I don't normally consider redirects for QDs only Rfds) the important thing is that I don't continue screwing up in the same ways right. Because I've read all the guidelines and I think I know it all but I some little detail we do different from enWiki may slip through the cracks every now and then, I won't get blocked for that will I? Also did you have a chance to review my other edits? N1TH Music (talk) 07:08, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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RedWarn

Hello! I noticed you installed RedWarn on your common.js and also added RedWarnconfig.js. I was wondering whether these two scripts worked for you here, as I have just added them to mine and RedWarn is not showing up for me. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 21:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Redwarn is specifically for English Wikipedia. -Djsasso (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso and Belwine: Yeah I figured that out. Thanks PotsdamLamb (talk) 19:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok, thanks Djsasso --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 19:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, PotsdamLamb. You have new messages at Belwine's talk page.
Message added 21:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

let me know if you don't want talkback in future Belwine • 💬 • 📜 21:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Revert

I reverted your edit at deletion review. They didn't edit a template, they brought a page to deletion review. I'm not sure what you meant by that in any case, because anyone can edit templates anyway. Best, --IWI (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I posted on yours at the same time. Sorry PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

RfD warn template

Hello. You probably realised there is no rfd template in Twinkle (yet), but there is a template for it: {{subst:uw-rfd}} if you want to use it for future - RfD templates keep on getting removed on that page, so I won't be surprised if you'll need it. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 20:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: - Hey Bel = So are you saying to change the template then to the substitute in twinkle? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

No, unfortunately you just have to add it to the user talk page. There was a request for the Rfd warn to be added into Twinkle but it hasn't been added in yet, I'll see if I can request again... Thanks, Belwine • 💬 • 📜 20:55, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok! Let me know when you post it and provide me a link and I will second the addition! PotsdamLamb (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I've posted the request but the page seems to be pretty quiet... it's been requested twice now, see here for first request --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 21:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

QD

Hi, I'm TTP1233, I checked that you made QD of a user page of a user under U2. But let me know that use has some contributions on both wikis. But your more details info is true. I'm sorry but we have to revert it because it doesn't qualify U2. Thank you.DJRC (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@TTP1233: Why does your signature not match your user name? PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I changed my sign on my preference (my setting). You can also do this in here.DJRC (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

While it is not forbidden to do so, it is encouraged that people do not have signatures that don't match their username as it can make it confusing for people matching signatures to who it is. Especially since the edit history of a talk page will have a different name than the signature. -Djsasso (talk) 16:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, they have no contributions to either wiki. Thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Its ook. I saw all in Belwine's talk page. Apologise anyways!.DJRC (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thoughts?

Belwine - What are your thoughts on this page? A crapload of references but only 2 sentences in the entire article?

Ethiopian Empire

Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC) (AKA Chuck)

Yeah, that's exactly what I think. It's got loads of references, but it's really short and there are no inline citations. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 19:30, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: what do you think we need to do with this? I’m no expert in that area. Should I tag it for expert needed? PotsdamLamb (talk) 19:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I'd think that'd be the best idea. I'm not an expert in that area, but I might expand it tomorrow. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 19:36, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

QD of User:Captain MarcusL

Just want to note that the picture on the right were all from Commons and the user can use them if they want. They weren't copyrighted photos from another website. --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 17:23, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that is not true. I think someone skirted CR. The current logo is from 2002 until current [2]. It was not created in 1962 as the picture states [3]. PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

However, they are on the Commons, so if there are copyright issues, the images have to be removed from there. --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 17:31, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I do not have access to do that on that page. PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: - What are your thoughts on this? The partial here and the partial on the users talk page. Thanks for your input. --PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

The pictures are not an issue, the logo in particular is on commons because it can't be copywritten as it is just geometric shapes and letters. Go to the commons page and it explains it better. -Djsasso (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: That’s just the logo but the information on the logo is incorrect (like 1922 or something). What about the sports figure info box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PotsdamLamb (talk • contribs)

I think the date being used is for the first iteration of the logo. The logo as of 2002 is just a minor alteration of the original logo. Either way it doesn't affect why it is on commons, it would be on commons with either date. The sports figure infobox is fine as well. You can have pretty much whatever on your userpage unless it was an attack or spam or something along those lines. -Djsasso (talk) 12:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

okies, thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk page protected...

Hello PotsdamLamb, I have semi-protected your talk page for three months. This means that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. Since the talk page is the way to communicate with you, i have limited this protection to three months. If vandalism still is a problem after that time, feel free to re-apply for TP protection. --Eptalon (talk) 08:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: Thanks! Much appreciated. PotsdamLamb (talk) 08:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Questions

Ok @Belwine: - Two questions for you.

• If I wanted to hit the requests for articles and bring one over from en and I wanted to put it in draft first, would I just create a subpage under my account title "Draft:Example" so it does not get into the main space until I complete it for simple?
• When that is done since I have never done a page move, how can I move it from Draft to mainspace?

Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. If you want to create an article as a draft, you'd have to do it at User:PotsdamLamb/PAGE (PAGE being the page you want to create), as we don't have a Draft: space here. Once you've finished making your article, go to "More" and then press "Move". If you have any issues with that, then you can just go directly to simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/User:PotsdamLamb/PAGE to move the page. Thanks, Belwine (talk) 20:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Why is your signature here different than everywhere else? AKA see QD of User above :) Is your keyboard having a case of the Mondays on Friday? lol PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

No, I just changed it, as I had a discussion on Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2021/QueerSportSplit about my signature. I might use some sort of variation of the old one in the future, with a different colour in the background and no emojis but for now, I'll just be using this one. —Belwine (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh OK :) PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Facts Only Articles

Hey @Belwine: - So looking at articles needed, I have come across numerous "Football at the ???? Summer Olympics" (???? = given year) When I look at en, it is all facts and grids. How can this be translated without just a C/P to simple? Here is one such example. Thanks --PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. These tables could be copied from the English Wikipedia, and the summary could be simplified. You can just say in the change summary "tables copied from enwiki" or something similar. Thanks, --Belwine (talk) 18:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks Belwine! I also wanted to let you know I made a line change to the anti-vandalism top icon (I see you have the old one) If you use {{top icon| imagename = Symbol oppose vote.svg|title=This user is a member of the Wikiproject Anti-Vandalism|link=user:runningblader/Wikiproject Anti-Vandalism}} it will prevent it from covering your other top icons. PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I've changed the template so it's like that now. You can just use {{User:Runningblader/Vand}} Belwine (talk) 18:24, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! I have not gotten into templates yet. I know how to fix broken ones, but that is about it (i.e. they are missing a parameter or data) lol. PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not amazing at templates yet. For that User:Runningblader/Vand, I just copied a little from Template:rollbacker. --Belwine (talk) 18:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

One Long List

So there is an article I came across while checking for the {{reflist}} and it has over 1800 citations of which some come up in the article as just the template and a lot of them are duplicates. Want to help me tackle this? What do you think would be the best way to do this?

Article: List of sequenced animal genomes

Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. This article seems to have been copied from enwiki, but something must have happened with the citations - they suddenly go up to 1000. Compared to the English Wikipedia, this article has a few additions, but the language is complicated. IMO, the article could be deleted under QD A3. Thanks, Belwine (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Future reference, this wasn't remotely a valid QD A3. Just being copied from en.wiki is not an A3. And scientific names are not considered complex here, they are the epitome of simple as their ability to be recognized across language is the reason they are used. As such I restored the article. Not 100% sure where Mac got all the added information from as it is much bigger than the en version. I have shrunk it down to the en version for now. In the future working with the author of the page might work better. -Djsasso (talk) 13:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Question for editors

@Djsasso and Belwine: - I am looking to understand how such an item is considered an encyclopedic article: Blowing a raspberry. Thank for any input. PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Anything that is written about in reliable sources is notable and therefore encyclopedic. Blowing raspberries is a very well known phenomenon. -Djsasso (talk) 17:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Phenomenon huh? I like how that’s categorized. Thanks DJ PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Not sure what to call it

@Djsasso and Belwine: - In the article Sevilla F.C. under the near end there is a table but it is inside a frame. The section is Sevilla_F.C.#Former_position. I have never seen this in any article. Should this be fixed somehow?

Thanks PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Others Sandboxes

Hey @Eptalon: - Why would other users edit someones else's sandbox and not their own as seen here? PotsdamLamb (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

That edit occurs within a "complex" section, so simply updating there, before copying somewhere? - Other option, the two might be working on something together? --Eptalon (talk) 22:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha! Thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Formatting

@Belwine: - I am trying to clean up the format between sections 2, 3, and 4. So that 3 and 4 are below 3. I forgot the code. Article is Vouziers. PotsdamLamb (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

oh, do you want the population graph to just have its own section? Just do {{clear left}}. Also, I removed the coat of arms picture as the coat of arms was already in the infobox. Thanks, Belwine (talk) 10:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

IRC chat

Hi! Do you have some time to chat on IRC? Vermont (talk) 22:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done PotsdamLamb (talk) 22:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

query

• Hi! What's a military police? --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 22:45, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
• (talk page stalker) In many countries, the military has a specialized police force only for people in the military. see en:Military police. This is ofc only for things inside the military (which are often not open to the public). In most countries, the military is also accountable to the normal police. A soldier in a traffic accident will be tried much the same as any other person in a traffic accident, most of the time. --Eptalon (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  LOL Thanks Eptalon, I was typing something out, but that works too :) PotsdamLamb (talk) 22:54, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: That’s pretty much spot on. As military police (what we are called in the US Army and National guard (various names are used for example in the US Navy they are called Sentries, the US Marine Corp calls them Marine Corp Police). We have various positions we can be in which is typically what you will find in a big cities police department. Dog handlers, forensics, investigators, patrol, protection for the command staff and their facilities and the commanders residence on base, prisoners (on US soil and handling POW, etc. We are also the highest visible within the military due to the fact we are the first group and the last group the public sees when entering and exiting bases. There are occasions where we do have jurisdiction outside of the military base and it’s usually overseas to keep the soldiers out of the local polices hands by patrolling bars and other places soldiers go and we can apprehend them and bring them back to base and put them in a cell overnight for being drunk. Typically no regular police in the US have any authority on a military base. If they have a warrant for a soldier they have to give it to our bases Provost Marshal and then we execute it and turn the soldier over to the PM and they in turn will transport them off base to the police station. There is a lot more to what we do and who we are but that will be a lot of typing. Thanks for asking! PotsdamLamb (talk) 02:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that sounds interesting! Thanks for teaching me something new today! In Canada we have a RCMP force, basically, it's one Police Force for all of Canada, if the city is too small to fund their own police department, I'm not sure about what police the Canadian Army has though. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: Here ya go en:Canadian Forces Military Police. That should help you. PotsdamLamb (talk) 03:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 03:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Copyright Issues

Hey @Djsasso, Belwine, and ShadowBallX: - I was just looking at a few articles created by Wikky21. The user was created on February 11, 2021 (so 8 days ago). They seem to be ignoring messages posted on their talk, but more importantly, when I compared some of their articles to the EWP, they are an almost exact match with the exception they left something out like the players' position (i.e. Maho Shimizu vs. en:Maho Shimizu, other than that verbatim on almost all of the articles. The talk page for a majority also says they are being translated from the English Wikipedia (see talk page of the previous example). That is not a translation. A translation to me would from one language to another. I have also noticed some are being brought over with just minimal information compared to those on EWP with a lot more. (i.e. Tegevajaro Miyazaki vs. en:Tegevajaro Miyazaki). In 8 days, they have racked up over 1440 edits of which a majority are new pages and red-linked templates and cats. What are your thoughts? Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 04:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

As long as they are leaving attribution, they are fine to copy articles from the English Wikipedia. These articles seem relatively simple as well, so I think copying is ok for these. —Belwine (talk) 10:04, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: some they are not leaving attribution and I posted a notice about spelling, grammar, etc. Sasso left a note about red cats and the user is still doing it hours after the notice. They are also leaving valuable info out to make it look like they changed it but tables, especially on all these sports articles should be copied over as they are and when that was done they would leave a single line out. I feel like this editor is going for quantity vs quality especially in eight days plus we have to go back and correct all of them and some are not stubs if they bring over the entire page including table then give credit to EN. Saying it translated from the EWP is not how I thought we gave attribute as it’s not being translated in any way, just a c/p. PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:24, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Let's see what their next few articles are like. I remember looking through the articles a few days ago and being quite happy with them, so let's see how these next few articles are. —Belwine (talk) 10:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I gave two examples above of simple vs EWP which shows what was done. Look at the Maho one from above as well as the other link. You should be able to see what I’m seeing if you read through them with incorrect grammar and such. It’s going to be a big headache for us to clean up all of these partial articles. PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I am quite happy with this article they created. Sure, it is a copy from enwiki, but IMO, it is better than most Japanese footballer articles we have right now. A lot of these Japanese footballer articles are single sentence stubs, but these are longer and still quite simple. —Belwine (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I will say it does look good, but hard read without the proper grammar in it. I barely see the, of, etc. in that article “ She played for Japan national team” should read “She plays for the....” or “She played for the...” The biography has a few grammatical errors in it to. So I guess my point is if you leave out the facts and do not correct the grammar and continue to introduce red linked categories, then someone has to go back through all of them, copy the tables over to complete the articles and do all the other work. They are copying over sentences not grammatically correct and not fixing them aka as garbage in, garbage out 🤔🥱😴 PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:55, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

• Sorry wanted to add as to why there are no references coming over on these especially since they are BLPs like this one Belwine where you removed the empty reference heading. Keita Kasahara. I thought all BLPs needed references? So again what I’m seeing is someone going for quantity not quality. Ok now I’m off to bed. PotsdamLamb (talk) 11:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  The ones I linked to are ones that were made years ago by other users. See you later. —Belwine (talk) 11:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hello there, we are talking about (Japanese?) sports players, or sports clubs: If they copy from EnWp (or translate form JaWP,...) and they leave attribution they are fine. If it's only some basic stuff, they are probably fine too, because in many countries, copyright needs a certain "height of invention". Also, this wiki is direly lacking content, so when someone find the stamina to create a few pages on sportspeople or clubs, and that these pages are reasonably simple, then we probably shouldn't keep them from doing so. And if like in this case, the pages are reasonably simple to understand, I don't really see a problem. --Eptalon (talk) 11:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: so three questions/statements:

1. Not all of the articles they moved are given the appropriate attribution. It is about 50/50.
2. A lot of these are lacking words that are throwing off the grammatical structure. (i.e. "is a member Japan ...")
3. Is it adequate to say "This was article was translated from the EN wiki"? Would that qualify as attribution, or should it be tagged with something else? PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

This is Simple English Wikipedia; while most people here are proficient at English, some are learning it, and are not as good yet. Also note, that many Asiatic languages have a grammars that are noticeably different from the English one. The person tried to do an attribution, and we can see what the target seems to have been. DOn't get picky on language issues, especially on people whose language isn't English.--Eptalon (talk) 19:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: - Ok, that's no issue. I will have to take some time and go through and fix them. What about #3 above? So I see {{translated page|es|Escepticismo filosófico|version=51708082}} but should that be used on the pages from English WP? Do we have a different template that can be used if it is copied over from EN? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

There are the templates {{Enwp based}}, and {{Based on}} which could also be used. As I remember, I mostly used the first...--Eptalon (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: - Ok. That makes more sense to me as we really are not translating articles from EN, just copying them over. Would we be able to maybe update this page Wikipedia:How_to_copy_from_another_Wikipedia and add that as a step maybe stating "If copying from the English Wikipedia, please use {{Enwp based}} since there is no translating of the same language? Should I maybe start a conversation somewhere for all to read and post their comments? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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Again, its not a general rule: Some articles are "easy enough to understand", and don't ned further simplification, others do need to be simplified. Using the rules such as "one idea per sentence" or "phrasal verbs are false friends" is always helpful. I know, this may be difficult to understand to a native speaker. --Eptalon (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: I was not talking about the articles and the words within. I was talking about the appropriate attribution that came from the ENWP and to use the template enwp instead of the translate one. In the steps required on how to copy it says to put it in an edit summary, I have seen guidelines that say put the translate on the talk page. However, if it is coming from ENWP, should it not be enwp for those coming from ENWP vs translated from (insert language here) for those coming say from the Russian WP? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter. Personally, I'd go with the template on the talk page, rather than the note in the edit summary. But think ahead: trake an article that's edited a few times a year: In 2-3 years it will have become noticably different, and few peole will be interested in what was the base version. But again: if you find an appropriate template, that attributes, that's fine too. --Eptalon (talk) 21:23, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: Ok thanks. I see what you are saying. I was just thinking about how things are done and somethings I feel need to have the proper attribution, especially when BLP is involved. Thanks for the conversation. PotsdamLamb (talk) 21:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

We are translating, we are translating from complex english to simple english. Something you might be a bit unfamiliar with being relatively new here is that we treat Simple English as a completely different language in Wikipedia terms. The translating template is the correct one to use, you can use either, but every so often I convert them over to the translated page one if one of the other ones are used. Something else to remember is that if the article is a single sentence that just states a fact it does not meet the threshold of originality for copyright, thus does not need to be attributed. Another thing to keep in mind is that because we have a much smaller editor base we are a lot more forgiving on the quality of articles when they are first created than en.wiki is because we need the help more than a wiki with many editors. It is one of the reasons we don't throw cleanup tags as much on articles as they do on en.wiki because often adding the tag is worse than the issue that was on the page already. -Djsasso (talk) 12:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: Thanks for that. One last question. Should all articles have at least one reference (or more depending on the length as enwiki)? PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

That is the ideal, but they aren't required to have references immediately. References need to exist per WP:N but they don't have to be on the article immediately. See WP:BEFORE "D3" for an explanation. -Djsasso (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: So basically give it a day or two before I do anything? What if a very short article is made by someone who immediately got banned for whatever reason and they only did a one-liner like "Washington DC is the capital of the US." (although not simple English)? FYI so you know these questions are to help me understand things on this wiki so I can start doing some articles. PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Well no, what I am saying is it is not valid to delete articles just because they don't have references on the page. The vast majority of our articles won't have references on them. That isn't to say they can't be deleted if you look and find there can be no sources found anywhere in that case they likely fail WP:N. The one liner you mention would be a perfectly fine stub. If I came across that article I would probably just add categories and a stub tag. Might pull over an infobox or something from en.wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: Ok that works and I understand you. Thank you for the advice/heads-up/notice :) Want to go to work for me? hehe PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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In short: if you see a way that you think is viable, just be bold...--Eptalon (talk) 21:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Banning query

What about banning? If a user is banned in English Wikipedia, will he/she be able to edit to other language Wikipedias? Haoreima (talk) 07:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima, Vermont, and Belwine: I have added Belwine to this. Typically when you start a question on one persons page you want to keep it there. I have also tagged Vermont who is one of the administrators here on simple Wikipedia. I think the questions you are asking are better to be asked to an administrator. So Vermont will respond when they get the chance. PotsdamLamb (talk) 07:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Users banned on enwiki are welcome to edit other language Wikipedias, as long as they do not cause similar problems. Here, we have the one strike rule for users banned or blocked indefinitely on sister projects. --IWI (talk) 07:51, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

@ImprovedWikiImprovement: Thank you. Haoreima (talk) 11:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-09

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• Wikis using the Growth team tools can now show the name of a newcomer's mentor anywhere through a magic word. This can be used for welcome messages or userboxes.
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Flagging pages which need more work

• We don't have many pages which need no further work. Covering them with flags has little appeal except to make them look like crap! Who do you think is so under-employed that they are going to respond to flags? In general, adding a flag which says in effect "I really think someone else should do something" is not going to be productive. Just a personal view, of course! Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

@Macdonald-ross: can you please be more specific and provide links? I know the few I have added is because I cannot read the sources as they are out of country. Thanks PotsdamLamb (talk) 14:35, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the page was Hydra (mythology). Objectively speaking, there was nothing wrong with your comment. However, flagging poor-ish pages does nothing because we have such a small group of active editors. I've come across flags five years old, even ten years old, with no changes after the flag was put up. Here's the thing: although we have the same apparatus as En wiki, we have only a small number of competent editors. Consequently, it might be years before anyone does anything on a page. The steady collection of pages bearing flags which are technically justified but never heeded can be a depressing experience. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

So I just looked and that was done a while ago and was actually one of the last ones I did as I was speaking with another admin in chat and they said they were not really needed on SEWP. I also see Djsasso took care of these. I am a little lost as to why you are posting this, but I have received your advice. I am heading out. Have a great day! PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject invitation

Hello PotsdamLamb, I would like to invite you to WikiProject Vital Articles! There are over 100,000 articles on Simple English Wikipedia, but this project's goal is to work on 100 of the most important articles. We will choose one or two articles to improve at a time. We will try to make the articles more complete or promote them to good article status. Hope to see you there! Naddruf (talk) 18:46, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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• Many graphs have JavaScript errors. Graph editors can check their graphs in their browser's developer console after editing. [8]

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 March. It will be on all wikis from 11 March (calendar).
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Recent changes

• Wikis that are part of the desktop improvements project can now use a new search function. The desktop improvements and the new search will come to more wikis later. You can also test it early.
• Editors who put up banners or change site-wide JavaScript code should use the client error graph to see that their changes has not caused problems. You can read more. [12]

Problems

• Due to database issues the Wikimedia Beta Cluster was read-only for over a day.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 March. It will be on all wikis from 18 March (calendar).

Future changes

• You can add a newline or carriage return character to a custom signature if you use a template. There is a proposal to not allow them in the future. This is because they can cause formatting problems. [13][14]
• You will be able to read but not edit 12 wikis for a short period of time on 23 March at 06:00 (UTC). This could take 30 minutes but will probably be much faster.
• You can use Quarry for SQL queries to the Wiki Replicas. Cross-database JOINS will no longer work from 23 March. There will be a new field to specify the database to connect to. If you think this affects you and you need help you can post on Phabricator or on Wikitech. PAWS and other ways to do SQL queries to the Wiki Replicas will be affected later. [15]

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23:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, PotsdamLamb. You have a new email! Please check it at your convenience.
Message added 16:57, 20 March 2021 (UTC). You can take off this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.

—Belwine (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Oops, should have checked beforehand. Replied again. —Belwine (talk) 19:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Thinking Brittany Spears “Oooppsss I did it again!” Lol. All good.  Done PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a Wikipedia app for KaiOS phones. They don't have a touch screen so readers navigate with the phone keys. There is now a simulator so you can see what it looks like.
• The reply tool and new discussion tool are now available as the "Discussion tools" beta feature in almost all wikis except German Wikipedia.

Problems

• You will be able to read but not edit twelve wikis for a short period of time on 23 March at 06:00 (UTC). This can also affect password changes, logging in to new wikis, global renames and changing or confirming emails. This could take 30 minutes but will probably be much faster.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 March. It will be on all wikis from 25 March (calendar).
• Syntax highlighting colours will change to be easier to read. This will soon come to the first wikis. [16]

Future changes

• Flagged revisions will no longer have multiple tags like "tone" or "depth". It will also only have one tier. This was changed because very few wikis used these features and they make the tool difficult to maintain. [17][18]
• Gadgets and user scripts can access variables about the current page in JavaScript. In 2015 this was moved from wg* to mw.config. wg* will soon no longer work. [19]

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16:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Simple English<=>Regular English Wikipedia

@PotsdamLamb: I saw you have been blocked in Regular English Wikipedia. You have also said that your information has been taken from Simple English Wikipedia, by which you are blocked in regular English Wikipedia.

Do you think information from simple English Wikipedia can be really utilized for sock puppet investigation confirmation? Haoreima (talk) 03:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: This is a question best suited for the administrators. There are a few who watch my talk page or you can post it in the help forum for a better answer. PotsdamLamb (talk) 03:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: I thought you might have some knowledge as it was your past real life experience. Well, thank you. Haoreima (talk) 03:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

It is not something I know. I know Simple has a one strike rule if you have been banned from another Wikipedia in which they won’t issue a warning just block you. PotsdamLamb (talk) 03:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Some very old web browsers don’t work well with the Wikimedia wikis. Some old code for browsers that used to be supported is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. [20]
• IRC recent changes feeds have been moved to a new server. Make sure all tools automatically reconnect to irc.wikimedia.org and not to the name of any specific server. Users should also consider switching to the more modern EventStreams. [21]

Problems

• When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split. It might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. [22]
• Some translatable pages on Meta could not be edited. This was because of a bug in the translation tool. The new MediaWiki version was delayed because of problems like this. [23][24]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 March. It will be on all wikis from 1 April (calendar).

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17:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Editors can collapse part of an article so you have to click on it to see it. When you click a link to a section inside collapsed content it will now expand to show the section. The browser will scroll down to the section. Previously such links didn't work unless you manually expanded the content first. [25]

Changes later this week

• The citoid API will use for example 2010-12-XX instead of 2010-12 for dates with a month but no days. This is because 2010-12 could be confused with 2010-2012 instead of December 2010. This is called level 1 instead of level 0 in the Extended Date/Time Format. [26]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 April. It will be on all wikis from 8 April (calendar).

Future changes

• PAWS can now connect to the new Wiki Replicas. Cross-database JOINS will no longer work from 28 April. There is a new way to connect to the databases. Until 28 April both ways to connect to the databases will work. If you think this affects you and you need help you can post on Phabricator or on Wikitech.

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19:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Email to the Wikimedia wikis are handled by groups of Wikimedia editors. These volunteer response teams now use Znuny instead of OTRS. The functions and interface remain the same. The volunteer administrators will give more details about the next steps soon. [27][28]
• If you use syntax highlighting, you can see line numbers in the 2010 and 2017 wikitext editors when editing templates. This is to make it easier to see line breaks or talk about specific lines. Line numbers will soon come to all namespaces. [29][30][31]
• Because of a technical change there could be problems with gadgets and scripts that have an edit summary area that looks similar to this one. If they look strange they should use mw.loader.using('mediawiki.action.edit.styles') to go back to how they looked before. [32]
• The latest version of MediaWiki came to the Wikimedia wikis last week. There was no Tech News issue last week.

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

• The user group oversight will be renamed suppress. This is for technical reasons. This is the technical name. It doesn't affect what you call the editors with this user right on your wiki. This is planned to happen in two weeks. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.

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16:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-17

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Templates have parameters that can have specific values. It is possible to suggest values for editors with TemplateData. You can soon see them as a drop-down list in the visual editor. This is to help template users find the right values faster. [33][34][35]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 April. It will be on all wikis from 29 April (calendar).

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21:25, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Attack sum

You might as well request a revdel to oversighters for this. Darubrub (Let me know) 16:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I am ok with it (it is nothing major or an outing), however, before I can request, the IP needs to be blocked first or they will just continue. Thanks for the information. PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

move

You'll need to move this into userspace. I'm letting you know here instead of moving it myself as I don't want any edit conflicts to happen! --Ferien (talk) 18:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey feel free to move it. I was following the instructions as I am just working on a mock up and don't want it in the mainstream. PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

oh ok, I'll move it now. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

No worries! I am just playing around with it to get used to creating them and templates. Thanks again! PotsdamLamb (talk) 19:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Twinkle is a gadget on English Wikipedia. It can help with maintenance and patrolling. It can now be used on other wikis. You can get Twinkle on your wiki using the twinkle-starter GitHub repository.

Problems

• The content translation tool did not work for many articles for a little while. This was because of a bug. [36]
• Some things will not work for about a minute on 5 May. This will happen around 06:00 UTC. This will affect the content translation tool and notifications among other things. This is because of an upgrade to avoid crashes. [37]

Changes later this week

• Reference Previews will become a default feature on a number of wikis on 5 May. This is later than planned because of some changes. You can use it without using Page Previews if you want to. The earlier plan was to have the preference to use both or none. [38][39]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 May. It will be on all wikis from 6 May (calendar).

Future changes

• The CSS classes .error, .warning and .success do not work for mobile readers if they have not been specifically defined on your wiki. From June they will not work for desktop readers. This can affect gadgets and templates. The classes can be defined in MediaWiki:Common.css or template styles instead. [40]

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15:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

That RfD for Wikipedia talk:Simple talk

Just so you know, that page is not an archive. It is a page for discussing Wikipedia:Simple talk. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:51, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Oh my bad - I thought it was since there were no edits for quite a few years so I assumed (should have looked) to see if it is on the simple talk page :) Apologies again PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For your outstanding service in technical work, especially for link repairing, you deserve the da Vinci Barnstar. Haoreima (talk) 06:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 14:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Reporting

Hi there. I noticed you reported someone to WP:VIP but they are a sock of some spammer. I reported it to stewards. Darubrub (Let me know) 17:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks I noticed that, however, the articles getting attacked are coming from numerous areas so I am working on tagging them all then CU them. PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Ugh

I was just about to add some questions!

Thank you for volunteering though, maybe you can be a good admin in the future. Best regards, :) --Ferien (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry :( PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:29, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

No issues, I was just getting started with the questions. It would have been much more annoying if I was just about to sign off and you withdrew, lol --Ferien (talk) 15:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

LOL :) PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

RfA Notice

I have withdrawn as two administrators opposed with valid reasons. I feel I should try again after some time.

	PotsdamLamb is currently being considered for adminship. To see the discussion and give your opinion, please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PotsdamLamb.

PotsdamLamb (talk) 09:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

To be clear, two people (who happen to be administrators, but whose votes there count no more than anyone else's) opposed your nomination. No one requested that you withdraw. --Auntof6 (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: I understand, however, if two active administrators say they oppose, then that tells me I need to work some more on what they brought up. That is why I withdrew. I will update my statement above. I still would like rollback though. PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I didn't emphasize enough that the fact that the people who commented are admins doesn't make their comments more important than if non-admins had said the same things. Such comments aren't made in people's capacity as admins. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Thank you for that. I did get the emphasis you made, however, this is a small wiki with very few regulars and I already admitted I didn’t know all the rules so I agree with you I need to learn, I do not agree however, with what Djsasso said as I have had very few of my things reverted and those were misunderstandings of where they got placed. I do need to create some articles as well to show what I can do so any comments are not taken lightly and like I said I agree and I will try again in a few months when I have more than just changes under my belt. I did ask you on the RfA if you could point out some examples of what you were talking about so if you can do that here so I learn that would be appreciated. PotsdamLamb (talk) 04:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I will do that when I can. My eyes have a little trouble with certain types of things online, and looking at a mass of text as is on VIP is one of them. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:57, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

I feel you! Our old ages lol! PotsdamLamb (talk) 08:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Auntof6 (talk) 09:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done @Auntof6: I saw it but I’m in bed (0243) here. I’ll resolve them later today. Thanks for the answers! PotsdamLamb (talk) 09:45, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-19

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 May. It will be on all wikis from 13 May (calendar).

Future changes

• You can see what participants plan to work on at the online Wikimedia hackathon 22–23 May.

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15:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Sandboxes?

Hello PotsdamLamb,

Yes the pages under my user-id can be deleted - they were just sandboxes. I don't do much here so am not sure:

1) Can't we make our own sandboxes here?

2) Do you know how I could delete pages under my own user-id?

Have a nice day

Chidgk1 (talk) 17:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Chidgk1: you can create your own sandbox at User:Chidgk1/sandbox. If you want to delete a sandbox you created in your userspace just add {{qd|u1}} --Ferien (talk) 17:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

They should be listed as such or put some statement on them so they don't get flagged. If not, it comes up on the vandalism side and when I see the user name with a bunch of misspellings or just a copyright infringement (like yours where you copied everything from English Wikipedia), then it gets a QD. I have a subpage called 'Drafts' and under that I create my pages to work on. PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Template:BLP IMDb refimprove

An editor has requested deletion of Template:BLP IMDb refimprove, an article you created. We appreciate your changes, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").

Please comment on the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2022/Template:BLP IMDb refimprove and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also change the article during the discussion to address the nominator's concerns. But you should not remove the requests for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you very much. Auntof6 (talk) 08:37, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Oversized stub categories

Here is a query for Oversized stub categories >= 5 pages. The "Download data" link provides several formats. Re {{Multistub}}: According to the description, it is designed to only show one stub. Don't use the template if you want all of the stubs to be displayed. Bamyers99 (talk) 20:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bamyers99 - You are awesome! So how do I add that to my dashboard-let? I have this https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PotsdamLamb/Dashboard and I have https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PotsdamLamb/Dashboard/data. Also, is there a way to link to that data to see which articles have that stub? ie. Food shows 5 pages using it so I wanted to find the 5 articles by just clicking on the stub name. PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 20:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bamyers99 Now you are beyond awesome! Thank you so much! PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 20:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

I have updated your data page with the Wikitable download format from the query. A page is 200 articles. --Bamyers99 (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bamyers99 Thanks! Two more questions

1. Does this autoupdate and how often? If I have to do it manually, can you let me know how?
2. Would it be possible to also pull a list of all articles that have no stub on them so we can go through and see if they actually need stubs?

Thanks, PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 20:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Manual update. The Download data button Wikitable format link will save the data to your web browser downloads folder. Open that file up with your favorite text file viewer and copy and paste it into you data page. Here is a rudimentary search for non-stubs. --Bamyers99 (talk) 20:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bamyers99 I do not see this on either of the two pages, The Download data button Wikitable format link PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 21:06, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Add this link where ever you want. --Bamyers99 (talk) 21:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Bamyers99 Awesome! That is what I needed. Thank you so much! I appreciate your assistance in helping me get this set up. You are an amazing person! PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 21:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Bamyers99 You haven't done much work here, so you might not know that this wiki manages stubs differently than other Wikipedias. We try to keep the number of stub types/categories to a minimum; as a result it's not unusual to have stub categories with a lot of articles. The fact that a category has a lot of stubs in it is not seen as a problem. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Auntof6 While I appreciate your feedback this is for my knowledge of things so I can work on articles and work on getting them out of stub status as time goes on. All the editor was doing was helping me set up my subpage dashboard to show me the data (same as enWP with a lot more stubs). PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 21:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

CS1: Julian–Gregorian uncertainty

Hi! I'm trying to figure out why this error shows up. If it really happens for any date between 1582 and 1926, then why doesn't it show up on other articles, for example Andrew Jackson? Lights and freedom (talk) 05:51, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom So that part I’m still working on figuring out. If you look at Assassination of Abraham Lincoln that one is in the CAT. I need to decipher through the code. I just emptied out a whole slew of pages (150 and 5 left) that were in a error category like this too. I just need to figure out where it is pulling that from. It could be a citation, a harv, a date on an image file. I just have to test on an article and see what happens then test on a few others. It’s a process to say the least. PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 06:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I found it. It's from the date on a reference (in this case "cite journal" template). I can tell because when I made this edit, it went away. But I'm not sure how to fix it without changing the date. Lights and freedom (talk) 06:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom I read some of the issues with it. My best suggestion right now is to ignore it based on the issues I read. I’ll let you know when I finish then see if anything was changed in the LUA modules for it. PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 06:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

That's all right with me. I don't even know what Lua is, LOL. Lights and freedom (talk) 06:48, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom So the LUA modules are specific coding to a larger template in order to make them work. So like translating an article uses an LUA, some of our regular templates include an LUA and if the LUA doesn’t work, then neither does anything attached to it. It is a programming language so if you want to learn more about it you can visit https://www.lua.org/ PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 06:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Question

Hello again, I've got a question regarding Notability on this Wiki compared to the main wiki. I had often gone on special:short pages and special:New pages on the main English Wiki and now I did that here and I found Big Bend (Texas) and East Texas and the fact is these articles would undoubtedly get deleted or redirected on enWP but I wasn't sure about if the notability guidelines are different here, but after reading it, it all seems to be the same, so should these be deleted for not giving sufficient coverage and being too short or not? N1TH Music (talk) 18:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@N1TH Music Notability does not apply to places, states, etc. PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 18:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

We usually apply notability to BLPs etc too. Those articles can be expanded. PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 18:31, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Wait what are BLPs?N1TH Music (talk) 18:34, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

So to clarify, this unsourced article with precisely 10 words is considered ok? N1TH Music (talk) 18:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

@N1TH Music Yes and for BLP re WP:BLP PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 18:36, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok, so Biographies of Living People and Geographic Locations can easily be expanded and thus they don't need to be a certain length or have sources, but everything else does right? N1TH Music (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

No all BLPs must have sources. Geographical articles that short typically do not, but as they get expanded they should have references. ALL BLPs MUST have references. PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 18:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, yeah I was asking because your wording made it seem a little ambiguous to me whether you meant what you just said or what I just wrote. I've just got a couple more quick questions (sorry I'm asking so much but unlike what I did on enWiki I want to ask questions before I screw up) So what about article about mythological people, should Alakshmi be deleted? Should Misnomer and Palm Court be deleted as they are nothing more than definitions and therefore belong on Wikitionary. And finally I need to clarify that the no sources thing applies exclusively to places and nothing else? N1TH Music (talk) 18:47, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

It is very rare we delete anything on here. Since Alakshmi is a religion stub, no. Misnomer is now deleted, Palm Court just needs to be expanded. Ok every article needs to have sources, the most important ones are BLPs and we, like enWP, are strict on those. If other articles have no sources, then feel free to find some if you want but we are not going to delete them. Right now, as I suggested earlier, I recommend you go through WP:Simple Start and click on the links and read about things. That should help you understand a lot more instead of diving right in. This will let you understand more about how we work here. PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 18:59, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Great, all this information was helpful, but now I'm curious as to when to draftify or redirect an article if deletion is so rare. N1TH Music (talk) 19:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @N1TH Music: Hi there. This Wikipedia doesn't have a draft system like English Wikipedia ("enwiki") does. You'll find that a lot of things here are done differently. If you'd like to read about some of them, you can look at this unofficial list that I maintain. That list is not policy or guideline, but it does link to some relevant policies and guidelines. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask on my talk page. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:21, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

RedWarn

Hello! I noticed you installed RedWarn on your common.js and also added RedWarnconfig.js. I was wondering whether these two scripts worked for you here, as I have just added them to mine and RedWarn is not showing up for me. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 21:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Redwarn is specifically for English Wikipedia. -Djsasso (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso and Belwine: Yeah I figured that out. Thanks PotsdamLamb (talk) 19:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok, thanks Djsasso --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 19:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, PotsdamLamb. You have new messages at Belwine's talk page.
Message added 21:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

let me know if you don't want talkback in future Belwine • 💬 • 📜 21:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Revert

I reverted your edit at deletion review. They didn't edit a template, they brought a page to deletion review. I'm not sure what you meant by that in any case, because anyone can edit templates anyway. Best, --IWI (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I posted on yours at the same time. Sorry PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

RfD warn template

Hello. You probably realised there is no rfd template in Twinkle (yet), but there is a template for it: {{subst:uw-rfd}} if you want to use it for future - RfD templates keep on getting removed on that page, so I won't be surprised if you'll need it. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 20:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: - Hey Bel = So are you saying to change the template then to the substitute in twinkle? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

No, unfortunately you just have to add it to the user talk page. There was a request for the Rfd warn to be added into Twinkle but it hasn't been added in yet, I'll see if I can request again... Thanks, Belwine • 💬 • 📜 20:55, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok! Let me know when you post it and provide me a link and I will second the addition! PotsdamLamb (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

I've posted the request but the page seems to be pretty quiet... it's been requested twice now, see here for first request --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 21:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

QD

Hi, I'm TTP1233, I checked that you made QD of a user page of a user under U2. But let me know that use has some contributions on both wikis. But your more details info is true. I'm sorry but we have to revert it because it doesn't qualify U2. Thank you.DJRC (talk) 16:34, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@TTP1233: Why does your signature not match your user name? PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I changed my sign on my preference (my setting). You can also do this in here.DJRC (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

While it is not forbidden to do so, it is encouraged that people do not have signatures that don't match their username as it can make it confusing for people matching signatures to who it is. Especially since the edit history of a talk page will have a different name than the signature. -Djsasso (talk) 16:56, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, they have no contributions to either wiki. Thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Its ook. I saw all in Belwine's talk page. Apologise anyways!.DJRC (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thoughts?

Belwine - What are your thoughts on this page? A crapload of references but only 2 sentences in the entire article?

Ethiopian Empire

Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC) (AKA Chuck)

Yeah, that's exactly what I think. It's got loads of references, but it's really short and there are no inline citations. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 19:30, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: what do you think we need to do with this? I’m no expert in that area. Should I tag it for expert needed? PotsdamLamb (talk) 19:34, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I'd think that'd be the best idea. I'm not an expert in that area, but I might expand it tomorrow. Thanks, --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 19:36, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

QD of User:Captain MarcusL

Just want to note that the picture on the right were all from Commons and the user can use them if they want. They weren't copyrighted photos from another website. --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 17:23, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that is not true. I think someone skirted CR. The current logo is from 2002 until current [41]. It was not created in 1962 as the picture states [42]. PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

However, they are on the Commons, so if there are copyright issues, the images have to be removed from there. --Belwine • 💬 • 📜 17:31, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I do not have access to do that on that page. PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: - What are your thoughts on this? The partial here and the partial on the users talk page. Thanks for your input. --PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

The pictures are not an issue, the logo in particular is on commons because it can't be copywritten as it is just geometric shapes and letters. Go to the commons page and it explains it better. -Djsasso (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: That’s just the logo but the information on the logo is incorrect (like 1922 or something). What about the sports figure info box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PotsdamLamb (talk • contribs)

I think the date being used is for the first iteration of the logo. The logo as of 2002 is just a minor alteration of the original logo. Either way it doesn't affect why it is on commons, it would be on commons with either date. The sports figure infobox is fine as well. You can have pretty much whatever on your userpage unless it was an attack or spam or something along those lines. -Djsasso (talk) 12:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

okies, thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Talk page protected...

Hello PotsdamLamb, I have semi-protected your talk page for three months. This means that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. Since the talk page is the way to communicate with you, i have limited this protection to three months. If vandalism still is a problem after that time, feel free to re-apply for TP protection. --Eptalon (talk) 08:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: Thanks! Much appreciated. PotsdamLamb (talk) 08:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Questions

Ok @Belwine: - Two questions for you.

• If I wanted to hit the requests for articles and bring one over from en and I wanted to put it in draft first, would I just create a subpage under my account title "Draft:Example" so it does not get into the main space until I complete it for simple?
• When that is done since I have never done a page move, how can I move it from Draft to mainspace?

Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello. If you want to create an article as a draft, you'd have to do it at User:PotsdamLamb/PAGE (PAGE being the page you want to create), as we don't have a Draft: space here. Once you've finished making your article, go to "More" and then press "Move". If you have any issues with that, then you can just go directly to simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MovePage/User:PotsdamLamb/PAGE to move the page. Thanks, Belwine (talk) 20:24, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks. PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Why is your signature here different than everywhere else? AKA see QD of User above :) Is your keyboard having a case of the Mondays on Friday? lol PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

No, I just changed it, as I had a discussion on Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2021/QueerSportSplit about my signature. I might use some sort of variation of the old one in the future, with a different colour in the background and no emojis but for now, I'll just be using this one. —Belwine (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh OK :) PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:51, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Facts Only Articles

Hey @Belwine: - So looking at articles needed, I have come across numerous "Football at the ???? Summer Olympics" (???? = given year) When I look at en, it is all facts and grids. How can this be translated without just a C/P to simple? Here is one such example. Thanks --PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. These tables could be copied from the English Wikipedia, and the summary could be simplified. You can just say in the change summary "tables copied from enwiki" or something similar. Thanks, --Belwine (talk) 18:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks Belwine! I also wanted to let you know I made a line change to the anti-vandalism top icon (I see you have the old one) If you use {{top icon| imagename = Symbol oppose vote.svg|title=This user is a member of the Wikiproject Anti-Vandalism|link=user:runningblader/Wikiproject Anti-Vandalism}} it will prevent it from covering your other top icons. PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I've changed the template so it's like that now. You can just use {{User:Runningblader/Vand}} Belwine (talk) 18:24, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! I have not gotten into templates yet. I know how to fix broken ones, but that is about it (i.e. they are missing a parameter or data) lol. PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not amazing at templates yet. For that User:Runningblader/Vand, I just copied a little from Template:rollbacker. --Belwine (talk) 18:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

One Long List

So there is an article I came across while checking for the {{reflist}} and it has over 1800 citations of which some come up in the article as just the template and a lot of them are duplicates. Want to help me tackle this? What do you think would be the best way to do this?

Article: List of sequenced animal genomes

Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. This article seems to have been copied from enwiki, but something must have happened with the citations - they suddenly go up to 1000. Compared to the English Wikipedia, this article has a few additions, but the language is complicated. IMO, the article could be deleted under QD A3. Thanks, Belwine (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Future reference, this wasn't remotely a valid QD A3. Just being copied from en.wiki is not an A3. And scientific names are not considered complex here, they are the epitome of simple as their ability to be recognized across language is the reason they are used. As such I restored the article. Not 100% sure where Mac got all the added information from as it is much bigger than the en version. I have shrunk it down to the en version for now. In the future working with the author of the page might work better. -Djsasso (talk) 13:40, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Question for editors

@Djsasso and Belwine: - I am looking to understand how such an item is considered an encyclopedic article: Blowing a raspberry. Thank for any input. PotsdamLamb (talk) 16:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Anything that is written about in reliable sources is notable and therefore encyclopedic. Blowing raspberries is a very well known phenomenon. -Djsasso (talk) 17:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Phenomenon huh? I like how that’s categorized. Thanks DJ PotsdamLamb (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Not sure what to call it

@Djsasso and Belwine: - In the article Sevilla F.C. under the near end there is a table but it is inside a frame. The section is Sevilla_F.C.#Former_position. I have never seen this in any article. Should this be fixed somehow?

Thanks PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:35, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Others Sandboxes

Hey @Eptalon: - Why would other users edit someones else's sandbox and not their own as seen here? PotsdamLamb (talk) 22:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

That edit occurs within a "complex" section, so simply updating there, before copying somewhere? - Other option, the two might be working on something together? --Eptalon (talk) 22:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Gotcha! Thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Formatting

@Belwine: - I am trying to clean up the format between sections 2, 3, and 4. So that 3 and 4 are below 3. I forgot the code. Article is Vouziers. PotsdamLamb (talk) 23:34, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

oh, do you want the population graph to just have its own section? Just do {{clear left}}. Also, I removed the coat of arms picture as the coat of arms was already in the infobox. Thanks, Belwine (talk) 10:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

IRC chat

Hi! Do you have some time to chat on IRC? Vermont (talk) 22:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done PotsdamLamb (talk) 22:37, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

query

• Hi! What's a military police? --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 22:45, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
• (talk page stalker) In many countries, the military has a specialized police force only for people in the military. see en:Military police. This is ofc only for things inside the military (which are often not open to the public). In most countries, the military is also accountable to the normal police. A soldier in a traffic accident will be tried much the same as any other person in a traffic accident, most of the time. --Eptalon (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  LOL Thanks Eptalon, I was typing something out, but that works too :) PotsdamLamb (talk) 22:54, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: That’s pretty much spot on. As military police (what we are called in the US Army and National guard (various names are used for example in the US Navy they are called Sentries, the US Marine Corp calls them Marine Corp Police). We have various positions we can be in which is typically what you will find in a big cities police department. Dog handlers, forensics, investigators, patrol, protection for the command staff and their facilities and the commanders residence on base, prisoners (on US soil and handling POW, etc. We are also the highest visible within the military due to the fact we are the first group and the last group the public sees when entering and exiting bases. There are occasions where we do have jurisdiction outside of the military base and it’s usually overseas to keep the soldiers out of the local polices hands by patrolling bars and other places soldiers go and we can apprehend them and bring them back to base and put them in a cell overnight for being drunk. Typically no regular police in the US have any authority on a military base. If they have a warrant for a soldier they have to give it to our bases Provost Marshal and then we execute it and turn the soldier over to the PM and they in turn will transport them off base to the police station. There is a lot more to what we do and who we are but that will be a lot of typing. Thanks for asking! PotsdamLamb (talk) 02:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that sounds interesting! Thanks for teaching me something new today! In Canada we have a RCMP force, basically, it's one Police Force for all of Canada, if the city is too small to fund their own police department, I'm not sure about what police the Canadian Army has though. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: Here ya go en:Canadian Forces Military Police. That should help you. PotsdamLamb (talk) 03:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 03:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Copyright Issues

Hey @Djsasso, Belwine, and ShadowBallX: - I was just looking at a few articles created by Wikky21. The user was created on February 11, 2021 (so 8 days ago). They seem to be ignoring messages posted on their talk, but more importantly, when I compared some of their articles to the EWP, they are an almost exact match with the exception they left something out like the players' position (i.e. Maho Shimizu vs. en:Maho Shimizu, other than that verbatim on almost all of the articles. The talk page for a majority also says they are being translated from the English Wikipedia (see talk page of the previous example). That is not a translation. A translation to me would from one language to another. I have also noticed some are being brought over with just minimal information compared to those on EWP with a lot more. (i.e. Tegevajaro Miyazaki vs. en:Tegevajaro Miyazaki). In 8 days, they have racked up over 1440 edits of which a majority are new pages and red-linked templates and cats. What are your thoughts? Thanks, PotsdamLamb (talk) 04:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

As long as they are leaving attribution, they are fine to copy articles from the English Wikipedia. These articles seem relatively simple as well, so I think copying is ok for these. —Belwine (talk) 10:04, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: some they are not leaving attribution and I posted a notice about spelling, grammar, etc. Sasso left a note about red cats and the user is still doing it hours after the notice. They are also leaving valuable info out to make it look like they changed it but tables, especially on all these sports articles should be copied over as they are and when that was done they would leave a single line out. I feel like this editor is going for quantity vs quality especially in eight days plus we have to go back and correct all of them and some are not stubs if they bring over the entire page including table then give credit to EN. Saying it translated from the EWP is not how I thought we gave attribute as it’s not being translated in any way, just a c/p. PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:24, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Let's see what their next few articles are like. I remember looking through the articles a few days ago and being quite happy with them, so let's see how these next few articles are. —Belwine (talk) 10:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I gave two examples above of simple vs EWP which shows what was done. Look at the Maho one from above as well as the other link. You should be able to see what I’m seeing if you read through them with incorrect grammar and such. It’s going to be a big headache for us to clean up all of these partial articles. PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I am quite happy with this article they created. Sure, it is a copy from enwiki, but IMO, it is better than most Japanese footballer articles we have right now. A lot of these Japanese footballer articles are single sentence stubs, but these are longer and still quite simple. —Belwine (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I will say it does look good, but hard read without the proper grammar in it. I barely see the, of, etc. in that article “ She played for Japan national team” should read “She plays for the....” or “She played for the...” The biography has a few grammatical errors in it to. So I guess my point is if you leave out the facts and do not correct the grammar and continue to introduce red linked categories, then someone has to go back through all of them, copy the tables over to complete the articles and do all the other work. They are copying over sentences not grammatically correct and not fixing them aka as garbage in, garbage out 🤔🥱😴 PotsdamLamb (talk) 10:55, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

• Sorry wanted to add as to why there are no references coming over on these especially since they are BLPs like this one Belwine where you removed the empty reference heading. Keita Kasahara. I thought all BLPs needed references? So again what I’m seeing is someone going for quantity not quality. Ok now I’m off to bed. PotsdamLamb (talk) 11:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

  The ones I linked to are ones that were made years ago by other users. See you later. —Belwine (talk) 11:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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Hello there, we are talking about (Japanese?) sports players, or sports clubs: If they copy from EnWp (or translate form JaWP,...) and they leave attribution they are fine. If it's only some basic stuff, they are probably fine too, because in many countries, copyright needs a certain "height of invention". Also, this wiki is direly lacking content, so when someone find the stamina to create a few pages on sportspeople or clubs, and that these pages are reasonably simple, then we probably shouldn't keep them from doing so. And if like in this case, the pages are reasonably simple to understand, I don't really see a problem. --Eptalon (talk) 11:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: so three questions/statements:

1. Not all of the articles they moved are given the appropriate attribution. It is about 50/50.
2. A lot of these are lacking words that are throwing off the grammatical structure. (i.e. "is a member Japan ...")
3. Is it adequate to say "This was article was translated from the EN wiki"? Would that qualify as attribution, or should it be tagged with something else? PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

This is Simple English Wikipedia; while most people here are proficient at English, some are learning it, and are not as good yet. Also note, that many Asiatic languages have a grammars that are noticeably different from the English one. The person tried to do an attribution, and we can see what the target seems to have been. DOn't get picky on language issues, especially on people whose language isn't English.--Eptalon (talk) 19:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: - Ok, that's no issue. I will have to take some time and go through and fix them. What about #3 above? So I see {{translated page|es|Escepticismo filosófico|version=51708082}} but should that be used on the pages from English WP? Do we have a different template that can be used if it is copied over from EN? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

There are the templates {{Enwp based}}, and {{Based on}} which could also be used. As I remember, I mostly used the first...--Eptalon (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: - Ok. That makes more sense to me as we really are not translating articles from EN, just copying them over. Would we be able to maybe update this page Wikipedia:How_to_copy_from_another_Wikipedia and add that as a step maybe stating "If copying from the English Wikipedia, please use {{Enwp based}} since there is no translating of the same language? Should I maybe start a conversation somewhere for all to read and post their comments? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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Again, its not a general rule: Some articles are "easy enough to understand", and don't ned further simplification, others do need to be simplified. Using the rules such as "one idea per sentence" or "phrasal verbs are false friends" is always helpful. I know, this may be difficult to understand to a native speaker. --Eptalon (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: I was not talking about the articles and the words within. I was talking about the appropriate attribution that came from the ENWP and to use the template enwp instead of the translate one. In the steps required on how to copy it says to put it in an edit summary, I have seen guidelines that say put the translate on the talk page. However, if it is coming from ENWP, should it not be enwp for those coming from ENWP vs translated from (insert language here) for those coming say from the Russian WP? PotsdamLamb (talk) 20:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter. Personally, I'd go with the template on the talk page, rather than the note in the edit summary. But think ahead: trake an article that's edited a few times a year: In 2-3 years it will have become noticably different, and few peole will be interested in what was the base version. But again: if you find an appropriate template, that attributes, that's fine too. --Eptalon (talk) 21:23, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@Eptalon: Ok thanks. I see what you are saying. I was just thinking about how things are done and somethings I feel need to have the proper attribution, especially when BLP is involved. Thanks for the conversation. PotsdamLamb (talk) 21:26, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

We are translating, we are translating from complex english to simple english. Something you might be a bit unfamiliar with being relatively new here is that we treat Simple English as a completely different language in Wikipedia terms. The translating template is the correct one to use, you can use either, but every so often I convert them over to the translated page one if one of the other ones are used. Something else to remember is that if the article is a single sentence that just states a fact it does not meet the threshold of originality for copyright, thus does not need to be attributed. Another thing to keep in mind is that because we have a much smaller editor base we are a lot more forgiving on the quality of articles when they are first created than en.wiki is because we need the help more than a wiki with many editors. It is one of the reasons we don't throw cleanup tags as much on articles as they do on en.wiki because often adding the tag is worse than the issue that was on the page already. -Djsasso (talk) 12:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: Thanks for that. One last question. Should all articles have at least one reference (or more depending on the length as enwiki)? PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:10, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

That is the ideal, but they aren't required to have references immediately. References need to exist per WP:N but they don't have to be on the article immediately. See WP:BEFORE "D3" for an explanation. -Djsasso (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: So basically give it a day or two before I do anything? What if a very short article is made by someone who immediately got banned for whatever reason and they only did a one-liner like "Washington DC is the capital of the US." (although not simple English)? FYI so you know these questions are to help me understand things on this wiki so I can start doing some articles. PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Well no, what I am saying is it is not valid to delete articles just because they don't have references on the page. The vast majority of our articles won't have references on them. That isn't to say they can't be deleted if you look and find there can be no sources found anywhere in that case they likely fail WP:N. The one liner you mention would be a perfectly fine stub. If I came across that article I would probably just add categories and a stub tag. Might pull over an infobox or something from en.wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Djsasso: Ok that works and I understand you. Thank you for the advice/heads-up/notice :) Want to go to work for me? hehe PotsdamLamb (talk) 15:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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In short: if you see a way that you think is viable, just be bold...--Eptalon (talk) 21:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)