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Athena

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Y The article is about a subject suitable for Wikipedia.
Y The article is fairly complete, with a prose size of 9268 B (1433 words).
Y The article has gone through a few revisions, but not by different editors.
Y The article is filed in the appropriate category.
Y It has at least one interwiki link.
The article is stable with no recent big changes or ongoing change wars.
Y There are no templates indicating that the article needs improvement.
Y Content from books, journal articles, and other publications is properly referenced.

I have done some work on to this article, mainly improving from suggestion from the previous PGA, and some simplifying. I feel lke it deserves another chance.--Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ツ 07:46, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Several problems with the page:

Athena's symbol is the owl, the wisest of the birds. Based on what is it the wisest. This needs clarification.
The intro needs good re-organization or maybe it needs some content addition and reworking. It sounds a bit odd on read.
There are many stories about Athena's birth. But it only describes one, a short context on others maybe a good idea.
As the protector of the safety of kings, Athena became the goddess of good counsel, prudent control and war. 'counsel' and 'prudent' are complex words that might be better simplified.
Titles and patronages barely talks about titles.

I'd say it's almost there but few things might need more sources, and a little bit minor correction in the later sections would be great. BRP^ever 11:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BRPever Improved based on all the points Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ツ 08:34, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The page is nowhere near ready imo.

Athens at its height was an important sea power, defeating the Persian fleet at the Battle of Salamis. However, the water was salty and undrinkable. In another form of the legend from Vergil's Georgics, Poseidon instead gave the Athenians the first horse. this part doesn't make sense. A lot of complex words too.
The intro says she had a shield. Does it mean she no longer has it? I think more context is needed there.
Lots of redlinks that need work too.
Athena, as a war goddess, fought with the Greek heroes. The qualities that led to victory were found on the breastplate that Athena wore when she went to war. this barely makes sense.

I think for the content it has, it needs a lot of work. Maybe not now. BRP^ever 12:07, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cactus, I will be doing a full review before the weekend, but doing a fast read through, is there a possibility to simplify the section titles? Griff (talk) 14:49, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ツ 07:08, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Griffinofwales Did you look through the article? Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ツ 00:33, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cactus, my apologies on the delay. Here is my detailed review. Please note that I truly appreciate the time you put into the article. There is a lot of very good writing here, but I did identify some improvements.

Section headings and layout
- There are two sections for titles, Titles and Traits and titles. The T&T section does not seem to discuss either of those topics.
- The titles section seems to cover a lot more than titles. It should be renamed or the other content moved to a more appropriate section.
- Modern representations is under the subsection Titles & traits.. why?
- This article is missing a history section. The article covers the mythology/folklore, but a historical understanding of how Athena came to exist (not in mythology) is missing.
Grammar
- In the lede, She also have has has a shield called Aegis and Athena is the also the protector.
- I will correct the above and some other items.
Missing context
- In Modern representations, the article says the ultimate patriarchal betrayer... who uses her powers to entice men rather than others of her sex, however our article does not discuss her enticing men at all.
- Athena is a natural patron of universities - why? There is no source given or reason provided as to why she is a natural patron.
- protector of the safety of kings - Does Athena protect the kings or does she protect the kings' safety?
- However, the sea water was salty and not suitable for drinking. - Why is this mentioned in the article?
- In Lady of Athens, the article states that Athena gave Athens an olive tree. In the following sentence, it says Cecrops accepted this gift. Is Cecrops = Athens? The article is not clear
- Robert Graves was of the mindset that "Poseidon's attempts to take possession of certain cities are just myths" - Why is this mentioned in the article? There is no clear connection to Athena.
- She also plays a tough, clever and independent role. - Sentence should be simplified, sounds like OR and is not sourced.
- The geographer Pausanias was made known t1hat the temenos had been founded by Aleus. Is Aleus = Athena? The article does not say so.
- A statue of Athena stands in front of the Austrian Parliament Building in Vienna including the Statue of Liberty and Britannia. - I am confused here... is this sentence saying that the Statue of Liberty is in Vienna?
- The various titles of Athena are often seen with various starting rites of Grecian youth, such as the route into citizenship by young men or the route of young women into marriage. - Clarify how the titles are seen in the starting rites.
- In Arcadia, she was understood with the ancient goddess Alea - What does this mean?
- Feminist views on Athena are highly seperated - the views are seperated? How so? Do they conflict with each other?
Simple language
- Rephrase or link words such as wiseness (not a word), epithet, mindset, empowerment,
- Roman copy from the 1st century BC/AD after the Greek original Piraeus Athena of the 4th century BC attributed to Cephisodotos or Euphranor. - This phrase should be simplified, particularly as it is the caption in the infobox
Wikilinks
- Terms such as Gorgon, Pergamon, Panathenaea, Pamboeotia should be wikilinked.
- Why does the full-scale replica of the Parthenon link to Nashville?
Quotes
- a woman who is unapproachable and hold off all sexual desires - this is a quote but is not proper English. Confirm this quote is correct.

Thank you again for your work on this article and apologise again for taking so long to complete the review. If you have any questions, feel free to ask! Griff (talk) 01:40, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Griffinofwales Thanks for the detailed review, I dont understand what you mean by the history section. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ツ 02:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For every mythological god, there are two histories. There is the history of the god as told in folklore/mythology (for example, Athena being born out of the head of Zeus) and then there is the history of how Athena came to be mentioned in stories (who "invented" her). For example, on enWP, see the difference between the historical origins of Apollo and the mythological origins of Apollo. The same is found on the enWP article for Athena, where there is a section for the historical origins of Athena and a section for the mythological origins of Athena. In the simpleWP article, we are missing the historical origins for Athena. Hopefully that made sense. Griff (talk) 02:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Griffinofwales Done with most. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ツ 02:22, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I recommend reading through some of your additions and looking at how to make the words and phrases simpler. Griff (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ツ 08:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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