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Open proxiesEdit

Hi.

Both 122.155.174.77 and 122.155.174.76 belong to open proxies (NordVPN servers in Thailand).

Yes, I have used both to edit Wikipedia, but I did so to do good. Other people might not.

Please keep my contributions, but please ban those two IP addresses from making any further changes.

Thank you.--122.155.174.77 (talk) 00:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. -Djsasso (talk) 11:51, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
please go to WP:ANI to contact an admin Elytrian (talk) 10:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Was handled almost two weeks ago as per my reply.... -Djsasso (talk) 20:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
{[U|Djsasso}} Question: If I edit with my account in a public IP address, and there's say an autoblock on it, and I get blocked, from the autoblock, would I be unblocked later automatically? --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Djsasso Fixing Ping, see above --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:12, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Autoblocks expire or you can ask to be unblocked should it happen. It is pretty rare that it happens. -Djsasso (talk) 11:27, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Editing news 2021 #2Edit

14:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Main Page/Article 9Edit

It is deleted so I see a redlink in the main page. Darubrub (Let me know) 21:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

(Non-administrator observation) Already being handled at AN and Talk:Main Page :) --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 21:19, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Server switchEdit

SGrabarczuk (WMF) 01:19, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

2 simple questionsEdit

  1. What is the difference between english wikipedia and simple english wikipedia?
  1. What can I do here or what pages can I edit?

My native language is not English, but I might contribute in this wiki someday. Thanks. --About672599 (talk) 15:41, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

My mistake. I thought this page was help desk. Sorry for the inconvenience. --About672599 (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
@About672599 Here is what it's about. And this technically is a help desk. SoyokoAnis - talk 16:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. Have a nice day. --About672599 (talk) 16:06, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox?Edit

I type slow, anyway I could have a sandbox of my own? Thank you very much. Durantnba (talk) 20:17, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Durantnba and welcome to the Simple English Wikipedia! You can create a sandbox by creating a page here: User:Durantnba/Sandbox. If you have any issues creating it then I can create it for you. Regards, --Ferien (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thank you 😊 Durantnba (talk) 20:39, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Durantnba: No problem :) Please let me know if you need any help at all. --Ferien (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
how long is a stub considered? Thanks. Durantnba (talk) 20:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Durantnba: A stub is generally considered an article that is less than 1500 bytes (characters) of prose. --Ferien (talk) 20:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep Me logged inEdit

How do I select this option when I am already logged in? Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:02, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure you can. I tried looking in settings but couldn't find anything. I think the easiest method would be to log out, and then select the option before you log back in, but I'm sure you already knew that. AnApple47 (talk) 06:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Yes! 112358macOS1321 (talk) 14:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
112358macOS1321 How can I do it then? --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
When you logout and login again, you should see a screen that looks like this. Tick the option that reads 'Keep me logged in'. Fixing26 (talk) 18:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
You'll need to log out and in again. Your 1 year session has probably expired, meaning that wikipedia only keeps you logged in for 1 year at max. If you are a newer user or have logged in recently, you can re-login and select the option 'Keep me logged in'. Elytrian (talk) 05:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Many American engineers...Edit

Hello, when I rewrote Mary Jackson today (which was up for QD, as EnWP copypaste), I added her to the category "American engineers". I did see however, that there are about 190 other people in that category. At that size, the category is far too big to be managable, or meaningful. So question to the community: How can we subdivide it? - Note: We don't categorize by gender, or apparent race.--Eptalon (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Maybe it could be divided by state where they're from? Fixing26 (talk) 09:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
By state would be good, and/or by what kind of engineer they are. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:29, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I would go with classifying by specialization before the state...--Eptalon (talk) 09:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I have started classifying; there's a category: American enginers by state, where each state (with engineers) gets one entry. The category itself has two parents: People from <state>, and American enginers by state, with that state as defaultsort. Problem I see though: Many are also scientists from <state>, so we could re-root the American engineers from <state> in Scientists from state, ratheer than people. Problem there: Is every engineer a scientist? - Leaving the community to discuss...--Eptalon (talk) 15:28, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I am through about half the alphabet: So far, 36 categories for states; over 20 have 1-2 entries, so might not make it. --Eptalon (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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Done reoganising by state they are from. When respecting the three-articles-per-category rule, there are now about 40-45 people left in the main category; they are hard to classify, or belong to the less-than-three-engineer states. There are 20 subcategories for states with at least three engineers each.--Eptalon (talk) 21:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
While this one was definitely in the area of being splitable (200 pages is usually my recommendation), something to remember is one of our goals is to have a more simple category system, that often means having much larger categories. Some categories will always been very large which does not make them unusable. Sometimes splitting into many tiny categories is less usable than one big category. Something to keep in mind. -Djsasso (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:American Christians needs looking at...Edit

Just another category I found: there are about 130-140 pages in the main category, and there's a Category for (Roman?) Catholics with over 200 pages. I know that Christianity (esp. the different forms of Protestantism) is popular in the U.S; identifying as Christian (or a subgroup) may also be important for some people; but at these number of pages, I doubt the classification is manageable. --Eptalon (talk) 18:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

There are 128 at the moment. I don't think that's a problem. I suspect that if we checked them for the references that are required for mentioning the religion of a living person, we'd have to remove the category from a number of them. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:49, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
128 is a perfectly acceptable size. Don't forget simple tries to have less categories, which means we have larger categories. -Djsasso (talk) 14:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Addition of new articleEdit

Hi there fellow Wikipedians! I want to create a page for Nemesis as it probably deserves its own page, as it is a sub-brown dwarf, brown dwarf or red dwarf. I think these are considered stars, so I want some feedback and help. I'm open to any suggestions on the topic. Also, I want some parity between the advanced English wiki and this one.Also, yes I am a native English speaker. Elytrian (talk) 10:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The existence of Nemesis is not at all proved. I have to say that I'm not keen to have hypothetical entities on a wiki mostly read by children. There's quite a lot of topics about the Local Group of galaxies -- why not do one of those? There's no future to writing articles where there are no reliable sources to quote, and it's all wishful thinking. From En wiki: "Using newer and more powerful infrared telescope technology which is able to detect brown dwarfs as cool as 150 kelvins out to a distance of 10 light-years from the Sun, the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE survey) has not detected Nemesis". Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:43, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Sure thing! Also, yes I did see the English wiki before reading. Elytrian (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Why not have the article say straight out that it's a hypothetical? We have an article on Bigfoot, don't we? Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
I think its because Nemesis is categorized under Science and Astronomy which needs valid proof all the time due to the nature of the category Elytrian (talk) 04:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Question about categoriesEdit

Is there a difference between Category:Forms of government and Category:Political systems? 50.30.176.22 (talk) 21:12, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, there is. Though it might be a bit vague. Consider Anarchy for example. It is technically a form of government, but there are no Political parties. Political systems refer to the forms of government with politics attached to it. Elytrian (talk) 03:52, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Well, I don't think anarchy is a form of government, nor does En wiki: "Anarchy is a society being freely constituted without authorities or a governing body". Literally, the word means the absence of hierarchy. The examples given in En wiki are not very convincing, leaving one wondering if there has ever been anarchy without societal collapse. Anarchy is surely not the same as civil war (or is it?), and civil war covers most of their examples. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:44, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

orderless mind about the being taken out of "Tree tree rat"Edit

"Tree tree rat" got taken out for having little or no that is but I do not see how that is the example . Ultimate of Ultimate (talk) 21:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Please check wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you want to expand that page, insert the template for under construction. Elytrian (talk) 05:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
The label "tree rat" has been used for about 30 different rodent species (see En wiki). But "Tree tree rat" is meaningless. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Easter egg? Or is wikipedia brokenEdit

If you visit the page: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Minecraft_Gamer_YT and look at the top left wikipedia logo, it starts bouncing all over. Is this intentional or is my wikipedia broken? Elytrian (talk) 04:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

It's intentional, people can modify their user pages (from my understanding) with animations and such. Fixing26 (talk) 15:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


RevertingEdit

Hello. I am an editor who uses a phone to contribute and I see vandalism from time to time, but I don't know how to revert on a phone. Your help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. - IAmSwiz (talk) 02:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Go to the history page if possible. From there you can click the undo button on a version. Otherwise it has to be done manually. Elytrian (talk) 03:05, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Not possible. If the namespace allows visual editor, then you can click on a diff you want to restore, edit using visual edit, then publish with whatever edit summary. Or you could do what I do and request the desktop version to access undo and twinkle on mobile. Darubrub (Let me know) 16:05, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
@IAmSwiz, Darubrub: Actually, you can enable advanced mobile mode by going to your preferences and then you can undo edits :)--Ferien (talk) 16:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Oh thanks! Didn’t realize it also makes navigation easier. :-) Darubrub (Let me know) 16:34, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Byte protection (theorized) for Wikipedia:SandboxEdit

I'd like to see a bot developed that reverts changes on that page over a certain size of bytes, and currently the size of the page is in the millions. A person is spamming large amounts of text in mere seconds, making it so that other users cannot make changes without conflicting, and because of the size, merging isn't much of an option. Open for any feedback. -- Elytrian (talk) 03:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

New WikiProject! (WikiProject Oceans)Edit

Hello world! Or, the small portion of the world that sees this... Anyway, I'm happy to announce the creation of the SimpleWikiProject Oceans! The scope is quite obvious, as implied by the name. I intend to not abandon this project and expand it over time. So, if you are interested, join WikiProject Oceans! Elytrian (contact) 09:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES 1N IT!!!1Edit

Is I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES 1N IT!!!1 a videogame? Alcatel 144895534 (talk) 17:39, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Can you give me a link to this game? Darubrub (Let me know) 17:59, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
See page 171 on Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition 2011. Alcatel 144895534 (talk) 18:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
@Alcatel 144895534: Yep, it seems to be a video game: w:I Made a Game with Zombies in It! (stylised as I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES 1N IT!!!1) --Ferien (talk) 18:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
@Darubrub: @Ferien: I added I MAED A GAM3 W1TH Z0MB1ES 1N IT!!!1 report in delisting section of m:Talk:Title blacklist. Alcatel 144895534 (talk) 14:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Suggest that you add the title to mediawiki:Titlewhitelist Billinghurst (talk) 23:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

ReferencesEdit

I keep seeing articles, whose references have "language=en" or some variant of it. Is it really needed? SEWIKI is English and, as far as I know, there are no tracking categories that track English sources

I also have another question. There are many articles where the reference's date (specifically, the year) has an error, because there is "[last update]" in the parameter setting. Should these be kept, or deleted? Thank you in advance, feel free to ping me :). Etoza (?) 15:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Think it is necessary for now. SEWIKI is not language=en. That's the en-wiki's job. SEWIKI its language=simple I think. And, to be fair, en-wiki is pretty good. I'm not sure for now on your original statement, but that error might be an issue in the future. Elytrian (contact) 03:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I think you misunderstood what I said. I'm talking about references/citations, which are basically never written in simple English. :P Etoza (?) 07:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm new here, but I agree that the =en parameter isn't needed in references. People reading this Wikipedia aren't expecting the references to be in Simple English. --Bangalamania (talk) 14:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Elytrian: FYI, I don't think you'd use language=simple much, because 1) I doubt there are many reliable sources written in simple English and 2) Wikimedia projects use "simple" as the language code for simple English, but it's not an official code. Also, sewiki is the Northerm Sami Wikipedia, not Simple English Wikipedia. Don't feel bad, though, you're not the first to make thst mistake. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The citation templates don't support "simple" as a language code anyways. Etoza (?) 13:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't think language=en is needed. I sometimes remove it when I see it. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The way I see it, the concept of "Simple English" is rare in the wild. It might not only be used on Project Wiki, but if someone writes a source that we'd define as in simple English, and we asked the author what language it was in, he or she would say "English."
I think the "language=en" tags are probably holdovers from translations. I sometimes forget to take out the "es" when I translate from here to es.wiki using a Spanish source. They're harmless to have and harmless to remove. People do whatever makes them happy with them.. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Ferien's RfA was successful..Edit

Hello everyone, Ferien's RfA was successful. There was no opposition, so I promoted him to Admin earlier today. I wish him all the best with his new tools, and hope the community support is as big as it was in the RfA.--Eptalon (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Good luck Ferien! And hi to you to Epalton Elytrian (contact) 03:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Great! All the best of luck to him. Fixing26 (talk) 18:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Good luck, Ferien. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Women South Asia 2021Edit

Wiki Loves Women South Asia is back with the 2021 edition. Join us to minify gender gaps and enrich Wikipedia with more diversity. Happening from 1 September - 30 September, Wiki Loves Women South Asia welcomes the articles created on gender gap theme. This year we will focus on women's empowerment and gender discrimination related topics.

We warmly invite you to help organize or participate in the competition in your community. You can learn more about the scope and the prizes at the project page.

Best wishes,
Wiki Loves Women Team
10:42, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps we could write or expand articles about erased and underexposed female scientists, like Emily Noether, Cecilia Payne, Rosalind Franklin, Anna Selving, Grace Hopper, Matilda Gage, the Matilda Effect and so on. The Smithsonian could be a good source. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: Guess so. I had a different idea, but this is probably better. I was thinking revolutionaries but... ehhh. Also, is there another website that has information like the Smithsonian? Articles need more than one source. -- Elytrian (contact) 08:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Ha ha. I'm sure we can find one or two. Generally, I find the best articles have books in them.
Your mention of revolutionaries springs another idea. Jason Porath (who is not a historian) wrote a book called Rejected Princesses about women who wouldn't make good Disney movies. There were lots of scientists and revolutionaries of all sorts in there, from all over the world. I don't think RP itself would be a reliable source, but Porath cites his own sources very well if I remember. We could easily mine that for scientists, revolutionaries and focus on Asian women all we want. In fact, that's how I learned about Anna Selving Mary Anning: [1] He has more badass drawings too. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
@Darkfrog24: Now I see why WLWSA exists. Look at the red link ratio of women to men in the Matilda effect page, even though its for women! Also, could you help me simplify it? Not very good at that... ~~ Elytrian (contact) 08:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I'll see if I can find time later. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Category:World record holdersEdit

Does Category:World record holders include only people who hold currently the world record? Or does it include people who held previously a record? 50.30.176.26 (talk) 17:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

It seems to be for both. Fixing26 (talk) 23:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 2Edit

Universal Code of Conduct News
Issue 2, July 2021Read the full newsletter


Welcome to the second issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

If you haven’t already, please remember to subscribe here if you would like to be notified about future editions of the newsletter, and also leave your username here if you’d like to be contacted to help with translations in the future.

  • Enforcement Draft Guidelines Review - Initial meetings of the drafting committee have helped to connect and align key topics on enforcement, while highlighting prior research around existing processes and gaps within our movement. (continue reading)
  • Targets of Harassment Research - To support the drafting committee, the Wikimedia Foundation has conducted a research project focused on experiences of harassment on Wikimedia projects. (continue reading)
  • Functionaries’ Consultation - Since June, Functionaries from across the various wikis have been meeting to discuss what the future will look like in a global context with the UCoC. (continue reading)
  • Roundtable Discussions - The UCoC facilitation team once again, hosted another roundtable discussion, this time for Korean-speaking community members and participants of other ESEAP projects to discuss the enforcement of the UCoC. (continue reading)
  • Early Adoption of UCoC by Communities - Since its ratification by the Board in February 2021, situations whereby UCoC is being adopted and applied within the Wikimedia community have grown. (continue reading)
  • New Timeline for the Interim Trust & Safety Case Review Committee - The CRC was originally expected to conclude by July 1. However, with the UCoC now expected to be in development until December, the timeline for the CRC has also changed. (continue reading)
  • Wikimania - The UCoC team is planning to hold a moderated discussion featuring representatives across the movement during Wikimania 2021. It also plans to have a presence at the conference’s Community Village. (continue reading)
  • Diff blogs - Check out the most recent publications about the UCoC on Wikimedia Diff blog. (continue reading)

Thanks for reading - we welcome feedback about this newsletter. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Xeno (WMF):. Where do we go to ask questions like, "How does the UCoC define harassment?" and "Does the UCoC address the issue of abuse of the enforcement system?" I see a lot of focus on making the process more transparent for people who are being harassed, and that's good, but there's no reason not to make the whole thing transparent. Not everyone accused of something on-wiki actually did it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Darkfrog24: The UCoC defines harassment in section 3.3, and section 3.2 covers certain abuses. I am interested in finding ways to discourage such abuse of an enforcement system. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 03:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the links. I will read these sections closely. Overall, I think the new UCoC is a step in the right direction.
The kind of abuse I'm talking about is when people file conduct complaints against someone when the real problem is that they disagree about content. In this case, the complaint is often false. I know someone who was accused of lying, so he provided links to the sources he had quoted, but he was still called a liar and sanctioned. This should have been more than enough to prove he wasn't a liar, even if people still thought he was wrong. The other kind is when multiple users are filed against for doing the same thing (battlegrounding, etc.), but the people who hold one opinion about content are sanctioned and the people who hold the other are not or get much lighter punishments. These are two ways that existing disciplinary systems can be abused to control content. Perhaps they are outside the purview of the new UCoC. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the further explanation and real-wiki examples Darkfrog24, that's helpful. At least two of the key questions in m:UCOC2021 are relevant to this:
  • In what ways should reports be handled to increase confidence from affected users that issues will be addressed responsibly and appropriately? (answers from Meta, EnWp)
  • When private reporting options are used, how should the duty to protect the privacy and sense of safety of reporters be balanced with the need for transparency and accountability? (answers from EnWp)
You may also be interested in the full report of the 2021 April-May consultation that talks about other language projects as well, and was mentioned in the first newsletter issue. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks again. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Requirements for CU/OSEdit

FYI I updated Wikipedia:Criteria for adminship to reflect that the latest m:Access to nonpublic personal data policy does not require users to identify to the foundation, but rather just sign the policy - I hope others consider this a technical update to reflect the latest global policies and not a change in the intention, but posting here so that it can be more widely seen - Special:Diff/7663840 --DannyS712 (talk) 04:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

So admins don't have to disclose their real names and identities? Well done. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

New WikiProject! (WikiProject Agriculture)Edit

Hello world!, I'm happy to announce the creation of the SimpleWikiProject Agriculture! The scope is quite obvious, as implied by the name. I intend to not abandon this project and expand it over time. So, if you are interested, join WikiProject Agriculture!Space chinedu (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

New WikiProject! (WikiProject History)Edit

Hello world!, I'm happy to announce the creation of the SimpleWikiProject History! The scope is quite obvious, as implied by the name. I intend to not abandon this project and expand it over time. So, if you are interested, join WikiProject History!Space chinedu (talk) 05:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I mean, sure. Man, 3 new wikiprojects this week. -- Elytrian (contact) 05:36, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

New WikiProject! (WikiProject Architecture)Edit

Hello world!, I'm happy to announce the creation of the SimpleWikiProject Architecture! The scope is quite obvious, as implied by the name. I intend to not abandon this project and expand it over time. So, if you are interested, join. I also intend to start up other WikiProjects that have been abandoned. So I say to all that see this to start joining a project so together as a team each part of Simple Wikipedia will grow. We are the ones that will make this wikipedia as good as the main one. The WikiProjects also foster unity and togetherness. It's like a community inside a community a club for anyone to join and feel free to express their ideas and together we can grow limitlessly in knowledge. I end this speech with one thing divided we fall but together in a WikiProject and WikiProjects working together we can achieve amazing things. Thank you for reading to the end and I am proud to be a Wikipedian and I will revive all WikiProjects so why don't you try one today. WikiProject History!Space chinedu (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Rename a categoryEdit

I started a conversation here about changing the category "Slaves" to "Enslaved people." Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

WatchlistEdit

Am I blind, or have things changed? I can't see how to add a site to my watchlist, even though I did it frequently in the past. How do i do it?Kdammers (talk) 13:48, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

You scroll to the top of the page and click on the little white star next to "View history." Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. now I remember a discussion a few years back, where I unsuccessfully tried to convince people to use English instead of an icon. how in the world people are supposed to know what a white star means is beyond me. I learned English in school; not Iconish. Expect me back here in a couple years asking the same question about how to put things on my watchlist.Kdammers (talk) 07:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
@Kdammers: I guess it's made to be similar to the bookmark icon in most of the browsers out there. It's the same in English Wikipedia, so I am surprised you are not used to it yet.-BRP ever 07:38, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
@Kdammers: There's another way to do it that's a bit more complicated, but maybe you could remember it better. Edit the page you want to watch, then click the box next to "Watch this page", then save the page without making any changes (unless there are changes you want to make). That will add the page to your watchlist. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Categories about mass murderEdit

Category:Massacres in the United States is similar to Category:Mass murder in the United States. The only difference I know is that massacres in war are not necessarily called mass murder. For example, maybe Penn's Creek Massacre and Lawrence massacre do not belong in mass murder but that should be discussed.

But other than that, what is the difference? There are a lot of mass shootings by American civilians that are in the massacre category. Even Columbine High School massacre. So please define what the difference is, for else it is hard to find articles by looking in a category. 50.30.176.27 (talk) 17:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Some birds don't fly..Edit

...Because they swim, or run fast. Anyway, after a lot of work has been put into the Bird article, I have decided to make it a good article. Congrats to all who contributed, and helped make this happen. --Eptalon (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh hooray. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Neptune promoted...Edit

Hello all, I have taken the liberty, and promoted Neptune to good article, it went a long way since it was proposed for GA. Congratulations to all those who helped. Note: i have removed the template to use the same date format throughout. There are a few different ways to specify dates in English. Requiring that only one is used throughout is a nice to have, but doesn't limit the article in any way....--Eptalon (talk) 10:06, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

So, thank you so much for promotion. I'm going to make the article VGA soon. Are there any rules that says after what time it takes to raise the status of an article? Frontfrog (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
No, to my knoweldge there isn't, but keep in mind this is a small community. Getting articles to GA or VGA status should be a community effort (of the few editors) that take part. We currrenlty have quite a nuber of articles to review..--Eptalon (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
It will be probably next year or at the end of this year. But I will be glad if Macdonald-ross will help me and give me some instructions for improvement. Frontfrog (talk) 21:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Yellow demoted from VGAEdit

Hello, after long discussions (and the article not really changing much any more in the last two months), I have demoted the article Yellow (song) to good article. The main issue (apart form needing an update/completeness, which I can't judge) is that the linked templates have many red-links, and red-links are a no-go for VGAs. Completeness/redlinks are not that much of an issue with good article, so it's a logical step to demote...--Eptalon (talk) 10:11, 24 July 2021 (UTC)