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Newspapers by language...

Hello, I just added the categories Spanish-language newspapers, and German-language newspapers. What would be interesting, is to add newspapers from outside Spain, or Austria/Switzerland/Germany. The better part of South and Central America is Spanish-speaking, Are there any that we could add that are published in the US? Eptalon (talk) 09:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Relevant? From English-wiki: List of Spanish-language newspapers published in the United States [1], :Category:Spanish-language newspapers published in the United States [2]. 2001:2020:32B:AD46:7CD3:15BF:1C1:E573 (talk) 18:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@Eptalon I added some Spanish newspapers to that category (articles that already existed here). The bigger problem is with the English-language newspapers category. If we add all the American, British, Canadian, Australian, etc. newspapers, then it will have hundreds of pages. Lights and freedom (talk) 22:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Thats a smaller problem though: When you feel you get three pages together, you create a subcategory: There are 3-4 such newspapers in Egypt, 7 or so in Namibia, likely a few in South Africa.... Eptalon (talk) 22:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

@Eptalon It looks like all the pages in Category:Newspapers in the United States, except for Biełarus, are in English. Should they go in Category:English-language newspapers in the United States? Lights and freedom (talk) 23:01, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Logically, probably so (recently had the same problem with Canadian ones). but I'd expec most of them to be English-language. Think about the US. poulation: I'd expect to see quite a few spanish ones, perhaps 1-2 German ones. But suppose the Chinese Community of $BIG_CIY wanted a Chinese newspaper, we'd stick that into newspapers in the U.S: along all the others (presumably English ones). Is it worthwhile to have Newspapers in the U.S., ith say 2 French ones, 2 german ones, a chinese-language, a Russian-language one, and two large cateogries for all the English ones, and Spanish ones? Eptalon (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

• Please consider (in addition), making a template such as, "Template:Foreign-language newspapers in the United States". (The point is: if there exists one relevant template, then it is easy to copy and change that template, for other countries.)--Personally, I hardly ever do work regarding categories - but I do a lot of template-work, on Simple-wiki. 2001:2020:303:5EC4:2468:C2A9:7:5B85 (talk) 20:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Presentation on SEWP at the Korea TESOL Conference and what I learned

Last weekend I gave a presentation on SEWP for educators at the KOTESOL Conference in Seoul. It was a two-hour poster presentation and quite a few English as a second or foreign language teachers stopped by to learn about Simple. As expected, most of them were unaware of SEWP. Many of them seemed to become interested. More importantly, none of teachers who had used Simple had ever edited. Some were, as usual, still unclear that really anyone could edit. More importantly, several of those who were aware of Simple thought it was part of the main English Wikipedia. The potential obstacles to editing on EnWP are pretty well-known, so this put people off. When I made clear that Simple was separate and had its own smaller group of welcoming admins and editors they seemed much more interested. Also, they had not noticed the Schools Gateway. Maybe that can be more prominent somehow? I wonder if there is a way to make it clear that this wikipedia is not run by EnWP? (If anyone thinks that would be helpful.) I can send or link to the abstract, but I thought self-linking here was not the way to go. Thanks, --Gotanda (talk) 02:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• What is Schools Gateway? Kdammers (talk) 15:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you for making my point so perfectly. It is linked in the box at the top center of the Main Page. But, it does not get noticed. Perhaps people are more intent on the search box and miss the other text in that block. --Gotanda (talk) 08:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, the schools gateway page should be made more prominent. I have seen student editors making drafts on the article space when they are clearly not ready. Right now, it's one of the top links of the main page. On average it receives 21 views per day.

  A technical solution would be to place an editnotice for anonymous users who are editing through a school IP, but that might require blocking the school IP ranges. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 02:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

  It may need some visual separation. There is just a lot of text under the search box. Using the small chalkboard from inside the gateway in between to separate "How to write Simple English pages · Useful pages · Simple talk · Categories · Help" and "Schools Gateway (for users who want to make changes from a school)"

  Also, suggest a small edit:

  Schools Gateway (for users who want to make changes from a school)

  Schools Gateway (for students and teachers who want to make changes from a school)

  Thanks, --Gotanda (talk) 07:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Neeeeeeat. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Gotanda, this is really interesting! Just curious, would you be interested in writing a short post on Diff about your experience presenting about SWEP, and the conference? Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 01:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, @Vermont! Need to find a little time, but yes. --Gotanda (talk) 02:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit notices

Would it help to make edit notices for "{{Use British English}}" and "{{Use American English}}" (maybe for the other varieties too), to stop people from changing the spelling unnecessarily? Lights and freedom (talk) 18:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you mean changing the spelling in articles? Edit notices for the templates wouldn't help that, because those notices would appear when the templates themselves were edited, not when something using them is edited. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, changing the spelling in articles. I thought there might be some way to have an edit notice appear in all articles that use one of those templates. Lights and freedom (talk) 22:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom You can, two options:

• Create an editnotice for each page. See Template:Editnotices/Page/Commonwealth_of_Nations and en:Template:Editnotices/Page/Commonwealth_of_Nations. This is how the English Wikipedia does it.
• Change MediaWiki:Common.js so that an editnotice appears for articles belonging to a certain category. This is how the BLP editnotice works. See lines 300-328.

— *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 09:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I think the second option would be a good idea. What do other people think? Lights and freedom (talk) 21:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Feel like the second option is the better option. FusionSub (talk) 10:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Typik

i transits in English to Hindi 27.60.79.243 (talk) 08:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

One has wikipedia-articles (in 5 languages), while the other "no languages"

• Natalya Tolstaya (Writer) or Natalya Tolstaya: no other articles. Notability not clear, and article should be deleted.
• </nowiki>Some wikipedia-articles: Natalia Tolstaya</nowiki> (deceased, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Tolstaya). 2001:2020:303:5EC4:7CA1:8BBA:8922:27DD (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, but please put this on WP:RfD, or put the WP:A4. – Angerxiety^! 16:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

There was no RfD at the time, I believe. (Or else, I would have posted there.)--Clarification: there is a famous person with a similar name, than the one about to be deleted.--Sorry that I can not "help" any more in regard to this matter. 2001:2020:303:5EC4:7CA1:8BBA:8922:27DD (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Prophylaxis

This article has been suggested to be split for 10 years now... – Angerxiety^! 14:10, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I didn't see any consensus for it to be split, further it's small article as it is. I believe a consensus need to be achieved first before that can happen, and that can best happen on the talk page for that article. Wekeepwhatwekill  ^Spe_ak!

So, we just remove the template and that's it? That is why I'm asking. – Angerxiety^! 18:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wekeepwhatwekill: Consensus is not needed to split an article. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

all farming req. 2C0F:FE38:2325:788D:1:0:F069:20E1 (talk) 03:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Actually, since there's a disagreement on the article as to whether or not it *should* be split, I would think a consensus need to occur first. Yes, I'm aware there's not rule that says any split must have consensus. I was speaking in terms of this particular article because of the disagreement about that in it's talk pages. Wekeepwhatwekill  ^Spe_ak! 12:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wekeepwhatwekill: I just meant that anyone at any time could go ahead and do the split. Of course, at that point, you can invoke en:Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which is essentially what you're doing, just pre-emptively. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

It's not split in my OED, for what that is worth. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Pharmaceutical companies

Pharmaceutical is a redirect to Drug. Shouldnt our categorisation do the same? Not just in this case, but generally, should categories be simple? Rathfelder (talk) 09:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not really answering your general question, but just see that the word 'drug' is ambiguous, especially to a younger reader. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Illegal drugs are still drugs. But is the principle not that categories should follow the articles? If the article is OK called drugs why is the category not? Rathfelder (talk) 15:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Some companires also make other things than drugs; what about those that make drugs for animals? - Whats the problenm with the world 'pharmaceutical'? - Are there drugs you need a pharmacy for, where a drugstore won'r do? Eptalon (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I cant see how your comments are relevant to my question. These companies may make drugs for animals whether we call them drugs or pharmaceuticals. I think most people would call their products drugs, rather than pharmaceuticals. These products are sold in both pharmacies and drugstores. In many countries there is no distinction between them. Rathfelder (talk) 20:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

New good article: Megadeth

Hello all, I have just promoted Megadeth to Good article. Congratzulations to everyone who contributed. There are no more good articles in the queue... Eptalon (talk) 09:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

\m/ \m/ --Gotanda (talk) 09:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Nick Injo

Is this vandalism? Barbara (talk) 01:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Deleted and creator blocked for evading multiple blocks. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 01:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Barbara (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello

I am new to the Simple English Wikipedia. I come from the English Wikipedia, and I have a few questions about this site. Is this the right place to ask? QuicoleJR (talk) 23:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR Welcome! You can ask your questions here. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 23:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Most of them will be about similarities to the English Wikipedia.

1. Is there a system for merging articles?

2. How does the Good Article and Selected Article system work here?

3. Are there WikiProjects?

QuicoleJR (talk) 23:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR

1. articles can be merged as a result of a requests for deletion (the Simple English Wikipedia's equivalent of the English Wikipedia's deletion venues) or through a talk page discussion
2. Articles are not promoted to GAs through a single-reviewer review process. Instead, the articles are discussed and voted on at WP:GA. Featured articles are called very good articles (WP:VGA). Though VGAs are featured on the main page, like the English Wikipedia, there is no "Today's VGA".
3. Not in an "official" capacity. The Simple English Wikipedia does not use WikiProject talk banners.

— *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 23:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks! QuicoleJR (talk) 23:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I have another question.

4. How does notability work here? It seems to me that anything with an article on the English Wikipedia is fair game, even if the Simple English article has no sources. Is this true?

QuicoleJR (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Fehufanga: Sorry, but two more questions:

5. How do pages get patrolled?

6. How do you add other languages to the "Languages" tab?

QuicoleJR (talk) 00:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR

5. Patrollers patrol and mark pages as patrolled. There's no draft namespace or an AFC system here. IPs are not restricted from creating articles either. The patroller right is granted to those who have experience patrolling pages and have created a decent amount of articles that don't need to be patrolled.

6. If you are using the old vector skin, this can be done with the "Add Links" link. Once you click it, enter the short name of another Wikipedia where the article exists. Usually this will be enwiki for the English Wikipedia. Then, enter the article's title in that Wikipedia. If you are using the new vector skin, this link is called "add interlanguage links", and is somewhere on the right. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 00:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

About that "add interlanguage links" thing: it requires a Wikidata page. How do I attach a Wikidata page to an article? QuicoleJR (talk) 00:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR Does a matching article exist on another Wikipedia? For example, en:Johann Sebastian Bach is matched with simple:Johann Sebastian Bach. If not, you may have to create a new Wikidata item. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 00:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

A matching article exists on three different Wikipedias. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:47, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR: Welcome! Since you're new here, you might like to look at this list I maintain of things that are different here from the way they are on English Wikipedia. The list itself is not a policy or guideline, but it links to some relevant policies and guidelines. If you have any questions about it, leave a message here or on my talk page! -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:23, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Selection of the U4C Building Committee

The next stage in the Universal Code of Conduct process is establishing a Building Committee to create the charter for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C). The Building Committee has been selected. Read about the members and the work ahead on Meta-wiki.

-- UCoC Project Team, 04:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)